Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #210 on: October 19, 2018, 01:48:53 AM »
I did not say it works in elements which are in same group have similar properties, because I have already did it so and not required an extra explanation with considering everybody here have a mentality and get it.

I do not need a prove methods reliablity with make a coreleation between different examples. Because I have claimed a relationship between number of searches and number of beliefs. And proved it by writing their number of believers. There is a coreleation and this is a proof.

You agree it or deny it with your childish appeals and insults, can not change this fact.
I am not the one using childish appeals and insults. That would be you.
You have completely failed to refute what I have said.

It is nice and simple: Either there is more to it than a simple linear correlation and thus you need to do more work to be able to calculate the number of believers; or it is a simple linear correlation and thus more people than exist believe in water.

You are yet to prove there is any correlation at all. Instead I have shown repeatedly that there is no simple correlation like that and you have been completely unable to show any problem with my arguments.

So which is it going to be?
Is your method pure garbage or do more people than exist believe in water? They are your only 2 options.
It doesn't matter how hard you try and deny it; or what pathetic, childish crap you pull to try and pretend it isn't so, they are the only options.

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #211 on: October 19, 2018, 02:09:50 AM »
Questions:
1) Step C: Why does searching on the keyword ‘Jesus’ automatically create a relationship (correlation) to the number of Christians in the world?
2) Step C: I may search ‘Jesus’ and I’m not a Christian - How am I factored in?
3) Step C: More specifically, I presume many Non-Christians have used the keyword search of “Jesus”. How are they discerned and accounted for?
4) Step E: Why are you multiplying the ratio with the number of keyword searches for ‘Flat earth’? What's the reason for multiplying?
5) Lastly, what does religion have to do with this?
Ignoring the compounding factors the idea is quite simple (also it is results not searches):
For any given idea/belief there will be some number of people that believe and some number that don't.
These people will make pages discussing the belief.
The number of results will magically be proportional to the number of people that believe, either because the number of people that don't believe do not significantly contribute to the search results, or the more people that believe, the more people will post things promoting it and opposing it.
As such, there should (in this fantasy world) be some factor k which when multiplied by the number of believers gives the number of search results.
i.e. R=k*B

You can also rearrange that to get B=R/k, or k=R/B.

He then uses a single point to calibrate this (e.g. Jebus).
So 2.2 billion believers 0.89 billion results, so k=0.89/2.2=~0.405.

He then uses this for FE to calculate the number of believers:
B=R/k=9.33 million/0.405=~23 million believers.

So that can address questions 2 to 4, assuming 1 has a sufficient answer.
As for 5, that is just a simple thing to find out how many people believe (at least to a very rough approximation).

The big issue is question 1 - Why is there a correlation in the first place?
There are things which no one believes, like Harry Potter, with loads of results. There are things which basically everyone believes, with very few results.
And the other big issue is why would belief be the only correlation?

Unfortunately for Inky, he has no rational responses to these questions. He just asserts the correlation is as he claims, that he has magically proven it, and moves on.


As some more examples, assuming this nonsense actually worked, lets try something simple:
To calculate the number of Christians:
Jesus - 793 million results so ~1.96 billion believers.
Or the number of Christians:
Christian - 2,210 million results so ~ 5.5 billion believers.
Or the number of Christians:
Christ - 830 million results so ~2.05 billion believers.
Or the number of Christians:
Christianity - 197 million results so ~487 million believers.

I think I'm noticing a problem.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #212 on: October 19, 2018, 03:54:49 AM »
I have noticed your childish appeals. You are still far to get the method. You are still comparing wrong terms. Your angry globularist team is nothing but just waste a time. If you have a better method, I have ready to listen it. If you have not a better one, so shut the shit up then get the shit out of here. I do not listen you anymore.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #213 on: October 19, 2018, 05:29:04 AM »
Wow! Great energy in this discussion everyone. But let's take the anger down a little before things get out of hand.
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #214 on: October 19, 2018, 06:33:06 AM »
Tltr;  ::)
Then basically the same as what I said before applies:
YOUR METHOD IS FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED!
You have now admitted it isn't a simple case of number of results=k*number of people who believe in X.

If you want to make it is scientific you need to account for all the variables so you don't predict that more people than exist believe in water.
If you want to say it only works in specific groups to avoid that, you need to show that you are appropriately grouping FE and NASA. "Beliefs" isn't enough.

It is completely unscientific to just assert that it should be a direct linear correlation, and even less scientific to then admit it isn't without correcting your mistakes.

I did not say it works in elements which are in same group have similar properties, because I have already did it so and not required an extra explanation with considering everybody here have a mentality and get it.

I do not need a prove methods reliablity with make a coreleation between different examples. Because I have claimed a relationship between number of searches and number of beliefs. And proved it by writing their number of believers. There is a coreleation and this is a proof.

You agree it or deny it with your childish appeals and insults, can not change this fact.

You writing down something and saying their is correlation doesn't make it so.
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #215 on: October 19, 2018, 01:01:04 PM »
Wow! Great energy in this discussion everyone. But let's take the anger down a little before things get out of hand.

If the angry globularist team has used half of their effort to prove the earth is flat, we would proved the earths being flat.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #216 on: October 19, 2018, 01:03:03 PM »
Wow! Great energy in this discussion everyone. But let's take the anger down a little before things get out of hand.

If the angry globularist team has used half of their effort to prove the earth is flat, we would proved the earths being flat.

More data:

From wikipedia: (1999) Opinion polls taken in various locations have shown that between 6% and 20% of Americans, 25% of Britons, and 28% of Russians surveyed believe that the manned landings were faked.

2018: 57 percent of Russians currently think that the US claims of successful manned Moon missions are lies and that the documented proof of these missions was forged.

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #217 on: October 19, 2018, 02:33:28 PM »
I have noticed your childish appeals. You are still far to get the method.
Again, stop with the insults. I am not the one being childish here.
No. I get the method. It is quite simple.
You claim that the number of believers is linearly proportional to the number of search results. Even sticking to a single belief, this doesn't work.

You are not ready to listen.
Instead, just like always, you refuse to defend your claims and instead just insult and dismiss anyone that shows you to be wrong.

If the angry globularist team has used half of their effort to prove the earth is flat, we would proved the earths being flat.
No we wouldn't have.
It doesn't matter how much you want to believe Earth is flat, all the evidence shows otherwise (or is unable to tell).
No amount of effort can prove a falsehood to be true.
If all the angry flatties tried an honest, rational approach to the shape of Earth, they would have realised Earth is round.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #218 on: October 25, 2018, 06:53:19 AM »
Then how do you explain the existence of penguins? Huh?
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #219 on: October 25, 2018, 11:02:49 AM »
How did you reach pg8 for this topic?!

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of November 2018; 2,791 billions)
« Reply #220 on: November 07, 2018, 12:28:57 AM »
November 2018 search results

Jesus 985.000.000 
محمد. 711.000.000  محمد.   
Hindu 191.000.000
judaism 54.000.000
flat earth 1.250.000.000
nasa 296.000.000

calculating number of believers in November 2018

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 985.000.000
Search to flat earth: 1.250.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 1.250.000.000 / 985.000.000 = 2.791.878.173
Number of nasa believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 296.000.000 / 985.000.000= 661.116.751

Number of believers was 633.475.177 in October 2018

In other say, number of believers increased about 340% in one month.

If we examine the reason of this increase so we can see we did not make same mistakes we did in October.

You can detect that interest by looking the number of visitors how increasing rapidly.
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of November 2018; 2,791 billions)
« Reply #221 on: November 07, 2018, 12:42:01 AM »
calculating number of believers in November 2018
We'll use same method that we always use.
Then you aren't calculating the number of believers, unless you want to claim more people than exist believe in water.
So which is it?
Going to admit your method is garbage, or going to claim more people than exist believe in water?

If we examine the reason of this increase so we can see we did not make same mistakes we did in October.
No, you are still making the same mistake of assuming this garbage actually works.

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #222 on: November 07, 2018, 11:43:41 AM »
Flat earth revolution is in the line.

Do you know why so many people say those routes are real? Because all the evidence supports them being real.

God orders: "do not say lie. It turns against you".
Then why do you keep lying so much?

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #223 on: November 07, 2018, 04:21:32 PM »
Flat earth revolution is in the line.



God orders: "do not say lie. It turns against you".

What can we say to globist liars while they claim existance of some pathes actually not exist without this?
You are so great calling everybody else liars when you flat earthers don't have any flat-earth map that shows accurate distances and
we do have Globe maps that give accurate distances.

You ask, "What can we say to globist liars while they claim existance of some pathes actually not exist without this"?
What you could do, for a change, is admit that you are the one with no basis for your false claims.

But God orders: "do not say lie. It turns against you" so "do not say lie" by falsely claiming that the air routes air routes are fake:
  • Here is an advertised direct flight from Johannesburg (JNB) to Sao Paulo (GRU) with the expected time of 11 hours 10 minutes:

    Latam Airways, Johannesburgo a Sao Paulo
    If you don't think it is a real flight it is up to YOU to prove it!

  • This flight flew direct from Sydney (SYD), Australia, to Santiago (SCL), Chile in 11 hours 50 minutes:

    FlightRadar24 - Flight QFA27 Sydney to Santiago
Your unsupported words claiming "fake" are not sufficient.
I doubt that you have ever been to Argentina, South Africa, Australia or Chile or spoken to anyone unable to fly these routes.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of November 2018; 2,791 billions)
« Reply #224 on: November 07, 2018, 09:18:35 PM »

We'll use same method that we always use.

the Anal Extraction method?
RE can never win this argument.
FE can't be disproved.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of November 2018; 2,791 billions)
« Reply #225 on: November 07, 2018, 11:19:52 PM »

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #226 on: November 08, 2018, 11:43:38 AM »
Sorry. There is a mistake statistics about November 2018. As all we see that 340% increase was a bit exaggeration. I have controlled it at home and found a different result. perhaps it has caused by the property of browser. Anyways.

November 2018 search results (corrected)

Jesus 977.000.000 
محمد. 648.000.000  محمد.   
Hindu 177.000.000
judaism 51.700.000
flat earth 384.000.000

calculating number of believers in November 2018

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 977.000.000
Search to flat earth: 384.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 384.000.000 / 977.000.000 = 864.687.820

Number of flat earth believers was 633.475.177 in October 2018

In other say,

Number of flat earth believers increased  30% in one month.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #227 on: November 08, 2018, 11:44:11 AM »
Sorry. There is a mistake statistics about November 2018. As all we see that 340% increase was a bit exaggeration. I have controlled it at home and found a different result. perhaps it has caused by the property of browser. Anyways.

November 2018 search results (corrected)

Jesus 977.000.000 
محمد. 648.000.000  محمد.   
Hindu 177.000.000
judaism 51.700.000
flat earth 384.000.000
nasa 294.000.000

calculating number of believers in November 2018

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 977.000.000
Search to flat earth: 384.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 384.000.000 / 977.000.000 = 864.687.820

Number of nasa believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 294.000.000 / 977.000.000= 662.026.612

Number of flat earth believers was 633.475.177 in October 2018
Number of NASA believers was 521.134.751 in October 2018

In other say,

Number of flat earth believers increased  30% in one month.
Number of NASA believers increased 27% in one month.

Interesting...

There is no correlation between search results and number of believers.
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #228 on: November 08, 2018, 02:14:10 PM »
Sorry. There is a mistake statistics about November 2018.
Just like there has been in every month prior, as it is based upon a faulty methodology.

Again, just like before, using your horribly flawed method:
Jesus - 776,000,000
Water - 4,930,000,000
So number of water believers = 4930*2.2/776 billion=14 billion people.
So we still have roughly twice as many people than exist beleiving in water.

Where are these extra 7 billion people hiding?

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #229 on: November 09, 2018, 02:28:30 AM »
Again, as I countless time said but anybody still unable to get it;

You can compare things only those are is same category.

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #230 on: November 09, 2018, 02:59:34 AM »
Again, as I countless time said but anybody still unable to get it;
You can compare things only those are is same category.
No, we get it, you simply don't understand.
This is an admission that you can't simply say there are x searches so there are x*k believers. There is far more too it.

Flat Earth and Jesus, while both being taken on blind faith, are not in the same category.
Flat Earth is a claim about the shape of Earth which is quite easy to test.
Jesus is a claim about someone who allegedly lived 2000 years ago.
These are quite different.
NASA is different yet again.

So why do you group FE, Jesus and NASA all together in the same category but not water?

More importantly, what are the other factors which influences search results?
Until you address this and explain what all the variables are, your analysis remains garbage.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #231 on: November 09, 2018, 07:12:42 PM »
Again, as I countless time said but anybody still unable to get it;
You can compare things only those are is same category.
No, we get it, you simply don't understand.
This is an admission that you can't simply say there are x searches so there are x*k believers. There is far more too it.

Flat Earth and Jesus, while both being taken on blind faith, are not in the same category.
Flat Earth is a claim about the shape of Earth which is quite easy to test.
Jesus is a claim about someone who allegedly lived 2000 years ago.
These are quite different.
NASA is different yet again.

So why do you group FE, Jesus and NASA all together in the same category but not water?

More importantly, what are the other factors which influences search results?
Until you address this and explain what all the variables are, your analysis remains garbage.

Stop being an arse. His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #232 on: November 09, 2018, 09:07:45 PM »
Stop being an arse. His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you
Stop being an a total ninnie .
His method might yield the expected number of "enquirers" which includes all those debunking Flat Earth Garbage.
 

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #233 on: November 09, 2018, 09:41:33 PM »
Stop being an arse. His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you
Stop being an a total ninnie .
His method might yield the expected number of "enquirers" which includes all those debunking Flat Earth Garbage.

I thought you weren't going to reply to me as per your hero Mark Twains advice? Proving you are nonsense again

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #234 on: November 09, 2018, 09:58:27 PM »
Stop being an arse. His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you
Prove it.
So far his method is a baseless pile of garbage. If you have the expected number, then feel free to provide the better methodology.
Until you do so, or he corrects himself I will continue to point his garbage.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #235 on: November 09, 2018, 10:03:29 PM »
Stop being an arse. His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you
Prove it.
So far his method is a baseless pile of garbage. If you have the expected number, then feel free to provide the better methodology.
Until you do so, or he corrects himself I will continue to point his garbage.

Are you the garbage man? Could you not find a profession more suited to your 'know it all' brain?

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #236 on: November 09, 2018, 11:04:31 PM »
You can compare similar things between themselves. For example you can compare water to only oil in this small world.

water: 5.050.000.000
oil: 1.700.000.000

Logical? I think they are so.

This does not mean "number of people who believe water and oil". Most of people are searching water or oil company for buy, perhaps. This is relevant with needs. Everybody in the earth needs water. So we can make a coreleation between water and oil than find how many people interest the oil:

number of people search water:  5.050.000.000
real number of people needs water: 7,530.000.000
number of people search oil: 1.700.000.000

So; number of people "needs (search for buy) oil": 2.535.000.000

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #237 on: November 09, 2018, 11:13:47 PM »
His method does yeild the expected number of believers and you're just pissed because it's the truth and staring at you

I really have no interest in whether it's 1 or 1billion 'believers'. But do you honestly think a simple number of searches equates to the number of FE believers somehow by correlating the keywords, 'flat earth', 'jesus' and 'nasa'? Seriously?

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #238 on: November 09, 2018, 11:52:39 PM »
I thought you weren't going to reply to me as per your hero Mark Twains advice? Proving you are nonsense again
He said nothing about replying to an idiot, just "Never argue with an idiot" and I was not arguing with an idiot just stating that the idiot was talking crap!

Now run off back to your Werenazis or whatever unWise has got going now - it's about your limit.

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #239 on: November 10, 2018, 01:18:17 AM »
You can compare similar things between themselves.
Why?
Why can you compare anything? Why only some things?
What are these other factors which influence what we can and can't compare?
Why don't you take that into consideration at all?
Why do you pretend Christianity/Jesus is similar to FE? Is it because you know FE is religious nonsense?

This does not mean "number of people who believe water and oil".
That's right, just like it doesn't for Jesus or FE or NASA.