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NAOMI

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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2006, 08:08:47 AM »
I say again this information is available from any source as I posted above its also on Wikipedia.

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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2006, 09:37:07 AM »
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I just wanna discuss the subject.
Does this jibe with anyone with experience knows?
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How does Nutjob sound?

Why would anyone with at least half a brain even consider using something a noticable as a space shuttle for smuggling?

1.  People with telescopes watch the shuttle in flight, not just professionals.
wouldn't someone notice that the shuttle made an unscheduled stop to unload sullpies?  Do you know how much per pound it costs to move something in the shuttle?  How would you launch it again, once you landed it?  It makes a lot of noise?

2.  It is so much easier and cheeper for the government to just pack goods onto a sealed cargo container and ship it through a normal port.  Why create a complicated delivery?

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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2006, 09:43:52 AM »
1.  What he is refering to is that in the early half of the shuttle's life, it almost always landed at Edwards AFB in California.  He is not talking about it making an unscheduled stop.


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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2006, 09:51:12 AM »
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1.  What he is refering to is that in the early half of the shuttle's life, it almost always landed at Edwards AFB in California.  He is not talking about it making an unscheduled stop.


So the highly polish brick is smuggling from Florida to California?

Why? to get past the produce guards?

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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2006, 09:51:56 AM »
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even consider using something a noticable as a space shuttle for smuggling?

Sure lots of people watch the takeoff, but how many people actually tracked it with a telescope the entire time until it landed? Would it really be noticeable?
From what he says it looks like Bush smuggled a lot of drugs into the US through Arkansas and not many people noticed.

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Quote from: "TheEngineer"
1.  What he is refering to is that in the early half of the shuttle's life, it almost always landed at Edwards AFB in California.  He is not talking about it making an unscheduled stop.


So the highly polish brick is smuggling from Florida to California?

Why? to get past the produce guards?


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The basic pattern of central american narcoics trafficking during the Reagan-Bush era was for american provided planes to fly arms and other military supplies to anti-Sandinista "Contra" terrorists who were largely but not exclusively based in Honduras in order to overthrow the left leaning Sandinista government of Nicaragua. The Somoza family were american backed dictators who had ruled Nicaragua in the interest of america's ruling elite since the 1920's (they were originally installed by a coup d'etat by US Marine special forces). They were overthrown in 1979 after which the US sought to reinstall a neocolonialist government.

The planes returned to the United States with drugs like opium grown by farmers paid by the CIA.

The principle american airbase from which the planes departed was the airport in Mena, Arkansas provided to Bush specifically for this use by Governor Clinton.

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« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2006, 09:56:48 AM »
This "Lord Byron" guy seems pretty well informed, doesn't he, NAOMI?

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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2006, 10:01:21 AM »
What do you think about it?

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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2006, 10:03:54 AM »
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1.  What he is refering to is that in the early half of the shuttle's life, it almost always landed at Edwards AFB in California.  He is not talking about it making an unscheduled stop.


So the highly polish brick is smuggling from Florida to California?


I didn't say that.


"I haven't been wrong since 1961, when I thought I made a mistake."
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NAOMI

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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2006, 10:06:44 AM »
I don't think anybody said that.

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« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2006, 10:19:42 AM »
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I, for one, have not had the 'pleasure of discovery' drained from me.  Every time I come up with a solution to a problem, I am as giddy as a school girl.

I also have control over the work I do- I can quit and work somewhere else.  I work where I do because the industry is important and it provides me with satisfaction at the end of the day.

There is nothing to prevent me from inventing on my own time at my own cost with my own equipment.  As a matter of fact, I am in the process of filing for a patent right now.  The patent has nothing to do with my work and I designed everything at home on my free time.


When you invent on your own time does it have anything to do with the company?
You seem to be part of the population that has a job that gives them some free time.  (Probably a lot of people on this website.)
Do you believe that what that author is saying stands especially about guarded secrets and how they control education?

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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2006, 10:49:13 AM »
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When you invent on your own time does it have anything to do with the company?

No.
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You seem to be part of the population that has a job that gives them some free time.  (Probably a lot of people on this website.)

Kind of.  I have the freedom to get the job done in any way I see fit (within reason, of course) as long as the deadline is met.
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Do you believe that what that author is saying stands especially about guarded secrets and how they control education?

What guarded secrets?  Education is controlled, as the group who decides such things will decide what is to be taught, and to which students it is to be taught.


"I haven't been wrong since 1961, when I thought I made a mistake."
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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2006, 10:52:20 AM »
Dude, I've never seen so much horseshit posted by a single person (except maybe Raa)

Instead of taxing yourself with your pathetic efforts to appear objective and open minded, how about GETTING TO THE POINT!

Asshole.
haseshifter was right when he said Watttttttup was right when he said joseph bloom is right, The Engineer is a douchebag.

PS This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated.

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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2006, 11:16:21 AM »
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What guarded secrets?  Education is controlled, as the group who decides such things will decide what is to be taught, and to which students it is to be taught.


Quote from: "Lord Byron"
This secret society has crafted the engineering industry in such a way that technical engineering knowledge is primarily dispensed to initiates who have been indoctrinated through a tightly controlled educational system at universities and institutes which constitute one branch of the engineering industry. This state of affairs is described in 'America By Design: Science, Technology, and the Rise of Corporate Capitalism' by the erudite and perceptive labor historian and former MIT Professor David Noble, one of the radical social science classics of the 1970's:
www.umsl.edu/~rkeel/280/class/ambydesn.html
www.amazon.com/America-Design-Technology-Corporate-Capitalism/dp/0195026187
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_F._Noble

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« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2006, 11:18:39 AM »
Stop quoting yourself, its extremely pretentious.

It's a bad idea for you to be pretentious, because you're an idiot.
haseshifter was right when he said Watttttttup was right when he said joseph bloom is right, The Engineer is a douchebag.

PS This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated.

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Curious

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« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2006, 12:46:12 PM »
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1.  What he is refering to is that in the early half of the shuttle's life, it almost always landed at Edwards AFB in California.  He is not talking about it making an unscheduled stop.


So the highly polish brick is smuggling from Florida to California?


I didn't say that.


Ok, so for the trips to Edwards, where did it launch from? What would they have smuggle to edwards from the launch site, that they couldn't have move much more cheaply and easily using other means?

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Curious

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« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2006, 12:57:08 PM »
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even consider using something a noticeable as a space shuttle for smuggling?

Sure lots of people watch the takeoff, but how many people actually tracked it with a telescope the entire time until it landed? Would it really be noticeable?
From what he says it looks like Bush smuggled a lot of drugs into the US through Arkansas and not many people noticed.


Obviously not single person tracks it optically for the entire flight (assuming a round earth it would be impossible, unless you were on one of the poles, and the orbit was just right.

However, amateur astronomers around the world do.  Just like a couple of days ago (last Saturday), when it was visible from most of the eastern US.

And with it's reentry at many times the speed of sound, it doesn't exactly sneak in.

But if the government wanted to transport materials, why not just co-op a C5?  Why go through so much hassle when the means are already there to do it easier, cheaper, and more discreetly.

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« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2006, 01:11:31 PM »
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Ok, so for the trips to Edwards, where did it launch from? What would they have smuggle to edwards from the launch site, that they couldn't have move much more cheaply and easily using other means?

1. KSC
2. I never said they smuggled anything.  The person Lord Byron quoted said they did, as the shuttle left Florida and arrived in California.  You asked how it was possible for them to make an unscheduled stop, and get back into orbit.  I simply wanted to correct your understanding of what the person said: The shuttle was not making unscheduled stops, mearly landing in California after its mission.


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« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2006, 06:38:09 AM »
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Ok, so for the trips to Edwards, where did it launch from? What would they have smuggle to edwards from the launch site, that they couldn't have move much more cheaply and easily using other means?

1. KSC
2. I never said they smuggled anything.  The person Lord Byron quoted said they did, as the shuttle left Florida and arrived in California.  You asked how it was possible for them to make an unscheduled stop, and get back into orbit.  I simply wanted to correct your understanding of what the person said: The shuttle was not making unscheduled stops, mearly landing in California after its mission.

The unscheduled stops I was refering to were the "Pick up" points to get whatever was to be smuggled onboard.

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TheEngineer

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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2006, 08:09:44 AM »
I don't think it can be an unscheduled stop if they haven't left the launch pad yet.


"I haven't been wrong since 1961, when I thought I made a mistake."
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« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2006, 12:20:34 PM »
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I don't think it can be an unscheduled stop if they haven't left the launch pad yet.


Which goes to my line about "What are you smuggling from Florida to California?"

Drugs?  Easier through Mexico.

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NAOMI

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« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2007, 05:32:31 AM »
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Ok, so for the trips to Edwards, where did it launch from? What would they have smuggle to edwards from the launch site, that they couldn't have move much more cheaply and easily using other means?

1. KSC
2. I never said they smuggled anything.  The person Lord Byron quoted said they did, as the shuttle left Florida and arrived in California.  You asked how it was possible for them to make an unscheduled stop, and get back into orbit.  I simply wanted to correct your understanding of what the person said: The shuttle was not making unscheduled stops, mearly landing in California after its mission.

The unscheduled stops I was refering to were the "Pick up" points to get whatever was to be smuggled onboard.


In Special Operations, black flights deliver black cargo into denied or unwitting areas. "Black" in this sense is usually synonymous with clandestine. A black cargo would not go through customs, USA or foreign. A black cargo, might be a defector from the communist world being flown to a safe house in the USA or other host country. If the black flight crossed the ocean, it would be known as a "deep water" flight. Clandestine shipments are made by all modes of transportation, including submarines and PT boats.
www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/STchp2.html

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« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2007, 07:54:07 PM »
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Clandestine shipments are made by all modes of transportation, including submarines and PT boats.
www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/STchp2.html


Sure, but Space Shuttle?  There's too many easier ways.

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« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2007, 08:06:48 PM »
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7 16ths of one inch.

Thats the distance you'd have to move your left pinky in order to not sound like a fraking retard.


Stolen from Maddox.

Wow, this is the second time I've said that in as many days.