Evolution

Evolution is fact. It is only called theory in the sense that anything we know could not be true, however it is a true scientific theory as it is open to question and yet has not been disproved. I am willing to answer any questions you have on this topic.

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

Evolution suggests something evolves to better adapt to its environment in an advantageous way.

So answer me this.... What possible purpose are any of these freaks and why did evolution bring them this far. What is the point?



In seriousness I ask anyone who does not believe in evolution to answer the question why are natives to Africa black and Europe white? Bit of a coincidence that both bodies seem perfectly suited to their respective environments....

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

First I should make known that intelligence is relative. An ant may consider itself intelligent and just can't comprehend us. Also intelligence can also be based on survival needs. Octopi and certain birds have been shown to be able to solve problems in order to get food. The difference between us and them, is that we have been able to take ourselves out of the food chain, and so have had the past few thousand years to develop our brains.
We can even observe monkeys who are developing their own tools and using them. This gives us the insight that at some point we were monkeys just learning to use tools. These tools made hunting and shelters much easier to achieve. After generations of monkeys showing their offspring the tools, they began leaving the trees, learning how to stand on two legs and use tools as their main form of survival rather than their hands. They followed the herds of their prey over generations, and when they traveled to cold regions they made clothes. When they returned to warmer regions and still had clothes, there was no need for all their hair.
Hope this answers your question.

Evolution suggests something evolves to better adapt to its environment in an advantageous way.

So answer me this.... What possible purpose are any of these freaks and why did evolution bring them this far. What is the point?



In seriousness I ask anyone who does not believe in evolution to answer the question why are natives to Africa black and Europe white? Bit of a coincidence that both bodies seem perfectly suited to their respective environments....

Well obviously its form of survival has suited is for the past thousand years or it would not have survived. Like many other fish that dwell at the bottom of the ocean, it waits for the food to come to him, which apparently works and has suited it. Its ugly appearance has nothing to do with its survival. We are judging it from a human standpoint. To it, we might also be horrifying, not to mention one of the weakest creatures on the earth with the least survival techniques.

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

First I should make known that intelligence is relative. An ant may consider itself intelligent and just can't comprehend us. Also intelligence can also be based on survival needs. Octopi and certain birds have been shown to be able to solve problems in order to get food. The difference between us and them, is that we have been able to take ourselves out of the food chain, and so have had the past few thousand years to develop our brains.
We can even observe monkeys who are developing their own tools and using them. This gives us the insight that at some point we were monkeys just learning to use tools. These tools made hunting and shelters much easier to achieve. After generations of monkeys showing their offspring the tools, they began leaving the trees, learning how to stand on two legs and use tools as their main form of survival rather than their hands. They followed the herds of their prey over generations, and when they traveled to cold regions they made clothes. When they returned to warmer regions and still had clothes, there was no need for all their hair.
Hope this answers your question.

So, just because you realized that monkeys are intelligent, that gave you an insight and assumed we came from monkeys!

Did all other intelligent animals come from monkeys? > I'm sure you'd say no, so why assuming we did?
All animals have their own origins, or some might share the same. So, why couldn't we have our own?
Why do you intelligent people insist on degrading us to a lower level of species?

Listening to this type of thinking gives me an insight that maybe monkeys could've came from some humans with null for brains - those that did not appreciate what God has given them of intelligence!

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 01:12:20 AM

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

First I should make known that intelligence is relative. An ant may consider itself intelligent and just can't comprehend us. Also intelligence can also be based on survival needs. Octopi and certain birds have been shown to be able to solve problems in order to get food. The difference between us and them, is that we have been able to take ourselves out of the food chain, and so have had the past few thousand years to develop our brains.
We can even observe monkeys who are developing their own tools and using them. This gives us the insight that at some point we were monkeys just learning to use tools. These tools made hunting and shelters much easier to achieve. After generations of monkeys showing their offspring the tools, they began leaving the trees, learning how to stand on two legs and use tools as their main form of survival rather than their hands. They followed the herds of their prey over generations, and when they traveled to cold regions they made clothes. When they returned to warmer regions and still had clothes, there was no need for all their hair.
Hope this answers your question.

So, just because you realized that monkeys are intelligent, that gave you an insight and assumed we came from monkeys!

Did all other intelligent animals come from monkeys? > I'm sure you'd say no, so why assuming we did?
All animals have their own origins, or some might share the same. So, why couldn't we have our own?
Why do you intelligent people insist on degrading us to a lower level of species?

Listening to this type of thinking gives me an insight that maybe monkeys could've came from some humans with null for brains - those that did not appreciate what God has given them of intelligence!

There is no reason to assume that we are any different from any other species. There are, of course, other lines of evidence that show us our relationship with monkeys. We did not necessarily come from monkeys, but we have a common ancestor with monkeys. We have many things in common with monkeys such as opposable thumbs.
We do not want to degrade us or our existence, we only look at what the evidence points to.

In seriousness I ask anyone who does not believe in evolution to answer the question why are natives to Africa black and Europe white? Bit of a coincidence that both bodies seem perfectly suited to their respective environments....

RACE IS JUST A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT REEEEE

 .

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 01:53:59 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 01:12:20 AM

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

First I should make known that intelligence is relative. An ant may consider itself intelligent and just can't comprehend us. Also intelligence can also be based on survival needs. Octopi and certain birds have been shown to be able to solve problems in order to get food. The difference between us and them, is that we have been able to take ourselves out of the food chain, and so have had the past few thousand years to develop our brains.
We can even observe monkeys who are developing their own tools and using them. This gives us the insight that at some point we were monkeys just learning to use tools. These tools made hunting and shelters much easier to achieve. After generations of monkeys showing their offspring the tools, they began leaving the trees, learning how to stand on two legs and use tools as their main form of survival rather than their hands. They followed the herds of their prey over generations, and when they traveled to cold regions they made clothes. When they returned to warmer regions and still had clothes, there was no need for all their hair.
Hope this answers your question.

So, just because you realized that monkeys are intelligent, that gave you an insight and assumed we came from monkeys!

Did all other intelligent animals come from monkeys? > I'm sure you'd say no, so why assuming we did?
All animals have their own origins, or some might share the same. So, why couldn't we have our own?
Why do you intelligent people insist on degrading us to a lower level of species?

Listening to this type of thinking gives me an insight that maybe monkeys could've came from some humans with null for brains - those that did not appreciate what God has given them of intelligence!

There is no reason to assume that we are any different from any other species. There are, of course, other lines of evidence that show us our relationship with monkeys. We did not necessarily come from monkeys, but we have a common ancestor with monkeys. We have many things in common with monkeys such as opposable thumbs.
We do not want to degrade us or our existence, we only look at what the evidence points to.

Well, following your logic and assuming we share with monkeys some "relationship" - a common ancestor, why not assuming then that monkeys descended from us humans?

First, some humans descended to that common ancestor, then to monkeys! > you could loose some of your genetic properties, but how could you gain.

Since we are just assuming...

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 02:12:10 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 01:53:59 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 01:12:20 AM

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

First I should make known that intelligence is relative. An ant may consider itself intelligent and just can't comprehend us. Also intelligence can also be based on survival needs. Octopi and certain birds have been shown to be able to solve problems in order to get food. The difference between us and them, is that we have been able to take ourselves out of the food chain, and so have had the past few thousand years to develop our brains.
We can even observe monkeys who are developing their own tools and using them. This gives us the insight that at some point we were monkeys just learning to use tools. These tools made hunting and shelters much easier to achieve. After generations of monkeys showing their offspring the tools, they began leaving the trees, learning how to stand on two legs and use tools as their main form of survival rather than their hands. They followed the herds of their prey over generations, and when they traveled to cold regions they made clothes. When they returned to warmer regions and still had clothes, there was no need for all their hair.
Hope this answers your question.

So, just because you realized that monkeys are intelligent, that gave you an insight and assumed we came from monkeys!

Did all other intelligent animals come from monkeys? > I'm sure you'd say no, so why assuming we did?
All animals have their own origins, or some might share the same. So, why couldn't we have our own?
Why do you intelligent people insist on degrading us to a lower level of species?

Listening to this type of thinking gives me an insight that maybe monkeys could've came from some humans with null for brains - those that did not appreciate what God has given them of intelligence!

There is no reason to assume that we are any different from any other species. There are, of course, other lines of evidence that show us our relationship with monkeys. We did not necessarily come from monkeys, but we have a common ancestor with monkeys. We have many things in common with monkeys such as opposable thumbs.
We do not want to degrade us or our existence, we only look at what the evidence points to.

Well, following your logic and assuming we share with monkeys some "relationship" - a common ancestor, why not assuming then that monkeys descended from us humans?

First, some humans descended to that common ancestor, then to monkeys! > you could loose some of your genetic properties, but how could you gain.

Since we are just assuming...

Not sure where I said assuming... (Other than saying that we shouldn't)
At this point, it would be nearly impossible for a monkey to evolve from a human, as we control our environments so efficiently. Let me explain to you why we can say that this is not the case. A monkey would not evolve from a human, it would evolve from a common ancestor of a human. Not to mention (even though I am) the fact that in all the examples of all the transitional fossils found, none have suggested that monkeys have evolved from any type of human.

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

If I may rephrase Crutoniusses question (I think he meant it this way as well):
Why is there only a single self consious species on the planet?

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

If I may rephrase Crutoniusses question (I think he meant it this way as well):
Why is there only a single self consious species on the planet?

Because we are the image of God on earth - we are "creators" of our consciousness!
We are not His image in a physical form; we are His image in a conscious form!
No other species - not even the Angels can create their own consciousness.
We ascend with our conscious and not with our physical earthly body.

And you can only replicate the image of God in you by making the connection with God!

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 03:18:04 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 02:12:10 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 01:53:59 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 01:12:20 AM

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

First I should make known that intelligence is relative. An ant may consider itself intelligent and just can't comprehend us. Also intelligence can also be based on survival needs. Octopi and certain birds have been shown to be able to solve problems in order to get food. The difference between us and them, is that we have been able to take ourselves out of the food chain, and so have had the past few thousand years to develop our brains.
We can even observe monkeys who are developing their own tools and using them. This gives us the insight that at some point we were monkeys just learning to use tools. These tools made hunting and shelters much easier to achieve. After generations of monkeys showing their offspring the tools, they began leaving the trees, learning how to stand on two legs and use tools as their main form of survival rather than their hands. They followed the herds of their prey over generations, and when they traveled to cold regions they made clothes. When they returned to warmer regions and still had clothes, there was no need for all their hair.
Hope this answers your question.

So, just because you realized that monkeys are intelligent, that gave you an insight and assumed we came from monkeys!

Did all other intelligent animals come from monkeys? > I'm sure you'd say no, so why assuming we did?
All animals have their own origins, or some might share the same. So, why couldn't we have our own?
Why do you intelligent people insist on degrading us to a lower level of species?

Listening to this type of thinking gives me an insight that maybe monkeys could've came from some humans with null for brains - those that did not appreciate what God has given them of intelligence!

There is no reason to assume that we are any different from any other species. There are, of course, other lines of evidence that show us our relationship with monkeys. We did not necessarily come from monkeys, but we have a common ancestor with monkeys. We have many things in common with monkeys such as opposable thumbs.
We do not want to degrade us or our existence, we only look at what the evidence points to.

Well, following your logic and assuming we share with monkeys some "relationship" - a common ancestor, why not assuming then that monkeys descended from us humans?

First, some humans descended to that common ancestor, then to monkeys! > you could loose some of your genetic properties, but how could you gain.

Since we are just assuming...

Not sure where I said assuming... (Other than saying that we shouldn't)
At this point, it would be nearly impossible for a monkey to evolve from a human, as we control our environments so efficiently. Let me explain to you why we can say that this is not the case. A monkey would not evolve from a human, it would evolve from a common ancestor of a human. Not to mention (even though I am) the fact that in all the examples of all the transitional fossils found, none have suggested that monkeys have evolved from any type of human.

You are repeating what I said, then contradicting it!
I didn't say monkeys would directly evolve from humans but from the common ancestor that had descended from humans > if we follow your logic.

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

If I may rephrase Crutoniusses question (I think he meant it this way as well):
Why is there only a single self consious species on the planet?

Lots of other species are self conscious and sentient animals besides us: Bottle nose Dolphins, Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Elephants, orcas, pigs etc..
However we do seem to have a greater mental capacity and IQ than these, but they are still self aware.

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 03:37:33 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 03:18:04 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 02:12:10 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 01:53:59 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 01:12:20 AM

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

First I should make known that intelligence is relative. An ant may consider itself intelligent and just can't comprehend us. Also intelligence can also be based on survival needs. Octopi and certain birds have been shown to be able to solve problems in order to get food. The difference between us and them, is that we have been able to take ourselves out of the food chain, and so have had the past few thousand years to develop our brains.
We can even observe monkeys who are developing their own tools and using them. This gives us the insight that at some point we were monkeys just learning to use tools. These tools made hunting and shelters much easier to achieve. After generations of monkeys showing their offspring the tools, they began leaving the trees, learning how to stand on two legs and use tools as their main form of survival rather than their hands. They followed the herds of their prey over generations, and when they traveled to cold regions they made clothes. When they returned to warmer regions and still had clothes, there was no need for all their hair.
Hope this answers your question.

So, just because you realized that monkeys are intelligent, that gave you an insight and assumed we came from monkeys!

Did all other intelligent animals come from monkeys? > I'm sure you'd say no, so why assuming we did?
All animals have their own origins, or some might share the same. So, why couldn't we have our own?
Why do you intelligent people insist on degrading us to a lower level of species?

Listening to this type of thinking gives me an insight that maybe monkeys could've came from some humans with null for brains - those that did not appreciate what God has given them of intelligence!

There is no reason to assume that we are any different from any other species. There are, of course, other lines of evidence that show us our relationship with monkeys. We did not necessarily come from monkeys, but we have a common ancestor with monkeys. We have many things in common with monkeys such as opposable thumbs.
We do not want to degrade us or our existence, we only look at what the evidence points to.

Well, following your logic and assuming we share with monkeys some "relationship" - a common ancestor, why not assuming then that monkeys descended from us humans?

First, some humans descended to that common ancestor, then to monkeys! > you could loose some of your genetic properties, but how could you gain.

Since we are just assuming...

Not sure where I said assuming... (Other than saying that we shouldn't)
At this point, it would be nearly impossible for a monkey to evolve from a human, as we control our environments so efficiently. Let me explain to you why we can say that this is not the case. A monkey would not evolve from a human, it would evolve from a common ancestor of a human. Not to mention (even though I am) the fact that in all the examples of all the transitional fossils found, none have suggested that monkeys have evolved from any type of human.

You are repeating what I said, then contradicting it!
I didn't say monkeys would directly evolve from humans but from the common ancestor that had descended from humans > if we follow your logic.

Well if monkeys had evolved from humans (which they hadn't) then yes, it would be from a common ancestor.

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 03:56:52 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 03:37:33 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 03:18:04 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 02:12:10 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 01:53:59 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 01:12:20 AM

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

First I should make known that intelligence is relative. An ant may consider itself intelligent and just can't comprehend us. Also intelligence can also be based on survival needs. Octopi and certain birds have been shown to be able to solve problems in order to get food. The difference between us and them, is that we have been able to take ourselves out of the food chain, and so have had the past few thousand years to develop our brains.
We can even observe monkeys who are developing their own tools and using them. This gives us the insight that at some point we were monkeys just learning to use tools. These tools made hunting and shelters much easier to achieve. After generations of monkeys showing their offspring the tools, they began leaving the trees, learning how to stand on two legs and use tools as their main form of survival rather than their hands. They followed the herds of their prey over generations, and when they traveled to cold regions they made clothes. When they returned to warmer regions and still had clothes, there was no need for all their hair.
Hope this answers your question.

So, just because you realized that monkeys are intelligent, that gave you an insight and assumed we came from monkeys!

Did all other intelligent animals come from monkeys? > I'm sure you'd say no, so why assuming we did?
All animals have their own origins, or some might share the same. So, why couldn't we have our own?
Why do you intelligent people insist on degrading us to a lower level of species?

Listening to this type of thinking gives me an insight that maybe monkeys could've came from some humans with null for brains - those that did not appreciate what God has given them of intelligence!

There is no reason to assume that we are any different from any other species. There are, of course, other lines of evidence that show us our relationship with monkeys. We did not necessarily come from monkeys, but we have a common ancestor with monkeys. We have many things in common with monkeys such as opposable thumbs.
We do not want to degrade us or our existence, we only look at what the evidence points to.

Well, following your logic and assuming we share with monkeys some "relationship" - a common ancestor, why not assuming then that monkeys descended from us humans?

First, some humans descended to that common ancestor, then to monkeys! > you could loose some of your genetic properties, but how could you gain.

Since we are just assuming...

Not sure where I said assuming... (Other than saying that we shouldn't)
At this point, it would be nearly impossible for a monkey to evolve from a human, as we control our environments so efficiently. Let me explain to you why we can say that this is not the case. A monkey would not evolve from a human, it would evolve from a common ancestor of a human. Not to mention (even though I am) the fact that in all the examples of all the transitional fossils found, none have suggested that monkeys have evolved from any type of human.

You are repeating what I said, then contradicting it!
I didn't say monkeys would directly evolve from humans but from the common ancestor that had descended from humans > if we follow your logic.

Well if monkeys had evolved from humans (which they hadn't) then yes, it would be from a common ancestor.

So, you're confirming it's possible a common ancestor could've descended from humans and some monkeys/ apes were the result of that descentigration!

Wouldn't that also confirm the archaeological discoveries that linked us to that common ancestor, which scientists used to link us to apes?

So, it could've happened the other way around and not the Darwinian way! Couldn't it? > D-evolution?

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 03:58:30 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 03:56:52 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 03:37:33 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 03:18:04 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 02:12:10 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on May 02, 2017, 01:53:59 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 01:12:20 AM

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

First I should make known that intelligence is relative. An ant may consider itself intelligent and just can't comprehend us. Also intelligence can also be based on survival needs. Octopi and certain birds have been shown to be able to solve problems in order to get food. The difference between us and them, is that we have been able to take ourselves out of the food chain, and so have had the past few thousand years to develop our brains.
We can even observe monkeys who are developing their own tools and using them. This gives us the insight that at some point we were monkeys just learning to use tools. These tools made hunting and shelters much easier to achieve. After generations of monkeys showing their offspring the tools, they began leaving the trees, learning how to stand on two legs and use tools as their main form of survival rather than their hands. They followed the herds of their prey over generations, and when they traveled to cold regions they made clothes. When they returned to warmer regions and still had clothes, there was no need for all their hair.
Hope this answers your question.

So, just because you realized that monkeys are intelligent, that gave you an insight and assumed we came from monkeys!

Did all other intelligent animals come from monkeys? > I'm sure you'd say no, so why assuming we did?
All animals have their own origins, or some might share the same. So, why couldn't we have our own?
Why do you intelligent people insist on degrading us to a lower level of species?

Listening to this type of thinking gives me an insight that maybe monkeys could've came from some humans with null for brains - those that did not appreciate what God has given them of intelligence!

There is no reason to assume that we are any different from any other species. There are, of course, other lines of evidence that show us our relationship with monkeys. We did not necessarily come from monkeys, but we have a common ancestor with monkeys. We have many things in common with monkeys such as opposable thumbs.
We do not want to degrade us or our existence, we only look at what the evidence points to.

Well, following your logic and assuming we share with monkeys some "relationship" - a common ancestor, why not assuming then that monkeys descended from us humans?

First, some humans descended to that common ancestor, then to monkeys! > you could loose some of your genetic properties, but how could you gain.

Since we are just assuming...

Not sure where I said assuming... (Other than saying that we shouldn't)
At this point, it would be nearly impossible for a monkey to evolve from a human, as we control our environments so efficiently. Let me explain to you why we can say that this is not the case. A monkey would not evolve from a human, it would evolve from a common ancestor of a human. Not to mention (even though I am) the fact that in all the examples of all the transitional fossils found, none have suggested that monkeys have evolved from any type of human.

You are repeating what I said, then contradicting it!
I didn't say monkeys would directly evolve from humans but from the common ancestor that had descended from humans > if we follow your logic.

Well if monkeys had evolved from humans (which they hadn't) then yes, it would be from a common ancestor.

So, you're confirming it's possible a common ancestor could've descended from humans and some monkeys/ apes were the result of that descentigration!

Wouldn't that also confirm the archaeological discoveries that linked us to that common ancestor, which scientists used to link us to apes?

So, it could've happened the other way around and not the Darwinian way! Couldn't it? > D-evolution?

No. This could be thought, if it weren't for the ages of the rocks that the fossils were found. There are many ways of finding the age of rocks such as radiometric dating and uranium lead dating. Because fossils are not the actual remains, but impressions of the remains of the organisms. This means that these impressions were made at the age of the rock. This shows us a progression of the common ancestor of monkeys and men, through the ages, to the modern homo sapien.

Quote from: napoleon on May 02, 2017, 03:43:14 AM

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

If I may rephrase Crutoniusses question (I think he meant it this way as well):
Why is there only a single self consious species on the planet?

Lots of other species are self conscious and sentient animals besides us: Bottle nose Dolphins, Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Elephants, orcas, pigs etc..
However we do seem to have a greater mental capacity and IQ than these, but they are still self aware.

They are somewhat intelligent yes. But the difference between our intelligence and theirs is like the difference between throwing a bullet and shooting it. Maybe dolphins are a lot smarter than us. But they're not nuking us from orbit any time soon.

Please note I'm not anti evolution at all. I just haven't heard a good explanation on this intelligence gap yet.

Evolution does support intelligence as a survival strategy but have you ever seen such a singular disparity of this magnitude in all the animal kingdom? It would be like if spiders evolved the capability of producing venom. But one single species of spider evolved to hunt its prey with tomahawk missiles.

Quote from: Shifter on May 02, 2017, 01:07:04 AM

In seriousness I ask anyone who does not believe in evolution to answer the question why are natives to Africa black and Europe white? Bit of a coincidence that both bodies seem perfectly suited to their respective environments....

RACE IS JUST A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT REEEEE

 .

check your privilege shitlord

I saw an evolution thread and was moderately excited...Yet this is the first sentence. 

Evolution is fact.

You lost me here

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 03:57:15 AM

Quote from: napoleon on May 02, 2017, 03:43:14 AM

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

If I may rephrase Crutoniusses question (I think he meant it this way as well):
Why is there only a single self consious species on the planet?

Lots of other species are self conscious and sentient animals besides us: Bottle nose Dolphins, Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Elephants, orcas, pigs etc..
However we do seem to have a greater mental capacity and IQ than these, but they are still self aware.

They are somewhat intelligent yes. But the difference between our intelligence and theirs is like the difference between throwing a bullet and shooting it. Maybe dolphins are a lot smarter than us. But they're not nuking us from orbit any time soon.

Please note I'm not anti evolution at all. I just haven't heard a good explanation on this intelligence gap yet.

Evolution does support intelligence as a survival strategy but have you ever seen such a singular disparity of this magnitude in all the animal kingdom? It would be like if spiders evolved the capability of producing venom. But one single species of spider evolved to hunt its prey with tomahawk missiles.

Being able to recognize ones self in a mirror ( which a dolphin supposedly can) is much different that being sentient or "self aware".

There is no need for intelligence in evolution, the supposed process itself has no intelligence, no desire to create or anything of the such.

In all reality what species would you rather be for survival? Humans or cockroaches? Evolution would choose a cockroach...Breeds faster, body is almost indestructible, can eat anything and everything etc etc etc. Simply physical traits trumps mental all day long if the evolution story were true.

However, with that said, why would evolution choose to push a single celled organism further? There is no purpose..

Plus what wrote the laws on evolution? It didn't just exist or appear...

I see code that was already written, and is made to adhere to a plethora of laws. Seeing we cannot produce anything further than adaptions, and ever time we see information added it is degenerative, I feel solace in my decision.

People want to have faith, no problem...Just don't pass it as fact, it confuses people who won't research or think for themselves

Being able to recognize ones self in a mirror ( which a dolphin supposedly can) is much different that being sentient or "self aware".

@Bhs and @Hannibal
How would you guys define "sentient" and "consciousness"?
IF all our thoughts etc. were created in our brain by neural cells - would consciousness be possible?

There is no need for intelligence in evolution, the supposed process itself has no intelligence, no desire to create or anything of the such.

You wrote this in the other thread already, but seemingly you missed my answer:
Evolution has no "need" or "desire". Evolution is a process; it has no desire to create intelligence neither has it a desire to not create intelligence.

In all reality what species would you rather be for survival? Humans or cockroaches? Evolution would choose a cockroach...Breeds faster, body is almost indestructible, can eat anything and everything etc etc etc. Simply physical traits trumps mental all day long if the evolution story were true.

Looking around, I'm pretty sure we humans are doing really well at surviving currently. Anyway, evolution is not as simple as you may think, it has a lot to do with niches, coincidence and natural selection.

However, with that said, why would evolution choose to push a single celled organism further? There is no purpose..

As I have said, evolution does not "choose", it's a process that just happens and is limited by physical boundaries but not by "purpose" or "choice".

Plus what wrote the laws on evolution? It didn't just exist or appear...

I'm not sure what you mean with that, but I think "laws on evolution" would just be made by humans to describe a natural process.
If you want to go deep, you're getting into philosophy (why is gravitation attracting? Why are our physical laws true?).

I see code that was already written, and is made to adhere to a plethora of laws. Seeing we cannot produce anything further than adaptions, and ever time we see information added it is degenerative, I feel solace in my decision.

Source?
E.g. in the metabolic cycle we do have enzymes that are very simlair to those in "simpler" organisms, but ours are a bit more complex and thus efficient. How would you explain that, except for added information?
(Right now I cannot give you a source on that, but I'm sure you can find stuff about it on google. Or maybe I'll search for it later if you want and if I find time for doing so)
Some super simple change of DNA that results in an evolutionary advantage would be sickle cell anemia.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on May 02, 2017, 08:39:49 AM

Being able to recognize ones self in a mirror ( which a dolphin supposedly can) is much different that being sentient or "self aware".

@Bhs and @Hannibal
How would you guys define "sentient" and "consciousness"?
IF all our thoughts etc. were created in our brain by neural cells - would consciousness be possible?

Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, and to have subjective experiences. > Awareness is then developed - sense data can be confirmed by a being without necessarily implying understanding. > Consciousness – an ignited, robust, internally stable awareness of one's own sense of values derived through abstract thought processes that are capable of adapting to and integrating with functionally similar processes in a wider range.

Reaching that level of awareness, one have become a creator of his own consciousness – you are no longer just a sentient being – you have evolved to have become a conscious being; capable of processing your experiences and not being subjective to it.

Instincts are God given abilities to all sentient beings to give them awareness, while consciousness is our acceptance and appreciation to what God has given us of abilities and values!

Time to cut through all the bullshit. Here is direct proof of evolution. You can see it in action over the course of 11 days.



1. A large petri dish is coated with various doses of antibiotics. The outside edge has no antibiotics. The lethality of the antibiotics progresses as it gets near the center of the petri dish.
2. The bacteria is placed on the edges of the petri dish without antibiotics.
3. Over the course of 11 days, you can watch the antibiotics progress to the middle of the dish as it evolves resistance to the antibiotics. You can even directly observe the little tree of life that it creates.

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 03:57:15 AM

Quote from: napoleon on May 02, 2017, 03:43:14 AM

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

If I may rephrase Crutoniusses question (I think he meant it this way as well):
Why is there only a single self consious species on the planet?

Lots of other species are self conscious and sentient animals besides us: Bottle nose Dolphins, Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Elephants, orcas, pigs etc..
However we do seem to have a greater mental capacity and IQ than these, but they are still self aware.

They are somewhat intelligent yes. But the difference between our intelligence and theirs is like the difference between throwing a bullet and shooting it. Maybe dolphins are a lot smarter than us. But they're not nuking us from orbit any time soon.

Please note I'm not anti evolution at all. I just haven't heard a good explanation on this intelligence gap yet.

Evolution does support intelligence as a survival strategy but have you ever seen such a singular disparity of this magnitude in all the animal kingdom? It would be like if spiders evolved the capability of producing venom. But one single species of spider evolved to hunt its prey with tomahawk missiles.

I'm no biology expert, but these were an interesting read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_human_intelligence#Models

My take on it is that the capacity for complex language, and the opportunity to pass down knowledge to successive generations is what makes our intelligence truly unique. If you take away those two things, are we really that much more intelligent than some other animals like dolphins, chimps, and octopi (octopuses... octopussies... octopeds...)?

Quote from: Shifter on May 02, 2017, 01:07:04 AM

Evolution suggests something evolves to better adapt to its environment in an advantageous way.

So answer me this.... What possible purpose are any of these freaks and why did evolution bring them this far. What is the point?



In seriousness I ask anyone who does not believe in evolution to answer the question why are natives to Africa black and Europe white? Bit of a coincidence that both bodies seem perfectly suited to their respective environments....

Well obviously its form of survival has suited is for the past thousand years or it would not have survived. Like many other fish that dwell at the bottom of the ocean, it waits for the food to come to him, which apparently works and has suited it. Its ugly appearance has nothing to do with its survival. We are judging it from a human standpoint. To it, we might also be horrifying, not to mention one of the weakest creatures on the earth with the least survival techniques.

The poor fish doesn't actually look like that. It only gets that way when it is taken away from its high pressure environment. Don't be so judgmental 

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on May 02, 2017, 03:57:15 AM

Quote from: napoleon on May 02, 2017, 03:43:14 AM

Quote from: crutonius on May 02, 2017, 12:59:57 AM

Why is there only a single intelligent species on the planet?

If I may rephrase Crutoniusses question (I think he meant it this way as well):
Why is there only a single self consious species on the planet?

Lots of other species are self conscious and sentient animals besides us: Bottle nose Dolphins, Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Elephants, orcas, pigs etc..
However we do seem to have a greater mental capacity and IQ than these, but they are still self aware.

They are somewhat intelligent yes. But the difference between our intelligence and theirs is like the difference between throwing a bullet and shooting it. Maybe dolphins are a lot smarter than us. But they're not nuking us from orbit any time soon.

Please note I'm not anti evolution at all. I just haven't heard a good explanation on this intelligence gap yet.

Evolution does support intelligence as a survival strategy but have you ever seen such a singular disparity of this magnitude in all the animal kingdom? It would be like if spiders evolved the capability of producing venom. But one single species of spider evolved to hunt its prey with tomahawk missiles.

Why are elephants so big compared to other land animals?

"It would be like if spiders evolved the capability of producing venom. But one single species of spider evolved to hunt its prey with tomahawk missiles."

What?

"Maybe dolphins are a lot smarter than us. But they're not nuking us from orbit any time soon."

What can a dolphin MAKE? What would you be able to make if you were a dolphin? It's not just intelligence, it's a combination of numerous other factors as well.

"have you ever seen such a singular disparity of this magnitude in all the animal kingdom?"

Sort of. But the thing is, if it hadn't happened, would you be here wondering why it happened?

That being said, there are many proposed models. Some scientists think that after humans reached a level of intelligence high enough to make a big difference to their struggle for survival (being able to make sophisticated tools), it took off from there, because of how great the benefits were.

Time to cut through all the bullshit. Here is direct proof of evolution. You can see it in action over the course of 11 days.

Yes, adaptation...Micro evolution whatever you want to call it. But you don't need highly educated scientist to tell you this. Any "old Farmers" can tell you the same... As well as a sheep is a sheep and a duck is a duck.

Can keep trying to loop macro evolution with adaptation all you want, but there is simply a belief for such thing, not evidence.

Believe what you want, just don't claim it as fact

Quote from: TotesReptilian on May 02, 2017, 12:22:04 PM

Time to cut through all the bullshit. Here is direct proof of evolution. You can see it in action over the course of 11 days.

Yes, adaptation...Micro evolution whatever you want to call it. But you don't need highly educated scientist to tell you this. Any "old Farmers" can tell you the same... As well as a sheep is a sheep and a duck is a duck.

Can keep trying to loop macro evolution with adaptation all you want, but there is simply a belief for such thing, not evidence.

Believe what you want, just don't claim it as fact

Don't do that. It's annoying. Even speciation through natural selection has been observed, but creationists don't like that either. "I don't care if they can't interbreed, looks like a fly to me, I won't believe you unless you show me a chicken turning into a flying triple headed hydra over the span of a few weeks! Btw, don't you dare show me some dumb shit like a porcupine turning into a majestic 15 meter sea horse, I repeat, I will only believe you if you show me A CHICKEN TURNING INTO A FLYING TRIPLE HEADED HYDRA!!!".

^^^LOL^^^

As I said to you "evolutionists" since we are throwing everyone in a box like that.

Believe what you want , but don't claim it as fact.

Fyi, I have said it before, my issue with evolution has nothing to do with my beliefs elsewhere