Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!

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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2017, 10:08:44 AM »

The Russian guy claims those trees were Silicon base and not Carbon base living things!
He also claims another race came to earth and somehow cut those giant trees; mining for Silicon and gem stones formed by those trees!

I also noticed this subject was talked about in this Form last year - in a sarcastic way!

There was no sarcasm, myself and John Davies (the most eminent flat earth scientist) simply extended the hypothesis: those trees were chopped down by aliens using giant laser space axes.  And sometimes giant space chainsaws.

If not, how the fuck would these aliens have chopped down these giant silicon trees?    It's just basic logic.  Anyone telling you any different is a brainwashed shill.  Are you a brainwashed shill, Hannibaal?

After reading your reply, I searched more and found out that the subject was opened & discussed in more than one thread - the ones I didn't notice at first!

And I did mention in one of the quotes that the aliens could've used laser cutting machines, because some of those mountain tops had pretty flat, sharp cuts!

Using similar technology to cut the top of those mountains in Nazca.



And NO - I'm not a brainwashed shill, either!

How do you know they cut the top of a mountain?
It could be just flatted dirt.

Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2017, 10:09:14 AM »
But, does this mountain "Devil's Tower" look like was formed due to volcanic eruptions?



Can volcanic eruptions cause this kind of formation?

Yes, but Devil's Tower is intrusive, not extrusive. That means those basalt columns formed while the magma was still underground, not from erupted lava, although columns like that do exist in extruded basalt as well.

Devil's tower is the remnant of a volcanic neck; it stands above the topography because the more-easily eroded rock that enclosed it as it cooled has eroded away, leaving the more resistant rock behind as the tower.

Either that, or it's a basaltic tree stump (topic). ;)

I'm not saying the guy is 100% correct - he could be!
But, I'd rather believe it's a basaltic tree stump than to believe it's cooled down lava and miraculously formed perfect hexagonal shapes.

I bet you if flat earthers claimed that tower was caused by lava, round heads would've made a big fuss out of it and it was all over the news!!!  ;D


Even my round-head daughter said lava could never form something so perfect! > for the first time I believe her...  ;D
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2017, 10:26:29 AM »

Trees are made of same material as earth crust!

But, does this mountain "Devil's Tower" look like was formed due to volcanic eruptions?



Can volcanic eruptions cause this kind of formation?


A cross-section of the stem of flax:





No, trees aren't made of the same material as the Earth's crust. There are thousands of chemicals that get involved in each cell of a tree and basically any other lifeforms.
Some are classified as proteins, some as enzymes, some as sugars and there is the universal solvent and transporter : water.

As for your hexagonal rocks
http://www.geologyin.com/2015/10/mystery-solved-how-these-rocks-got.html

Hey Coffeebean - I think you're still not brewed well - wake up!

"Almost 98% (by weight) of a tree is made up of six elements: carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus and sulfur."   https://projects.ncsu.edu/project/treesofstrength/treefact.htm

That looks to me exactly what earth crust is made off, as well! Doesn't it?
It doesn't say enzymes anywhere, does it?

And as for the mystery solve link you posted - I wish you didn't, unless you want to call bullshit a scientific facts!
"The big geological mystery: Why that particular shape? Using the same sort of computer simulations engineers employ to analyze stresses in bridges and aircraft parts, researchers analyzed the stresses within a thick slab of lava as it solidified.

They found that as the material at the surface cooled, it shrank more quickly than the underlying lava, which was still warm. That shrinkage led to a random pattern of cracks that typically intersected at 90° angles."


Please can anyone convince me how this magma form perfect hexagonal shapes!





Apparently, no one can convince you, therefore, this is something you need to do for yourself, in order to convince yourself either through computer simulation or duplicate the conditions that make such columns at your place of residence or work.

I suggest that you read again what you wrote.
I also recommend reading about biochemistry if you are interested.

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"Almost 98% (by weight) of a tree is made up of six elements: carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus and sulfur."   https://projects.ncsu.edu/project/treesofstrength/treefact.htm

That looks to me exactly what earth crust is made off, as well! Doesn't it?
It doesn't say enzymes anywhere, does it?

Did you notice the word by weight?
This is a list of constituent elements present in a tree. However, those atoms are arranged to form compounds.
A tree has a lot of cellulose
http://www.machinedesign.com/materials/cellulose-nanocrystals-plant-life-could-lead-stronger-materials

In oak bark, you can find Quercitannic acid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercitannic_acid

As for enzymes in plants, yes, plants do have enzymes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amylase
“Both α-amylase and β-amylase are present in seeds; β-amylase is present in an inactive form prior to germination, whereas α-amylase and proteases appear once germination has begun”


Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2017, 10:52:59 AM »

The Russian guy claims those trees were Silicon base and not Carbon base living things!
He also claims another race came to earth and somehow cut those giant trees; mining for Silicon and gem stones formed by those trees!

I also noticed this subject was talked about in this Form last year - in a sarcastic way!

There was no sarcasm, myself and John Davies (the most eminent flat earth scientist) simply extended the hypothesis: those trees were chopped down by aliens using giant laser space axes.  And sometimes giant space chainsaws.

If not, how the fuck would these aliens have chopped down these giant silicon trees?    It's just basic logic.  Anyone telling you any different is a brainwashed shill.  Are you a brainwashed shill, Hannibaal?

After reading your reply, I searched more and found out that the subject was opened & discussed in more than one thread - the ones I didn't notice at first!

And I did mention in one of the quotes that the aliens could've used laser cutting machines, because some of those mountain tops had pretty flat, sharp cuts!

Using similar technology to cut the top of those mountains in Nazca.



And NO - I'm not a brainwashed shill, either!

How do you know they cut the top of a mountain?
It could be just flatted dirt.

Well, something must've flattened that dirt!








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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2017, 11:03:09 AM »

Did you notice the word by weight?
This is a list of constituent elements present in a tree. However, those atoms are arranged to form compounds.
A tree has a lot of cellulose
http://www.machinedesign.com/materials/cellulose-nanocrystals-plant-life-could-lead-stronger-materials

In oak bark, you can find Quercitannic acid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercitannic_acid

As for enzymes in plants, yes, plants do have enzymes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amylase
“Both α-amylase and β-amylase are present in seeds; β-amylase is present in an inactive form prior to germination, whereas α-amylase and proteases appear once germination has begun”

I wasn't talking about atom arrangement or enzymes - I was talking about the basic elements us, animals and plants are made of!

So, if Carbon can form life, why can't Silicon > considering the atmospheric composition might've been different in prehistoric eras?
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2017, 11:07:33 AM »
But, does this mountain "Devil's Tower" look like was formed due to volcanic eruptions?



Can volcanic eruptions cause this kind of formation?

Yes, but Devil's Tower is intrusive, not extrusive. That means those basalt columns formed while the magma was still underground, not from erupted lava, although columns like that do exist in extruded basalt as well.

Devil's tower is the remnant of a volcanic neck; it stands above the topography because the more-easily eroded rock that enclosed it as it cooled has eroded away, leaving the more resistant rock behind as the tower.

Either that, or it's a basaltic tree stump (topic). ;)

I'm not saying the guy is 100% correct - he could be!
But, I'd rather believe it's a basaltic tree stump than to believe it's cooled down lava and miraculously formed perfect hexagonal shapes.

I bet you if flat earthers claimed that tower was caused by lava, round heads would've made a big fuss out of it and it was all over the news!!!  ;D


Even my round-head daughter said lava could never form something so perfect! > for the first time I believe her...  ;D

How do you feel about when salt crystallises.....do you imagine trees are involved in that too?

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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2017, 11:25:58 AM »

How do you feel about when salt crystallises.....do you imagine trees are involved in that too?

Water can do pretty things when it cools in the right conditions too:


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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2017, 11:26:45 AM »

Please can anyone convince me how this magma form perfect hexagonal shapes!


http://www.iflscience.com/environment/why-columnar-basalt-almost-always-hexagonal/

https://www.wired.com/2015/02/volcanoes-create-towering-columns-rock/

https://phys.org/news/2015-10-riddle-lava-hexagons.html

So, just because some scientists said lava caused those hexagonal shapes to form, 50 million years ago, we should just believe them?
Maybe they were wrong & it wasn't lava, or maybe the computer simulation was simply programmed to give the scientists what they really wanted to believe!

I thought you had a real proof to show us!

If Silicon-base life had really existed then, then expect to see wonders in natural formations that do not conflict with the laws of physics - like your scientists' explanation - "lava can form perfect hexagonal shapes"!

I would've accepted a "don't know" or "not sure" answer from them better than that non-sense crap!
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2017, 11:35:04 AM »

Please can anyone convince me how this magma form perfect hexagonal shapes!


http://www.iflscience.com/environment/why-columnar-basalt-almost-always-hexagonal/

https://www.wired.com/2015/02/volcanoes-create-towering-columns-rock/

https://phys.org/news/2015-10-riddle-lava-hexagons.html

So, just because some scientists said lava caused those hexagonal shapes to form, 50 million years ago, we should just believe them?
Maybe they were wrong & it wasn't lava, or maybe the computer simulation was simply programmed to give the scientists what they really wanted to believe!

I thought you had a real proof to show us!

If Silicon-base life had really existed then, then expect to see wonders in natural formations that do not conflict with the laws of physics - like your scientists' explanation - "lava can form perfect hexagonal shapes"!

I would've accepted a "don't know" or "not sure" answer from them better than that non-sense crap!
jammed scientific heads are really

If you weren't interested in the answer why did you ask the question?

Basaltic lava, cooling in the right conditions, contracts in a way that forms polygons - often hexagons, sometimes not, sometimes uniform, sometimes not. This is backed up scientific research.

Your explanation is giant trees based on erm, some made up shit on youtube.
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2017, 11:40:09 AM »
But, does this mountain "Devil's Tower" look like was formed due to volcanic eruptions?



Can volcanic eruptions cause this kind of formation?

Yes, but Devil's Tower is intrusive, not extrusive. That means those basalt columns formed while the magma was still underground, not from erupted lava, although columns like that do exist in extruded basalt as well.

Devil's tower is the remnant of a volcanic neck; it stands above the topography because the more-easily eroded rock that enclosed it as it cooled has eroded away, leaving the more resistant rock behind as the tower.

Either that, or it's a basaltic tree stump (topic). ;)

I'm not saying the guy is 100% correct - he could be!
But, I'd rather believe it's a basaltic tree stump than to believe it's cooled down lava and miraculously formed perfect hexagonal shapes.

What you'd rather believe has no bearing on what is true.

It's fracture mechanics. They aren't perfect, either. No miracles needed.

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I bet you if flat earthers claimed that tower was caused by lava, round heads would've made a big fuss out of it and it was all over the news!!!  ;D

Why do you think this? Is this also something you'd rather believe?

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Even my round-head daughter said lava could never form something so perfect! > for the first time I believe her...  ;D

Well, if your daughter says so, who am I to argue? ;)
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2017, 11:41:20 AM »

How do you feel about when salt crystallises.....do you imagine trees are involved in that too?

Water can do pretty things when it cools in the right conditions too:



Are you comparing water - the most passive, receptive element, and the greatest receiver and absorber of energy.  Flowing and fluidic. Cools, moistens, lubricates, dissolves, cleanses, purifies, sinks downwards. Fertilizes and germinates as the Source of all Life > comparing that to lava?

Water changes its molecular structure formation, so rapidly, computers can't catch up with it!!!
Water changes its formation even when affected by emotions (Read Masaru Emoto's work)!

Oh, that was a cheap shot!

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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2017, 11:46:14 AM »

Please can anyone convince me how this magma form perfect hexagonal shapes!


http://www.iflscience.com/environment/why-columnar-basalt-almost-always-hexagonal/

https://www.wired.com/2015/02/volcanoes-create-towering-columns-rock/

https://phys.org/news/2015-10-riddle-lava-hexagons.html

So, just because some scientists said lava caused those hexagonal shapes to form, 50 million years ago, we should just believe them?
Maybe they were wrong & it wasn't lava, or maybe the computer simulation was simply programmed to give the scientists what they really wanted to believe!

I thought you had a real proof to show us!

If Silicon-base life had really existed then, then expect to see wonders in natural formations that do not conflict with the laws of physics - like your scientists' explanation - "lava can form perfect hexagonal shapes"!

I would've accepted a "don't know" or "not sure" answer from them better than that non-sense crap!
jammed scientific heads are really

If you weren't interested in the answer why did you ask the question?

Basaltic lava, cooling in the right conditions, contracts in a way that forms polygons - often hexagons, sometimes not, sometimes uniform, sometimes not. This is backed up scientific research.

Your explanation is giant trees based on erm, some made up shit on youtube.

Yes, it could be some made-up shit, but your scientists' theory doesn't even reach shit level! > I don't know what could be worse than shit, or I would've named it!  ::)
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2017, 12:02:49 PM »

Please can anyone convince me how this magma form perfect hexagonal shapes!


http://www.iflscience.com/environment/why-columnar-basalt-almost-always-hexagonal/

https://www.wired.com/2015/02/volcanoes-create-towering-columns-rock/

https://phys.org/news/2015-10-riddle-lava-hexagons.html

So, just because some scientists said lava caused those hexagonal shapes to form, 50 million years ago, we should just believe them?
Maybe they were wrong & it wasn't lava, or maybe the computer simulation was simply programmed to give the scientists what they really wanted to believe!

I thought you had a real proof to show us!

If Silicon-base life had really existed then, then expect to see wonders in natural formations that do not conflict with the laws of physics - like your scientists' explanation - "lava can form perfect hexagonal shapes"!

I would've accepted a "don't know" or "not sure" answer from them better than that non-sense crap!
jammed scientific heads are really

If you weren't interested in the answer why did you ask the question?

Basaltic lava, cooling in the right conditions, contracts in a way that forms polygons - often hexagons, sometimes not, sometimes uniform, sometimes not. This is backed up scientific research.

Your explanation is giant trees based on erm, some made up shit on youtube.

The scientists did not experiment on lava to prove it forms perfect geometrical formations when cooled down - they proved that using corn starch - a linear polymer!!! 

So, how does that prove lava can form the same geometrical shapes?

Are they a joke or are they making a joke out of us?
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2017, 05:55:57 PM »

3. There is no such thing as silicon based lifeforms. Silicon's chemistry is quite limited. Carbon is also electronegative compared to hydrogen and silicon is electropositive compared to hydrogen. This has a drastic effect on silicon-hydrogen bonds. There aren't silicon equivalents for alkane, alkene, alkynes and zillions of other organic compounds.


I could envision silicon based life forms, primitive ones at least (maybe more primitive than a living cell), in a very hot environment, let's say, in an ocean of iron or so.

“Carbon and Silicon share many characteristics. Each has a so-called valence of four--meaning that individual atoms make four bonds with other elements in forming chemical compounds. Each element bonds to oxygen. Each forms long chains, called polymers, in which it alternates with oxygen.
But when carbon oxidizes--or unites with oxygen say, during burning--it becomes the gas carbon dioxide; silicon oxidizes to the solid silicon dioxide, called silica.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-silicon-be-the-basi/


Still, researchers have long speculated that alien life could have a completely different chemical basis than life on earth.
For example, instead of relying on water as the solvent in which biological molecules operate, perhaps aliens might depend on Ammonia and Methane. And instead of relying on Carbon to create the molecules of life, perhaps aliens could use Silicon!

“Scientists believe that Earth’s early atmosphere was probably mostly carbon dioxide with little or no oxygen. There were smaller proportions of water vapor, ammonia and methane.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/aqa/earth/earthsatmosphererev3.shtml


It sounds like the perfect atmosphere for Silicon-base life forms, doesn’t it?
I think given the proper conditions on any planet, both carbon-based and silicon-based life might initially form.

“The surface temperature of Titan, Saturn’s largest moon, is a frigid -290 degrees Fahrenheit. The moon has little oxygen – any water is frozen – but liquid methane flows in strange rivers and lakes. The silicon-based compounds (called silanes) that could potentially build alien cells should be stable under those conditions.”

http://www.popsci.com/bacteria-have-bonded-carbon-and-silicon-for-first-time-what-can-they-teach-us

So, is it a possibility Silicon-base life forms and trees might’ve existed on earth in prehistoric times when earth atmosphere was suitable for such life to flourish? Based on the above; I think science answered a big YES!
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2017, 11:10:24 PM »
How do you know they cut the top of a mountain?
It could be just flatted dirt.
Well, something must've flattened that dirt!

Obviously it was so-called aliens that came from so-called space (which doesn't exist btw) who did it. It's the only logical explanation, when you really open your mind and think about it rationally.

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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2017, 12:19:11 AM »
Oh dear...a lot of sense! You flat heads will fall for any old crap!
A quick glance at the rock will tell you exactly what its origin was....and it sure as ain't no tree.....it's called erosion.

But really why do you go out your way to gobble up any old crap? It's almost like you discount conventional science for any Jumbo Jumbo going.

Here is a thing next time you want to fly somewhere, I'm in the south of Spain at the moment....very lovely after taking a flight in an aircraft, Airbus I think! Next time you want to fly.... Why don't you go for an aircraft designed and built by alternatives, those who ditch conventional wisdom and just make shit up!

Iwoyld love to see the lot of you trying out an aircraft designed and built by Sandokhan, ignoring gravity and using denpressure principles....that  would be a laugh and a half...
Nobody is talking about flying. We are talking about gigantic stuff that just very well could have been a massive truth and one which I believe there is a lot of truth to.

You merely going on about flat Earth theorists building planes that you don't want to fly in, is backward and pointless.

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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2017, 12:23:37 AM »
Never trust a penguin to fly your aircraft:
('Cause penguins can't fly)

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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2017, 03:37:22 AM »
How do you know they cut the top of a mountain?
It could be just flatted dirt.
Well, something must've flattened that dirt!

Obviously it was so-called aliens that came from so-called space (which doesn't exist btw) who did it. It's the only logical explanation, when you really open your mind and think about it rationally.

Some say the plane is vast behind the ice wall - so, aliens could come from there, if indeed earth is flat and spread in all directions.

If the distance is far for flying machines, they could use nuclear submarines to come from below the ice - ice floats, doesn't it?
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2017, 04:48:09 AM »
I found something interesting related to the subject - An entire island, 50 x 100 miles, completely petrified. Covered with the petrified remains of a forest of super giants.

Trees of incredible/impossible size, destroyed by a cataclysm that collapsed the island itself into the surrounding sea.
They are saying the base of these petrified trees are as much as 1/4 mile wide, saying these tree's grew higher than a half mile high. This located in the Black Hills in South Dakota.

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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2017, 05:31:20 AM »
Who is 'they'? What is their evidence? How have they verified that evidence? All I see in the video are the emperor's new clothes.
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #51 on: May 10, 2017, 05:37:09 AM »

The Russian guy claims those trees were Silicon base and not Carbon base living things!
He also claims another race came to earth and somehow cut those giant trees; mining for Silicon and gem stones formed by those trees!

I also noticed this subject was talked about in this Form last year - in a sarcastic way!

There was no sarcasm, myself and John Davies (the most eminent flat earth scientist) simply extended the hypothesis: those trees were chopped down by aliens using giant laser space axes.  And sometimes giant space chainsaws.

If not, how the fuck would these aliens have chopped down these giant silicon trees?    It's just basic logic.  Anyone telling you any different is a brainwashed shill.  Are you a brainwashed shill, Hannibaal?

After reading your reply, I searched more and found out that the subject was opened & discussed in more than one thread - the ones I didn't notice at first!

And I did mention in one of the quotes that the aliens could've used laser cutting machines, because some of those mountain tops had pretty flat, sharp cuts!

Using similar technology to cut the top of those mountains in Nazca.



And NO - I'm not a brainwashed shill, either!

How do you know they cut the top of a mountain?
It could be just flatted dirt.

Well, something must've flattened that dirt!

I imagine that to the culture of the time, it made sense. They had the time and belief system that made them want to do such a project.
There is also Machu Picchu which is same to be build by the Incas.
There are also gigantic drawings of a monkey, a hummingbird, a human, a spider.
It is all in Peru.

You were claiming that it was mountainous rock that was cut by aliens using lasers.
I don't think it is rock. Can you provide a reliable source about its location and name?

Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2017, 06:12:49 AM »

Did you notice the word by weight?
This is a list of constituent elements present in a tree. However, those atoms are arranged to form compounds.
A tree has a lot of cellulose
http://www.machinedesign.com/materials/cellulose-nanocrystals-plant-life-could-lead-stronger-materials

In oak bark, you can find Quercitannic acid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercitannic_acid

As for enzymes in plants, yes, plants do have enzymes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amylase
“Both α-amylase and β-amylase are present in seeds; β-amylase is present in an inactive form prior to germination, whereas α-amylase and proteases appear once germination has begun”

I wasn't talking about atom arrangement or enzymes - I was talking about the basic elements us, animals and plants are made of!

So, if Carbon can form life, why can't Silicon > considering the atmospheric composition might've been different in prehistoric eras?

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No, trees aren't made of the same material as the Earth's crust. There are thousands of chemicals that get involved in each cell of a tree and basically any other lifeforms.
Some are classified as proteins, some as enzymes, some as sugars and there is the universal solvent and transporter : water.

And you responded with:
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"Almost 98% (by weight) of a tree is made up of six elements: carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus and sulfur."   https://projects.ncsu.edu/project/treesofstrength/treefact.htm

That looks to me exactly what earth crust is made off, as well! Doesn't it?
It doesn't say enzymes anywhere, does it?

I wrote
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Did you notice the word by weight?
This is a list of constituent elements present in a tree. However, those atoms are arranged to form compounds.
A tree has a lot of cellulose
http://www.machinedesign.com/materials/cellulose-nanocrystals-plant-life-could-lead-stronger-materials

In oak bark, you can find Quercitannic acid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercitannic_acid

As for enzymes in plants, yes, plants do have enzymes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amylase
“Both α-amylase and β-amylase are present in seeds; β-amylase is present in an inactive form prior to germination, whereas α-amylase and proteases appear once germination has begun”

You were telling me that enzyme is not listed. This means you aren’t aware of the chemistry that makes up trees or any other lifeform.

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I wasn't talking about atom arrangement or enzymes - I was talking about the basic elements us, animals and plants are made of!

I doubt it. It looked like you weren’t aware that plants have enzymes like amylaze and many other compounds. Yes, having those elements around is nice but they have to be in the form of the right compound to participate in the plants chemistry. CO2 for example is needed and not graphite. The Nitrate anion is needed and not N2.


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So, if Carbon can form life, why can't Silicon > considering the atmospheric composition might've been different in prehistoric eras?

Meaning what? What was the atmospheric composition? How did the plants utilize for example alpha-quartz?

Have you checked out the chemistry of those rocks in those hexagonal pattern?

So, if Carbon can form life, why can't Silicon > considering the atmospheric composition might've been different in prehistoric eras?

Like I said before, silicon's chemistry is quite limited. You won't even find the equivalents to the alkanes, alkenes, alkynes and many other families of organic compounds.

The only alkane equivalent is SiH4 which is the methane equivalent. This stuff reacts with water at room temperature while methane is stable.
Silicon is electropositive with respect to hydrogen while carbon is electronegative. This is a problem. Also, silicon atoms are large so I assume this causes a problem as well. Silicon atoms can’t make double or triple bonds with themselves while carbon can easily do it. Carbon can also make single bonds with itself and make long carbon chains. One structure that often appears in natural compounds is the benzene ring. Silicon can’t form benzene rings either.

Also, CO2 is gas and so can participate in the low temperature chemistry that happens in life while SiO2 is a solid and doesn’t even dissolve in water.
In fact, there aren’t many compounds of Si that dissolve in water. All the various silicates that are on Earth are inert. They just make nice support for plants to grow on.

Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2017, 06:52:02 AM »

3. There is no such thing as silicon based lifeforms. Silicon's chemistry is quite limited. Carbon is also electronegative compared to hydrogen and silicon is electropositive compared to hydrogen. This has a drastic effect on silicon-hydrogen bonds. There aren't silicon equivalents for alkane, alkene, alkynes and zillions of other organic compounds.


I could envision silicon based life forms, primitive ones at least (maybe more primitive than a living cell), in a very hot environment, let's say, in an ocean of iron or so.

“Carbon and Silicon share many characteristics. Each has a so-called valence of four--meaning that individual atoms make four bonds with other elements in forming chemical compounds. Each element bonds to oxygen. Each forms long chains, called polymers, in which it alternates with oxygen.
But when carbon oxidizes--or unites with oxygen say, during burning--it becomes the gas carbon dioxide; silicon oxidizes to the solid silicon dioxide, called silica.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-silicon-be-the-basi/


So, is it a possibility Silicon-base life forms and trees might’ve existed on earth in prehistoric times when earth atmosphere was suitable for such life to flourish? Based on the above; I think science answered a big YES!

You should probably read that link that you gave all the way.

Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2017, 07:13:52 AM »
A very interesting read and some good points.

Can't believe this site exists. Stumbled over it. Never been this happy since Roast Beef Monster Munch made a return!!

Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #55 on: May 10, 2017, 08:08:17 AM »

Have you checked out the chemistry of those rocks in those hexagonal pattern?


Check it out yourself - It's made up mostly of Silicon - more than 60%!
> they say it due magma, but it remains a hypothesis!
And, it could support the other hypothesis since silicon make most of its composition.

https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~sainieid/pet/projects/Munson-Devils-Tower-2014.pdf
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #56 on: May 10, 2017, 12:02:56 PM »
Who is 'they'? What is their evidence? How have they verified that evidence? All I see in the video are the emperor's new clothes.

Well, I think the evidence could be hiding underground!

If those trees were so huge, their roots must be with the same proportion.
And guess what; the crystal caves make sense now! > Could those crystals be Silicon-trees petrified roots?
Pause at 2:03 and you see the EXACT HEXAGONAL tree fibers like on the Devils Tower and other plateaus.




It's adding up ...
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2017, 02:46:26 PM »
I watched a giant trees video expecting some mildly amusing madness that I would cease watching after a minute or two.

I was instead intrigued for an hour or so by several videos on the subject.

Also, the obvious multi user nature of the busiest globular advocates accounts is so poorly concealed.
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Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #58 on: May 11, 2017, 01:01:02 AM »

Have you checked out the chemistry of those rocks in those hexagonal pattern?


Check it out yourself - It's made up mostly of Silicon - more than 60%!
> they say it due magma, but it remains a hypothesis!
And, it could support the other hypothesis since silicon make most of its composition.

https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~sainieid/pet/projects/Munson-Devils-Tower-2014.pdf
You say "It's made up mostly of Silicon - more than 60%!"

No, it's more than 60% SiO2, Silicon dioxide or silica and it's composition is 53% oxygen and 47% oxygen.
AND
Quote from: The Editors of Encyclopædia Britannica
silica, also called silicon dioxide, compound of the two most abundant elements in Earth’s crust, silicon and oxygen, SiO2. The mass of Earth’s crust is 59 percent silica, the main constituent of more than 95 percent of the known rocks.
So it's not surprising to find that Devil's Tower is largely silica.

Re: Mountains Were Giant Prehistoric Trees - A Russian Guy Claims!
« Reply #59 on: May 11, 2017, 02:12:48 AM »

Have you checked out the chemistry of those rocks in those hexagonal pattern?


Check it out yourself - It's made up mostly of Silicon - more than 60%!
> they say it due magma, but it remains a hypothesis!
And, it could support the other hypothesis since silicon make most of its composition.

https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~sainieid/pet/projects/Munson-Devils-Tower-2014.pdf
You say "It's made up mostly of Silicon - more than 60%!"

No, it's more than 60% SiO2, Silicon dioxide or silica and it's composition is 53% oxygen and 47% oxygen.
AND
Quote from: The Editors of Encyclopædia Britannica
silica, also called silicon dioxide, compound of the two most abundant elements in Earth’s crust, silicon and oxygen, SiO2. The mass of Earth’s crust is 59 percent silica, the main constituent of more than 95 percent of the known rocks.
So it's not surprising to find that Devil's Tower is largely silica.

I read the report too, Rab - I know what Silica is (Silicon dioxide) and I was just indicating that most of its composition came from Silicon, which supports both hypothesis.

And I am also aware how crazy this idea of Silicon-based life forms might sound, but the possibilities of its validity remain sound considering earth's atmosphere was completely different in prehistoric eras!

Maybe those Silicon-based life forms did not depend on oxygen & water as the solvent in which their biological molecules operate! > Carbon-based life forms depend on Carbon-based material to produce energy, so maybe the Silicon-based were capable of getting the energy needed directly and not through oxidization!

The crystals found in the cave are not from magma accumulation, and so should not be the hexagonal formations found in the same cave, similar to the ones in Devils Tower.
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