God

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 20, 2017, 03:19:00 AM

God said, "what you received of knowledge is very little".
Even our imagination cannot cross that line and find answers outside the boundaries of the knowledge we received!

God didn't want us to believe in Him with our senses, but with our hearts and consciousnesses.
If we don't believe in Him of what we saw of His great work of creation in nature and the universe, then I don't think seeing Him will change anything or make some believe!
Most of us believe Einstein was a great scientist because of what we received of his work, but we never saw him or met him!

Our life on earth is very short, and it wasn't meant for us to stay here forever!
I believe we are here to test our belief and work hard to pass the exam.
Those who pass and ascend, will be rewarded with eternal life in heaven, and those who fail and descend > may God have mercy on their souls > because where they will be going is very ugly!

Maybe the answers we're looking for are found in the other life, if we believe in this life we can pass our test and reach there!

What if we ascend not into heaven but onto a different plane (dimension) with higher conscientiousness and those who fail will just have to start over.

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 20, 2017, 03:19:00 AM

God said, "what you received of knowledge is very little".
Even our imagination cannot cross that line and find answers outside the boundaries of the knowledge we received!

God didn't want us to believe in Him with our senses, but with our hearts and consciousnesses.
If we don't believe in Him of what we saw of His great work of creation in nature and the universe, then I don't think seeing Him will change anything or make some believe!
Most of us believe Einstein was a great scientist because of what we received of his work, but we never saw him or met him!

Our life on earth is very short, and it wasn't meant for us to stay here forever!
I believe we are here to test our belief and work hard to pass the exam.
Those who pass and ascend, will be rewarded with eternal life in heaven, and those who fail and descend > may God have mercy on their souls > because where they will be going is very ugly!

Maybe the answers we're looking for are found in the other life, if we believe in this life we can pass our test and reach there!

What if we ascend not into heaven but onto a different plane (dimension) with higher conscientiousness and those who fail will just have to start over.

Quote from: İntikam on April 20, 2017, 03:46:45 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 19, 2017, 02:21:10 PM

Quote from: İntikam on April 19, 2017, 02:15:17 PM

Firstly, we can't completely understand what God aimed while creating us. Because as markjo's saying, with our limited mind, it is impossible to understand limitless God's thinkings.

On the other hand, God knows we'll think about him while creating us. So he created us with the knowledge of our thinkings on him. If he wanted to do, could forbid for us debating about him. So it is free by mentality.

Actually we are God's pawns in their chess game with Evil. God bet on us and Evil bet against on us. In general this is known and logical.

Another view is that he used us to improve himself. Accordingly he is cloning himself thanks to us. Will only select very special pieces and will destroy the rest under the name "hell". This is logical too.

In my oinion, Frankly, For curiosity. I think that the issue of Jesus is also the result of "curiosity".

A second opinion is God's to think of man instead of devil. For this reason, Satan has hatred towards man and does not accept man's dominion. This is the direct result of the sacred texts.

Except for the last thesis, in other thesis, no one else is worth as much as the garbage.

It is equally likely that all this is a virtual fiction and God is a kind of software.

If we think on "who created God", we should next answer the question of "who created who created God". This questions goes to infinity: "who created who created who created who created ... God". With this logical, we understand there is a problem in this question. We see that this problem which makes sense to us is meaningless in the universal sense and that there is no logical conclusion. God tells us that he is only himself and that he is always before him. It is most logical to accept it as correct because as I proven, our logical collapse while thinking on that problem.

So we can't understand exactly why God wants us to exist and that is why some parts of religious books are illogical? OK. And even though he created us knowing that we could never understand him, he will still punish us for all of eternity if we do not accept that? OK.

There is no illogical parts in religinal texts.

Also the fact that Adam and Eve had three sons that somehow reproduced.

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 20, 2017, 04:33:14 AM

Quote from: İntikam on April 20, 2017, 03:46:45 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 19, 2017, 02:21:10 PM

Quote from: İntikam on April 19, 2017, 02:15:17 PM

Firstly, we can't completely understand what God aimed while creating us. Because as markjo's saying, with our limited mind, it is impossible to understand limitless God's thinkings.

On the other hand, God knows we'll think about him while creating us. So he created us with the knowledge of our thinkings on him. If he wanted to do, could forbid for us debating about him. So it is free by mentality.

Actually we are God's pawns in their chess game with Evil. God bet on us and Evil bet against on us. In general this is known and logical.

Another view is that he used us to improve himself. Accordingly he is cloning himself thanks to us. Will only select very special pieces and will destroy the rest under the name "hell". This is logical too.

In my oinion, Frankly, For curiosity. I think that the issue of Jesus is also the result of "curiosity".

A second opinion is God's to think of man instead of devil. For this reason, Satan has hatred towards man and does not accept man's dominion. This is the direct result of the sacred texts.

Except for the last thesis, in other thesis, no one else is worth as much as the garbage.

It is equally likely that all this is a virtual fiction and God is a kind of software.

If we think on "who created God", we should next answer the question of "who created who created God". This questions goes to infinity: "who created who created who created who created ... God". With this logical, we understand there is a problem in this question. We see that this problem which makes sense to us is meaningless in the universal sense and that there is no logical conclusion. God tells us that he is only himself and that he is always before him. It is most logical to accept it as correct because as I proven, our logical collapse while thinking on that problem.

So we can't understand exactly why God wants us to exist and that is why some parts of religious books are illogical? OK. And even though he created us knowing that we could never understand him, he will still punish us for all of eternity if we do not accept that? OK.

There is no illogical parts in religinal texts.

Also the fact that Adam and Eve had three sons that somehow reproduced.

Incest is not a good thing but there is a necessity at there. We can give another example about Lut and his daughters. There are some differences between the morality conception described in sacred texts and the understanding of daily morality.

"The common interests of mankind" are taken into account in sacred texts. In daily life, people put things that seem "logical" in place of the "true moral" described in the sacred texts. For example, "homosexual relationship" can bring the end of mankind. So "violently" is forbidden. But in some states some countries claimed to be "Christian" gay marriage is free. This is not freedom, but a misguidance. I do not approve incest relations. But in terms of "perversion", "homosexual relationship" is a much more perverted species. Nevertheless, homosexual relations can be considered reasonable nowadays. This indicates that the texts are not illogical, but that modern man is perverted. The marriage of children of Adam is not illogical, nor is it perversion. Because there is no other way. But as long as you have an alternative, marriage by relatives is already forbidden. It is also forbidden in sacred texts. There is no need to argue that. Drinking in Islamic belief is forbidden. Pork is forbidden in Islam and Judaism. But according to Islamic religion, "if there is a doctor's recommendation", the drink used as medicine is free; If there is a risk of starvation, you can eat pork.

None of them are illogical. But mankind is going to pervert day by day.

What if the apparent rise in homosexuality is Gods way of controlling population growth? I would not see it as an affront to God unless there was the risk of extinction. As a population becomes ever more dense and unsustainable, measures need to be taken to curb it. There are also millions of orphans and children in need of guardianship. People who can not have children for whatever reason (homosexuality being one of them) can take in children that would otherwise be lost.

If God works in mysterious ways, then perhaps this is one of them

Quote from: İntikam on April 20, 2017, 05:48:15 AM

That would just be cruel. The fact that any homosexual will go to hell according to most religious texts. That means creating a bunch of souls, and after their short time on earth they are punished for all of eternity. Also homosexuality existed in ancient times when the population of the human race was below a billion so there was no need for population control.

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 20, 2017, 03:19:00 AM

God said, "what you received of knowledge is very little".
Even our imagination cannot cross that line and find answers outside the boundaries of the knowledge we received!

God didn't want us to believe in Him with our senses, but with our hearts and consciousnesses.
If we don't believe in Him of what we saw of His great work of creation in nature and the universe, then I don't think seeing Him will change anything or make some believe!
Most of us believe Einstein was a great scientist because of what we received of his work, but we never saw him or met him!

Our life on earth is very short, and it wasn't meant for us to stay here forever!
I believe we are here to test our belief and work hard to pass the exam.
Those who pass and ascend, will be rewarded with eternal life in heaven, and those who fail and descend > may God have mercy on their souls > because where they will be going is very ugly!

Maybe the answers we're looking for are found in the other life, if we believe in this life we can pass our test and reach there!

What if we ascend not into heaven but onto a different plane (dimension) with higher conscientiousness and those who fail will just have to start over.

What if the apparent rise in homosexuality is Gods way of controlling population growth? I would not see it as an affront to God unless there was the risk of extinction. As a population becomes ever more dense and unsustainable, measures need to be taken to curb it. There are also millions of orphans and children in need of guardianship. People who can not have children for whatever reason (homosexuality being one of them) can take in children that would otherwise be lost.

If God works in mysterious ways, then perhaps this is one of them

Quote from: İntikam on April 20, 2017, 05:48:15 AM

That is the work of the devil and not the work of God!
If God allowed for certain things to happen, it's because of us and not God to be blamed!
God doesn't have double-standards and God's laws never change, from the beginning of dawn till the day of judgement!

Stepping into the darkness away from the light is a choice we made - a dysfunction in the self, in the family and in society is a result of our acts, and our acts alone.
A sin could never be a choice of God to repair another sin with > nature usually takes care of that and do the cleansing, when man fills the earth with his filth!

God will forgive ALL our flaws and sins, if we judge ourselves during our lives before it's too late, recognize and admit where have we gone wrong, repent and ask God for forgiveness, work hard not to repeat past mistakes, reform and redirect our path into the light and away from the darkness and the fear of the unknown.

If you are truly repentant and ask for forgiveness, you are absolved. If the person does not forgive you and harbours hatred for you, then he will not enter Gods Kingdom and instead 'burn in hell'. It's tough but fair

Have you not heard the story of Job? He had a great life and was a very loyal servant of God. One day, God's ego got the better of him talking with Satan and to prove that his people were loyal in the ultimate pissing contest, God totally ruined Jobs life and killed everyone he cared about. Then he ruined Jobs health. Job was still loyal and faithful to God. This is showing us how we must respond to these tests.

If someone came into your house and murdered your mother and raped your dog. If they later sought forgiveness and were truly sorry and turned to God and you turned around and said 'f&#k you' and refused to forgive him, he might well end up in Heaven despite his prior sins and if you took your hate to your grave, then you would be the one ending up in Hell. We are all being tested on this Earth. It is how we answer the tests that determines where we will go in the afterlife.

Quote from: Shifter on April 20, 2017, 11:57:14 PM

Have you not heard the story of Job? He had a great life and was a very loyal servant of God. One day, God's ego got the better of him talking with Satan and to prove that his people were loyal in the ultimate pissing contest, God totally ruined Jobs life and killed everyone he cared about. Then he ruined Jobs health. Job was still loyal and faithful to God. This is showing us how we must respond to these tests.

If someone came into your house and murdered your mother and raped your dog. If they later sought forgiveness and were truly sorry and turned to God and you turned around and said 'f&#k you' and refused to forgive him, he might well end up in Heaven despite his prior sins and if you took your hate to your grave, then you would be the one ending up in Hell. We are all being tested on this Earth. It is how we answer the tests that determines where we will go in the afterlife.

So I can do whatever I want and ask god for forgiveness and still end up in heaven? And whoever didn't, for some reason, forgive me for killing their mother ends up going to hell, being punished for eternity. Makes sense.

So I can do whatever I want and ask god for forgiveness and still end up in heaven? And whoever didn't, for some reason, forgive me for killing their mother ends up going to hell, being punished for eternity. Makes sense.

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Quote from: Hannibaal on April 20, 2017, 03:19:00 AM

God said, "what you received of knowledge is very little".
Even our imagination cannot cross that line and find answers outside the boundaries of the knowledge we received!

God didn't want us to believe in Him with our senses, but with our hearts and consciousnesses.
If we don't believe in Him of what we saw of His great work of creation in nature and the universe, then I don't think seeing Him will change anything or make some believe!
Most of us believe Einstein was a great scientist because of what we received of his work, but we never saw him or met him!

Our life on earth is very short, and it wasn't meant for us to stay here forever!
I believe we are here to test our belief and work hard to pass the exam.
Those who pass and ascend, will be rewarded with eternal life in heaven, and those who fail and descend > may God have mercy on their souls > because where they will be going is very ugly!

Maybe the answers we're looking for are found in the other life, if we believe in this life we can pass our test and reach there!

What if we ascend not into heaven but onto a different plane (dimension) with higher conscientiousness and those who fail will just have to start over.

That higher plane (dimension), God called Heaven!

And we only ascend there with our consciousnesses that we create during the time given to us on earth.
We were given time to create our consciousness that connects us with God - the more enlightened we are, the higher our consciousness rise > the higher our place in heaven will be.

The exact opposite happens on the other side > the deeper they go those who have not established and built a consciousness strong enough to connect them with God!

Simple logic would tell me the murderer and the victim MUST NOT have the same fate and must not end up in the same place in the afterlife! Or, nothing would make sense anymore, nor would anything have a value!
The same applies on believers and non-believers - when you deny the existence of a creator in your life, why would you expect Him to accept you in the afterlife!

God will forgive ALL our flaws and sins, if we judge ourselves during our lives before it's too late, recognize and admit where have we gone wrong, repent and ask God for forgiveness, work hard not to repeat past mistakes, reform and redirect our path into the light and away from the darkness and the fear of the unknown.

ًWe are all subject to God's mercy and forgiveness if we asked for it and worked hard to reach it; except for those who die atheists and non-believers - the ONLY sin God will not forgive or look into!

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 21, 2017, 12:41:11 AM

So I can do whatever I want and ask god for forgiveness and still end up in heaven? And whoever didn't, for some reason, forgive me for killing their mother ends up going to hell, being punished for eternity. Makes sense.

No, because you would have to be truly repentant in your heart. You cant 'do whatever you want' then go, 'oh by the way, I'm sorry, forgive me, OK' I cant see how it would work if you did it with 'pre mediation'.

To the person that refused to forgive, God may argue that He gave up his only Son to die a horrible death on the cross, for your sins. So that you may be forgiven. For you not forgive someone is rejecting His sacrifice. Like I said, these trials we face may be tests of our resolve. Of our character and of our faith. I may not like them, but it is what it is. Just remember Job and his trials. Just so God could brag to Satan how loyal Job was. Damn that was harsh

You have been shown the key to Heaven. You take it or leave it. Hatred is not the way to take it

If you kill a bunch of infidels you will not only get a full pardon but also a reward!

The Rich Man and Lazarus

19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[a] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— 28 for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

But you are supposed to already have your answers through the teachings. If you 'wait and see' until after your death, it is too late


Luke 16:19-31

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The Rich Man and Lazarus

19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[a] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— 28 for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

In other words, start believing now because its too late once you have passed into the afterlife

That same book says He does not wish or take any pleasure seeing anyone suffer in hell. It is us that send ourselves there.

If God is really God, then it's His universe, and we are ultimately His creation. He gave us free will. You can follow his rules or don't. It's totally your choice. And it is not for anyone to judge you otherwise

That same book says He does not wish or take any pleasure seeing anyone suffer in hell. It is us that send ourselves there.

If God is really God, then it's His universe, and we are ultimately His creation. He gave us free will. You can follow his rules or don't. It's totally your choice. And it is not for anyone to judge you otherwise

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Quote from: İntikam on April 19, 2017, 02:15:17 PM

Firstly, we can't completely understand what God aimed while creating us. Because as markjo's saying, with our limited mind, it is impossible to understand limitless God's thinkings.

On the other hand, God knows we'll think about him while creating us. So he created us with the knowledge of our thinkings on him. If he wanted to do, could forbid for us debating about him. So it is free by mentality.

Actually we are God's pawns in their chess game with Evil. God bet on us and Evil bet against on us. In general this is known and logical.

Another view is that he used us to improve himself. Accordingly he is cloning himself thanks to us. Will only select very special pieces and will destroy the rest under the name "hell". This is logical too.

In my oinion, Frankly, For curiosity. I think that the issue of Jesus is also the result of "curiosity".

A second opinion is God's to think of man instead of devil. For this reason, Satan has hatred towards man and does not accept man's dominion. This is the direct result of the sacred texts.

Except for the last thesis, in other thesis, no one else is worth as much as the garbage.

It is equally likely that all this is a virtual fiction and God is a kind of software.

If we think on "who created God", we should next answer the question of "who created who created God". This questions goes to infinity: "who created who created who created who created ... God". With this logical, we understand there is a problem in this question. We see that this problem which makes sense to us is meaningless in the universal sense and that there is no logical conclusion. God tells us that he is only himself and that he is always before him. It is most logical to accept it as correct because as I proven, our logical collapse while thinking on that problem.

So we can't understand exactly why God wants us to exist and that is why some parts of religious books are illogical? OK. And even though he created us knowing that we could never understand him, he will still punish us for all of eternity if we do not accept that? OK.

There is no illogical parts in religinal texts.

Also the fact that Adam and Eve had three sons that somehow reproduced.

Incest is not a good thing but there is a necessity at there. We can give another example about Lut and his daughters. There are some differences between the morality conception described in sacred texts and the understanding of daily morality.

"The common interests of mankind" are taken into account in sacred texts. In daily life, people put things that seem "logical" in place of the "true moral" described in the sacred texts. For example, "homosexual relationship" can bring the end of mankind. So "violently" is forbidden. But in some states some countries claimed to be "Christian" gay marriage is free. This is not freedom, but a misguidance. I do not approve incest relations. But in terms of "perversion", "homosexual relationship" is a much more perverted species. Nevertheless, homosexual relations can be considered reasonable nowadays. This indicates that the texts are not illogical, but that modern man is perverted. The marriage of children of Adam is not illogical, nor is it perversion. Because there is no other way. But as long as you have an alternative, marriage by relatives is already forbidden. It is also forbidden in sacred texts. There is no need to argue that. Drinking in Islamic belief is forbidden. Pork is forbidden in Islam and Judaism. But according to Islamic religion, "if there is a doctor's recommendation", the drink used as medicine is free; If there is a risk of starvation, you can eat pork.

None of them are illogical. But mankind is going to pervert day by day.

I still haven't figured out what your native language is, but in English, son means an off spring that is a male. Two males cannot reproduce together. Unless god turned one of them into a woman which apparently he forgot to write down.

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 21, 2017, 12:41:11 AM

So I can do whatever I want and ask god for forgiveness and still end up in heaven? And whoever didn't, for some reason, forgive me for killing their mother ends up going to hell, being punished for eternity. Makes sense.

No, because you would have to be truly repentant in your heart. You cant 'do whatever you want' then go, 'oh by the way, I'm sorry, forgive me, OK' I cant see how it would work if you did it with 'pre mediation'.

To the person that refused to forgive, God may argue that He gave up his only Son to die a horrible death on the cross, for your sins. So that you may be forgiven. For you not forgive someone is rejecting His sacrifice. Like I said, these trials we face may be tests of our resolve. Of our character and of our faith. I may not like them, but it is what it is. Just remember Job and his trials. Just so God could brag to Satan how loyal Job was. Damn that was harsh

You have been shown the key to Heaven. You take it or leave it. Hatred is not the way to take it

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Quote from: İntikam on April 19, 2017, 02:15:17 PM

Firstly, we can't completely understand what God aimed while creating us. Because as markjo's saying, with our limited mind, it is impossible to understand limitless God's thinkings.

On the other hand, God knows we'll think about him while creating us. So he created us with the knowledge of our thinkings on him. If he wanted to do, could forbid for us debating about him. So it is free by mentality.

Actually we are God's pawns in their chess game with Evil. God bet on us and Evil bet against on us. In general this is known and logical.

Another view is that he used us to improve himself. Accordingly he is cloning himself thanks to us. Will only select very special pieces and will destroy the rest under the name "hell". This is logical too.

In my oinion, Frankly, For curiosity. I think that the issue of Jesus is also the result of "curiosity".

A second opinion is God's to think of man instead of devil. For this reason, Satan has hatred towards man and does not accept man's dominion. This is the direct result of the sacred texts.

Except for the last thesis, in other thesis, no one else is worth as much as the garbage.

It is equally likely that all this is a virtual fiction and God is a kind of software.

If we think on "who created God", we should next answer the question of "who created who created God". This questions goes to infinity: "who created who created who created who created ... God". With this logical, we understand there is a problem in this question. We see that this problem which makes sense to us is meaningless in the universal sense and that there is no logical conclusion. God tells us that he is only himself and that he is always before him. It is most logical to accept it as correct because as I proven, our logical collapse while thinking on that problem.

So we can't understand exactly why God wants us to exist and that is why some parts of religious books are illogical? OK. And even though he created us knowing that we could never understand him, he will still punish us for all of eternity if we do not accept that? OK.

There is no illogical parts in religinal texts.

Also the fact that Adam and Eve had three sons that somehow reproduced.

Incest is not a good thing but there is a necessity at there. We can give another example about Lut and his daughters. There are some differences between the morality conception described in sacred texts and the understanding of daily morality.

"The common interests of mankind" are taken into account in sacred texts. In daily life, people put things that seem "logical" in place of the "true moral" described in the sacred texts. For example, "homosexual relationship" can bring the end of mankind. So "violently" is forbidden. But in some states some countries claimed to be "Christian" gay marriage is free. This is not freedom, but a misguidance. I do not approve incest relations. But in terms of "perversion", "homosexual relationship" is a much more perverted species. Nevertheless, homosexual relations can be considered reasonable nowadays. This indicates that the texts are not illogical, but that modern man is perverted. The marriage of children of Adam is not illogical, nor is it perversion. Because there is no other way. But as long as you have an alternative, marriage by relatives is already forbidden. It is also forbidden in sacred texts. There is no need to argue that. Drinking in Islamic belief is forbidden. Pork is forbidden in Islam and Judaism. But according to Islamic religion, "if there is a doctor's recommendation", the drink used as medicine is free; If there is a risk of starvation, you can eat pork.

None of them are illogical. But mankind is going to pervert day by day.

I still haven't figured out what your native language is, but in English, son means an off spring that is a male. Two males cannot reproduce together. Unless god turned one of them into a woman which apparently he forgot to write down.

Why do you think Adams hasen't daughters?

After that, Adam "begot sons and daughters" [Genesis 5:3-4].

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+5%3A3-4&version=NIV

Living over 900 years means living ten times longer than we do today. Proportionately, the female period of fecundity – today 30 to 35 years – would then be about 350 years. At a rate of only one child every seven years, this would result in 50 children for Adam's immediate family. Interestingly, two ancient books written about the time of Christ but not having the authority of inspired Scripture confirm these figures. The Book of Jubilees, whose author is unknown, was written in the second century B.C. and states that Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Paradise seven years [p.49]. Then Eve gave birth to her first child, Cain, between the ages of 64-70, or the same numbers as the age of the Earth, anno mundi. Eve's second child, Abel, was born seven years later – between the years 71-77 anno mundi [p.51]. The total number of Adam's children is not given in this work; however, it is found as a footnote in The Works of Josephus where it states: "The number of Adam's children, as says the old tradition, was 33 sons and 23 daughters." In view of their longevity, these appear to be reasonable figures while it would have to be said that, sinners though they were, Adam and Eve had faithfully obeyed God's first commission to: "be fruitful and multiply …" [Genesis 1:28].

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Quote from: İntikam on April 19, 2017, 02:15:17 PM

Firstly, we can't completely understand what God aimed while creating us. Because as markjo's saying, with our limited mind, it is impossible to understand limitless God's thinkings.

On the other hand, God knows we'll think about him while creating us. So he created us with the knowledge of our thinkings on him. If he wanted to do, could forbid for us debating about him. So it is free by mentality.

Actually we are God's pawns in their chess game with Evil. God bet on us and Evil bet against on us. In general this is known and logical.

Another view is that he used us to improve himself. Accordingly he is cloning himself thanks to us. Will only select very special pieces and will destroy the rest under the name "hell". This is logical too.

In my oinion, Frankly, For curiosity. I think that the issue of Jesus is also the result of "curiosity".

A second opinion is God's to think of man instead of devil. For this reason, Satan has hatred towards man and does not accept man's dominion. This is the direct result of the sacred texts.

Except for the last thesis, in other thesis, no one else is worth as much as the garbage.

It is equally likely that all this is a virtual fiction and God is a kind of software.

If we think on "who created God", we should next answer the question of "who created who created God". This questions goes to infinity: "who created who created who created who created ... God". With this logical, we understand there is a problem in this question. We see that this problem which makes sense to us is meaningless in the universal sense and that there is no logical conclusion. God tells us that he is only himself and that he is always before him. It is most logical to accept it as correct because as I proven, our logical collapse while thinking on that problem.

So we can't understand exactly why God wants us to exist and that is why some parts of religious books are illogical? OK. And even though he created us knowing that we could never understand him, he will still punish us for all of eternity if we do not accept that? OK.

There is no illogical parts in religinal texts.

Also the fact that Adam and Eve had three sons that somehow reproduced.

Incest is not a good thing but there is a necessity at there. We can give another example about Lut and his daughters. There are some differences between the morality conception described in sacred texts and the understanding of daily morality.

"The common interests of mankind" are taken into account in sacred texts. In daily life, people put things that seem "logical" in place of the "true moral" described in the sacred texts. For example, "homosexual relationship" can bring the end of mankind. So "violently" is forbidden. But in some states some countries claimed to be "Christian" gay marriage is free. This is not freedom, but a misguidance. I do not approve incest relations. But in terms of "perversion", "homosexual relationship" is a much more perverted species. Nevertheless, homosexual relations can be considered reasonable nowadays. This indicates that the texts are not illogical, but that modern man is perverted. The marriage of children of Adam is not illogical, nor is it perversion. Because there is no other way. But as long as you have an alternative, marriage by relatives is already forbidden. It is also forbidden in sacred texts. There is no need to argue that. Drinking in Islamic belief is forbidden. Pork is forbidden in Islam and Judaism. But according to Islamic religion, "if there is a doctor's recommendation", the drink used as medicine is free; If there is a risk of starvation, you can eat pork.

None of them are illogical. But mankind is going to pervert day by day.

I still haven't figured out what your native language is, but in English, son means an off spring that is a male. Two males cannot reproduce together. Unless god turned one of them into a woman which apparently he forgot to write down.

Why do you think Adams hasen't daughters?

After that, Adam "begot sons and daughters" [Genesis 5:3-4].

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+5%3A3-4&version=NIV

Living over 900 years means living ten times longer than we do today. Proportionately, the female period of fecundity – today 30 to 35 years – would then be about 350 years. At a rate of only one child every seven years, this would result in 50 children for Adam's immediate family. Interestingly, two ancient books written about the time of Christ but not having the authority of inspired Scripture confirm these figures. The Book of Jubilees, whose author is unknown, was written in the second century B.C. and states that Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Paradise seven years [p.49]. Then Eve gave birth to her first child, Cain, between the ages of 64-70, or the same numbers as the age of the Earth, anno mundi. Eve's second child, Abel, was born seven years later – between the years 71-77 anno mundi [p.51]. The total number of Adam's children is not given in this work; however, it is found as a footnote in The Works of Josephus where it states: "The number of Adam's children, as says the old tradition, was 33 sons and 23 daughters." In view of their longevity, these appear to be reasonable figures while it would have to be said that, sinners though they were, Adam and Eve had faithfully obeyed God's first commission to: "be fruitful and multiply …" [Genesis 1:28].

My apologies. My copy of the bible does not mention daughters.

4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Quote from: Shifter on April 21, 2017, 01:13:19 AM

But you are supposed to already have your answers through the teachings. If you 'wait and see' until after your death, it is too late


Luke 16:19-31

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The Rich Man and Lazarus

19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[a] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— 28 for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

In other words, start believing now because its too late once you have passed into the afterlife

But it's one book. I'm sorry, but just because it promises to punish me for all of eternity if I don't believe in it, I won't give in to a threat. I want evidence, and sense that many things in the bible are illogical and don't comply with what we observe today, I can't believe it.
Besides, the God in the bible is a homophobic, racist, genocidal, selfish, jealous, unjust, petty, pestilential seemingly all knowing being with unlimited power and knowledge, who still cares enough about us to punish us for all of eternity if we don't believe in the one book he gave us, but in the evidence that we can see and observe.

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 20, 2017, 03:50:02 PM

God will forgive ALL our flaws and sins, if we judge ourselves during our lives before it's too late, recognize and admit where have we gone wrong, repent and ask God for forgiveness, work hard not to repeat past mistakes, reform and redirect our path into the light and away from the darkness and the fear of the unknown.

I agree on most things you say, but just one comment:
God will forgive ALL our flaws and sins, if we judge ourselves during our lives before it's too late, recognize and admit where have we gone wrong, repent and ask God for forgiveness, work hard not to repeat past mistakes, reform and redirect our path into the light and away from the darkness and the fear of the unknown...
EXCEPT, the flaws and sins we have done to others. Because that would be injustice to this other person. God says that we must seek forgiveness for these flaws by this other person first. Only if this person forgives you for your sins, God will forgive you too.
That is why loving your neighbours, respect for parents, for elderly persons, even loving your enemy is so important.