Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #150 on: April 25, 2018, 01:25:53 PM »
I've spent the last 17 hours straight trying to determine a more accurate measurement system to account for all of the flat earthers, but the "number of videos" seems to be standing up to all of my tests.

For those who are attempting to revolutionize our tracking metrics as well, I'm going to list my methods that were unsuccessful down below, so that you don't waste your time and can learn from my mistakes.

1) Number of comments on YouTube. This may prove to be accurate, but the data retrevial is the model's biggest flaw. I had to hand count each comment and 4 hours in, I realized I've only parsed through 7 videos.

2) Number of memes. Taking the standard correlation of 8.4, one can determine that every meme posted in regards to flat earth shows some type of belief, or desire to believe. I just can't account for the total number of memes.

3) Number of tacos sold in America in 1987. This number remains static and provides no relevance to flat earth believers.

I think it's safe to say "number of videos" is the gold standard for quantifying the number of flat earth believers.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #151 on: May 10, 2018, 02:51:24 PM »
Upgrade may 11

Jesus 242.000.000 ↓ 
محمد. 181.000.000  محمد. ↑
Hindu 56.000.000  ↓
buddha 52.800.000 ↑
Judaism 22.400.000 ↓
flat earth 6.920.000 ↓

Sounds like there is decreasing the belief on Jesus, Hindu, Judaism and flat earth. On the other hand, intereset to islam and buddha is increasing.

Sounds like American politics in middle east caused people direct to islam religion. On the other hand, the unjustice actions made by christian countries sound like caused people to move away from Jesus. Anyway. Lets calculate.

Number of believers:

Christian 2.300.000.000
islam 1.800.000.000
Hindu 900.000.000
flat earth ?

Comparing christianity:

6.920/242.000 *2.300.000.000= 65.767.000

Comparing islam:

6.920/181.000*1.800.000.000= 69.584.000

Comparing hinduism:

6.920/56.000 *900.000.000= 111.214.000

Considered 3 religion total number: 5.000.000.000

Calculating the average number of flat earth believers:

(2,3/5)*65.767.000 + (1,8/5)*69.584.000 + (0,9/5)*111.214.000 = 75.321.580

In April 24, it was 77.917.000.

So, number of believers are decreased about 2 million in 17 days.

As I last month said, we still have to focus on the affects of this decreasing.

At least, we are sure about 1% of the world's population is believe the flat earth. it is not a success. but they are as crowded as they can not destroy. there is no need to loose our morale. we can make up for that loss.
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #152 on: May 10, 2018, 03:00:18 PM »
Maybe they went out and did some experimenting on their own? Could that be it?

So in last 1 year, about 40 millions people have made experiments on their own and decided the flat is earth, true?

Source?
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #153 on: May 10, 2018, 10:54:20 PM »
Maybe they went out and did some experimenting on their own? Could that be it?

So in last 1 year, about 40 millions people have made experiments on their own and decided the flat is earth, true?

Source?

Ask source to the rvlvr.
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #154 on: May 11, 2018, 03:16:18 AM »
So in last 1 year, about 40 millions people have made experiments on their own and decided the flat is earth, true?

Source?

Ask source to the rvlvr.
No, he asked you, so you answer.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #155 on: May 11, 2018, 03:59:01 AM »
So in last 1 year, about 40 millions people have made experiments on their own and decided the flat is earth, true?

Source?

Ask source to the rvlvr.
No, he asked you, so you answer.

But the question is more related with rvlvr. He should ask to him. If you volunteer, you should answer.
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #156 on: May 11, 2018, 04:34:33 AM »
Sorry I missed this.

I just speculated as to the reason for the massive drop in FE believers based on brotherhood's numbers. I'd say the most probable reason would be they looked around, and saw FE theory holds no water. They might have been the ones who got on board because of the pro-FE NBA players, then, as they folded, so did they. These things can be a fad for some.
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #157 on: May 11, 2018, 06:03:33 AM »
my source:

Sorry I missed this.

I just speculated as to the reason for the massive drop in FE believers based on brotherhood's numbers. I'd say the most probable reason would be they looked around, and saw FE theory holds no water. They might have been the ones who got on board because of the pro-FE NBA players, then, as they folded, so did they. These things can be a fad for some.

 :)
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #158 on: May 11, 2018, 07:03:58 AM »
Honestly, I didn't see that BotD had quoed anyone in the post I querried. So, my bad.

Still, I postulate that 90% of internet searches for "flat Earth" are people of the " no WAY is this really a thing" mindset.
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #159 on: May 11, 2018, 07:31:56 AM »
I think following Flat Earth Theory to be part of a debating club and believing the earth to be flat are two different things. I imagine the latter is a much smaller group.

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #160 on: May 11, 2018, 09:51:35 AM »
Curiosity about a thing = belief in a thing?

Where do you get these ideas?

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Calculating the number of believers (as of September 2018, 764 millions)
« Reply #161 on: September 12, 2018, 09:29:16 AM »
September 2018 search details:

Jesus 1.060.000.000
محمد. 624.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 159.000.000
judaism 45.900.000
flat earth 368.000.000

Compare with October 2017

Jesus 868.000.000 to 1.060.000.000 ↑
محمد. 648.000.000 to 624.000.000  محمد. ↓
Hindu 169.000.000 t0 159.000.000 ↓
Judaism 52.000.000  to 45.900.000 ↓
flat earth 11.100.000 to 368.000.000 ↑↑↑↑↑

calculating number of believers:

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.060.000.000
Search to flat earth: 368.000.000
Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:

2.200.000.000 x 368.000.000 / 1.060.000.000 = 763.775.585

It was 40 million at October 2017

Number of flat earth believers have increased about 20 times in a year and arrived about 10% of world population, that we verified it by different sources and methods.
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #162 on: September 12, 2018, 11:03:47 AM »
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #163 on: September 12, 2018, 11:30:29 AM »
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.
You should correct your friend rabinoz, because he is certainly of the opinion that a Google search is the trump card that rules all debate. ::)

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #164 on: September 12, 2018, 12:36:40 PM »
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.

Not only google search, but google search, web search, youtube search, facebook and other so and so searches prove that 10% people are thinking the earth is flat; whatever you say can't change the reality. You only try to deceive me, what does it give you? Nothing. You are just closing your eyes to reality!
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #165 on: September 12, 2018, 12:40:33 PM »
No, it means 10% of the globe are incredulous to the very idea that there people who believe this crap!
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #166 on: September 12, 2018, 02:14:25 PM »
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.
You should correct your friend rabinoz, because he is certainly of the opinion that a Google search is the trump card that rules all debate. ::)
Don't be an idiot! I know that there is as much disinformation on the internet as useful information.
Just look at all the ridiculous Flat Earth YouTube videos by totally ignorant priests of this silly neo-Flat-Earthism religion.
See the pure drivel from Jeranism and Eric Dubay  with the rock bottom probably being :o D. Marble :o!

But when one knows where to look the internet is a good source of information and stops ignorant people making silly statements about ;D ;D ;D Eratosthenes and his sticks ;D ;D and the like.

So, dutchy, what you  imagine to be true "does not equate belief in a subject" either.

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of September 2018, 764 millions)
« Reply #167 on: September 12, 2018, 02:23:38 PM »
We'll use same method that we always use.
You mean that fundamentally flawed method which will only produce complete garbage?
So your claim remains as complete garbage.
You have still failed to calculate the number of believers.


As has been told to you so many times already, YOU CAN'T USE SEARCH NUMBERS TO CALCULATE BELIEVERS!
All the search numbers indicate are the number of searches for the topic.
This could be from people that believe, people looking to learn more, people looking to ridicule, people looking for memes, people surprised that such garbage exists and so on.
The numbers can also go up by people searching more often.

So you have no indication of the number of believers.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #168 on: September 12, 2018, 02:27:31 PM »
There's no way of calculating the number of world-wide flat earth believers. People need a good laugh in the high stress world we live in.

What you are saying, wise, sounds like you're describing the zombie apocalypse.

How many people actually attended the last flat earth conference? About two hundred people - most of which weren't believers, but were either lost in life or curious? Not exactly seven and sixty million, was it?

If you want to gaze into the vacant eyes of a zombie, have a look at any video featuring flat earther extraordinaire - Mark Sargent. 

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of September 2018, 764 millions)
« Reply #169 on: September 12, 2018, 03:33:50 PM »
We'll use same method that we always use.
You mean that fundamentally flawed method which will only produce complete garbage?
So your claim remains as complete garbage.
You have still failed to calculate the number of believers.


As has been told to you so many times already, YOU CAN'T USE SEARCH NUMBERS TO CALCULATE BELIEVERS!
All the search numbers indicate are the number of searches for the topic.
This could be from people that believe, people looking to learn more, people looking to ridicule, people looking for memes, people surprised that such garbage exists and so on.
The numbers can also go up by people searching more often.

So you have no indication of the number of believers.

Oh yeah??? So where is your method then? You may not believe, that's your choice. But you must acknowledge there are those that do for whatever reason

So do tell us how many believers you think are in existence in a method that you believe is not rubbish then

Otherwise why are you here simply hanging shit on someone who is at least trying. That is all you are doing and it is a dick move. At least contribute with your own method and answer to rebut it

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of September 2018, 764 millions)
« Reply #170 on: September 12, 2018, 11:27:24 PM »
Oh yeah??? So where is your method then? You may not believe, that's your choice. But you must acknowledge there are those that do for whatever reason

So do tell us how many believers you think are in existence in a method that you believe is not rubbish then

Otherwise why are you here simply hanging shit on someone who is at least trying. That is all you are doing and it is a dick move. At least contribute with your own method and answer to rebut it
No, what I am doing is not a dick move at all.

The only reasonable method would be a poll where the answers are anonymous and that would only provide an estimate from the region covered by the poll.

Admitting you don't know is vastly better than spouting pure garbage.
What he is doing is no better than just pulling a number out of thin air.
I wouldn't call what he is doing "trying".

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #171 on: September 12, 2018, 11:41:25 PM »
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.

Not only google search, but google search, web search, youtube search, facebook and other so and so searches prove that 10% people are thinking the earth is flat; whatever you say can't change the reality. You only try to deceive me, what does it give you? Nothing. You are just closing your eyes to reality!

So, what I search for using the internet implies what I believe in?  Did I read that right?  You actually believe that what people search for using Google indicates they believe it to be true? 

Then, using your methodology, it logically follows that whatever I search for on the internet must be true.  Therefore anything that is searched for on the internet must necessarily be true. 

You do realize how flawed this methodology is, right?
With all the woes facing our planet do we need a flat earth to add to them...

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #172 on: September 13, 2018, 12:24:54 AM »
If you want to gaze into the vacant eyes of a zombie, have a look at any video featuring flat earther extraordinaire - Mark Sargent.
Yeah,..... compare that to an eloquent speaker like Neil deGrasse Tyson .
Powerfull but simple enough to reach out to a much broader audience besides the scientific community.
He is also an important guest at the Joe Rogan podcast to shed some light in the dark of internet idiocy and conspiracies in general.
His relationship with Joe seems genuinely friendly and one must realise that Neil’s reputation is at risk here.....
But in order to reach out to tin foil hats is a testimony that the gospel of modern scientism should be heard in every corner of the internet.

His demonstration of gravity in front of an eager audience comes to mind as another highlight.
One of his fine performances where science, humor and simple facts were combined in a stunning and verifiable LIVE performance.
Loosely demonstrating the combined active forces at work on globe earth that left flathearthers in tatters.....when Neil dropped a mic on the floor (while he had barely finished eating a juicy fat burger)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #174 on: September 13, 2018, 12:36:53 AM »
Okay so if there are 325 million people in America (2017) and 5% of them are believers (some having doubts but still believing somewhat) That means in America alone there are

325,000,000 x 0.05 = 16,250,000 flat earthers in America right now. This result is just for America. There remains to be the rest of the world

Is this sort of study more appropriate to you Jack? Are you happy to believe there could be over 16 million flat earth believers in America?






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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #175 on: September 13, 2018, 12:51:26 AM »
325,000,000 x 0.05 = 16,250,000 flat earthers in America right now. This result is just for America. There remains to be the rest of the world

I'd say that's about right.

I'm not sure how to go about extrapolating to the rest of the world. But easily up into the 100m+ range I suspect.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #176 on: September 13, 2018, 12:58:46 AM »
Again, a Google search does not equate belief in a subject.

Not only google search, but google search, web search, youtube search, facebook and other so and so searches prove that 10% people are thinking the earth is flat; whatever you say can't change the reality. You only try to deceive me, what does it give you? Nothing. You are just closing your eyes to reality!
I note that your OP contains:
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So; number of believers should be between 4 millions to 61 millions.

As an average value, we can accept the number of believers as 30 633 000 as of April 2017. I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.
Sorry, but statistics can easily be made to lie or in this case be unintentionally quite misleading.

Even if your method was valid, you end with a spread of 4 million to 61 million so there is no way anyone can have confidence in your average of about 31 million.

I don't think that you have any idea about confidence limits, etc. Either that or you've been studying:
How to Lie with Statistics Reissue Edition, by Darrell Huff (Author), Irving Geis (Illustrator) Hardcover $14.24

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #177 on: September 13, 2018, 01:38:42 AM »
This from a Gallup poll in 1999 (scary):

As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun, or does the sun revolve around the earth?

Earth revolves around the sun   79%
Sun revolves around the earth   18%
No opinion                                   3%
                                         

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3742/new-poll-gauges-americans-general-knowledge-levels.aspx

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #178 on: September 13, 2018, 01:57:12 AM »
From Google Trends, keywords: 'flat earth’
2013 - 2018

Of course, as others have pointed out, certainly no indication of ‘belief’, just interest, which obviously includes lots and lots of REr's like me possessed with morbid curiosity.

And I bet you can map each one of those spikes to rappers, b-ball players talking about FE, the dude with the steam powered rocket, what's his name parachuting from way on high, tesla in space, google maps switching to a globe view, etc.


Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #179 on: September 13, 2018, 02:07:24 AM »
Is this sort of study more appropriate to you Jack? Are you happy to believe there could be over 16 million flat earth believers in America?
Yes, this study is vastly more appropriate, but is limited to the US and you would have significant difficulty extrapolating to other locations.
With all the nonsense from the US while I wouldn't say it makes me happy, I am quite willing to accept that loads of them believe lots of nonsense.
Plenty even think such delusional nonsense as Earth being created in 6 days by a magic sky fairy.