ISS fakery reaches new heights

Curious what the fakespace endorsers have as explainations this time around !

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Ooooop's Nasa - that one kinda slipped! 

But, why the 11 seconds delay, in the first place?
In 2.5 seconds a signal can reach the moon!

Ooooop's Nasa - that one kinda slipped! 

But, why the 11 seconds delay, in the first place?
In 2.5 seconds a signal can reach the moon!

Are there still normal persons around who act as normal human beings ?
If i wouldn't know better i thought i'd listen to some highschool play about space...in the theater of Arlington Oregon.

Ooooop's Nasa - that one kinda slipped! 

But, why the 11 seconds delay, in the first place?
In 2.5 seconds a signal can reach the moon!

Good question.  Why would NASA build in an 11 second delay for a fake transmission?

*edit* My guess is that the delay might be for buffering the high data rate.

Nope, there can be no other explanation for the delay in transmission to the object that I have seen, and have photographed, passing over my house many times. Unless of course it's one of those all too common moments in broadcasting when the there was a comms glitch and the transmission didn't make it which is why they were floating around waiting.

I'd like to hear how people who have a problem connecting with reality explain the fact that they are floating in microgravity the whole time.

it's easy to sneer at things you don't understand, but it's not big and it certainly doesn't make you sound clever.

Good question.  Why would NASA build in an 11 second delay for a fake transmission?

*edit* My guess is that the delay might be for buffering the high data rate.

And what delay should an astronaut expect while playing on a guitar in sync with a band on earth ?? (last parts of the video)

Why are you people so fixated with NASA conspiracies? NASA what it is or does has little to say about the nature of our planet, that was confirmed long before NASA was ever though about, this whole topic is a flat earth red herring, and a very smelly one at that. There are other lands on our planet other than the USA, I wish you people would raise your eyes and look beyond your borders to the rest of the world.

it's easy to sneer at things you don't understand, but it's not big and it certainly doesn't make you sound clever.

You don't sound to clever either this time around.
Playing tight in a band is as difficult as it gets especcially when you are out of form or haven't practiced much the last months (in outerspace ?).
Playing with any sort of minor delay is only capable for a real pro not to fuck up the performance. But it needs some real skills to master.
Now watch this astronaut playing on a guitar with a band and choir on earth tight like a pro in micro gravity without delay of any kind and obviously not much preperation.

I am a professional musician who played on live podia uncountable times and this time around i can detect the bullshit far better than you do !

It is like watching the ''fame'' series where they could play anything at any given moment flawlessly with studio quality sound in the schools theater or hall.
But no one complained about this, althaugh it didn't mimick reality very good.
So listen to the pro,....this was space bullshit all over the place......

Quote from: markjo on May 02, 2017, 01:07:00 PM

Good question.  Why would NASA build in an 11 second delay for a fake transmission?

*edit* My guess is that the delay might be for buffering the high data rate.

And what delay should an astronaut expect while playing on a guitar in sync with a band on earth ?? (last parts of the video)

That was not part of the 4k live stream in question.

Curious what the fakespace endorsers have as explainations this time around !

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Have a grain of uncommon sense!
Don't you think that an organisation with the resources that you claim NASA is pouring into fakery would get a "studio production" that looks right.

These problems are far more likely to happen in a real life situation involving communication with a spacecraft orbiting the earth at about 27,600 km/hr.

Still, some people need all theses dubious claims to prop up their pizza planet.

By the way, just how long ago has this "fakespace" been around? Just look at the history of the "Distance to the Moon".

The distance yo the moon, and evidence of "real space", has been known to a reasonable accuracy for millennia.

Aristarchus around 270 BC derived the Moon's distance from the duration of a lunar eclipse (Hipparchus later found an independent method).
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From this Aristarchus obtained
                                          R_{moon's orbit}/r_earth ~ 60
which fits the average distance of the Moon accepted today, 60 Earth radii.
From The Moon's Distance--1

Hipparchus (probably in 129 BC), whose calculations produced a result of 59-67 R_⊕. This method later found its way into the work of Ptolemy, who produced a result of 64 ¹/₆ R_⊕ at its farthest point.

Note that R_⊕ is the raduis if the earth.

An expedition by French astronomer A.C.D Crommelin observed meridional transits of the Moon (the moment when the Moon crosses an imaginary great circle that passes directly overhead and through the poles) on the same night from two different locations. Careful measurements from 1905 through 1910 measured the angle of elevation at the moment when a specific lunar crater (Mösting A) crossed the meridian, from stations at Greenwich and at Cape of Good Hope, which share nearly the same longitude. A distance was calculated with an uncertainty of ± 30 km, and remained the definitive lunar distance value for the next half century.

Astronomers O'Keefe and Anderson calculated the lunar distance by observing 4 occultations from 9 locations in 1952. They calculated a mean distance of 384407.6±4.7 km, however the value was refined by in 1962 by Irene Fischer, who incorporated updated geodetic data to produce a value of 384403.7±2 km.

Now, of course, we have radar and laser measurements to greater precision.

If I Skype or Facetime someone interstate, the delay can sometimes be a few seconds. Maybe they are further away from me than they allege and are really aliens on Mars!!

Of course I expect human infrastructure to operate at light speed and 100% efficiency with no congestion at all times. 

Quote from: dutchy on May 02, 2017, 11:44:42 AM

Curious what the fakespace endorsers have as explainations this time around !

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Have a grain of uncommon sense!
Don't you think that an organisation with the resources that you claim NASA is pouring into fakery would get a "studio production" that looks right.

These problems are far more likely to happen in a real life situation involving communication with a spacecraft orbiting the earth at about 27,600 km/hr.

Still, some people need all theses dubious claims to prop up their pizza planet.

By the way, just how long ago has this "fakespace" been around? Just look at the history of the "Distance to the Moon".

The distance yo the moon, and evidence of "real space", has been known to a reasonable accuracy for millennia.

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Aristarchus around 270 BC derived the Moon's distance from the duration of a lunar eclipse (Hipparchus later found an independent method).
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
From this Aristarchus obtained
                                          R_{moon's orbit}/r_earth ~ 60
which fits the average distance of the Moon accepted today, 60 Earth radii.
From The Moon's Distance--1

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Hipparchus (probably in 129 BC), whose calculations produced a result of 59-67 R_⊕. This method later found its way into the work of Ptolemy, who produced a result of 64 ¹/₆ R_⊕ at its farthest point.

Note that R_⊕ is the raduis if the earth.

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An expedition by French astronomer A.C.D Crommelin observed meridional transits of the Moon (the moment when the Moon crosses an imaginary great circle that passes directly overhead and through the poles) on the same night from two different locations. Careful measurements from 1905 through 1910 measured the angle of elevation at the moment when a specific lunar crater (Mösting A) crossed the meridian, from stations at Greenwich and at Cape of Good Hope, which share nearly the same longitude. A distance was calculated with an uncertainty of ± 30 km, and remained the definitive lunar distance value for the next half century.

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Astronomers O'Keefe and Anderson calculated the lunar distance by observing 4 occultations from 9 locations in 1952. They calculated a mean distance of 384407.6±4.7 km, however the value was refined by in 1962 by Irene Fischer, who incorporated updated geodetic data to produce a value of 384403.7±2 km.

Now, of course, we have radar and laser measurements to greater precision.

Hey Shillinoz, instead of defection how about answering the question. How can he play live with a band on earth if there is a communication delay? It doesn't matter if NASA is claiming 2 1/2 sec, 11 secs or whatever. Maybe they snuck the band aboard the ISS?

Curious what the fakespace endorsers have as explainations this time around !

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Do you have something to say for yourself or are you so thoughtless you have to have other people think for you?

Do you have something to say for yourself or are you so thoughtless you have to have other people think for you?

I did, after letting others have their say.
If i would give my ''explaination'' from the start, people would critisise me for drawing conclusions without being thoughtfull.

So what is your take on the tight live performance between the cosmic guitar hero and the planet earthband in realtime ?

The I for international was added when cooperation between countries commenced on the permanent space station, or PSS as it was known as.

Therefore the correct title is the Permanent International Space Station.
The PISS.

They are, of course, taking the piss with their stupid bullshit fake space antics.
Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?

That was really clever.

Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?

Ammonia has a well known history as a refrigerant.  What's your point?

Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on May 03, 2017, 04:11:51 PM

Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?

Ammonia has a well known history as a refrigerant.  What's your point?

The distinctive acrid tang.

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Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on May 03, 2017, 04:11:51 PM

Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?

Ammonia has a well known history as a refrigerant.  What's your point?

The distinctive acrid tang.

I'm sorry, I thought you had a point.

Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on May 03, 2017, 07:16:56 PM

Quote from: markjo on May 03, 2017, 07:14:03 PM

Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on May 03, 2017, 04:11:51 PM

Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?

Ammonia has a well known history as a refrigerant.  What's your point?

The distinctive acrid tang.

I'm sorry, I thought you had a point.

I did, I made it. Is there someone you can ask to explain it to you?
Who usually assists you in your day to day life?

Digital tv adds substantial delays. Image is coded and this takes time.
The transmission is always delayed due to error correction mechanisms. Add to all this the delay caused by the distance and this can be a lot.

If any of you has digital tv disconnect the feed cable and measure how much time it takes to freeze the image.

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Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on May 03, 2017, 07:16:56 PM

Quote from: markjo on May 03, 2017, 07:14:03 PM

Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on May 03, 2017, 04:11:51 PM

Anyone remember the ammonia leaks a few years back? Smells like.....?

Ammonia has a well known history as a refrigerant.  What's your point?

The distinctive acrid tang.

I'm sorry, I thought you had a point.

I did, I made it. Is there someone you can ask to explain it to you?

Perhaps someone should have explained to you that the ammonia leaks were outside the station, hence the space walks to fix them.

Quote from: sokarul on May 03, 2017, 07:25:18 AM

Do you have something to say for yourself or are you so thoughtless you have to have other people think for you?

I did, after letting others have their say.
If i would give my ''explaination'' from the start, people would critisise me for drawing conclusions without being thoughtfull.

So what is your take on the tight live performance between the cosmic guitar hero and the planet earthband in realtime ?

I didn't see anything that was impossible.

Quote from: dutchy on May 03, 2017, 03:23:08 PM

Quote from: sokarul on May 03, 2017, 07:25:18 AM

Do you have something to say for yourself or are you so thoughtless you have to have other people think for you?

I did, after letting others have their say.
If i would give my ''explaination'' from the start, people would critisise me for drawing conclusions without being thoughtfull.

So what is your take on the tight live performance between the cosmic guitar hero and the planet earthband in realtime ?

I didn't see anything that was impossible.

Then either you haven't played an instrument yourself, or don't know the amount of pre recorded fakery or sampled parts that have entered the ''live'' performance scenes around the globe.
Just like CGI, live music has become a cleverly edited and musically ''photoshopped''  business that the majority thinks reflects a live performance instaed of
real muscians playing together in a genuine live setting with all risks involved.
All current semi live performances make use of some/many pre recorded/sampled details/parts, but even they won't go that far to fake a tight performance that should have been destroyed by any form of delay.
Watch most drummers with an in-ear, not just for monitoring the whole return feed of the rest of the band, but in many cases to provide the drummer with a clicktrack that is fixed so other pre recorded parts can be added in the exact time location the drummer also uses as guidence from the first beat to the last.
The moment any of the instrumentalists receives an incoming signal of the rest of the band with a delay more than 10-15 milliseconds it becomes extremely hard to perform, a further delay makes it almost impossible to keep the whole performance tight from the mixing console.

So what the hell is going on with the cosmic guitar hero and planet's earthband ?
They pretend to have a musical performance together in a live setting and was announced as such , not ?

I really hope i have convinced you that it is not possible, but adds to the long list of ISS fakery that, i have no idea why, people dismiss as whining about something that is obvious as real as it gets.
IT IS FAKE....DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ?

Quote from: sokarul on May 04, 2017, 11:01:47 AM

Quote from: dutchy on May 03, 2017, 03:23:08 PM

Quote from: sokarul on May 03, 2017, 07:25:18 AM

Do you have something to say for yourself or are you so thoughtless you have to have other people think for you?

I did, after letting others have their say.
If i would give my ''explaination'' from the start, people would critisise me for drawing conclusions without being thoughtfull.

So what is your take on the tight live performance between the cosmic guitar hero and the planet earthband in realtime ?

I didn't see anything that was impossible.

Then either you haven't played an instrument yourself, or don't know the amount of pre recorded fakery or sampled parts that have entered the ''live'' performance scenes around the globe.
Just like CGI, live music has become a cleverly edited and musically ''photoshopped''  business that the majority thinks reflects a live performance instaed of
real muscians playing together in a genuine live setting with all risks involved.
All current semi live performances make use of some/many pre recorded/sampled details/parts, but even they won't go that far to fake a tight performance that should have been destroyed by any form of delay.
Watch most drummers with an in-ear, not just for monitoring the whole return feed of the rest of the band, but in many cases to provide the drummer with a clicktrack that is fixed so other pre recorded parts can be added in the exact time location the drummer also uses as guidence from the first beat to the last.
The moment any of the instrumentalists receives an incoming signal of the rest of the band with a delay more than 10-15 milliseconds it becomes extremely hard to perform, a further delay makes it almost impossible to keep the whole performance tight from the mixing console.

So what the hell is going on with the cosmic guitar hero and planet's earthband ?
They pretend to have a musical performance together in a live setting and was announced as such , not ?

I really hope i have convinced you that it is not possible, but adds to the long list of ISS fakery that, i have no idea why, people dismiss as whining about something that is obvious as real as it gets.
IT IS FAKE....DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ?

You have to remember that you are dealing with brainwashed roundies. They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.

They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.

I think you might not have meant to say it like that.   ROTFLMAO

Just say they believe NASA tells the truth.    No need for a double negative.

You have to remember that you are dealing with brainwashed roundies. They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.

But NASA did not tell me that the earth is a rotating Globe orbiting a very large distant sun.
I knew that well before NASA turn up.

So, try again little sheepie.

Quote from: hoppy on May 04, 2017, 07:23:22 PM

They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.

I think you might not have meant to say it like that.   ROTFLMAO

Just say they believe NASA tells the truth.    No need for a double negative.

double negative
nounGRAMMAR
a negative statement containing two negative elements (for example he didn't say nothing ).
a positive statement in which two negative elements are used to produce the positive force, usually for some particular rhetorical effect, for example there is not nothing to worry about!.

Try again spergahontas.

Quote from: Rayzor on May 04, 2017, 08:13:12 PM

Quote from: hoppy on May 04, 2017, 07:23:22 PM

They cannot disbelieve something that NASA has told them is true.

I think you might not have meant to say it like that.   ROTFLMAO

Just say they believe NASA tells the truth.    No need for a double negative.

Try again spergahontas.

Unless you happen to be speaking in Russian!

Negation in Russian
Unlike English, Russian allows “double negative” expressions, for example you can say in Russian “I didn’t understand nothing” while in English you have to either say “I understood nothing” or “I didn’t understand anything”. The Russian negation rule indicates that if the verb in a phrase is negative, then all indefinite pronouns in that clause should be negative.

And who knows what a little sheepie like hoppy might speak.