Picture from the edge?

Look I’m not a scientist. I’m just a guy who finds the idea of a flat earth a little preposterous. I thought this whole thing was settled. Now, in 2017, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I find there are people who assert that the earth is flat. This strikes me as an extraordinary claim. I’m paraphrasing, but I think someone once said that “extraordinary claims required extraordinary proof”.

And it seems like proving earth flat should be fairly easy. I have an idea. Here’s one way to unequivocally prove the earth is flat. Please let me know if my reasoning is faulty.

1)   If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.
2)   If so then all you have to do is travel to the edge and take a picture or video.
3)   Show that picture or video to the world as proof.

Case closed right? Now I guess you could state that even if you took a picture of the edge of the world some might claim (as FE’s claim) that the picture has been doctored. An alternative solution would be to provide GPS coordinates of where you were standing when you took the pic so it could be independently verified. Has anyone done this?

Am I off on this? What am I missing?

Are you guys just messing with people for a laugh or is this serious?

You would be shot and killed before you reached the edge. Antarctica is patrolled by the US military 24/7 to keep the "environment safe". Also GPS does not work at the north pole and near the edges of flat Earth.

Oh. Is it? Wow. Good to know. Which branch? Where are they stationed? Why is it just the US military? I mean if a government agency is going to patrol the entire circumference of a flat planet in order to keep people from proving its flat, wouldn’t that require a massive military presence? Someone might notice that.

Seems like what you’re really saying is that proof cannot be provided in this form. OK

“That which can be asserted without proof can also be dismissed without proof”.

You would be shot and killed before you reached the edge. Antarctica is patrolled by the US military 24/7 to keep the "environment safe". Also GPS does not work at the north pole and near the edges of flat Earth.

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

1)   If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.
2)   If so then all you have to do is travel to the edge and take a picture or video.
3)   Show that picture or video to the world as proof.

1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.
2)    (#1)
3)    (#1)

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 08:15:04 AM

1)   If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.
2)   If so then all you have to do is travel to the edge and take a picture or video.
3)   Show that picture or video to the world as proof.

1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.
2)    (#1)
3)    (#1)

Are you asserting the land mass of planet earth is infinite? What proof have you? Seriously?

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 09:24:08 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 08:15:04 AM

1)   If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.
2)   If so then all you have to do is travel to the edge and take a picture or video.
3)   Show that picture or video to the world as proof.

1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.
2)    (#1)
3)    (#1)

Are you asserting the land mass of planet earth is infinite? What proof have you? Seriously?

My theory is that all FE believers will eventually come to the realization of the infinite earth.  In that case, they don't have to provide any evidence. 

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 09:26:49 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 09:24:08 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 08:15:04 AM

1)   If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.
2)   If so then all you have to do is travel to the edge and take a picture or video.
3)   Show that picture or video to the world as proof.

My theory is that all FE believers will eventually come to the realization of the infinite earth.  In that case, they don't have to provide any evidence. 


1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.
2)    (#1)
3)    (#1)

Are you asserting the land mass of planet earth is infinite? What proof have you? Seriously?

This is the only flat proof they have - some say we are still in the last ice-age which had started over 100,000 years ago, but they are afraid to tell us so > I will not freak out if that were true!

You would be shot and killed before you reached the edge. Antarctica is patrolled by the US military 24/7 to keep the "environment safe". Also GPS does not work at the north pole and near the edges of flat Earth.

The "US miltary" ? I thought it was NASA ?

 Could you sail far enough off the coast of the edge to be safe, but close enough to keep the edge in sight, even with a telescope ? Do they have armed patrol boats or long range coastal gun emplacements around the edge to prevent anyone from even getting within sight of the edge ? Could it be there is a Top Secret Fleet....maybe NASA, the US or even the UN patrolling the edge ?

After all, the ice wall is said to be 150 feet high, but how do they know this ?
The only evidence I have seen is in Rowbotham's writing. Where did he get his information ?
Did he see it himself ? As far as I have read, he never had been out of England ?
The only account is of an ice shelf on Antarctica. And flat earthers claim the map of Antarctica, (as a Continent) showing these ice shelfs (several of them, but not a continuous ice wall) is a fake ?

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 09:26:49 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 09:24:08 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 08:15:04 AM

1)   If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.
2)   If so then all you have to do is travel to the edge and take a picture or video.
3)   Show that picture or video to the world as proof.

1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.
2)    (#1)
3)    (#1)

Are you asserting the land mass of planet earth is infinite? What proof have you? Seriously?

My theory is that all FE believers will eventually come to the realization of the infinite earth.  In that case, they don't have to provide any evidence.

Yes. You. Would.

You very well would have to prove the existence of an infinite landmass. "Coming to the realization" of something, and proving it's existence are different things.

I highly doubt any such proof will ever be forthcoming.

I cannot believe I'm wasting my time with this conspiracy-theory, tin-foil hat, madness. But I'm not sure why I expected something other.

I cannot believe I'm wasting my time with this conspiracy-theory, tin-foil hat, madness.

But I'm not sure why I expected something other.

It's absolutely typical.

You and others come here and discover that people enjoy exploring thoughts and ideas that are new to you. You and others are confused and frustrated by this activity.
You and others lash out against this Society for a variety of reasons.
None of those reasons have anything to do with us.

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 10:18:40 AM

I cannot believe I'm wasting my time with this conspiracy-theory, tin-foil hat, madness.

But I'm not sure why I expected something other.

It's absolutely typical.

You and others come here and discover that people enjoy exploring thoughts and ideas that are new to you. You and others are confused and frustrated by this activity.
You and others lash out against this Society for a variety of reasons.
None of those reasons have anything to do with us.

These thoughts and ideas are not new. Humanity believed the earth was flat for thousands of years before we learned it wasn't.

And you're right about one thing, what is new is the idea of people willfully sticking their heads in the sand in order to make the universe conform to their beliefs using the flimsiest of non-arguments and delusions. It is actually shockingly myopic. "Frustration" doesn't begin to cover it.

FYI - You are not a society. You are a fringe movement. You are a fringe movement for a reason. That reason being you do have not proof for your absurd claims.

Those reasons have everything to do with you. Own it.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 10:40:13 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 10:18:40 AM

I cannot believe I'm wasting my time with this conspiracy-theory, tin-foil hat, madness.

But I'm not sure why I expected something other.

It's absolutely typical.

You and others come here and discover that people enjoy exploring thoughts and ideas that are new to you. You and others are confused and frustrated by this activity.
You and others lash out against this Society for a variety of reasons.
None of those reasons have anything to do with us.

These thoughts and ideas are not new. Humanity believed the earth was flat for thousands of years before we learned it wasn't.

And you're right about one thing, what is new is the idea of people willfully sticking their heads in the sand in order to make the universe conform to their beliefs using the flimsiest of non-arguments and delusions. It is actually shockingly myopic. "Frustration" doesn't begin to cover it.

FYI - You are not a society. You are a fringe movement. You are a fringe movement for a reason. That reason being you do have not proof for your absurd claims.

Those reasons have everything to do with you. Own it.

How do you feel about high frequency stock trading?

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 10:48:03 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 10:40:13 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 10:18:40 AM

I cannot believe I'm wasting my time with this conspiracy-theory, tin-foil hat, madness.

But I'm not sure why I expected something other.

It's absolutely typical.

You and others come here and discover that people enjoy exploring thoughts and ideas that are new to you. You and others are confused and frustrated by this activity.
You and others lash out against this Society for a variety of reasons.
None of those reasons have anything to do with us.

These thoughts and ideas are not new. Humanity believed the earth was flat for thousands of years before we learned it wasn't.

And you're right about one thing, what is new is the idea of people willfully sticking their heads in the sand in order to make the universe conform to their beliefs using the flimsiest of non-arguments and delusions. It is actually shockingly myopic. "Frustration" doesn't begin to cover it.

FYI - You are not a society. You are a fringe movement. You are a fringe movement for a reason. That reason being you do have not proof for your absurd claims.

Those reasons have everything to do with you. Own it.

How do you feel about high frequency stock trading?

I feel like it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 10:52:09 AM

How do you feel about high frequency stock trading?

I feel like it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Much like your current tirade?

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 11:10:23 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 10:52:09 AM

How do you feel about high frequency stock trading?

I feel like it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Much like your current tirade?

Ok then, let's get back on point. Read the OP then explain why it is or is not feasible. The floor is yours.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 11:18:08 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 11:10:23 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 10:52:09 AM

How do you feel about high frequency stock trading?

I feel like it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Much like your current tirade?

Ok then, let's get back on point. Read the OP then explain why it is or is not feasible. The floor is yours.

I did . . . . . . . . .

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 08:15:04 AM

1)   If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.
2)   If so then all you have to do is travel to the edge and take a picture or video.
3)   Show that picture or video to the world as proof.

1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.
2)    (#1)
3)    (#1)

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 11:21:25 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 11:18:08 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 11:10:23 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 10:52:09 AM

How do you feel about high frequency stock trading?

I feel like it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Much like your current tirade?

Ok then, let's get back on point. Read the OP then explain why it is or is not feasible. The floor is yours.

I did . . . . . . . . .

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 09:24:08 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 08:15:04 AM

1)   If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.
2)   If so then all you have to do is travel to the edge and take a picture or video.
3)   Show that picture or video to the world as proof.

1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.
2)    (#1)
3)    (#1)

Yes. But you provided no proof for your claim. Again, I need make no argument in order to dismiss it. The burden of proof for a flat earth lies entirely on the shoulders of the those asserting it's existence. You have done nothing but advanced a baseless idea. I have dismissed it as such. Try again. The floor is yours. 

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 11:21:25 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 11:18:08 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 11:10:23 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 10:52:09 AM

How do you feel about high frequency stock trading?

I feel like it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Much like your current tirade?

Ok then, let's get back on point. Read the OP then explain why it is or is not feasible. The floor is yours.

I did . . . . . . . . .

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 09:24:08 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 08:15:04 AM

1)   If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.
2)   If so then all you have to do is travel to the edge and take a picture or video.
3)   Show that picture or video to the world as proof.

1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.
2)    (#1)
3)    (#1)

Lol you sound like Junker

But you provided no proof for your claim.

I did not make a claim.  Herewith:

1)    If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.

1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.

Notice we each used the same conjunction?

You appear to be projecting rules upon my script
that you are not obligated to follow.

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 11:29:19 AM

But you provided no proof for your claim.

I did not make a claim.  Herewith:

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 08:15:04 AM

1)    If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 09:24:08 AM

1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.

Notice we each used the same conjunction?

You appear to be projecting rules upon my script
that you are not obligated to follow.

Splitting hairs over semantics doesn't get you off the hook. You inferred the landmass of earth was infinite in order to circumvent the need for an edge.

I'm not playing that game.

If, in fact, the earth is infinite then by all means begin walking in one direction until you reach a point where no one has been then report back.

Absurd. Next.

You inferred the landmass of earth was infinite in order to circumvent the need for an edge.

Absurd. Next.

Inferred? Sure that's what you want to say?

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 12:11:07 PM

You inferred the landmass of earth was infinite in order to circumvent the need for an edge.

Absurd. Next.

Inferred? Sure that's what you want to say?

Inferred? Implied? These banal quips about language do you a disservice. Don't try to obfuscate. Provide supporting evidence for your fairy-tale assertion or concede.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 12:21:44 PM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 12:11:07 PM

You inferred the landmass of earth was infinite in order to circumvent the need for an edge.

Absurd. Next.

Inferred? Sure that's what you want to say?

Inferred? Implied? These banal quips about language do you a disservice. Don't try to obfuscate. Provide supporting evidence for your fairy-tale assertion or concede.

I did not make an assertion. You sound frustrated.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 11:25:32 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 11:21:25 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 11:18:08 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 11:10:23 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 10:52:09 AM

How do you feel about high frequency stock trading?

I feel like it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Much like your current tirade?

Ok then, let's get back on point. Read the OP then explain why it is or is not feasible. The floor is yours.

I did . . . . . . . . .

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 09:24:08 AM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 08:15:04 AM

1)   If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.
2)   If so then all you have to do is travel to the edge and take a picture or video.
3)   Show that picture or video to the world as proof.

1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.
2)    (#1)
3)    (#1)

Lol you sound like Junker

I agree...

Flat Earth "theory" is actually a tossed salad collection of conspiracy theories, junk science, and ignoring (ignorance) of facts. There is no logic to it but circular arguments or arguments that dead end with "they won't tell us" or "no one knows."

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 12:29:46 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 12:21:44 PM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 12:11:07 PM

You inferred the landmass of earth was infinite in order to circumvent the need for an edge.

Absurd. Next.

Inferred? Sure that's what you want to say?

Inferred? Implied? These banal quips about language do you a disservice. Don't try to obfuscate. Provide supporting evidence for your fairy-tale assertion or concede.

I did not make an assertion. You sound frustrated.

If I sound frustrated it's because I don't have much patience for liars.

"My theory is that all FE believers will eventually come to the realization of the infinite earth. "

You made that assertion. This isn't about how I feel at all. It's about your inability to provide proof of your claim. Provide said proof or concede.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 12:57:31 PM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 12:29:46 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 12:21:44 PM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 12:11:07 PM

You inferred the landmass of earth was infinite in order to circumvent the need for an edge.

Absurd. Next.

Inferred? Sure that's what you want to say?

Inferred? Implied? These banal quips about language do you a disservice. Don't try to obfuscate. Provide supporting evidence for your fairy-tale assertion or concede.

I did not make an assertion. You sound frustrated.

If I sound frustrated it's because I don't have much patience for liars.

"My theory is that all FE believers will eventually come to the realization of the infinite earth. "

You made that assertion. This isn't about how I feel at all. It's about your inability to provide proof of your claim. Provide said proof or concede.

Do you mean this quote? . . .

My theory is that all FE believers will eventually come to the realization of the infinite earth.  In that case, they don't have to provide any evidence.

I await your apology.

You would be shot and killed before you reached the edge. Antarctica is patrolled by the US military 24/7 to keep the "environment safe". Also GPS does not work at the north pole and near the edges of flat Earth.

GPS works pretty much everywhere. Including the poles.

Antartica is not patrolled by the US military.
Anyone is free to go there (except for military purposes). No one will stop you, they might advise you against it, but they aren't permitted to stop you.

So no, you would not be shot and killed.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 12:05:07 PM

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 11:29:19 AM

But you provided no proof for your claim.

I did not make a claim.  Herewith:

Quote from: jamesrohr1 on April 27, 2017, 08:15:04 AM

1)    If the earth is flat, like a saucer, then it has an end point, an edge.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 09:24:08 AM

1)    If Flat Earth is infinite, there would be no end point or edge.

Notice we each used the same conjunction?

You appear to be projecting rules upon my script
that you are not obligated to follow.

Splitting hairs over semantics doesn't get you off the hook. You inferred the landmass of earth was infinite in order to circumvent the need for an edge.

I'm not playing that game.

If, in fact, the earth is infinite then by all means begin walking in one direction until you reach a point where no one has been then report back.

Absurd. Next.

No, he didn't.
He pointed out that your claim relied upon assumptions that not all FE believers accepts.

You assumed the FE was finite in order to claim there is an edge that should be visible.