Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2017, 07:52:00 AM »

  You just don't know how things work, do you. Just searching keyword on google gives you only count of words used on web pages and documents. It has no relation to how many people have interest in specific keyword or how often they search for this keyword. For example if you search for historical religions like Ebionites, Sadducees, Sicarii, Atenism and so on you can get results  reaching to hundreds of thousands but there are no practitioners or believers now. And its very doubtful that anyone has really any interest toward them. If you want to know what people are interested on and what they search use Google AdWords Keyword Planner or Google Trend.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2017, 08:56:39 AM »
If a person is constantly searching for Jesus in the internet, he will probably start to love him after a while. Likewise, if a person is constantly searching for Islam, he is likely to be a Muslim.
So much for the Zetetic Method and basing conclusions on nothing but observable facts.  (Hint:  Observable facts don't include the word "probably")

The entire structure of your "research" is based on the premise that looking up something will "probably" cause the researcher to love it, and this premise is completely unsupported, and quite frankly, unsupportable.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2017, 10:38:47 AM »
59,700,000....



The number of people that Love Trump...
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2017, 11:28:00 AM »
this is a method, you are free to like or dislike. Better than all of your useless methods. Actually you have no method. Did somebody make a working like that stay here? I don't remember, sorry. For make a critism, you should claim a better one firstly.



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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2017, 11:29:35 AM »
the lesser of two evils is still evil... the least bad of bad methods is still... a bad method
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2017, 11:31:31 AM »
Oh, and I don't know what that GIF is from... but the person in front looks like Melissa McCarthy dressed as Sean Spicer...
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2017, 12:05:14 PM »
Oh, and I don't know what that GIF is from... but the person in front looks like Melissa McCarthy dressed as Sean Spicer...

no they look more like britains, most likely filmed as they said İntikam "good bye"

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2017, 12:16:35 PM »
Oh, and I don't know what that GIF is from... but the person in front looks like Melissa McCarthy dressed as Sean Spicer...

no they look more like britains, most likely filmed as they said İntikam "good bye"

No... It looks more like Melissa McCarthy Dressed up as Sean SPICER!!!!
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My model makes perfect sense
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Impossible to have the same volume and different density.

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Penguins are a natural aphrodisiac

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2017, 12:20:38 PM »
this is a method, you are free to like or dislike. Better than all of your useless methods. Actually you have no method. Did somebody make a working like that stay here? I don't remember, sorry. For make a critism, you should claim a better one firstly.
Your "method" is, objectively, not better than actual statistical models, scientific methodology, or even the Zetetic Method that you guys like so much around here.  Your "method" consists of forming a conclusion that you want, finding any hodge podge of "data" that support it, using assumptions and imagination to cobble them all together, and then proclaiming the result that you engineered (badly, I might add) to be the "truth".

My better suggestion would be to use observable facts to confirm or deny hypotheses, controlling for variables so you can correctly isolate the true causes of effects.  Limit assumptions whenever possible and claim them openly when they are unavoidable so everyone can see what your argument is hinged on, and most importantly...be open to the possibility that your idea is incorrect, no matter how badly you want it to be true.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2017, 12:27:52 PM »
sounds too logical to be true...
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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2017, 01:14:54 PM »
I wonder why Intikam won't go to some huge library and start counting his keywords from books. Its exactly same useless method as he uses with google.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2017, 07:26:13 PM »
We don't know the [exact] value of believers in the world. Actually there is no a valid method to detect it. But we can use some method of estimation.

You can make estimates of anything. Whether those estimates mean anything or not is a different question.

The international interest to flat [earth] still is increasing and this increase rate is still more than all other beliefs. (40% > 27%). However, the rate of increase, [i.e.], the rate of acceleration is decreasing; this is a remarkable point.

With this acceleration, the time of whole world become flat earther changes to 5 years from 2.

Didn't you say that there was no valid way to measure the number of flat-earth believers, just guesses estimates?

I'll make a note to check back here in two years. If everyone (including me) is a flat-earther by then, I'll concede the point.

As an average value, we can accept the number of believers as 30 633 000 as of April 2017. I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.

"Statistics do not lie." Lol! No wonder you're willing to believe the earth might be flat!
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2017, 08:39:13 PM »
We don't know the ecaxt value of believers in the world. Actually there is no a valid method to detect it. But we can use some method of estimation.

In a work, we detected number of believers as 500.000 by using the method of "number of videos".

This time, we'll use the method of "comparing searchings".

It is meaning full There is a relevant between a belief and its number of searching. Also Education and welfare status affect to number of searchings. So We can not say it is exactly right. But may give approximate approximation to reality.

First We'll use the number of searching of main beliefs:

According to wiki, the populations of some beliefs:

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

(religion / in millions)

Christianity 2,200
Islam 1,703
Hinduism 1,100
Buddhism 488
Sikhism 23
Judaism 17
Flat earth ? (we are trying to calculate this)

Now we search on google by direct name of this religions:

Religions: search by term:

Jesus 890.000.000
Bible 458.000.000
christ 424.000.000

Islam 455.000.000
muhammed 60.000.000
mohammad 160.000.000
محمد. 780.000.000  محمد.
quran 118.000.000

Hinduism 25.000.000
Hindu 168.000.000

Buddism 56.800.000
Buddha 167.000.000
Buda 55.100.000
Dharma 48.500.000

Sikhism 4.480.000

Judaism 36.400.000

Flat earth  9.330.000

As we see that some of religions Identified with someone. The searching of Jesus is more than Christ or bible. And name of the mohammad by arabic is more than islam, quran and others. So I'll get these names instead of a religion. And we'll calculate a rate by "Number of search / number of believer)

Term / Number of search / Number of Believer / Reverse ratio

1- jesus 890.000.000 / 2.200.000.000  (X 2,47)
2- Ar.Mohammad 780.000.000 / 1.703.000.000  (x 2,18)
3- Hindu 168.000.000 / 1.100.000.000 (x 6,54)
4- Buddha 167.000.000 / 488.000.000 (x 2,92)
5- Sikhism 4.480.000 / 23.000.000 (x 5,13)
6- Judaism 36.400.000 / 17.000.000 (x 0,46)

The possible reason of difference of judaism than others means other Abrahamic people interest with judaism. This is understandable.

We see that generally there is a relevant with number of believers and  number of terms. It is usually changing by 2 to 7 times.

Even if the number searching of judaism misleading, we use it too by to be unbiased.

Now we'll estimate number of flat earth believers by using the ratios of the religions/terms:

1- (x2,47) 9.330.000 = 23 045 000
2- (x2,18) 9.330.000 = 20 339 000
3- (x6,54) 9.330.000 = 61 018 000 (max)
4- (x 2,92) 9.330.000 = 27 243 000
5- (x 5,13) 9.330.000 = 47 863 000
6- (x 0,46) 9.330.000 = 4 291 800 (min)

So; number of believers should be between 4 millions to 61 millions.

As an average value, we can accept the number of believers as 30 633 000 as of April 2017. I know this is amazing, but statistics do not lie.
I've never seen this methodology before.  If I didn't know any better, I'd say it was plucked from the air.  You do realize that you've made insane assumptions based on, at best, unrelated data.  Any survey that aims at determining something requires carefully selected questions aimed at not influencing the party you're trying to get information about (leading the witness, so to speak).  You're cherry picking information and then making it fit a model of your choosing.  This isn't anything other than wishful thinking.
Of all the woes facing our planet how does a flat earth help anything...

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2017, 01:01:14 PM »
And comedy show goes on. Much more fun is to search for "i believe flat earth" - 1930 results. And "i believe round earth" - 7 results.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2017, 02:13:35 AM »
And comedy show goes on. Much more fun is to search for "i believe flat earth" - 1930 results. And "i believe round earth" - 7 results.

Its not a reliable type of search. Because, flat earth believers say it for show their face. But globists don't requere to do it. Because people are globist as a default style.



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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2017, 04:07:55 AM »
And comedy show goes on. Much more fun is to search for "i believe flat earth" - 1930 results. And "i believe round earth" - 7 results.

Its not a reliable type of search. Because, flat earth believers say it for show their face. But globists don't requere to do it. Because people are globist as a default style.
It is as reliable as any other because you just count words and phrases not relations between these words/ phrases and people/religion. As I said, you get exactly same kind of "reliable" result when you go to the library and start counting your keywords inside books. You are just counting words and if there is 10 words "christ" inside the book that does not mean that there is 10 or even one people believeing in christ.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2017, 10:06:54 AM »
That is about the number of US-Americans that believe vaccines are bad...probably the same stupid ones.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2017, 01:18:23 PM »
Anyway. I think I should have to quit the public sections.



Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2017, 10:54:25 PM »
Assuming that the number of views of Flat Earth messages/videos is anything close to an approximation of the number of true believers is very very wrong.

I think a very substantial portion - very probably a majority - of those viewers are solid Round Earth believers who look this FE stuff up to laugh at it.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2017, 12:10:15 AM »
Anyway. I think I should have to quit the public sections.
Good choice. Because someone always points out here how wrong you are.
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http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2017, 06:14:40 AM »
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2017, 06:38:46 AM »
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2017, 06:53:46 AM »
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor. 

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2017, 07:06:00 AM »
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.


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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2017, 07:21:51 AM »
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.



Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #55 on: September 25, 2017, 07:24:17 AM »
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.



Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #56 on: September 25, 2017, 07:33:40 AM »
wow, you speak retarded very well.

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #57 on: September 25, 2017, 07:36:26 AM »
wow, you speak retarded very well.

but you are way better

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Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #58 on: September 25, 2017, 07:44:31 AM »
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.



Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.

I am very bad at German, and even worse when a Frenchy speaks it.  But, I can almost understand that. 

Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2017, 07:48:22 AM »
I wish I had an immortality card instead of an immorally card.  :(

are you not a religious person? than you have both. do not religious people believe in eternal live in heaven?

I know you are French, so I won't hold it against you that you have no sense of humor.

and as you seem to be a religious person i won't hold it against that you are believe in magic.



Quoi de neuf?  Qu'est-ce que c'est?

ist das alles was du vorbringen kannst?
ich weis das du hier nur einen aprilscherz durchziehst seit 2012.

I am very bad at German, and even worse when a Frenchy speaks it.  But, I can almost understand that.

at least on thing you understand, or lets say a little bit.