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Re: Evolution
« Reply #210 on: August 07, 2017, 02:49:30 PM »
The most logical answer is that it was preserved for 68 million years because of all the evidence that points to it.

What "evidence"? You mean the evidence based on assumptions like carbon dating? The one categorically proven to be inaccurate and would never hold up in an actual court case if used as evidence for a crime?

In school, college and uni, ALL I remember being repeated was "the overwhelming evidence" "evidence" "evidence" "evidence" but then when you dig deep into the "evidence" all hell breaks loose. But it looks like it clearly worked on you so those tax dollars did not go to waste. The evolution religion, based on pure beliefs is rampant and ANYONE trying to get a message through to these hardcore Darwinian evolutionists might as well have evolved from monkeys.

When exactly was carbon dating proven to be wrong? Must have missed that one.

Also no, carbon dating isn't used for samples that old. There are other methods of radiometric dating that work in these cases.
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #211 on: August 07, 2017, 03:57:12 PM »
I was going to post about how literally no one argues about the inaccuracy of carbon dating dinosaur fossils except people who don't know what they are talking about. But DNO nailed it.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #212 on: August 07, 2017, 04:40:18 PM »
The most logical answer is that it was preserved for 68 million years because of all the evidence that points to it.

What "evidence"? You mean the evidence based on assumptions like carbon dating? The one categorically proven to be inaccurate and would never hold up in an actual court case if used as evidence for a crime?

In school, college and uni, ALL I remember being repeated was "the overwhelming evidence" "evidence" "evidence" "evidence" but then when you dig deep into the "evidence" all hell breaks loose. But it looks like it clearly worked on you so those tax dollars did not go to waste. The evolution religion, based on pure beliefs is rampant and ANYONE trying to get a message through to these hardcore Darwinian evolutionists might as well have evolved from monkeys.

When exactly was carbon dating proven to be wrong? Must have missed that one.

Also no, carbon dating isn't used for samples that old. There are other methods of radiometric dating that work.

No radiometric dating method is an exact Science. It's all based on assumptions to begin with. The "methods of reading" are indeed accurate but using that to date a rock/fossil is pure fantasy being based on assumptions which is impossible to know Scientifically such as starting points and variable rates. Keep trying, you're not fooling anyone but yourselves.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #213 on: August 07, 2017, 04:44:34 PM »
What reason do you have to believe that the half life of any/all radioactive isotopes ever change?

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #214 on: August 08, 2017, 12:55:21 AM »
The most logical answer is that it was preserved for 68 million years because of all the evidence that points to it.

What "evidence"? You mean the evidence based on assumptions like carbon dating? The one categorically proven to be inaccurate and would never hold up in an actual court case if used as evidence for a crime?

In school, college and uni, ALL I remember being repeated was "the overwhelming evidence" "evidence" "evidence" "evidence" but then when you dig deep into the "evidence" all hell breaks loose. But it looks like it clearly worked on you so those tax dollars did not go to waste. The evolution religion, based on pure beliefs is rampant and ANYONE trying to get a message through to these hardcore Darwinian evolutionists might as well have evolved from monkeys.

When exactly was carbon dating proven to be wrong? Must have missed that one.

Also no, carbon dating isn't used for samples that old. There are other methods of radiometric dating that work.

No radiometric dating method is an exact Science. It's all based on assumptions to begin with. The "methods of reading" are indeed accurate but using that to date a rock/fossil is pure fantasy being based on assumptions which is impossible to know Scientifically such as starting points and variable rates. Keep trying, you're not fooling anyone but yourselves.

Just because you said it, it doesn't mean it's true. I'm waiting, when was it proven to be wrong and how?
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #215 on: August 08, 2017, 04:40:54 AM »
The most logical answer is that it was preserved for 68 million years because of all the evidence that points to it.

What "evidence"? You mean the evidence based on assumptions like carbon dating? The one categorically proven to be inaccurate and would never hold up in an actual court case if used as evidence for a crime?

In school, college and uni, ALL I remember being repeated was "the overwhelming evidence" "evidence" "evidence" "evidence" but then when you dig deep into the "evidence" all hell breaks loose. But it looks like it clearly worked on you so those tax dollars did not go to waste. The evolution religion, based on pure beliefs is rampant and ANYONE trying to get a message through to these hardcore Darwinian evolutionists might as well have evolved from monkeys.

When exactly was carbon dating proven to be wrong? Must have missed that one.

Also no, carbon dating isn't used for samples that old. There are other methods of radiometric dating that work.

No radiometric dating method is an exact Science. It's all based on assumptions to begin with. The "methods of reading" are indeed accurate but using that to date a rock/fossil is pure fantasy being based on assumptions which is impossible to know Scientifically such as starting points and variable rates. Keep trying, you're not fooling anyone but yourselves.

Just because you said it, it doesn't mean it's true. I'm waiting, when was it proven to be wrong and how?

And just because you said makes it true? When was it proven to be accurate and an exact science not based on assumptions and wild number range to conclude its associated theories as "FACT"?

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #216 on: August 08, 2017, 06:43:23 AM »
The most logical answer is that it was preserved for 68 million years because of all the evidence that points to it.

What "evidence"? You mean the evidence based on assumptions like carbon dating? The one categorically proven to be inaccurate and would never hold up in an actual court case if used as evidence for a crime?

In school, college and uni, ALL I remember being repeated was "the overwhelming evidence" "evidence" "evidence" "evidence" but then when you dig deep into the "evidence" all hell breaks loose. But it looks like it clearly worked on you so those tax dollars did not go to waste. The evolution religion, based on pure beliefs is rampant and ANYONE trying to get a message through to these hardcore Darwinian evolutionists might as well have evolved from monkeys.

When exactly was carbon dating proven to be wrong? Must have missed that one.

Also no, carbon dating isn't used for samples that old. There are other methods of radiometric dating that work.

No radiometric dating method is an exact Science. It's all based on assumptions to begin with. The "methods of reading" are indeed accurate but using that to date a rock/fossil is pure fantasy being based on assumptions which is impossible to know Scientifically such as starting points and variable rates. Keep trying, you're not fooling anyone but yourselves.

Just because you said it, it doesn't mean it's true. I'm waiting, when was it proven to be wrong and how?

And just because you said makes it true? When was it proven to be accurate and an exact science not based on assumptions and wild number range to conclude its associated theories as "FACT"?

Why are you answering me with a question?

You're the one who claims the whole of paleontology and big chunks of geology and archeology are wrong. You're the one who claimed it's been proven to be wrong. When?
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #217 on: August 08, 2017, 10:47:11 AM »
The most logical answer is that it was preserved for 68 million years because of all the evidence that points to it.

What "evidence"? You mean the evidence based on assumptions like carbon dating? The one categorically proven to be inaccurate and would never hold up in an actual court case if used as evidence for a crime?

In school, college and uni, ALL I remember being repeated was "the overwhelming evidence" "evidence" "evidence" "evidence" but then when you dig deep into the "evidence" all hell breaks loose. But it looks like it clearly worked on you so those tax dollars did not go to waste. The evolution religion, based on pure beliefs is rampant and ANYONE trying to get a message through to these hardcore Darwinian evolutionists might as well have evolved from monkeys.

When exactly was carbon dating proven to be wrong? Must have missed that one.

Also no, carbon dating isn't used for samples that old. There are other methods of radiometric dating that work.

No radiometric dating method is an exact Science. It's all based on assumptions to begin with. The "methods of reading" are indeed accurate but using that to date a rock/fossil is pure fantasy being based on assumptions which is impossible to know Scientifically such as starting points and variable rates. Keep trying, you're not fooling anyone but yourselves.

Just because you said it, it doesn't mean it's true. I'm waiting, when was it proven to be wrong and how?

And just because you said makes it true? When was it proven to be accurate and an exact science not based on assumptions and wild number range to conclude its associated theories as "FACT"?
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #218 on: August 08, 2017, 03:26:09 PM »
Why are you answering me with a question?

You're the one who claims the whole of paleontology and big chunks of geology and archeology are wrong. You're the one who claimed it's been proven to be wrong. When?
Actually, I simply reject it based on real Science. The dating methods have never proven to be 100% accurate beyond a few thousand years. Then that's used for giving wild numbers like 4.2 million years. The only numbers published are those which match the religion of evolution. So it's not even about being proven wrong, it's never been proven right to begin with in order to challenge it.

Take your own web site for example: https://debunkingdenialism.com/2011/08/12/refuting-radiometric-dating-methods-makes-untenable-assumptions/
While you see 100% Science and answers to defend your beliefs, I see many issues in almost every section there.

The fact remains, radiometric dating is based on assumptions to prove evolution.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #219 on: August 08, 2017, 03:28:41 PM »
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?
It was never right to begin with. Prove it's right on millions/billions of years then I have a reason to provide proof. Until then, you can continue to believe in your pseudoscience

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #220 on: August 08, 2017, 03:44:07 PM »
What reason does one have to believe that half lives of a particular isotope change over time? I don't believe that has ever been witnessed. Very fine measurements of half lives of many isotopes have been measured, repeatedly, and the same isotopes all have the same half life, all the time.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #221 on: August 08, 2017, 04:15:29 PM »
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?
It was never right to begin with. Prove it's right on millions/billions of years then I have a reason to provide proof. Until then, you can continue to believe in your pseudoscience
Then why did you say it was proven wrong?

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #222 on: August 08, 2017, 04:29:02 PM »
All dating methods have given wild numbers many times... I think what observer is trying to communicate is we are relying on decay and amount actually injected by the sun being static from the beginning of time...that is one hell of an assumption. It seems to really just be needed conformational bias over true curiosity and science.

Even just a 1 percent change for any given amount of time in the past could effect tests by millions of years depending on when the change happened and how long. Very long term changes of extreme changes (example say a 20 percent change) could effect results by billions.

Want to see true accurate dating (as much as you can ask for) just follow the money not fluff. Look at what oil companies use, they don't give a shit about agenda, evolution or anything of the such...just money and finding oil, so it must work. Their system is accurate for around 500-1500 years...this is a system I can agree with.
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #223 on: August 08, 2017, 04:45:09 PM »
BHS what system do they use? Honest question. Admittedly I'm asking instead of googling. But I'm more interested in your take than Google's anyway.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #224 on: August 09, 2017, 01:23:36 AM »
Why are you answering me with a question?

You're the one who claims the whole of paleontology and big chunks of geology and archeology are wrong. You're the one who claimed it's been proven to be wrong. When?
Actually, I simply reject it based on real Science. The dating methods have never proven to be 100% accurate beyond a few thousand years. Then that's used for giving wild numbers like 4.2 million years. The only numbers published are those which match the religion of evolution. So it's not even about being proven wrong, it's never been proven right to begin with in order to challenge it.

Take your own web site for example: https://debunkingdenialism.com/2011/08/12/refuting-radiometric-dating-methods-makes-untenable-assumptions/
While you see 100% Science and answers to defend your beliefs, I see many issues in almost every section there.

The fact remains, radiometric dating is based on assumptions to prove evolution.

"Our own" website? I have no idea what that website is, I've never visited it in my life, and you never said what is wrong with it.

I'm still waiting. What are these assumptions and why are they wrong?
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #225 on: August 09, 2017, 02:03:23 AM »
All dating methods have given wild numbers many times... I think what observer is trying to communicate is we are relying on decay and amount actually injected by the sun being static from the beginning of time...that is one hell of an assumption. It seems to really just be needed conformational bias over true curiosity and science.

Even just a 1 percent change for any given amount of time in the past could effect tests by millions of years depending on when the change happened and how long. Very long term changes of extreme changes (example say a 20 percent change) could effect results by billions.

Want to see true accurate dating (as much as you can ask for) just follow the money not fluff. Look at what oil companies use, they don't give a shit about agenda, evolution or anything of the such...just money and finding oil, so it must work. Their system is accurate for around 500-1500 years...this is a system I can agree with.

I think you are forgetting that paleontology has no "agenda". No one is trying to prove evolution to you, because no scientist takes young earth creationism seriously any more. Every time a fossil is dated, no one rubs his hands and says "Yeah, that's gonna prove them YECs wrong! Wooohooo!". They just date a fossil. If there is someone with an agenda it's all the YECs desperate to disprove everything they don't like. Every time I check an article in Answers in Genesis purporting to disprove radiometric dating I look at the footnotes and it's always some "Creationist Science Institute" research published in a creationist journal.

No, radiometric dating isn't ALWAYS right and it does occasionally give wild numbers. That's because you have to know what you're doing when you're dating things and be careful not to fall in the various traps that exist. Of course real geologists know what those traps are and how to avoid them, but every time a creationist attempts to "disprove" dating methods he intentionally falls into them so that it gives him a wrong result. It's not the dating method that is wrong but the way he used it.

Saying that we don't know if the decay rates were always the same is akin to saying we don't know if Newton's laws were always right, or doubting the superposition principle. There is absolutely no reason why the decay rate should vary, and it doesn't explain why results from all dating methods fit together just fine. I don't know what you are referring to by "amount injected by the sun". I've seen many researches proving the assumptions, but can't give you citations to them right now because I'm on my phone, I'll see what I can do later.
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #226 on: August 09, 2017, 12:00:59 PM »
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?
It was never right to begin with. Prove it's right on millions/billions of years then I have a reason to provide proof. Until then, you can continue to believe in your pseudoscience
Then why did you say it was proven wrong?
True. Well spotted. But the fact remains. Radiometric dating is not an exact Science and the results cannot be classed as "fast" beyond doubt the way evolutionists state it as fact.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #227 on: August 09, 2017, 12:27:27 PM »
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?
It was never right to begin with. Prove it's right on millions/billions of years then I have a reason to provide proof. Until then, you can continue to believe in your pseudoscience
Then why did you say it was proven wrong?
True. Well spotted. But the fact remains. Radiometric dating is not an exact Science and the results cannot be classed as "fast" beyond doubt the way evolutionists state it as fact.

Still waiting for your objections to it.
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #228 on: August 09, 2017, 12:53:27 PM »
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?
It was never right to begin with. Prove it's right on millions/billions of years then I have a reason to provide proof. Until then, you can continue to believe in your pseudoscience
Then why did you say it was proven wrong?
True. Well spotted. But the fact remains. Radiometric dating is not an exact Science and the results cannot be classed as "fast" beyond doubt the way evolutionists state it as fact.
Do you have any scientific data, or a link to a study to back that up?

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #229 on: August 09, 2017, 01:45:11 PM »
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?
It was never right to begin with. Prove it's right on millions/billions of years then I have a reason to provide proof. Until then, you can continue to believe in your pseudoscience
Then why did you say it was proven wrong?
True. Well spotted. But the fact remains. Radiometric dating is not an exact Science and the results cannot be classed as "fast" beyond doubt the way evolutionists state it as fact.
So, basically that's just your opinion, without any underlying logic, scientific explanation or let alone some actual research.
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #230 on: August 09, 2017, 02:35:45 PM »
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?
It was never right to begin with. Prove it's right on millions/billions of years then I have a reason to provide proof. Until then, you can continue to believe in your pseudoscience
Then why did you say it was proven wrong?
True. Well spotted. But the fact remains. Radiometric dating is not an exact Science and the results cannot be classed as "fast" beyond doubt the way evolutionists state it as fact.
So, basically that's just your opinion, without any underlying logic, scientific explanation or let alone some actual research.
Nope, it's a Scientific "FACT" that radiometric dating is inaccurate and based on assumptions. Why does a "fact" like this need research? What is there to research about this fact?

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #231 on: August 09, 2017, 02:44:21 PM »
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?
It was never right to begin with. Prove it's right on millions/billions of years then I have a reason to provide proof. Until then, you can continue to believe in your pseudoscience
Then why did you say it was proven wrong?
True. Well spotted. But the fact remains. Radiometric dating is not an exact Science and the results cannot be classed as "fast" beyond doubt the way evolutionists state it as fact.
So, basically that's just your opinion, without any underlying logic, scientific explanation or let alone some actual research.
Nope, it's a Scientific "FACT" that radiometric dating is inaccurate and based on assumptions. Why does a "fact" like this need research? What is there to research about this fact?
I'll ask again.  Do you have anything to support that statement?  Because it very much looks like an opinion.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #232 on: August 09, 2017, 03:23:43 PM »
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?
It was never right to begin with. Prove it's right on millions/billions of years then I have a reason to provide proof. Until then, you can continue to believe in your pseudoscience
Then why did you say it was proven wrong?
True. Well spotted. But the fact remains. Radiometric dating is not an exact Science and the results cannot be classed as "fast" beyond doubt the way evolutionists state it as fact.
So, basically that's just your opinion, without any underlying logic, scientific explanation or let alone some actual research.
Nope, it's a Scientific "FACT" that radiometric dating is inaccurate and based on assumptions. Why does a "fact" like this need research? What is there to research about this fact?
I'll ask again.  Do you have anything to support that statement?  Because it very much looks like an opinion.
Unfortunately for you it's not an opinion. There's plenty of research available but the Scientific research is no good to you because it's from Scientists who believe in God. According to Darwinians aka Evolutionists, any Scientist who believes in God is not a Scientist although the belief in God is absolutely unrelated to Science. So any source I provide will instantly be dismissed as is the norm on these type of forums. Both parties provide information, both parties dismiss each other on grounds that are unrelated to the problem at hand and like it or not but Atheists have a tendency to dismiss EVERYTHING that opposes their religion. Yes, Christians do the same but they dismiss it on belief/faith, Darwinians dismiss it in the name of Science when it's Science that's debunking the very core of their belief.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #233 on: August 09, 2017, 03:26:23 PM »
I hate to break it to you, but plenty of scientists believe in God. Why is it so hard to believe that your God set off the big bang and let the universe unfold with the physical laws and parameters he instilled it with.
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #234 on: August 09, 2017, 04:37:29 PM »
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?
It was never right to begin with. Prove it's right on millions/billions of years then I have a reason to provide proof. Until then, you can continue to believe in your pseudoscience
Then why did you say it was proven wrong?
True. Well spotted. But the fact remains. Radiometric dating is not an exact Science and the results cannot be classed as "fast" beyond doubt the way evolutionists state it as fact.
So, basically that's just your opinion, without any underlying logic, scientific explanation or let alone some actual research.
Nope, it's a Scientific "FACT" that radiometric dating is inaccurate and based on assumptions. Why does a "fact" like this need research? What is there to research about this fact?
I'll ask again.  Do you have anything to support that statement?  Because it very much looks like an opinion.
Unfortunately for you it's not an opinion. There's plenty of research available but the Scientific research is no good to you because it's from Scientists who believe in God. According to Darwinians aka Evolutionists, any Scientist who believes in God is not a Scientist although the belief in God is absolutely unrelated to Science. So any source I provide will instantly be dismissed as is the norm on these type of forums. Both parties provide information, both parties dismiss each other on grounds that are unrelated to the problem at hand and like it or not but Atheists have a tendency to dismiss EVERYTHING that opposes their religion. Yes, Christians do the same but they dismiss it on belief/faith, Darwinians dismiss it in the name of Science when it's Science that's debunking the very core of their belief.
That's bullshit.  I know respected scientists who believe in god.
Now how about you link us to some of that research that supports your statement?  Because so far you are just making claims with nothing to back it.  I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm just asking you to show the evidence you are basing it on.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #235 on: August 09, 2017, 05:09:45 PM »
You claimed carbon dating was proven wrong.  Why can't you show us when and how?
It was never right to begin with. Prove it's right on millions/billions of years then I have a reason to provide proof. Until then, you can continue to believe in your pseudoscience
Then why did you say it was proven wrong?
True. Well spotted. But the fact remains. Radiometric dating is not an exact Science and the results cannot be classed as "fast" beyond doubt the way evolutionists state it as fact.
So, basically that's just your opinion, without any underlying logic, scientific explanation or let alone some actual research.
Nope, it's a Scientific "FACT" that radiometric dating is inaccurate and based on assumptions. Why does a "fact" like this need research? What is there to research about this fact?
I'll ask again.  Do you have anything to support that statement?  Because it very much looks like an opinion.
Unfortunately for you it's not an opinion. There's plenty of research available but the Scientific research is no good to you because it's from Scientists who believe in God. According to Darwinians aka Evolutionists, any Scientist who believes in God is not a Scientist although the belief in God is absolutely unrelated to Science. So any source I provide will instantly be dismissed as is the norm on these type of forums. Both parties provide information, both parties dismiss each other on grounds that are unrelated to the problem at hand and like it or not but Atheists have a tendency to dismiss EVERYTHING that opposes their religion. Yes, Christians do the same but they dismiss it on belief/faith, Darwinians dismiss it in the name of Science when it's Science that's debunking the very core of their belief.
That's bullshit.  I know respected scientists who believe in god.
Now how about you link us to some of that research that supports your statement?  Because so far you are just making claims with nothing to back it.  I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm just asking you to show the evidence you are basing it on.
I wish it was bullshit. But we both know deep down it's not bullshit. Anyway, here's one link http://www.icr.org/creation-radiometric

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #236 on: August 09, 2017, 06:14:12 PM »
I wish it was bullshit. But we both know deep down it's not bullshit. Anyway, here's one link http://www.icr.org/creation-radiometric

Follow up studies to the "Solar influence on decay rate" study concluded that the original study used detectors that were influenced by outside disturbances. Follow up studies show no correlation between decay rate and seasonal cycles.

https://phys.org/news/2014-10-textbook-knowledge-reconfirmed-radioactive-substances.html

It is telling of ICR's bias that they haven't bothered to update their conclusions with these follow up studies. ICR's approach to "research" is fundamentally flawed. Their entire purpose is to push a particular worldview, not scientific knowledge in general, and they tend to ignore any study that contradicts that worldview.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #237 on: August 09, 2017, 07:28:31 PM »
Faint young sun paradox is a real thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faint_young_Sun_paradox

It shows we don't understand as much as some people think we do.

Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #238 on: August 09, 2017, 08:11:01 PM »
Faint young sun paradox is a real thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faint_young_Sun_paradox

It shows we don't understand as much as some people think we do.

"We don't know everything therefore we don't know anything" is not a good argument.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #239 on: August 09, 2017, 08:18:48 PM »
"We don't know everything therefore we don't know anything" is not a good argument.

It's a good thing that wasn't my argument then isn't it?

It shows we don't understand as much as some people think we do.

The more we discover the more we realise how much more there is to understand.
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