Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?

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Third3ye

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2017, 08:15:23 PM »
I'm not really here to answer questions, I addressed this already. Provide physical proof or don't bother replying at all. Seeing as how no seems fit to answer it seems I'm probably correct in that you all believe in magical fairy tale bullshit because someone you think is superior to you said so.


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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2017, 08:21:39 PM »
You entered a debate with no intention of answering questions to clarify your position? ???

Physical proof of gravity... Well... Have you ever​ dropped something other than a balloon filled with hydrogen or helium? Did it fall? Let's start there. I have. Lots of stuff. Pens, food, even my phone. They all fell to the ground. I can predict how fast based on equations that align with F=mg. Ballistics work that way too. What say you? What causes that to happen on FE?

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2017, 08:43:24 PM »
No it looks like all you did was give what I didn't ask for, stupid equations that seem to work for your stupid theory.
We are under no obligation to do what the Illuminati Pizza Spy orders!
You ridicule "stupid equations" yet cannot offer a plausible alternative for "why things fall down".

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This isn't proving gravity because again, if it was that easy CERN would not omit gravity,
Once again! Gravitation is not omitted! How many times do I have to say the same thing?
And the "four fundamental forces" are:
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Fundamental Forces




From: Hyperphysics, Fundamental Forces
Yes, number 4 is "Gravity". Gravitation is not omitted! It does not yet fit into the standard modej, but so what?

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it would be much easier to prove physically, thus there would be 1,000's of experiments proving gravity,
Why "would be much easier to prove physically"?
The gravitational force between two lead balls of masses
200 kg and 10 kg at 20 cm centres is 2.97 x 10-6 N or 0.3 mg force.
Try measuring a force of 0.3 mg between such large masses on you kitchen scales!

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but all we get are fail examples like this, bullshit experiments like the vacuum chamber ones or that one piss poor Cavendish one where they assume the motion was caused by gravity and disregarded the other large bodies of mass around the test.
So the self-proclaimed expert on gravitational theory claims!
But, unless you can prove otherwise, gravitation is a perfectly linear effect and so is perfectly additive.
Hence all these other "other large bodies of mass around the test" will not have any effect on the test if they remain fixed in place.
You might note that Cavendish was much smarter than you and used a telescope to take the measurements.

It might be hard for a smart aleck like you to realise, but other people are much better able that you to foresee all these problems.

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How many times do I have to tell you to go away? Your not helping.
How many times do I have to tell you that I am under no obligation to follow your orders!

You start off referring to "CERN" and "the Standard Model" and quoting CERN, The Standard Model then complain when I use one equation! Duh!

No, you wouldn't like equations because they make is so easy to prove that your
Pathetic Illuminati Pepperoni Pizza Planet is hogwash!
Now, you have not done what I asked!
Please explain your "better" theory of "why things fall down", taking care to explain the measured variation of
":o :o the acceleration rate of things falling down :o :o" with latitude and elevation!
PS Personally I think that Gravity is much easier to say than  ;D ;D the acceleration rate of things falling down  ;D ;D.
     but you have this irrational aversion to gravity, so I thought I had better coin an alternative.
     I do hope you appreciate all the effort I have gone to to help out!

Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2017, 08:51:07 PM »
You know since, as it seems to me, most of you people here are deluded to the idea that the Earth is round. Yet your on a Flat Earth Forum...... How stupid... Might as well call this "The Round Earth Society".... Anyways...

So why do you believe in Gravity?
The most magical of bullshit.


Considering:

- its elementary particle, a graviton, has never been found.

- We cannot measure gravity. (My favorite part is when Round Earther's believe it has been because their faith is hella strong.)


SHOW PHYSICAL PROOF OF GRAVITY I don't want your theory or equations, they mean shit.


Even CERN omits it from the Standard Model: explaining how the basic building blocks of matter interact, governed by four fundamental forces.

"So far so good, but...

...it is not time for physicists to call it a day just yet. Even though the Standard Model is currently the best description there is of the subatomic world, it does not explain the complete picture. The theory incorporates only three out of the four fundamental forces, omitting gravity."

Source: http://home.cern/about/physics/standard-model

I wonder why... and I'm sure most of the responses for this will be "Despite its name, the weak force is much stronger than gravity but it is indeed the weakest of the other three." Copied and pasted from the same link. Because that's surely a sound rebuttal.

I'm no physicist, but in answer to your question of why I believe in gravity I can only respond because it is the best theory to describe the large scale (i.e. non quantum) Universe as we observe it. Yes, it is poorly understood compared to the other three forces that are applied within the standard model. Yes, we have not observed it's fundamental particle. But what alternative of any merit has been proposed? You propose density? How does that describe an attractive force, orbits, tides etc.? Density is simply a property of an object with mass that relates its mass to its volume. Please elaborate.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2017, 09:09:12 PM by Zammo »
If I'm a complete Idiot for not believing in your Heliocentric fairytale then so be it.

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2017, 10:40:01 PM »
I'm not really here to answer questions, I addressed this already. Provide physical proof or don't bother replying at all. Seeing as how no seems fit to answer
Why should we bother? If you have no better alternative, I guess Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation provides the best explanation of "things falling down".

Besides, it works! And nothing proposed by the flat earthers explains what we observe.

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it seems I'm probably correct in that you all believe in magical fairy tale bullshit because someone you think is superior to you said so.

If you have to attack my reasons for believing gravitation,  yet can supply no alternative, I guess you have no case.

So, run off and play with the "true believers", maybe that will keep you happy.

Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2017, 11:03:23 PM »
Density is why things fall, wow that was hard.

How doe's Density work in a vacuum chamber, the bowling ball feather drop, in question?
And properties given to ether don't work.

How do we know they didn't switch out the bowling ball for a lighter copy? We don't because it wasn't a constant streamed video. It was scripted nonsense.

Certainly look like they're falling at the same speed in this video (perhaps the feathers a little faster?), and the bowling ball certainly doesn't look like it's been replaced with a lighter copy when it impacts on the landing surface. Reject it and claim conspiracy if it doesn't fit with your preconceived notion though.


« Last Edit: May 30, 2017, 11:10:16 PM by Zammo »
If I'm a complete Idiot for not believing in your Heliocentric fairytale then so be it.

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2017, 11:27:59 PM »
Shud up all you dum GEers! Gravity does'nt exist. This is obvius from the fact that you think you can proove it with equations. Equations can't prove nuthing. They nevar have and nevar will. And so it is obvius from this fact alone that your completly wrong about gravity. Also too, if you look really really close at videos of things falling in a vacum you can see the their is a we tiny littel difference in the timing! From this it is plane that you wud have to be completly stoopid to beleive in gravity!
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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2017, 11:57:08 PM »
Shud up all you dum GEers! Gravity does'nt exist. This is obvius from the fact that you think you can proove it with equations. Equations can't prove nuthing. They nevar have and nevar will. And so it is obvius from this fact alone that your completly wrong about gravity. Also too, if you look really really close at videos of things falling in a vacum you can see the their is a we tiny littel difference in the timing! From this it is plane that you wud have to be completly stoopid to beleive in gravity!

Difference .....air resistance.
Do you think a parachute would work in a vacuum ?

Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2017, 12:07:21 AM »
Again another pointless debate. Flat earthers will deny its existance, why? ... because if there is gravity there is no flat earth.

How did the early universe come into being without gravity?
How did the early suns form without gravity
How did our solar system form without gravity?
What is it that keeps each and everyone of us on the planet?

What is it we are measuring with a gravimeter?
Why do all the results from gravimeter readings confirm gravity?
High readings over dense rocks
Lower readings over less dense rocks
Lower readings up a mountain
Higher readings at ground level
Higher readings at the poles than the equator......

All these are consistent with gravity being a real natural phenomenon as it explains all of the above.

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2017, 12:29:24 AM »
Shud up all you dum GEers! Gravity does'nt exist. This is obvius from the fact that you think you can proove it with equations. Equations can't prove nuthing. They nevar have and nevar will. And so it is obvius from this fact alone that your completly wrong about gravity. Also too, if you look really really close at videos of things falling in a vacum you can see the their is a we tiny littel difference in the timing! From this it is plane that you wud have to be completly stoopid to beleive in gravity!

Difference .....air resistance.
Do you think a parachute would work in a vacuum ?

Hav you evar tried? No you have'nt. So what wud you no about it?
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rabinoz

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2017, 01:10:03 AM »
Density is why things fall, wow that was hard.
Give me physical evidence that "Density is why things fall" as opposed to
  • Gravitation,
  • General Relativity,
  • Universal Acceleration,
  • Dextrorotatory strings of receptive subquarks,
  • Atmospheric stringency,
  • Denpressure,
  • or maybe aether.
Now the first two reduce to the same thing in regions of moderate mass and energy density, but the rest genuinely are theories of various flat earth members of the society.

So your simple "density" has some serious competition, most of which are just as ridiculous!

You do see what I mean about there not being "A Flat Earth Theory". There are really dozens of "Flat Earth Hypotheses".

And just remember that there is a real world out with aircraft that fly real routes all over the earth.
The pilots and route planners have to know the correct distances for all these routes and these distances do not fit any flat earth model we have!

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2017, 01:23:05 AM »
Yep throw it outside of the realm for normal people to measure it so you have to rely on "experts". That's pretty much everything RE relies on. Fucking retards, sorry I'm not passive aggressive like you yuppies.
No, it isn't.
RE relies upon loads of things people can easily watch and measure, like a sunset.

To answer your first question:
Because it has the most evidence. Do you have a better explanation? Feel free to explain how you are smarter than the centuries of scientists who have formulated the standard explanations...... go ahead.

MOST EVIDENCE? LOL, such as? I doubt you can name more than 1 example that involves more than numbers and words, but rather physical proof.
Yes, most evidence, such as satellites in orbits, the way things fall (especially in a vacuum), the Cavendish experiment and similar experiments, and so on.

We have measured gravity.
There are numerous experiments which have measured it, including the value of the gravitational constant.

What makes you think we can't?
Your referring to the Cavendish Experiment? Seriously? That shit is a joke. CERN would not be omitting gravity from the standard model if it was so easy, you people are so daft.
Yes, I am referring to Cavendish as well as numerous variations and some other experiments.
That isn't a joke at all. No one has been able to refute it.

CERN is omitting gravity because the graviton has not been confirmed.
The standard model relies upon particles to carry forces like the photon and Z boson.
As the particle which carries the force of gravity has not been confirmed, it cannot be part of the standard model.

So no, we aren't the daft ones.

Now then, do you have any valid objections or a viable alternative?

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2017, 01:51:20 AM »
Density is why things fall, wow that was hard.
No. It isn't.
Density is a relation between mass and volume.
It does not make things fall.
If you wish to assert it does, explain how or why.
Can you do that?

What causes this dense object to move in a particle direction?

That's all you got for magical gravity, an equation and theory, but no physical proof. Time to move on.
No, we have physical proof, proof which you ignore and dismiss.
You are the one with magic gravity which doesn't even have equation or theory to even start looking for proof.

Lol things do not fall at the same rate in a vacuum, it's not hard to slow down these vacuum chamber tests and see often times that one object indeed falls faster. Even in this
In a perfect vacuum they will. As soon as there is some air it can provide air resistance and slow objects down.
But that doesn't happen in this one. You see them falling at the same rate.



Go ahead and instead source NASA's obvious scripted and non-constant streaming (doctored) video of it.
Care to back up that baseless claim?

Not to mention the vacuum tests suck, they can't really hope to simulate space considering its infinitely expanding and has no container, or so they say.
They can simulate some aspects of space, not all.

Why does density behave like that in "zero-g"? Really? Can you not observe anything? Why does the guy start floating amidst the less dense air against his own will? The answer is already there in the video. Again go away. Where are all these more intelligent and patient people you spoke of?
It behaves like that because everything is falling at the same rate.
Remember, you are the one that needs to provide the explanation.
Why do they fall at the same rate instead of based upon their density?
Why do denser things end up at the bottom?
Why is the bottom the bottom?
How do we know they didn't switch out the bowling ball for a lighter copy? We don't because it wasn't a constant streamed video. It was scripted nonsense.
No, it wasn't scripted nonsense. Yes, it was scripted to some extent, but to show reality, reality you feel a need to hide from.
The easy way to tell is to watch what actually happens.
Notice how the feathers fall in the air filled chamber?
The individual barbs flick up due to the air resistance, and the feathers start tumbling, going sideways instead of falling straight down and just landing.
Now notice how they act in the vacuum example?
They still twitch a bit due to some vibrations and release of tension in the feather, but then they fall straight down, and when they hit the box, they bounce.
Notice what happens with the bowling ball? Basically the same in each, including smashing the box at the bottom.

So I think it is pretty safe to say they haven't done any switch.
The feathers lagging behind is clearly slower, who are you kidding?

Also I don't know, considering gravity is fake and you've yet to prove it, the variables are unknown. It's not cancelling gravity like you hope to claim that's for sure.
No, they are not clearly slower. Go measure yourself.

No, gravity is not fake. But thanks for admitting you have no explanation.
On Earth (or nearby) everything will accelerate at the same rate due to gravity (excluding external influences). This means if you have the plane accelerate at that rate, everything inside will be falling at the same rate, in free fall conditions.
The plane is falling to cancel the effects of gravity.
The force acting upon the various substances match that required for their acceleration.

When it isn't at free fall then the force from gravity no longer matches that for their acceleration and instead you have a reaction force pushing the object up.
When you have 2 immiscible fluids, you effectively have a see-saw situation. Both fluids are being pulled down by gravity and trying to push the other one up (which would be required to displace it and move into the position it had).
The denser object has a greater force per unit volume and thus is capable of overcoming the force of gravity pulling the less dense object down, resulting in the denser fluid moving down and pushing the less dense fluid up.

It works fine with gravity

No it looks like all you did was give what I didn't ask for, stupid equations that seem to work for your stupid theory.
That is exactly what real scientists do. They make models, quantitative models, and then test their predictive capability.
They make up equations and see if they hold.

What they don't do is the crap you are pulling, claiming things fall because density, which makes no sense at all.


it would be much easier to prove physically, thus there would be 1,000's of experiments proving gravity
It is easy to prove. It has been proven, with numerous experiments.
Do you have a single experiment which indicates it is magic density?

or that one piss poor Cavendish one where they assume the motion was caused by gravity and disregarded the other large bodies of mass around the test.
You mean good ones like Cavendish, which eliminates other possible sources meaning it must be gravity or something else based upon the mass, and ignore the much more distant masses elsewhere?

How many times do I have to tell you to go away? Your not helping.
It doesn't matter how many times you tell people to go away. That wont stop them from pointing out all your bullshit.

Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2017, 02:19:11 AM »
Shud up all you dum GEers! Gravity does'nt exist. This is obvius from the fact that you think you can proove it with equations. Equations can't prove nuthing. They nevar have and nevar will. And so it is obvius from this fact alone that your completly wrong about gravity. Also too, if you look really really close at videos of things falling in a vacum you can see the their is a we tiny littel difference in the timing! From this it is plane that you wud have to be completly stoopid to beleive in gravity!

Difference .....air resistance.
Do you think a parachute would work in a vacuum ?

Hav you evar tried? No you have'nt. So what wud you no about it?

I love your 'playing really dumb' persona. Did you have to work at it or did it come natural?

I'm opting for the natural!

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2017, 02:33:39 AM »
Your dum! Please be somewear where I amn't.
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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2017, 02:50:37 AM »
Your dum! Please be somewear where I amn't.

LOL OP was surpassed every way here by globers even in flattardism :D

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2017, 09:11:17 AM »
Your dum! Please be somewear where I amn't.

LOL OP was surpassed every way here by globers even in flattardism :D

It's flattardum!
« Last Edit: May 31, 2017, 09:13:17 AM by Boots »
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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2017, 10:34:11 AM »
Alt and/or troll detected. People are not dumb enough to think density causes objects to fall.
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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2017, 10:38:46 AM »
Alt and/or troll detected. People are not dumb enough to think density causes objects to fall.
Pretty sure there are some who do.

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2017, 12:40:26 PM »
MOST EVIDENCE? LOL, such as? I doubt you can name more than 1 example that involves more than numbers and words, but rather physical proof.

Obvious troll is obvious.

I mean, what have numbers and words ever done for us?? Philosophy, Math, Physics............ all based on numbers and words. Can't trust them obviously!

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2017, 01:54:03 PM »
Alt and/or troll detected. People are not dumb enough to think density causes objects to fall.
Never doubt human stupidity.

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Tessa Yuri

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2017, 05:28:55 PM »
I've conducted experiments on attractive forces between masses, from a skeptical FE perspective.

I have physical evidence I have found for myself. That is why I believe in gravity, even though I may not believe in a round earth.
Tessa believes in the scientific method.
Yuri believes the Earth is a flat disk.
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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2017, 07:44:24 PM »
3rd eye is probably the alt for 'arealhumanbeing'. The amount of times he went on about the pineal gland being the 3rd eye and other rubbish

From the shit being spewed I'd say 3rd eye is nothing more than a 'brown eye'. Gross

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2017, 10:29:36 PM »
3rd eye is probably the alt for 'arealhumanbeing'. The amount of times he went on about the pineal gland being the 3rd eye and other rubbish

From the shit being spewed I'd say 3rd eye is nothing more than a 'brown eye'. Gross

Nope. Though the organ related to the third eye is the pineal gland, that's just basic knowledge regarding chakra's. I am a psychic but I have no relation to whomever that is. Though I could care less if you believed me or not.

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Third3ye

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2017, 10:31:24 PM »
I've conducted experiments on attractive forces between masses, from a skeptical FE perspective.

I have physical evidence I have found for myself. That is why I believe in gravity, even though I may not believe in a round earth.

Love your avatar, Lamprey's are cool as fuck c:

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Third3ye

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2017, 10:53:41 PM »
Anyways I'm done here, have fun circle jerking each other over bullshit and not answering the OP properly. You have all these physical proof's but are unable to source any.

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Tessa Yuri

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2017, 11:07:19 PM »
I've conducted experiments on attractive forces between masses, from a skeptical FE perspective.

I have physical evidence I have found for myself. That is why I believe in gravity, even though I may not believe in a round earth.

Love your avatar, Lamprey's are cool as fuck c:

Lampreys are sick.
Tessa believes in the scientific method.
Yuri believes the Earth is a flat disk.
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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #57 on: June 01, 2017, 02:16:10 AM »
Nope. Though the organ related to the third eye is the pineal gland, that's just basic knowledge regarding chakra's.
You mean basic delusional bullshit?
It isn't knowledge.

Anyways I'm done here, have fun circle jerking each other over bullshit and not answering the OP properly. You have all these physical proof's but are unable to source any.

GG
Except we did address it properly.
It seemed all you wanted was a circle jerk and no real objections to your baseless nonsense.

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Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2017, 03:08:05 AM »
Anyways I'm done here, have fun circle jerking each other over bullshit and not answering the OP properly. You have all these physical proof's but are unable to source any.

GG

You ask for Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?.

In, this post Tessa Yuri testifies to having "conducted experiments on attractive forces between masses".
I've conducted experiments on attractive forces between masses, from a skeptical FE perspective.

I have physical evidence I have found for myself. That is why I believe in gravity, even though I may not believe in a round earth.

Then claiming "That is why I believe in gravity."

Then to you run off in a huff, good riddance. Bye bye, Flat Earth Troll!

Re: Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?
« Reply #59 on: June 01, 2017, 03:51:47 AM »
Anyways I'm done here, have fun circle jerking each other over bullshit and not answering the OP properly. You have all these physical proof's but are unable to source any.

GG

Devastating news. You offered such profound insight. "Density". Was that in reference to your cerebral function?
If I'm a complete Idiot for not believing in your Heliocentric fairytale then so be it.