If your main basis or confirmation that the earth is a disk is because of your religion, alright. It makes your version of the FE just as likely as any other religion. If you believe something different, that is okay, but keep religion out of the science classroom because if your answer to everything is "God did it," you will have no place in the world of discovery.
Maybe God didn't want to be trapped in a lab! Or become an experiment!
Just because your instruments couldn't detect Him, you simply denied His existence!
And, where did your knowledge come from? Hmm?
And where did that energy that allegedly exploded in a big bang come from? Hmm?
And where did your soul come from (if you believe you have one)? From a science lab? Hmm?
No - you are a scientific clone > you're so pathetic!
Only yesterday you moved from the back of your horse/ or jack ass into a leather seat and on four wheels > and you want to challenge thousands of years old books, full of science, with your yesterday's science!
"If the sea were ink for the words of my Lord, the sea would run out, before the words of my Lord do, even if the ink was the double." Qur'an 18:109
And what have you discovered?
Electricity? Hmm? >>> the whole universe runs on electricity, and the ancients knew that thousands of years before your science!
Medicine? You call your chemicals cobbling/ patching, a cure > you call that a discovery!
Dinosaur bones > so fucking what!
Did you discover a way to create an atom like God did in His lab? > You discovered ways to split that atom with your evil science > built bombs to erase what God has created > you discovered ways of destruction!
You discovered ways to suck the blood of mother earth from its veins, and brought it up into our world, for us to drink and breath > you discovered ways to kill us again!
What did you discover? Hmm?
Look around you, you blind fool > where is your world of discovery, that you want to kick us out of?
Maybe it's us who don't want for religion to be desecrated by entering your false world of discovery, you brag about!
We live a Fact with God, and you live an illusion with your science > look first where you stand, before you decide who lives and who dies!
I just discovered; you scientists are full of sh!t! World of discovery my ass!
Listen, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I don't feel there is enough evidence to prove whether or not there is a god. I can lean either way. However I did mean to say that if you look to your religious book for science, you are misleading yourself, as they were written before people had the ability to really understand what is happening in the world and why. Discovery first began when people questioned the organized religions.
God, depending on your definition, may or may not exist, however if it is your final answer to why things work the way they do, don't be offended if people ask you to step aside so that they may continue to question.
May I ask you, which God are you actually referring to?
Since the dawn of civilisation there have been thousands of gods....take your pick. What would make you pick one particular God over another?
The name, the number of followers, or it's familiarity?
Does any god exist...I don't think so, but then I'm open to be convinced otherwise. Is the earth flat? No.
I think the idea of God was first created as a reason for why we exist. It was man's first attempt to find his place. Each religion has their different views on what God is, and I view each as theories. I also believe strongly that you can't prove a negative, thus making it impossible to say whether or not there is a god. While looking for how and why the universe works, the simplest answer is god or a higher creator. This may be true, or we may just not understand our universe yet. I think it's too early to make any final conclusions.
Then I advise you to start considering religion/ holy books as another source of scientific information, because your yesterday's science was originated from those books in all aspects - from the sub-atomic particle to the vast universe!
I will start with the Qur'an - more than 1400 years old, and the closer to our time from all other books.
The following are just few examples of how much knowledge and science this books holds, for those who see and want to believe in the real scientist behind our existence:
Sub-Atomic Particles… He is the Knower of the Unseen, Whom not an atom's weight eludes, either in the heavens or in the earth; nor is there anything smaller or larger than that which is not in a Clear Book. (Qur'an, 34:3)
… Not even an atom's weight eludes your Lord, either on earth or in heaven. Nor is there anything smaller than that, or larger, which is not in a Clear Book.
(Qur'an, 10:61)This verse refers to "atom" and smaller particles/ "sub-particles"
THE FOOD CYCLEAllah splits the seed and kernel. He brings forth the living from the dead, and produces the dead out of the living. That is Allah, so how are you misguided?
(Qur'an, 6:95)In the above verse, our attention is drawn to a food cycle of which people at the time of the Qur'an's revelation could have known nothing.
When a living thing dies, micro-organisms quickly cause it to decompose. The dead body is thus divided up into organic molecules that mix with the soil and form the basic source of food for plants, animals, and, ultimately, humanity. Were it not for this nutritional cycle, life would not be possible.
ANT COMMUNICATIONThe Qur'an indicates, when recounting Prophet Solomon's life, that ants have a communication system:
Then, when they reached the Valley of the Ants, an ant said: "Ants! Enter your dwellings, so that Solomon and his troops do not crush you unwittingly."
(Qur'an, 27: 18)Scientific research into ants has revealed that these tiny animals have very organized social lives and that, as a requirement of that organization, they also have a very complex communication network. For example, National Geographic reports that:
Huge and tiny, an ant carries in her head multiple sensory organs to pick up chemical and visual signals vital to colonies that may contain a million or more workers, all of which are female. The brain contains half a million nerve cells; eyes are compound; antennae act as nose and fingertips. Projections below the mouth sense taste; hairs respond to touch.
THE IDENTITY IN THE FINGERPRINTWhile it is stated in the Qur'an that it is easy for Allah to bring man back to life after death, peoples' fingerprints are particularly emphasized:
Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.
(Qur'an, 75:4)The emphasis on fingerprints has a very special meaning. This is because shapes and details on everyone's fingerprint are unique to each individual. Every person who is alive or who has ever lived in this world has a set of unique fingerprints. Furthermore, even identical twins having the very same DNA sequence
THE SEQUENCE IN DEVELOPMENT OF HUMAN ORGANSIt is He Who has created hearing, sight and minds for you. What little thanks you show!
(Qur'an, 23:78)Allah brought you out of your mothers' wombs knowing nothing at all, and gave you hearing, sight and minds so that perhaps you would show thanks.
(Qur'an, 16:78)Say: "What do you think? If Allah took away your hearing and your sight and sealed up your hearts, what god is there, other than Allah, who could give them back to you?"…
(Qur'an, 6:46)We created man from a mingled drop to test him, and We made him hearing and seeing.
(Qur'an, 76:2)The above verses refer to a number of senses given to human beings by Allah. These are always referred in a specific order in the Qur'an: hearing, sight, feeling and understanding.
In a paper published in the Journal of the Islamic Medical Association, Dr. Keith Moore states that during the development of the foetus, the eye begins to form after the inner ear has assumed its first form. He says the brain, the centre of feeling and understanding, begins its development after the ear and the eye.
The foetus' ears begin to develop as early as the twenty-second day of pregnancy and become fully functional in the fourth month. After that, the foetus can hear sounds in its mother's womb. For that reason, the sense of hearing forms before the other vital functions for a new-born baby. The order set out in the Qur'an is striking from that point of view. (
See Harun Yahya, The Miracle of the Creation of the Human Being, Goodword Books, New Delhi, 2001)
PULSARS: PULSATING STARS[I swear] by Heaven and the Tariq! And what will convey to you what the Tariq is? The Star Piercing [the darkness]!
(Qur'an, 86:1-3)The word "Tariq," name of the Sura 86, comes from the root "tarq," whose basic meaning is that of striking hard enough to produce a sound, or hitting.
Through research carried out by Jocelyn Bell Burnell, at Cambridge University in 1967, a regular radio signal was identified. Until that time, however, it was not known that that there was a heavenly body that could be the source of regular pulse or beating rather like that of the heart.
DUALITY IN CREATIONGlory be to Him Who created all the pairs: from what the earth produces and from themselves and from things unknown to them.
(Qur'an, 36:36)While "male and female" is equivalent to the concept of "pair," "things unknown to them," as expressed in the Qur'an, bears a broader meaning. Indeed, we encounter one of the meanings pointed to in the verse in the present day. The British physicist Paul Dirac, who discovered that matter was created in pairs, won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1933. This finding, known as "parity," revealed the duality known as matter and anti-matter. Anti-matter bears the opposite characteristics to matter.
THE TRUTH OF DESTINYBut you will not will unless Allah wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
(Qur'an, 76:30)As a result of experiments he performed in 1973, Professor Benjamin Libet, a neuro-physiologist at the University of California, revealed that all our decisions and choices are set out beforehand, and that consciousness only comes into play half a second after everything has been determined.44 This is interpreted by other neuro-physiologists as meaning that we actually live in the past and that our consciousness is like a monitor which shows us everything half a second later.
Therefore, none of the experiences we perceive are in real time, but are delayed by up to half a second from the real events themselves.
THE RELATIVITY OF TIME… A day with your Lord is equivalent to a thousand years in the way you count.
(Qur'an, 22:47)He directs the whole affair from heaven to earth. Then it will again ascend to Him on a Day whose length is a thousand years by the way you measure.
(Qur'an, 32:5)The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day whose length is fifty thousand years.
(Qur'an, 70:4)Today, the relativity of time is a proven scientific fact. This was revealed by Einstein's theory of relativity during the early part of the 20th century. Until then, it was not known that time was relative, nor that it could change according to the circumstances.
THE FORMATION OF PETROLGlorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High: He Who created and moulded; He Who determined and guided; He Who brings forth green pasture, and then makes it blackened stubble.
(Qur'an, 87:1-5)As we know, petrol forms from the remains of plants and animals in the sea. Once these have decayed on the sea bed after millions of years, all that is left are oily substances. These, under layers of mud and rock, then turn into petrol and gas. Movements in the Earth's crust sometimes lead to the sea petrifying and to the rocks containing petrol being buried thousands of meters deep. The petrol that forms sometimes leaks through the pores in the rock layers from several kilometers down, and rises to the surface, where it vaporizes (turns into gas), leaving a mass of bitumen behind.
THE MIRACLE OF IRONIron is one of the elements highlighted in the Qur'an. In Surat al-Hadid, meaning Iron, we are informed:
And We also sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind…
(Qur'an, 57:25)The word "anzalna," translated as "sent down" and used for iron in the verse, could be thought of having a metaphorical meaning to explain that iron has been given to benefit people. But, when we take into consideration the literal meaning of the word, which is, "being physically sent down from the sky," as in the case of rain and Sun rays, we realize that this verse implies a very significant scientific miracle. Because, modern astronomical findings have disclosed that the iron found in our world has come from giant stars in outer space.
THE LAYERS OF THE EARTHOne item of information about the Earth given in the Qur'an is its similarity to the seven-layered sky:
It is Allah Who created the seven heavens and of the earth the same number, the Command descending down through all of them, so that you might know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah encompasses all things in His knowledge.
(Qur'an, 65:12)The information in the above verse is confirmed in scientific sources, wherein it is explained that the Earth consists of seven strata. These, as scientists have identified, are:
1st layer: Lithosphere (water)
2nd layer: Lithosphere (land)
3rd layer: Asthenosphere
4th layer: Upper Mantle
5th layer: Inner Mantle
6th layer: Outer Core
7th layer: Inner Core
THE PROTECTED ROOFIn the Qur'an, Allah calls our attention to a very important attribute of the sky:
We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs.
(Qur'an, 21:32)This attribute of the sky has been proved by scientific research carried out in the 20th century: The atmosphere surrounding the Earth serves crucial functions for the continuity of life.
OXIDATION IN THE BLOODNo indeed! Rather what they have earned has rusted up their hearts.
(Surat al-Mutaffifin, 14)The term ‘rusted’ used to describe hearts in verse of Surat al-Mutaffifin may be a reference to biochemical reaction that takes place in the heart. (Allah knows the truth.) Rust is the result of iron reacting with oxygen – oxidation. The oxygen we absorb from the air is carried through the body thanks to the iron in the hemoglobin in the blood. During this process, the oxygen reacts with the iron in the blood. This means there is a constant process resembling rusting in the blood in the human body, and therefore in the heart, the center of the circulation system.
An excess of iron in the blood can even lead to premature aging in all the body’s cells by causing rust-like oxidation. In the disease known as ‘hemochromatosis,’ caused by excess iron accumulating in the body, iron produces a toxic effect and causes organs such as the liver to collapse.
THE MOTHER’S WOMB WITH ITS SECURE PROTECTIONDid We not create you from a base fluid, then place it in a secure repository for a recognized term? It is We Who determine. What an excellent Determiner!
(Surat al-Mursalat, 20-23)We created man from the purest kind of clay; then made him a drop in a secure receptacle; then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!
(Surat al-Muminun, 12-14)The above verses about the creation of human beings contain fundamental information from the field of embryology. The description of the womb as ‘a secure receptacle” indicates an important feature that has been better understood through modern science.
How dare you want to exclude and separate religion from science & God is the real scientist!
I shall give you more science tomorrow - and I haven't even started with the Bible, yet!
And when I reach the Torah, that is very deep waters of science and mathematics!
See you in science class tomorrow!