# Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)

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#### NotSoSkeptical

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #240 on: November 10, 2018, 05:10:04 AM »
You can compare similar things between themselves. For example you can compare water to only oil in this small world.

water: 5.050.000.000
oil: 1.700.000.000

Logical? I think they are so.

This does not mean "number of people who believe water and oil". Most of people are searching water or oil company for buy, perhaps. This is relevant with needs. Everybody in the earth needs water. So we can make a coreleation between water and oil than find how many people interest the oil:

number of people search water:  5.050.000.000
real number of people needs water: 7,530.000.000
number of people search oil: 1.700.000.000

So; number of people "needs (search for buy) oil": 2.535.000.000

Search results are not number of people searching.  It is the estimated number of links to webpages that relate to the search item.  Notice I said estimated number, as Search Engines such as Google, admit that the number is not an accurate representation of actual results due in part to how the number is calculated.

The estimated nor the actual number of webpages related to a search do not equate to number of believers.  I can start a new belief system about X that has a very unique search result.  I can create a website (forum) dedicated to that belief system and post a new topic in relation to this belief system every hour.  After a week, I can search and find numerous results on this belief system that only has 1 believer.

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#### wise

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #241 on: November 10, 2018, 07:08:33 AM »
What a great statistics!

Interest to flat earth and nasa in past 7 days.

As we see that, they are almost compatibled. This is a trend. In past, who research flat earth was randomly action; but now who search for NASA meanwhile search for flat earth. Because almost everybody have learned the conspiracy of flat earth about NASA theories. So that, who search NASA, meanwhile search flat earth. But everybody search flat earth does not search NASA.

You angry globularists agree or not! You can not change the facts!

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#### NotSoSkeptical

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #242 on: November 10, 2018, 10:30:57 AM »
What a great statistics!

Interest to flat earth and nasa in past 7 days.

As we see that, they are almost compatibled. This is a trend. In past, who research flat earth was randomly action; but now who search for NASA meanwhile search for flat earth. Because almost everybody have learned the conspiracy of flat earth about NASA theories. So that, who search NASA, meanwhile search flat earth. But everybody search flat earth does not search NASA.

You angry globularists agree or not! You can not change the facts!

That is not what the chart shows.  Stop misrepresenting data.

Interest over time
Numbers represent search interest relative to the highest point on the chart for the given region and time. A value of 100 is the peak popularity for the term. A value of 50 means that the term is half as popular. A score of 0 means there was not enough data for this term.

That's a chart representing level of interest over time.  Putting flat earth and nasa on the same chart is not a comparison to each other.
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#### wise

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #243 on: November 10, 2018, 11:27:18 AM »
In paralel universe, there is no room for flat earth.

We can not compare water and flat earth because they are in different category. But this is for understanding google trends using for compare. A wee see that there is no 100 for flat earth this time. Even there is no 10; even 5.

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#### JackBlack

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #244 on: November 10, 2018, 12:08:31 PM »
As we see that, they are almost compatibled. This is a trend. In past, who research flat earth was randomly action; but now who search for NASA meanwhile search for flat earth.
There is no evidence of that. This doesn't show the same people are searching, just that the interest follows a similar pattern. The geographic breakdown shows that, with some locations searching NASA more and some searching FE more.

Because almost everybody have learned the conspiracy of flat earth about NASA theories.
No, they haven't, as people are yet to show it is a conspiracy.

You angry globularists agree or not! You can not change the facts!
We don't need to change the facts, your methods remain pure garbage with no rational defense.

We can not compare water and flat earth because they are in different category.
So why should we be able to compare FE and Jesus?
Surely they would be in different categories as well:

#### NotSoSkeptical

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #245 on: November 10, 2018, 12:20:48 PM »
TURD, you are misrepresenting data.

First you are looking at just Oklahoma, a single state.

Second the numbers on the chart are only comparable for interest over time and are relative to the highest interest during that period.  That means they don't reflect actual numbers, but a scaled value.  Interest (ie number of searches) does not mean believers.

Here, let's look at what your numbers look like worldwide when you apply it over a year.

In case you are wondering, flat earth averages around 5 on the interest scale, while Nasa hovers at 50 outside of a few bumps and the obvious peak of 100 which is what the data is scaled to.

So on average, that's a 10:1 ratio of interest, but there aren't 10x the number of Nasa believers per your calculations.
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#### NotSoSkeptical

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #246 on: November 10, 2018, 12:36:03 PM »
In paralel universe, there is no room for flat earth.

We can not compare water and flat earth because they are in different category. But this is for understanding google trends using for compare. A wee see that there is no 100 for flat earth this time. Even there is no 10; even 5.

Here you go wise.  The world still cares about Jesus, Nasa, and Porn more than the flat earth.  Registers as <1 the entire chart.

If you remove Porn, flat earth averages between 1 and 2 over the year.

« Last Edit: November 10, 2018, 12:40:47 PM by NotSoSkeptical »
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#### Smoke Machine

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #247 on: November 10, 2018, 11:05:53 PM »
1. The number of actual flat earth believers on the planet, you could squeeze into a small room in a mental institution - the toilet.

2. The rest of the flat earth believers don't actually believe, and are just debaters (I would say "mass debaters") who for want of a better word, are trolls, driving pleasure from watching people waste enormous amounts of time countering their arguments.

3. Then you have trolls trolling the trolls, who think they are trolling flat earth believers for their displayed absolute stupidity, and don't realise they are being trolled themselves.

4. Then you have people trying to work out who's who in the zoo and have a fleeting interest in the motives behind people engaged in such a mass debate, but who quickly move on.

5. Then you have people like Rab, who engage the flat earth troll arguments only to better their own scientific understanding of the world, and don't care about the motives of other debaters.

6. Then you have mass debating trolls who try to recruit gullible people and those with lower IQ into their debating team, and derive pleasure from watching the follower size grow, but then quickly decline as even those people lose interest.

So, Wise, imagine the number of actual flat earth believers standing beside you, the next time you go to the bathroom.

#### rabinoz

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #248 on: November 11, 2018, 12:38:20 AM »
1. The number of actual flat earth believers on the planet, you could squeeze into a small room in a mental institution - the toilet.

2. The rest of the flat earth believers don't actually believe, and are just debaters (I would say "mass debaters") who for want of a better word, are trolls, driving pleasure from watching people waste enormous amounts of time countering their arguments.

3. Then you have trolls trolling the trolls, who think they are trolling flat earth believers for their displayed absolute stupidity, and don't realise they are being trolled themselves.

4. Then you have people trying to work out who's who in the zoo and have a fleeting interest in the motives behind people engaged in such a mass debate, but who quickly move on.

5. Then you have people like Rab, who engage the flat earth troll arguments only to better their own scientific understanding of the world, and don't care about the motives of other debaters.

6. Then you have mass debating trolls who try to recruit gullible people and those with lower IQ into their debating team, and derive pleasure from watching the follower size grow, but then quickly decline as even those people lose interest.

So, Wise, imagine the number of actual flat earth believers standing beside you, the next time you go to the bathroom.
7. And then the "flat earth" YouTubers whose main aim is to rake in "pocket money" money from gullible adoring "worshipers".

#### Smoke Machine

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #249 on: November 11, 2018, 12:50:30 AM »
Yep, thanks Rab, I forgot about them.

There are certain undisputed beliefs held by the masses. Believing, knowing, and understanding we live on a globe in space is a belief held by the masses. It helps the world go round, much like the mass belief and fact, man landed on and walked on the moon in 1969 and after, in those Apollo missions.

To debate beliefs like these, held by the masses, makes you a mass belief debater. Or, because you're debating the masses, it makes you a mass debater.

This is why these topics get so many hits on YouTube, because they target the ingrained beliefs held by the masses.

#### wise

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #250 on: November 11, 2018, 07:14:45 AM »
Alt of barinoz detected. Alt of barinoz ignored.

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#### NotSoSkeptical

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #251 on: November 11, 2018, 10:02:06 AM »
Alt of barinoz detected. Alt of barinoz ignored.

Turd detected.  Turd detected.
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#### Lonegranger

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« Reply #252 on: November 11, 2018, 09:33:14 PM »
Yep, thanks Rab, I forgot about them.

There are certain undisputed beliefs held by the masses. Believing, knowing, and understanding we live on a globe in space is a belief held by the masses. It helps the world go round, much like the mass belief and fact, man landed on and walked on the moon in 1969 and after, in those Apollo missions.

To debate beliefs like these, held by the masses, makes you a mass belief debater. Or, because you're debating the masses, it makes you a mass debater.

This is why these topics get so many hits on YouTube, because they target the ingrained beliefs held by the masses.

Firstly the majority of the beliefs and knowledge we have pre-date the 20th century. Many people on this forum appear to ignore all the discoveries made during the renaissance and the enlightenment imagining it was all done by some nefarious committee in some 1950s darkroom to hoodwink the people. I know where all my views and beliefs come from, but how about yours? Other that stuff you’ve gleaned from fiddling around on your computer, where are your views from, and how do you suddenly imagine they are superior to current human knowledge?

#### Smoke Machine

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #253 on: November 12, 2018, 07:03:32 AM »
Lonegranger, you appear to have misread my posts. At no time have I suggested any views inconsistent with the accumulated human knowledge held dear by the masses. So, where do your views and beliefs come from, then?

#### wise

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #254 on: December 23, 2018, 02:51:48 AM »
23 December 2018 search results

Jesus 1.350.000.000
محمد. 776.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 253.000.000
judaism 55.800.000
flat earth 573.000.000

calculating number of believers in December 2018

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.350.000.000
Search to flat earth: 573.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 573.000.000 / 1.350.000.000 = 934.777.777

Number of flat earth believers was 864.687.820 in November 2018

In other say,

Number of flat earth believers increased  8% in one month.

PS: There is a Turkish preverb as: "The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.". Thats all I can say for the following comments.

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#### JackBlack

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« Reply #255 on: December 23, 2018, 04:02:55 AM »
We'll use same method that we always use.
So still using a completely useless method which requires more people than exist to believe in water, meaning your results are useless.

#### Gumwars

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« Reply #256 on: December 28, 2018, 10:13:26 PM »
Wise, using your methodology will eventually result in a number of "believers" that exceed the population of the planet.  You do realize this, right?
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#### Stash

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« Reply #257 on: December 29, 2018, 12:35:34 AM »
Wow, almost a billion 'believers' and not a working flat earth model or map in sight. Makes one question the whole notion around the advantages of crowd-sourcing.

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #258 on: December 29, 2018, 04:33:21 AM »
Wise, using your methodology will eventually result in a number of "believers" that exceed the population of the planet.  You do realize this, right?

It has been asked by angry globularists earlier. You can compare terms in same category. However, exceptions may be exist.

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#### Stash

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« Reply #259 on: December 29, 2018, 11:51:25 AM »
Wise, using your methodology will eventually result in a number of "believers" that exceed the population of the planet.  You do realize this, right?

It has been asked by angry globularists earlier. You can compare terms in same category. However, exceptions may be exist.

And that 'category' being religion. Interestingly, not 'science'.

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#### JackBlack

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« Reply #260 on: December 29, 2018, 01:07:49 PM »
It has been asked by angry globularists earlier. You can compare terms in same category. However, exceptions may be exist.
You are yet to establish that and instead have just baselessly asserted it.

You haven't even established that they are in the same category, yet you rely upon it.
Previously you also included things like NASA as in the same category.

#### wise

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« Reply #261 on: December 29, 2018, 08:06:27 PM »
Wise, using your methodology will eventually result in a number of "believers" that exceed the population of the planet.  You do realize this, right?

It has been asked by angry globularists earlier. You can compare terms in same category. However, exceptions may be exist.

And that 'category' being religion. Interestingly, not 'science'.

Nasa is in same category. I have listed it too as a belief for a while.

Because belief on the shape of the earth for majority depends on their belief, not scientific examinations. For us, it is a science, but for majority it is not.

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#### JackBlack

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« Reply #262 on: December 30, 2018, 03:17:02 AM »
Nasa is in same category. I have listed it too as a belief for a while.
Like a belief in water?
Which requires more people than exist.
Again, you need to show that your method works even for things in the same category, and then show that FE is in that category.
Otherwise you are just pulling numbers from garbage.

Because belief on the shape of the earth for majority depends on their belief, not scientific examinations. For us, it is a science, but for majority it is not.
No, for most people it is science.
For FEers, it isn't. They reject the science and use nonsense instead.
All the available science which has anything to say regarding the shape of Earth says it is round, not flat.

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#### New Earth

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« Reply #263 on: December 31, 2018, 11:37:08 AM »
With all due respect guys, why you such nerds? Statistic or not, who gives a fuck how many believers? Sometimes one believer  is enough and sometimes billions could be wrong. Remember just short time ago we all believed that Pluto was a planet LOL
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#### JackBlack

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« Reply #264 on: December 31, 2018, 12:47:31 PM »
With all due respect guys, why you such nerds? Statistic or not, who gives a fuck how many believers? Sometimes one believer  is enough and sometimes billions could be wrong. Remember just short time ago we all believed that Pluto was a planet LOL
Technically based upon the actual definitions, Pluto was never a planet1, and not many people considered it to be a planet1. However Pluto was considered a planet2 and actually is a planet2.

1 - Current definition of planet requiring it to have cleared its neighbourhood.
2 - Old definition of planet which means the solar system has loads of planets.

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#### Themightykabool

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« Reply #265 on: December 31, 2018, 02:57:59 PM »
With all due respect guys, why you such nerds? Statistic or not, who gives a fuck how many believers? Sometimes one believer  is enough and sometimes billions could be wrong. Remember just short time ago we all believed that Pluto was a planet LOL

As long as your mom thinks youre the best who cares what anyone else says right?

Side note.
You do realize by participating, youre at the same nerd party as the rest of us.
Thanks for coming out.

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#### New Earth

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« Reply #266 on: January 01, 2019, 10:23:06 AM »
Yeah may be I'm also a nerd but your mom still likes me.
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#### wise

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #267 on: February 05, 2019, 01:59:36 AM »
With all due respect guys, why you such nerds? Statistic or not, who gives a fuck how many believers? Sometimes one believer  is enough and sometimes billions could be wrong. Remember just short time ago we all believed that Pluto was a planet LOL

And almost all of people still think Venus being a planet.

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#### wise

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##### Re: Calculating the number of believers (as of April 2017, 30 millions)
« Reply #268 on: February 05, 2019, 02:00:59 AM »
5 February 2019, the year of revolution search results,

Jesus 1.330.000.000
محمد. 714.000.000  محمد.
Hindu 214.000.000
judaism 41.800.000
flat earth 394.000.000
nasa: 357.000.000

calculating number of believers in February 2019

We'll use same method that we always use.

Number of Jesus believers: 2.200.000.000
Search to jesus: 1.330.000.000
Search to flat earth: 394.000.000

Number of flat earth believers by using ratio:
2.200.000.000 x 394.000.000 / 1.330.000.000 = 651.729.323

Number of flat earth believers was 934.777.777 in December 2018

In other say,

Number of flat earth believers decreased  30% in two months. We have to focus on the reasons of people are leaving the flat earth theory.

On the other hand, nasa believers have decreased too. And belief on flat earth is still more than nasa belief. This is our only one solace.

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#### JackBlack

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« Reply #269 on: February 05, 2019, 02:34:38 AM »
And almost all of people still think Venus being a planet.
Because it still is one?

Number of Jesus believers: 2,200,000,000
Search to jesus: 1,140,000,000
Search to water: 8,450,000,000

Number of water believers by using ratio:
2,200,000,000 x 8,450,000,000 / 1,140,000,000 = 16,307,017,544

So twice as many people than exist believe in water.
Looks like your method is still horribly broken.

We have to focus on the reasons of people are leaving the flat earth theory.
Or you have to focus on why your methodology is so fundamentally flawed that it isn't actually calculating the number of believers.

On the other hand, nasa believers have decreased too. And belief on flat earth is still more than nasa belief.
Even if you want to use your excuse, NASA and Flat Earth are not in the same category and thus your method cannot determine the number of believers. As you have made clear, FEism is a religion, comparable to other religions like Christianity. It is not an organisation like NASA is and thus you cannot compare the 2.