Coca-Cola: Try to be less white

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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2021, 02:46:36 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/11/amanda-gorman-white-translator-spain/

A Catalan translator has been removed from a job translating the poem by National Youth Poet Laureate Amanda Gorman that she presented at President Biden’s inauguration because, as a White man, he did not fit the “profile,” AFP reported.

The move by Barcelona publisher Univers marks the second instance of controversy in Europe around the choice of a White person being chosen to translate “The Hill We Climb” by Gorman, who is Black, and at 23 became the youngest inaugural poet in U.S. history.

Translator Victor Obiols told AFP on Wednesday that Univers had commissioned him last month to translate Gorman’s work into Catalan, a language spoken in Spain and Andorra. After he completed the job, the publishing house informed him he “was not the right person,” he said.

“They told me that I am not suitable to translate it,” Obiols told AFP. “They did not question my abilities, but they were looking for a different profile, which had to be a woman, young, activist and preferably Black.”

“It is a very complicated subject that cannot be treated with frivolity,” he continued. “But if I cannot translate a poet because she is a woman, young, Black, an American of the 21st century, neither can I translate Homer because I am not a Greek of the eighth century BC. Or could not have translated Shakespeare because I am not a 16th-century Englishman.”

Obiols said he would still be paid for his work. Univers did not respond immediately to a request for comment.

Earlier this month, an author quit a job translating Gorman’s poem into Dutch following objections to their appointment by Dutch publisher Meulenhoff because they were not Black.

Marieke Lucas Rijneveld, a 29-year-old winner of the 2020 International Booker Prize, said they were thrilled to be chosen because “at a time of increasing polarization, Amanda Gorman shows in her young voice the power of spoken word, the power of reconciliation, the power of someone who looks to the future instead of looking down,” the Guardian reported.

But some critics questioned why the opportunity had not gone to a translator with experiences more similar to Gorman’s, given that the craft is also an act of interpretation.

“Isn’t it — to say the least — a missed opportunity?” Dutch journalist and activist Janice Deul wrote in a piece in de Volkskrant, according to the Guardian. “They are White, nonbinary, have no experience in this field, but according to Meulenhoff are still the ‘dream translator’?”

Deul asked why instead a “spoken-word artist, young, female and unapologetically Black” — like Gorman — was not commissioned.

“I’m not saying a Black person can’t translate White work, and vice versa,” Deul told the BBC. “But not this specific poem of this specific orator in this Black Lives Matter area, that’s the whole issue.”

Quinsy Gario, a Black Dutch spoken word artist, agreed. “The Dutch language needs to have a conduit, a person that’s been able to push to the same extent as Amanda Gorman did, and connect to a local understanding of what those words mean, and how those words can resonate,” Gario told the BBC.

Meulenhoff said Gorman herself had approved Rijneveld’s appointment, though no Dutch Black spoken word poets were among the options, according to the BBC.

After Rijneveld’s resignation, the publishing house’s general director, Maaike le Noble, said the company wanted “to learn from this by talking and we will walk a different path with the new insights,” according to the Guardian. “We will be looking for a team to work with to bring Amanda’s words and message of hope and inspiration into translation as well as possible and in her spirit,” he said.

Rijneveld said in a statement on Twitter that they were “shocked by the uproar surrounding my involvement.”

“I had happily devoted myself to translating Amanda’s work, seeing it as the greatest task to keep her strength, tone and style,” they continued, according to the Guardian’s translation. “However, I realize that I am in a position to think and feel that way, where many are not. I still wish that her ideas reach as many readers as possible and open hearts.”



Dear people of Europe, I'm sorry this insanity is contagious.

I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2021, 10:24:37 PM »
That's funny. In my country people would literally just laugh in your face if you said one can't translate a text unless the translator and writer are the same skin color.
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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2021, 10:31:51 PM »
Fucking hell....

This is way too far. 
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« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2021, 11:06:15 PM »
The same color!  Of course!  Why didn't I think of that.  These guys are total pros.
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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2021, 11:17:32 PM »
I'm surprised that Oreo's has not been attacked.   ::)                                                                                                                                         

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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2021, 06:51:21 AM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
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« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2021, 07:40:42 AM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
See, this is a very misconception about Oreos.  It's not about interracial marriage, but is instead a metaphor of a human being.  A human which has dark skin but is forced to take on a white personality, or interiorly white if you will.  Thus, it's inherently racist because dark skinned people should be able to present as a dark skinned person in their personality as well.
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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2021, 08:07:08 AM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
See, this is a very misconception about Oreos.  It's not about interracial marriage, but is instead a metaphor of a human being.  A human which has dark skin but is forced to take on a white personality, or interiorly white if you will.  Thus, it's inherently racist because dark skinned people should be able to present as a dark skinned person in their personality as well.

You have deconstructed the Oreo!
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2021, 11:48:43 AM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
See, this is a very misconception about Oreos.  It's not about interracial marriage, but is instead a metaphor of a human being.  A human which has dark skin but is forced to take on a white personality, or interiorly white if you will.  Thus, it's inherently racist because dark skinned people should be able to present as a dark skinned person in their personality as well.

Wait, shouldn't it be the other way around?  The black outside is what you present to others and you hide your inner white self?

I think Oreos describe white kids from the suburbs who dress and talk like inner city gang-bangers at the local Starbucks.  Then go home to study for their SAT.

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« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2021, 11:52:32 AM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
See, this is a very misconception about Oreos.  It's not about interracial marriage, but is instead a metaphor of a human being.  A human which has dark skin but is forced to take on a white personality, or interiorly white if you will.  Thus, it's inherently racist because dark skinned people should be able to present as a dark skinned person in their personality as well.

Wait, shouldn't it be the other way around?  The black outside is what you present to others and you hide your inner white self?

So Oreos is like white people doing black face then?

Cancel the Oreos!


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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2021, 12:48:58 PM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
See, this is a very misconception about Oreos.  It's not about interracial marriage, but is instead a metaphor of a human being.  A human which has dark skin but is forced to take on a white personality, or interiorly white if you will.  Thus, it's inherently racist because dark skinned people should be able to present as a dark skinned person in their personality as well.

Wait, shouldn't it be the other way around?  The black outside is what you present to others and you hide your inner white self?

I think Oreos describe white kids from the suburbs who dress and talk like inner city gang-bangers at the local Starbucks.  Then go home to study for their SAT.
No no no, it's more like the Urkel stereotype.  Or a black person who isn't "black enough".  They are called Oreos.  The white gang-banger kids are the reverse or the Chocolate Oreos.
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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2021, 12:57:16 PM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
See, this is a very misconception about Oreos.  It's not about interracial marriage, but is instead a metaphor of a human being.  A human which has dark skin but is forced to take on a white personality, or interiorly white if you will.  Thus, it's inherently racist because dark skinned people should be able to present as a dark skinned person in their personality as well.

Wait, shouldn't it be the other way around?  The black outside is what you present to others and you hide your inner white self?

I think Oreos describe white kids from the suburbs who dress and talk like inner city gang-bangers at the local Starbucks.  Then go home to study for their SAT.
No no no, it's more like the Urkel stereotype.  Or a black person who isn't "black enough".  They are called Oreos.  The white gang-banger kids are the reverse or the Chocolate Oreos.

I don't know who this represents but I bet they need therapy.


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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2021, 01:08:18 PM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
See, this is a very misconception about Oreos.  It's not about interracial marriage, but is instead a metaphor of a human being.  A human which has dark skin but is forced to take on a white personality, or interiorly white if you will.  Thus, it's inherently racist because dark skinned people should be able to present as a dark skinned person in their personality as well.

Wait, shouldn't it be the other way around?  The black outside is what you present to others and you hide your inner white self?

I think Oreos describe white kids from the suburbs who dress and talk like inner city gang-bangers at the local Starbucks.  Then go home to study for their SAT.
No no no, it's more like the Urkel stereotype.  Or a black person who isn't "black enough".  They are called Oreos.  The white gang-banger kids are the reverse or the Chocolate Oreos.

I don't know who this represents but I bet they need therapy.


That would be RDJ in Tropic Thunder.
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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2021, 01:23:05 PM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
See, this is a very misconception about Oreos.  It's not about interracial marriage, but is instead a metaphor of a human being.  A human which has dark skin but is forced to take on a white personality, or interiorly white if you will.  Thus, it's inherently racist because dark skinned people should be able to present as a dark skinned person in their personality as well.

You have deconstructed the Oreo!

That's the traditional way to eat Oreos, yes.

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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2021, 09:58:22 PM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
See, this is a very misconception about Oreos.  It's not about interracial marriage, but is instead a metaphor of a human being.  A human which has dark skin but is forced to take on a white personality, or interiorly white if you will.  Thus, it's inherently racist because dark skinned people should be able to present as a dark skinned person in their personality as well.

You have deconstructed the Oreo!

That's the traditional way to eat Oreos, yes.

So you seperate the black from the white and then destroy the black?
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« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2021, 04:30:18 AM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
See, this is a very misconception about Oreos.  It's not about interracial marriage, but is instead a metaphor of a human being.  A human which has dark skin but is forced to take on a white personality, or interiorly white if you will.  Thus, it's inherently racist because dark skinned people should be able to present as a dark skinned person in their personality as well.

You have deconstructed the Oreo!

That's the traditional way to eat Oreos, yes.

So you seperate the black from the white and then destroy the black?

Not before I show them what White really is by dunking them in milk.

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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2021, 06:58:50 AM »
Racist confirmed.
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Re: Coca-Cola: Try to be less white
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2021, 09:25:08 AM »
Oreos are fine.  They promote interracial marriage.  Vanilla ice cream, however, is inherently racist and must be banned.
See, this is a very misconception about Oreos.  It's not about interracial marriage, but is instead a metaphor of a human being.  A human which has dark skin but is forced to take on a white personality, or interiorly white if you will.  Thus, it's inherently racist because dark skinned people should be able to present as a dark skinned person in their personality as well.

You have deconstructed the Oreo!

That's the traditional way to eat Oreos, yes.

So you seperate the black from the white and then destroy the black?

Not before I show them what White really is by dunking them in milk.

I have changed my mind on oreos. We have an allegory here about how bring black just isn't good enough for racist America.

Paired with a white center. Coated with white fudge. Doused in white milk and finally consumed by the whitest symbol of corporate America and greed, Santa Claus.
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« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2021, 05:42:43 AM »
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