Why do you believe in the theory of Gravity?

Anyways I'm done here, have fun circle jerking each other over bullshit and not answering the OP properly. You have all these physical proof's but are unable to source any.

GG

Damn, you really showed us 

Don't forget to take some homeopathic medicine before you center your chakras or read the future!

Quote from: Third3ye on May 31, 2017, 10:53:41 PM

Anyways I'm done here, have fun circle jerking each other over bullshit and not answering the OP properly. You have all these physical proof's but are unable to source any.

GG

Damn, you really showed us 

Don't forget to take some homeopathic medicine before you center your chakras or read the future!

Lol and don't forget to die of cancer because you place all your trust in "experts" that were never educated in proper nutrition, prevention of disease, or alternative medicine because it's not patentable or profitable.

Pathetic.

Quote from: Dog on June 01, 2017, 03:08:35 PM

Quote from: Third3ye on May 31, 2017, 10:53:41 PM

Anyways I'm done here, have fun circle jerking each other over bullshit and not answering the OP properly. You have all these physical proof's but are unable to source any.

GG

Damn, you really showed us 

Don't forget to take some homeopathic medicine before you center your chakras or read the future!

Lol and don't forget to die of cancer because you place all your trust in "experts" that were never educated in proper nutrition, prevention of disease, or alternative medicine because it's not patentable or profitable.

Pathetic.

No, they have been educated in proper nutrition and prevention of disease. They haven't been in alternative medicine because it either has no evidence that it works or there is evidence that it doesn't work.

Alternative medicine is very profitable. You sell worthless crap for lots of money and it doesn't even heal the people so you can keep selling it to them.
With real medicine, it is more costly to make, and when they take it they get better and then no longer need it.

Quote from: Dog on June 01, 2017, 03:08:35 PM

Quote from: Third3ye on May 31, 2017, 10:53:41 PM

Anyways I'm done here, have fun circle jerking each other over bullshit and not answering the OP properly. You have all these physical proof's but are unable to source any.

GG

Damn, you really showed us 

Don't forget to take some homeopathic medicine before you center your chakras or read the future!

Lol and don't forget to die of cancer because you place all your trust in "experts" that were never educated in proper nutrition, prevention of disease, or alternative medicine because it's not patentable or profitable.

Pathetic.

Chakras, psychic, flat earth, alternative medicine........... let me guess, you believe in Reiki healing and think vaccines cause autism as well.
So edgey.

Quote from: Dog on June 01, 2017, 03:08:35 PM

Quote from: Third3ye on May 31, 2017, 10:53:41 PM

Anyways I'm done here, have fun circle jerking each other over bullshit and not answering the OP properly. You have all these physical proof's but are unable to source any.

GG

Damn, you really showed us 

Don't forget to take some homeopathic medicine before you center your chakras or read the future!

Lol and don't forget to die of cancer because you place all your trust in "experts" that were never educated in proper nutrition, prevention of disease, or alternative medicine because it's not patentable or profitable.

Pathetic.

Yeah, there's no profit in alternative medicine....

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/alternative-medicine-is-a-34-billion-industry-but-only-one-third-of-the-treatments-have-been-tested-879411/

"Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work?.....Medicine." Tim Minchin.

Mate if you had a treatable cancer would you rather put your faith in a doctor who will likely cure you or

Much on apricot kernels and graviola because you read on the net they cure cancer

Option 1 near guarantees you a long life

Option 2 near guarantees you the cancer progresses to the point it kills you

The only time I would go 'all in' for alternative medicine is if the doctors said "the cancer was untreatable, but spend the rest of your life savings on this drug that will not only destroy your quality of life but only extend it by a few months at best".

Everything has their place, but shutting out doctors advice because you think there is a huge conspiracy in the medical industry is just stupid

IlluminatiPizzaBoy is a troll. Anyone who would offer a generalization that medical doctors aren't trained in proper nutrition and disease prevention is either lying or has absolutely no idea WTF they are even saying.

Mate if you had a treatable cancer would you rather put your faith in a doctor who will likely cure you or

Much on apricot kernels and graviola because you read on the net they cure cancer

Option 1 near guarantees you a long life

I did (still have) "a treatable cancer". Found 10 years ago and I am still here and look like having "normal life expectancy".

My 5 year younger brother, more or less a "health" nut, didn't despite warnings.

Option 2 near guarantees you the cancer progresses to the point it kills you

My brother's cancer now has riddled his bones and looks like having 18 months if he's "lucky".
It brings me to tears thinking about and wondering if 10 years ago I could have helped him, but I honestly believ that I did all I could.
One cannot live another's life for them.
He realises that now, though I cannot say "I told you so". I just have to more or less bottle it up.

The only time I would go 'all in' for alternative medicine is if the doctors said "the cancer was untreatable, but spend the rest of your life savings on this drug that will not only destroy your quality of life but only extend it by a few months at best".

I too believe that alternative treatments can help symptoms and the "Placebo effect" is genuine and effective at times.

Everything has their place, but shutting out doctors advice because you think there is a huge conspiracy in the medical industry is just stupid

Mate if you had a treatable cancer would you rather put your faith in a doctor who will likely cure you or

Much on apricot kernels and graviola because you read on the net they cure cancer

Option 1 near guarantees you a long life

Option 2 near guarantees you the cancer progresses to the point it kills you

The only time I would go 'all in' for alternative medicine is if the doctors said "the cancer was untreatable, but spend the rest of your life savings on this drug that will not only destroy your quality of life but only extend it by a few months at best".

Everything has their place, but shutting out doctors advice because you think there is a huge conspiracy in the medical industry is just stupid

Especially considering the fructose in fruits will help the cancer progress.

The theory behind apricot kernels is interesting. But you can just as sure die from eating them because they contain cyanide. Which health nuts say is unique (vitamin b17) and is only released in the presence of cancer cells.

If you import the kernels they can and likely will be seized by customs (which feeds I to conspiracy theories). But you can buy whole apricots and extract the kerneld yourself. I've eaten 1, hardly enough to do any damage, except to your taste buds because it is so hideously bitter. Probably a good sign it's not something your body wants to eat!

The theory behind apricot kernels is interesting. But you can just as sure have fun eating them because they contain cyanide. Which health nuts say is unique (vitamin b17) and is only released in the presence of cancer cells.

If you import the kernels they can and likely will be seized by customs (which feeds I to conspiracy theories). But you can buy whole apricots and extract the kerneld yourself. I've eaten 1, hardly enough to do any damage, except to your taste buds because it is so hideously bitter. Probably a good sign it's not something your body wants to eat!

Sale of apricot kernels as a cancer cure was banned in Australia in late 2015. The sheer stupidity of ingesting a known toxin with a very clearly understood mechanism of toxicity (histotoxic hypoxia through inhibition of cytochrome c oxidase in mitochondria which disrupts the electron transport chain and therefore prevents aerobic production of ATP) boggles the mind. Ignoring the significant fact that people with cancer should be seeking effective treatment at the earliest opportunity, there is a good argument that any alternative medicine quacks selling this "treatment" should have been charged with attempted manslaughter.

To be fair, that is a simple cancer "cure".
You have a nice toxin which resembles sugar (or are a form of sugar).
The cancer, a rapidly growing cell, will be taking in lots of sugar and thus take in lots of these toxins which resemble sugar.
It then gets killed by this toxin.

The idea is to have more of the cancer killed than healthy cells.
Unfortunately, your brain also needs lots of sugar.
Thus a better option is to target rapidly dividing cells such as by using DNA intercalators which disrupt the DNA replication process (and thus can also cause cancer).

And thus it is better for a somewhat different path which is what most research is focused on now.

I've got a great idea, if you incinerate a person, all the cancer cells will die!

That's the whole point. It's not hard to kill cancer cells, it's hard to ONLY kill cancer cells.

To be fair, that is a simple cancer "cure".
You have a nice toxin which resembles sugar (or are a form of sugar).
The cancer, a rapidly growing cell, will be taking in lots of sugar and thus take in lots of these toxins which resemble sugar.
It then gets killed by this toxin.

The idea is to have more of the cancer killed than healthy cells.
Unfortunately, your brain also needs lots of sugar.
Thus a better option is to target rapidly dividing cells such as by using DNA intercalators which disrupt the DNA replication process (and thus can also cause cancer).

And thus it is better for a somewhat different path which is what most research is focused on now.

The brain can function quite well on ketone fuel.

When I diet I usually do a ketogenic and severe calorie restriction. (arthritis in hip makes aerobics difficult - easier to just eat less). The calorie restriction is easy because no carbs = no appetite and your body burns it's existing fat for fuel rather than needing an continuous external supply

However you do need to make sure you eat fibre (chia seeds or psyliium husk is easy), supplement on a comprehensive multi vitamin/mineral and calcium supplement as well as supplement on electrolytes like potassium (but not too much!) Salt is easy to add on things. Protein powders mixed in plain Greek yoghurt with chia seeds fills you up for quite some time. However protein powder must be unflavoured. Artificial sweeteners while not a sugar can still stimulate your appetite.

If I was riddled with an incurable cancer, that's how I would eat. As I'd have a death sentence I don't see what alternative treatments would harm. Certainly better than spending your families inheritance you worked for decades to give them a leg up in life just to prolong your misery and have them watch as you turn into a husk.

I think it's funny when they discover a new treatment for cancer. 'this plant kills cancer cells in this Petri dish'. Great! Bleach works just as good too!

Quote from: JackBlack on June 02, 2017, 05:20:59 PM

To be fair, that is a simple cancer "cure".
You have a nice toxin which resembles sugar (or are a form of sugar).
The cancer, a rapidly growing cell, will be taking in lots of sugar and thus take in lots of these toxins which resemble sugar.
It then gets killed by this toxin.

The idea is to have more of the cancer killed than healthy cells.
Unfortunately, your brain also needs lots of sugar.
Thus a better option is to target rapidly dividing cells such as by using DNA intercalators which disrupt the DNA replication process (and thus can also cause cancer).

And thus it is better for a somewhat different path which is what most research is focused on now.

The brain can function quite well on ketone fuel.

When I diet I usually do a ketogenic and severe calorie restriction. (arthritis in hip makes aerobics difficult - easier to just eat less). The calorie restriction is easy because no carbs = no appetite and your body burns it's existing fat for fuel rather than needing an continuous external supply.

Although ketones can supplement glucose, the brain is still glucose dependent. Even in starvation, blood glucose levels need to remain above a minimal level to maintain neuronal function.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3900881/#!po=7.58929

The body has ways to convert protein to glucose so eating a diet that is devoid of carbs and sugars isn't normally a problem. I certainly survived more than a month where my carb intake was probably less than 10g a day and added sugars was 0. By the end I certainly didn't feel any different. (apart from awesome weight loss). Many people go much longer if not indefinitely this way (but carbs probably higher as you can't sustain a calorie deficit forever)

And then you run into the same problem, you have a bunch of glucose powering your brain which can also power the cancer.

The body has ways to convert protein to glucose so eating a diet that is devoid of carbs and sugars isn't normally a problem. I certainly survived more than a month where my carb intake was probably less than 10g a day and added sugars was 0. By the end I certainly didn't feel any different. (apart from awesome weight loss). Many people go much longer if not indefinitely this way (but carbs probably higher as you can't sustain a calorie deficit forever)

The process is called gluconeogenesis (new glucose production), and underlies the starvation state and ketotic diets. Preferential metabolism of broken down fats and proteins by most of the bodies cells allows rapid weight loss with the low carb diets you mention. Although the fat loss can be impressive, the protein breakdown can decondition muscles.

And then you run into the same problem, you have a bunch of glucose powering your brain which can also power the cancer.

There's no getting around this, which is why "magic bullet" cancer treatments are aimed at honing in on specific cancer receptors to deliver toxins to cancer cells only. Current chemotherapeutic regimens, although improving in many areas, still have some pretty nasty side effects as a result of lack of specificity for cancer cells.

Quote from: Shifter on June 03, 2017, 06:46:19 AM

The body has ways to convert protein to glucose so eating a diet that is devoid of carbs and sugars isn't normally a problem. I certainly survived more than a month where my carb intake was probably less than 10g a day and added sugars was 0. By the end I certainly didn't feel any different. (apart from awesome weight loss). Many people go much longer if not indefinitely this way (but carbs probably higher as you can't sustain a calorie deficit forever)

The process is called gluconeogenesis (new glucose production), and underlies the starvation state and ketotic diets. Preferential metabolism of broken down fats and proteins by most of the bodies cells allows rapid weight loss with the low carb diets you mention. Although the fat loss can be impressive, the protein breakdown can decondition muscles.

It would take an extended period of time and inadequate protein in the diet to get to the point your body breaks down its muscles for energy. I doubt it would do this in the presence of an abundance of fat it could utilise and an adequate intake of protein a day.

Half wits that do a month long 'water fasts'  would certainly be at risk of atrophy, as well as flushing out their bodies electrolytes which I cant see is helpful for muscles which depend on them

Quote from: Zammo on June 03, 2017, 03:43:13 PM

Quote from: Shifter on June 03, 2017, 06:46:19 AM

The body has ways to convert protein to glucose so eating a diet that is devoid of carbs and sugars isn't normally a problem. I certainly survived more than a month where my carb intake was probably less than 10g a day and added sugars was 0. By the end I certainly didn't feel any different. (apart from awesome weight loss). Many people go much longer if not indefinitely this way (but carbs probably higher as you can't sustain a calorie deficit forever)

The process is called gluconeogenesis (new glucose production), and underlies the starvation state and ketotic diets. Preferential metabolism of broken down fats and proteins by most of the bodies cells allows rapid weight loss with the low carb diets you mention. Although the fat loss can be impressive, the protein breakdown can decondition muscles.

It would take an extended period of time and inadequate protein in the diet to get to the point your body breaks down its muscles for energy. I doubt it would do this in the presence of an abundance of fat it could utilise and an adequate intake of protein a day.

Half wits that do a month long 'water fasts'  would certainly be at risk of atrophy, as well as flushing out their bodies electrolytes which I cant see is helpful for muscles which depend on them

Drinking too much water can be life threatening so don't do it. A friend of mine almost died two years ago when, due to the combination of a virus and drinking exesive amounts of water, her sodium levels plummeted resulting in pressure on her brain confusion and collapse. She was put into an induced comma for over a week so that her sodiuum levels could be slowly increased to more normal levels. It took her over nine months to fully recover and get back to normal.