For all you Atheist and Spherical Earther’s - Does the bible have a lie

Quote from: Canadabear on April 24, 2017, 11:09:51 AM

what is your education and what do you do for living?

I have already posted up everything along with proof (customized to the request of certain posters) to back it up (which I am only one of two people to do that here I am aware of)...False prophet's comments is a prime example of an athiest nature, no matter what evidence is provided, it will be rejected if it doesn't meet the mold...(I am supposed to be an ignorant, uneducated loser for example)

If you care, I can share again...Though my whole point was to say I have read just a few "scientific" books in my time.

yes post again you real testable prove that a being exist that you call god
also i really like to know what you do for living

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no not a handbook we only use our common sense and think critical and do not believe any magical bullshit that is written over 1000 years ago.

So they just create their own fairytale and call it a fact lol. Least I admit mine is a belief based off circumstantial evidence.

your believe is only based on non real ideas

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and how do you normally address questions for evidence for you claims?

Not by belittling people...Even when attacked I try to restrain until I lose my patience.

ok you loose your patience as soon you are ask to show evidence to your believe

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that is the way you religious people think, simply throw away the evidence that does not fit to your believe.
if you want to do that than you also have to throw out all the religious speculations.
for example: my point with the 8 person for taking care of all the animals, the argument that ark believers than come up is that god led the animals sleep and therefore they did not to be feed and their shit did not be taken care of.
that is also speculation and than has to be thrown out.

there are evidence that a ark is impossible, that it is possible is only written in a over 1000 year old book.

What did this rant have to do with the fact you said we know how the Egyptians built the pyramids when we do not?

i related to the topic above that was about the ark to show that the bible is incorrect and a ship according to that description is not possible. not possible to build and to maintain.

Quote from: FalseProphet on April 24, 2017, 12:51:23 PM

You posted your tax returns?

Lol...What? I guess we are talking about two different things here?

We were talking about profession and education

tell us your profession and education

What did this rant have to do with the fact you said we know how the Egyptians built the pyramids when we do not?

You're making it sound as if the way the pyramids were built is something magical. Come on, it's extraordinary, but there are many theories as to how they were built, and they would be relatively easy to build with modern technology. It's just that no one ever tried it. Yes, we don't know exactly how they were built, because WE WEREN'T THERE. We can speculate though.

Are "middle ground" christians so uncommon?

I have said I am not a young earth creationist.. I see no evidence for it in the Bible. The beginning periods timing was too ambiguous.

Would that be middle ground?

Quote from: TotesReptilian on April 24, 2017, 01:05:38 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 12:43:02 PM

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Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 12:34:17 PM

I don't get this. I haven't met many christians who still believe in Noah's ark, or Adam and Eve, or are creationists in real life. This feels very weird, it seems like every christian here is adamant in his belief of these tales.

Apparently you have not had a lot of contact with Christians in America.

No I haven't. But I've had plenty of contact with christians in general (almost everyone I know).

A large portion of Christians in America are Evangelical, who tend to take the Bible very literally. They generally believe in all those things.

Are "middle ground" christians so uncommon?

There are those but the hard core Bible thumpers are particularly noisy so it seems like they're the norm.  Objectively we do have a lot more of these crazies than other countries.



There we are sandwiched between the intellectual powerhouses of Latvia and Turkey.

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 01:13:39 PM

Are "middle ground" christians so uncommon?

I have said I am not a young earth creationist.. I see no evidence for it in the Bible. The beginning periods timing was too ambiguous.

Would that be middle ground?

Actually you're a weird type of person, I don't even know if you qualify as a "christian"...

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 01:13:39 PM

Quote from: TotesReptilian on April 24, 2017, 01:05:38 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 12:43:02 PM

Quote from: crutonius on April 24, 2017, 12:37:31 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 12:34:17 PM

I don't get this. I haven't met many christians who still believe in Noah's ark, or Adam and Eve, or are creationists in real life. This feels very weird, it seems like every christian here is adamant in his belief of these tales.

Apparently you have not had a lot of contact with Christians in America.

No I haven't. But I've had plenty of contact with christians in general (almost everyone I know).

A large portion of Christians in America are Evangelical, who tend to take the Bible very literally. They generally believe in all those things.

Are "middle ground" christians so uncommon?

There are those but the hard core Bible thumpers are particularly noisy so it seems like they're the norm.  Objectively we do have a lot more of these crazies than other countries.



There we are sandwiched between the intellectual powerhouses of Latvia and Turkey.

YAY we scored better than you!!!

But still sorta lame...

Quote from: TotesReptilian on April 24, 2017, 01:05:38 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 12:43:02 PM

Quote from: crutonius on April 24, 2017, 12:37:31 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 12:34:17 PM

I don't get this. I haven't met many christians who still believe in Noah's ark, or Adam and Eve, or are creationists in real life. This feels very weird, it seems like every christian here is adamant in his belief of these tales.

Apparently you have not had a lot of contact with Christians in America.

No I haven't. But I've had plenty of contact with christians in general (almost everyone I know).

A large portion of Christians in America are Evangelical, who tend to take the Bible very literally. They generally believe in all those things.

Are "middle ground" christians so uncommon?

They are more common among Catholics and more liberal denominations, which there are also plenty of.

As with any religion, there are those who are more serious about it, and those who are just along for the ride. If you are a part of an Evangelical congregation and you don't believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis, then you probably aren't going to say so loudly.

Even crutonius, whom I have respect for has fallen into the trap.

There we are sandwiched between the intellectual powerhouses of Latvia and Turkey.

If you don't believe in evolution then you are an ignorant fool....

Such a shame, it's the Catholic Church of Science.

Though seeing crutonius say this has depressed me

Actually you're a weird type of person, I don't even know if you qualify as a "christian"...

I take that as a compliment 

Even crutonius, whom I have respect for has fallen into the trap.

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There we are sandwiched between the intellectual powerhouses of Latvia and Turkey.

If you don't believe in evolution then you are an ignorant fool....

Such a shame, it's the Catholic Church of Science.

Though seeing crutonius say this has depressed me

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 01:26:12 PM

Actually you're a weird type of person, I don't even know if you qualify as a "christian"...

I take that as a compliment 

Up until now I haven't been aware of your views on evolution. I'm assuming you have an objection to it? 

The thing is as far as I can tell evolution isn't incompatible with Christianity.  Unless we're interpreting Genesis as literal but I don't think it's reasonable to interpret Genesis literally. 

Even crutonius, whom I have respect for has fallen into the trap.

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There we are sandwiched between the intellectual powerhouses of Latvia and Turkey.

If you don't believe in evolution then you are an ignorant fool....

Such a shame, it's the Catholic Church of Science.

Though seeing crutonius say this has depressed me

Well, to be fair, I don't think I've ever seen a good argument against evolution other than it contradicts a literal interpretation of Genesis. It's basically on the same tier as believing the earth is flat, except less politically incorrect.

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 01:26:12 PM

Actually you're a weird type of person, I don't even know if you qualify as a "christian"...

I take that as a compliment 

Well, I didn't intend it as a compliment, but I didn't intend it as anything derogatory either. It was neutral.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 24, 2017, 01:31:28 PM

Even crutonius, whom I have respect for has fallen into the trap.

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There we are sandwiched between the intellectual powerhouses of Latvia and Turkey.

If you don't believe in evolution then you are an ignorant fool....

Such a shame, it's the Catholic Church of Science.

Though seeing crutonius say this has depressed me

Well, to be fair, I don't think I've ever seen a good argument against evolution other than it contradicts a literal interpretation of Genesis. It's basically on the same tier as believing the earth is flat, except less politically incorrect.

Evolution only requires that you believe in two things:  genetic inheritance, and selection pressure (i.e. some traits are better/worse for an organism's ability to survive and reproduce).

These two things seem pretty uncontroversially true on their own, and if you believe in those things, evolution follows as a matter of course.  It's not some magic force; it's just what's left over when everything that doesn't work gets selected out of the gene pool.  I agree, it doesn't need to be incompatible with a universe that has a god.

Well if God created the universe and he is omniscient and omnipotent, he could have created the universe and the laws that govern it in such a way so that evolution would end up as it did. In a way, you could say that he did create human and life. Why would he do it like that in such a contrived way? I don't know, why does God do half the stuff he does in the Bible?

Even crutonius, whom I have respect for has fallen into the trap.

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There we are sandwiched between the intellectual powerhouses of Latvia and Turkey.

If you don't believe in evolution then you are an ignorant fool....

Such a shame, it's the Catholic Church of Science.

Though seeing crutonius say this has depressed me

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 01:26:12 PM

Actually you're a weird type of person, I don't even know if you qualify as a "christian"...

I take that as a compliment 

you forgot to tell us your profession and education.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 24, 2017, 01:31:28 PM

Even crutonius, whom I have respect for has fallen into the trap.

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There we are sandwiched between the intellectual powerhouses of Latvia and Turkey.

If you don't believe in evolution then you are an ignorant fool....

Such a shame, it's the Catholic Church of Science.

Though seeing crutonius say this has depressed me

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 01:26:12 PM

Actually you're a weird type of person, I don't even know if you qualify as a "christian"...

I take that as a compliment 

you forgot to tell us your profession and education.

I think he's some sort of mechanical engineer and I think he's got a PhD in something. Not sure though, I don't remember.

Belief in God sometimes seems a bit like a Rorschach test to me.  I could find many verses from the Bible that are in favor of science.  Many instances where the church acted in favor of science.

I can also find verses that are anti-science to put it mildly.  Likewise several ongoing issues where the church opposes science in favor of tradition.

So if believers worship a God that encourage them to learn everything they can about the world around them I'm all in favor of that.  But I've spoken enough to these anti-science Christians that sometimes I feel like a librarian in Alexandria in 391 A.D. 

you forgot to tell us your profession and education.

I suppose you missed this reply to you..

I have already posted up everything along with proof (customized to the request of certain posters) to back it up (which I am only one of two people to do that here I am aware of)...False prophet's comments is a prime example of an athiest nature, no matter what evidence is provided, it will be rejected if it doesn't meet the mold...(I am supposed to be an ignorant, uneducated loser for example)

If you care, I can share again...Though my whole point was to say I have read just a few "scientific" books in my time.

So no...I did not forget.

However I can repeat. PhD M.E., M.M. music theory. Have extra curricular certifications in Structural areas as well as fluid dynamics and metallurgy. Have owned a mechanical engineering firm a little shy of 10 years, and co owned a music study for 7.

Well, I didn't intend it as a compliment, but I didn't intend it as anything derogatory either. It was neutral.

The fact you don't think I qualify as a Christian makes it a compliment. I am not fond of the majority of "Christians"..

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on April 24, 2017, 01:53:51 PM

Well, I didn't intend it as a compliment, but I didn't intend it as anything derogatory either. It was neutral.

The fact you don't think I qualify as a Christian makes it a compliment. I am not fond of the majority of "Christians"..

Than you developed your own religion.
Why do you think your religion is the correct one and all the other ones are wrong.
You have as much evidence as all the other religions.

If I look at genesis 1:
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

And than at genesis 2:
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

How can there no man at genesis 2:5, if he made them at genesis 1:26?

Can we count one of them as a lie?

If I look at genesis 1:
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

And than at genesis 2:
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

How can there no man at genesis 2:5, if he made them at genesis 1:26?

Can we count one of them as a lie?

No. Because InFlatEarth doesn't want it to be a lie, so it isn't. That's just how it works here.

Quote from: InFlatEarth on April 21, 2017, 01:04:09 AM

A historical book, not fictional.

How about A + B + C = D where A = B = C = D

Is this a lie?

The bible implies it

Only works if A = B = C = D = 0

sorry

Or if A = B = C = D = true infinity.

Think about it.

This kept me up the other night.
Are zero and infinity really different?

Why do you think your religion is the correct one and all the other ones are wrong.
You have as much evidence as all the other religions.

Which is no evidence at all, very good.

Its like a FoR problem if we are moving at .5c without anything to use as a reference frame we would not know we are moving. The actuality in this situation is that we are moving, whether we can measure it or not.

Expect him not from the East, nor from the West; for from no expected house cometh that child. Aum! All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little; solve the first half of the equation, leave the second unattacked. But thou hast all in the clear light, and some, though not all, in the dark.

This verse explains that there is much we can discover but there are things that will be forever beyond our reach.

Quote from: Canadabear on April 24, 2017, 09:42:25 AM

the pyramids can be explained how they did build them.
you are only not informed enough maybe you should read as much religious books and more scientific books.

Lol... There is another calling me stupid...What is your education level? What do you do for a living?

 Is there a handbook that all athiest must read and sign off on before being allowed in the group?

Repeat the word facts and evidence no matter if there are facts and evidence....Use the word science over and over....Call them stupid...Call ignorant...Call them weak minded...Call them loons....Rince and repeat.

Getting kind of annoying and moderately sad, I have attempted to have normal and neutral conversations with such people and it always resorts to that.

As for the ark reproductions.... It's​ just Reality when you are dealing with a business. The ship builder, I am sure he had only so much time and money to waste on a project not intended to make money...Again, just Reality. I am sure if he had a few centuries to build it things would be different.

As for how the pyramids were built...Did this come from the same "facts" bin macro evolution​ and Origins "facts" come from? I would throw that bin away....(We only have speculation how it could have been done, nothing has been proven yet, all attempts so far has failed)...

You proved to be stupid and ignorant.
You wrote that the ark is a viable project and gave examples.
The examples you gave are bogus.
The ark is not a viable project, unless magic is used.
Perhaps you believe in magic.

And don't dare to speak about education level. Being a janitor in a engineering company is not a degree...

Beliefs are beliefs, Dumby.

You can't judge someones intelligence based on thier beliefs, there are some very well educated people who have some strange beliefs.

I do believe in magick, what of it? So did Newton just as a quick example.

Quote from: Canadabear on April 24, 2017, 02:05:54 PM

you forgot to tell us your profession and education.

I suppose you missed this reply to you..

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 24, 2017, 12:58:35 PM

I have already posted up everything along with proof (customized to the request of certain posters) to back it up (which I am only one of two people to do that here I am aware of)...False prophet's comments is a prime example of an athiest nature, no matter what evidence is provided, it will be rejected if it doesn't meet the mold...(I am supposed to be an ignorant, uneducated loser for example)

If you care, I can share again...Though my whole point was to say I have read just a few "scientific" books in my time.

So no...I did not forget.

However I can repeat. PhD M.E., M.M. music theory. Have extra curricular certifications in Structural areas as well as fluid dynamics and metallurgy. Have owned a mechanical engineering firm a little shy of 10 years, and co owned a music study for 7.

as you have a PhD in Mechanical Engineering you should know that only testable facts counts.
or did you work in your company with magical strength?

as an engineer you should understand the problems that come up with a big ship like the ark.
also some say the ark was a rectangle box. you as an engineer know how stable a box is, that why they do not build ships in the shape of a box.

therefor you as an engineer you should know that a ark is not possible as descripted in the bible.

Belief in God sometimes seems a bit like a Rorschach test to me.  I could find many verses from the Bible that are in favor of science.  Many instances where the church acted in favor of science.

I can also find verses that are anti-science to put it mildly.  Likewise several ongoing issues where the church opposes science in favor of tradition.

So if believers worship a God that encourage them to learn everything they can about the world around them I'm all in favor of that.  But I've spoken enough to these anti-science Christians that sometimes I feel like a librarian in Alexandria in 391 A.D. 

I believe in "god" but I don't believe in a literal interpretation of the bible it's just a book to me.

I don't think that belief and religion are so linked.

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Quote from: Canadabear on April 24, 2017, 02:05:54 PM

you forgot to tell us your profession and education.

I suppose you missed this reply to you..

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 24, 2017, 12:58:35 PM

I have already posted up everything along with proof (customized to the request of certain posters) to back it up (which I am only one of two people to do that here I am aware of)...False prophet's comments is a prime example of an athiest nature, no matter what evidence is provided, it will be rejected if it doesn't meet the mold...(I am supposed to be an ignorant, uneducated loser for example)

If you care, I can share again...Though my whole point was to say I have read just a few "scientific" books in my time.

So no...I did not forget.

However I can repeat. PhD M.E., M.M. music theory. Have extra curricular certifications in Structural areas as well as fluid dynamics and metallurgy. Have owned a mechanical engineering firm a little shy of 10 years, and co owned a music study for 7.

as you have a PhD in Mechanical Engineering you should know that only testable facts counts.
or did you work in your company with magical strength?

as an engineer you should understand the problems that come up with a big ship like the ark.
also some say the ark was a rectangle box. you as an engineer know how stable a box is, that why they do not build ships in the shape of a box.

therefor you as an engineer you should know that a ark is not possible as descripted in the bible.

I'm gonna have to go back and re-read this argument.

And don't dare to speak about education level. Being a janitor in a engineering company is not a degree...

Did see you sneak this in here....

Just another blow hard nobody deflecting... Prove you can talk to someone like that dumb ass or move on. We all know you can't.

Actually, I would just settle for you having one post that actually adds to a conversation... I bet either will be impossible for you.

Quote from: crutonius on April 24, 2017, 02:14:19 PM

Belief in God sometimes seems a bit like a Rorschach test to me.  I could find many verses from the Bible that are in favor of science.  Many instances where the church acted in favor of science.

I can also find verses that are anti-science to put it mildly.  Likewise several ongoing issues where the church opposes science in favor of tradition.

So if believers worship a God that encourage them to learn everything they can about the world around them I'm all in favor of that.  But I've spoken enough to these anti-science Christians that sometimes I feel like a librarian in Alexandria in 391 A.D. 

I believe in "god" but I don't believe in a literal interpretation of the bible it's just a book to me.

I don't think that belief and religion are so linked.

Quote from: Canadabear on April 25, 2017, 05:17:52 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 24, 2017, 03:11:11 PM

Quote from: Canadabear on April 24, 2017, 02:05:54 PM

you forgot to tell us your profession and education.

I suppose you missed this reply to you..

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 24, 2017, 12:58:35 PM

I have already posted up everything along with proof (customized to the request of certain posters) to back it up (which I am only one of two people to do that here I am aware of)...False prophet's comments is a prime example of an athiest nature, no matter what evidence is provided, it will be rejected if it doesn't meet the mold...(I am supposed to be an ignorant, uneducated loser for example)

If you care, I can share again...Though my whole point was to say I have read just a few "scientific" books in my time.

So no...I did not forget.

However I can repeat. PhD M.E., M.M. music theory. Have extra curricular certifications in Structural areas as well as fluid dynamics and metallurgy. Have owned a mechanical engineering firm a little shy of 10 years, and co owned a music study for 7.

as you have a PhD in Mechanical Engineering you should know that only testable facts counts.
or did you work in your company with magical strength?

as an engineer you should understand the problems that come up with a big ship like the ark.
also some say the ark was a rectangle box. you as an engineer know how stable a box is, that why they do not build ships in the shape of a box.

therefor you as an engineer you should know that a ark is not possible as descripted in the bible.

I'm gonna have to go back and re-read this argument.

I don't blame you for that thinking ... and I think it's great you have by-passed religion and still believe in God!

The many have lost faith because of "Religion Labyrinth" - when religion was supposed to be the safety boat that transports us to the other side, it had done the exact opposite and caused the many to sink before the cross-line.

I was under the same impression for quite some time, earlier in my life, until I realized that the problem was not in the boat; the real problem was in the drunken captain and navigator!

When religion make of God a "Suffering Man" and make of his story a "Greek Tragedy" to win the hearts of the millions as followers, then, and after a while; the sheeple will stop feeling pity for themselves and for their tortured god, and will just ... go on with their lives, drifting with the currents.

But, not everything in the books is gibberish and meaningless expressions; a hidden treasure, indeed, they behold!
And, only through a process of filtering and combining the knowledge, the map to the maze shall glow in the dark and show us the right path to get to the treasure.

The path to the reward is NOT easy and straight > keep up the faith and it shall enlighten your way...

I wonder if Inflatearth is aware that one of the first iterations of the Big Bang was devised by a Belgian PRIEST and astronomer named George Lemaitres.