The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres

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Tides are not formed along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those coasts where there is a high speed of currents.
And the higher the speed of currents along the coast, the higher the amplitude of the tidal wave.
On those coasts where the speed of currents is 0 km / h, the amplitude of the tides is also 0 meters.

The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming cyclonic gyres.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre
And everything that rotates, including the cycles, has the property of a gyroscope - to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.

If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the gyres, rotating with the Earth, turn over twice a day, thanks to which the gyres precess (sway by 1-2 degrees) and reflect a tidal wave from themselves along the entire perimeter of the gyre.
https://goo.gl/images/M4SJq8 http://goo.gl/AM5g1s

The waters of the White Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a huge gyroscope whirlwind, which precessing reflects the tidal wave along the entire perimeter of the White Sea. A similar pattern of tides is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
White Sea. http://rivermaps.ru/doc/beloe/beloe-3.htm
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png

The waters of the Mediterranean Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming tides 10–15 cm high. In the Gulf of Gabes, off the coast of Tunisia, the height of the tides reaches three meters, and sometimes more, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, the whirlpool rotates in the Gulf of Gabes, precessing reflecting an additional tidal wave.
The tidal wave in the Amazon River creates a huge planetary circulation with a diameter of several thousand km., Rotating between South America and North Africa, covering the mouth of the Amazon River.
The pattern of movement of the tidal wave along the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary circulation (according to satellite data). http://goo.gl/R1hx0H

The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the rotation.
The height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the rotation, the orbital velocity of the Earth and the time of the rotation of the rotation (12 hours).
A = V1 • V2 / t
Where, A is the amplitude of the tidal wave.
V1 is the rotation speed of the rotation.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t is the time of the rollover of the cycle (12 hours).
Table of tidal amplitude versus current velocity, on all coasts.
1 km / h - 1 meter.
5 km / h - 5 meter.
10 km / h - 10 meter.
15 km / h - 15 meter.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the cycle, the amount of water under the cycle, the distance from the coast to the cycle and on the direction of the current (north, south, west, east).
The currents that move along the equator reflect a tidal wave north and south twice a day.
And the currents that move along the meridian reflect a tidal wave west and east 1-2 times a day.
A simple experiment can be made if you rotate the globe around the axis and in orbit, entwined along the equator and meridian with a plastic hose in which the fluid moves.
By the height of the tides, you can determine the speed of the current along the coast, relying on the map of sea currents.

The tidal cycle theory can be easily verified by relating the tidal height to the rotation speed of the cycle.
List of seas, with an average flow rate of more than 0.5 km / h and tidal heights of more than 50 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargas Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Alaska Bay, etc.
List of seas, with an average flow rate of less than 0.5 km / h, and a tidal height of less than 50 cm:
Baltic Sea, Greenland Sea, Black Sea, Sea of ​​Azov, Chukchi Sea, Kara Sea, Laptev Sea, Red Sea, Sea of ​​Marmara, Caribbean Sea, Sea of ​​Japan, Gulf of Mexico, etc.
https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_seas
USSR Sea http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/
Experience on the topic: Tides - the result of the rotation of the Earth and the cycles

Continuation: "The mechanism of thermoregulation of the Earth."
Forum Akademgorodok Novosibirsk. The science. https://forum.academ.club/index.php?showtopic=1235578
Forum of Nizhny Novgorod State University named after N.I. Lobachevsky.
http://forum.unn.ru/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=10331&sid=cfbc49e0cf32263eff20888ca205ab15
The opening was published in the Russian-German peer-reviewed journal “Eastern European Scientific Journal” No. 3/2015. Page 64. June
Scientific journal NBIKS-Nauka.Tehnologii No. 4/2018. Page 104.
(Nanotechnological Society of Russia).
English forum. "Weather/Earth sciences" https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35094.0
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Criticism of the lunar theory of tides.

According to the Static Tidal Theory, the Lunar tidal wave moves from east to west following the moon, at a speed of 1600 km / h, skirting the Earth in 24 hours, flooding only the eastern shores of the continents. But after centuries it was discovered.
1. That the Lunar tidal wave floods both the western and southern and northern coasts of the continents?
2. That the speed of a tidal wave of 1600 km / h is detrimental to both continents and marine fauna?
3. That not two tidal humps function simultaneously across the globe, but more than a hundred, regardless of the location of the Moon?
4. That abnormally high tides for some reason are formed in semi-closed bays, where there is no direct access to the tidal wave. And in the bays open to the tidal wave, there are no tides at all, or are they small?

Later, the Dynamic theory of tides was proposed, which was supposed to answer all the questions posed.
According to the dynamic theory of tides, the Lunar tidal wave moves from east to west at a speed of 800 to 1600 km / h.
Crashing into the continents, part of the wave is scattered in place, and the reflected part rotates around the ocean, thanks to the Coriolis effect. Like water that spins in a cup when you slide the cup back and forth.
The only link on the Internet that reveals the "essence" of the dynamic theory of tides. http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
 
But the dynamic theory of tides does not answer all the questions posed.
1. What is the mechanism of tidal wave scattering in the region of collision of the tidal hump with the continent?
2. If the cup of water is moved back and forth, the water will splash out and not rotate.
3. How does the tidal current that travels along the coast create the ebb and flow?
4. While the tidal wave makes one revolution around the Earth, the Moon makes two revolutions, how is the gravitational connection between the Moon and the tidal hump carried out?
5. In order for the Lunar tidal hump to exist, a nonuniform gravitational field is necessary, and for this, the Moon must constantly be above the hump, otherwise the hump will fall apart?
6. If the Moon created the tidal hump on Earth, it would not be an ellipse but a "drop". (The force of gravity is stacked, not compensated)?
7. Tidal waves are synchronized with the diurnal rotation of the earth and lag behind by 50 minutes daily.
The moon is out of sync with the tidal waves. (There is only one moon, but there are hundreds of tidal waves on Earth)?
8. It is believed that anomalously high "Tides of the century" with an amplitude of 15 meters in the Gulf of Saint-Malo are formed during the parade of planets, then why in other bays of the Northern Hemisphere, during the parade of planets, abnormally high "Tides of the century" are not formed.
Moreover, in some bays of the Northern Hemisphere during the parade of the planets, abnormally low tides of the century are formed. (Bay of Fundy, Ungava Bay, Mezen Bay, Penzhinskaya Bay, etc.)?
9. According to the lunar tide theory, the maximum tides in the northern hemisphere should occur in the summer, when the moon and sun move over the seas of the northern hemisphere.
In reality, the maximum tides in the northern hemisphere are formed - in spring and autumn, when the Moon and the Sun are in the southern hemisphere.
The record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21 meters - occurred on the night of October 5, 1869, when the Moon and Sun were in the southern hemisphere.
The cyclical theory of tides explains this by the fact that the speed of rotation of the gyres increases in spring and autumn.
10. How to explain the fact that in the Southwest Australia in the port of Fremantle the tides are significant for part of the year and then disappear.
Once a year, in the Northern Dvina delta, during the spring flood, the ebb and flow mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature?
11. According to the Lunar tide theory, the maximum tides are formed in the phase of the new moon and full moon, and the minimum - in the first and last quarter.
But in reality, the maximum tides are formed in the new moon phase, the minimum - in the full moon phase.
12. The modern tide table is made by trial and error, and adjusted to the lunar theory of tides.
It is quite easy to compile a tide table by trial and error, for the reason that the tide heights are almost the same every year, except for the bays into which the rivers flow.
Tide tables were compiled long before the discovery of tide theory (by trial and error).
The same tables are used today; they are updated annually based on long-term data.
13. What theory was the Chinese tidal calendar based on in 1100?
The editorial board of the journal is ready to withdraw the article if an objective critical review is written. Scientific journal "NBIKS-Science. Technologies" http://www.rusnor.org/pubs/articles/15638.htm
The rule of recall (retraction) of an article from publication
https://rasep.ru/sovet-po-etike/pravilo-otzyva-retragirovaniya-stati-ot-publikatsii
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Re: The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2017, 01:50:21 AM »
The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools. 

The discovery published in the Russian-German scientific journal "Eastern European Scientific Journal" №3. 2015. Positive review was obtained from the Institute of Geography, Russian Academy of Sciences..

The waters of lakes, seas and oceans of the Northern Hemisphere rotate counter-clockwise, and the waters of the Southern Hemisphere, rotate clockwise, forming giant vortices ..

It is known, what  everything that rotates , including swirls have the property of retaining the gyroscope axis upright in space regardless of the Earth's rotation..

If you look at the Earth from the Sun, whirlpools spinning with the earth overturned, twice a day, making whirlpools precess and reflect on my own tidal wave around the perimeter of the sea..

The waters of the Gulf Maine waters are rotate counter clockwise to form a huge whirlpool, a gyroscope, which reflects the precessing tidal wave around the perimeter of the Gulf of Maine.
A similar scheme tides observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
Continued: Forum MEPhI
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Re: The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2017, 04:35:00 AM »
The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools. 

The discovery published in the Russian-German scientific journal "Eastern European Scientific Journal" №3. 2015. Positive review was obtained from the Institute of Geography, Russian Academy of Sciences..

The waters of lakes, seas and oceans of the Northern Hemisphere rotate counter-clockwise, and the waters of the Southern Hemisphere, rotate clockwise, forming giant vortices ..

It is known, what  everything that rotates , including swirls have the property of retaining the gyroscope axis upright in space regardless of the Earth's rotation..

If you look at the Earth from the Sun, whirlpools spinning with the earth overturned, twice a day, making whirlpools precess and reflect on my own tidal wave around the perimeter of the sea..

The waters of the Gulf Maine waters are rotate counter clockwise to form a huge whirlpool, a gyroscope, which reflects the precessing tidal wave around the perimeter of the Gulf of Maine.
A similar scheme tides observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
Continued: Forum MEPhI
https://mephi.ru/communication/forum/talk/forum13/topic5498/messages/

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Re: The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2017, 06:52:32 PM »
The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools. 

The discovery published in the Russian-German scientific journal "Eastern European Scientific Journal" №3. 2015. Positive review was obtained from the Institute of Geography, Russian Academy of Sciences..

The waters of lakes, seas and oceans of the Northern Hemisphere rotate counter-clockwise, and the waters of the Southern Hemisphere, rotate clockwise, forming giant vortices ..

It is known, what  everything that rotates , including swirls have the property of retaining the gyroscope axis upright in space regardless of the Earth's rotation..

If you look at the Earth from the Sun, whirlpools spinning with the earth overturned, twice a day, making whirlpools precess and reflect on my own tidal wave around the perimeter of the sea..

The waters of the Gulf Maine waters are rotate counter clockwise to form a huge whirlpool, a gyroscope, which reflects the precessing tidal wave around the perimeter of the Gulf of Maine.
A similar scheme tides observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
Continued: Forum MEPhI
https://mephi.ru/communication/forum/talk/forum13/topic5498/messages/

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Re: The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools
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Re: The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2017, 12:03:44 PM »

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Re: The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2018, 11:38:56 AM »
The local topography of the area is biggest influence on the magnitude of tides.
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Re: The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2018, 01:22:15 AM »
Criticism of the lunar theory of the tides.

According to the lunar theory of tides, in temperate zones tidal force raises the earth's crust to a height of 20 cm, and at the equator more than 50 cm.
Then why are the tides in the equatorial zone three times lower than in the temperate zones?
The maximum height of the tides in the temperate zones is:
1) Fundy Bay in North America - 18 m.
2) The mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m.
3) Bay of Mont Saint-Michel in France - 15 m.
The maximum height of the tides in the equatorial zone is:
1) Maraca Brazil - 9 m.
2) Balboa Panama - 5 m.
3) Zanzibar Tanzania - 3.5 m.
Information about the tides in some ports of the world.
https://www.krugosvet.ru/enc/Earth_sciences/geografiya/PRILIVI_I_OTLIVI.html
The tidal cycle theory explains this discrepancy by the absence of the Coriolis force at the equator, which is necessary for the formation of cycles, cyclones and anticyclones.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0730201f0f095995e9cc6c7c9875519
According to the lunar theory of tides, abnormally high tides should occur at the equator and not in the temperate zones.
Quote: “a half-meter“ lunar tidal wave ”, such as a mini-tsunami, rushes to the eastern coast of the continents at the equator at a supersonic speed. https://scfh.ru/lecture/prilivy-i-otlivy-v-moryakh-i-vo-vselennoy/


How to understand the fact that the amplitude of the tides in the Bay of Fundy yesterday was 6 meters, and today is 18 meters?
What changes have occurred overnight, for such a sharp jump?
We have two possible answers:
1. For a day, the force of gravity increased three times.
2. During the day, the rotation speed of the rotation has increased three times.

Record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the entire history of observations, on the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869.
On the night of October 4-5 in 1869, under the influence of the Saxby Gale cyclone, a record rainfall fell over the river basins flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm per day), thanks to which the waters of the Bay of Fundy poured into the Bay of Man and increased their rotation speed gyre in the Gulf of Maine three times.

During the flood of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the current speed in the north of the Gulf of Maine rises to 20 km / h, with the result that the height of the tides reaches 18 meters.
During a drought over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides does not exceed three meters.
And the most important question is why in the season of abnormally high tides in the Bay of Fundy, in other bays of the Northern Hemisphere, the amplitude of the tides does not increase?
A similar pattern of abnormally high tides (floods) is observed in all bays into which rivers flow.

Real-time animation shows how waters flowing into the Bay of Man from the Bay of Fundy form a cycle that, precessing, reflects a tidal wave toward the Bay of Fundy.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=-65.27,44.29,3000/loc=-66.405,44.310
https://images.app.goo.gl/hAE4F7kyMQ1mhcAF9
Mezen Bay White Sea tide height reaches 10 m.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR245zpmdxn7SmOQdJ7qF9HhRn-54AYSZIChWmA6-0A2rXyJ9y2UivmtlZA#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=42.30,67.95,3000/loc=44.019,65.946
Tides - table. http://www.prilivy.com

Why is there a high content of hydrogen sulfide in the east of the Mediterranean Sea and there are no tides?

According to the “lunar theory of tides,” a tidal wave enters the Mediterranean Sea through the Strait of Gibraltar, pulsating every 12 hours and until the east of the Mediterranean tidal wave barely reaches.
And according to the circulation theory of the tides, the flow that flows into the Mediterranean Sea spins the cycles much faster than in the east of the Mediterranean Sea.
According to the “lunar theory of tides,” a tidal wave in the Atlantic Ocean moves from east to west after the moon, and crashes into the eastern coast of South and North America.
Then, reflecting, it moves back east and flows into the throat of the Mediterranean, Baltic, White and other seas.
The pattern of tidal wave movement from the North Atlantic Ocean to Chukotka. https://www.esr.org/research/polar-tide-models/movies/?fbclid=IwAR3fB506PI_LBQcjUyDVVjtSjLNW_voHpajgMBjuTXOPK9I4aMGcdT8rFYg
The height of the tides in the west of the Mediterranean Sea reaches 1.2 meters, in the east of 15 cm.
The average depth of the Mediterranean Sea is 1500 meters, in the east 1700 meters. The maximum depth is 5000 meters.

In the Indian Ocean, a tidal wave with a height of 0.5 meters, obeying the dynamic theory of tides, moves from east to west at a speed of 800 - 1600 km / h. Crashing into the eastern coast of the island of Madagascar creates tides 1.5 meters high, and abnormally high tides up to 7 meters high, for some reason are formed in the west of the island of Madagascar.
And it should be the other way around.
Wikipedia explains this discrepancy by the reflection of waves and the fact that the Coriolis force does its job.
And the real reason for this inconsistency is the giant cycle that revolves around the island of Madagascar at a speed of up to 9 km / h, precessing, reflecting a tidal wave towards the west coast of the island of Madagascar.

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_mys_Igolny
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_current

Wikipedia explains the tidal physics in many languages ​​of the world, and different formulas are written in each language, and in some languages ​​there are no formulas at all.
And there are no real, digital calculations of the tidal heights of a particular bay or coast.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide
By the degree of discrepancy of a particular theory, one can judge the degree of inaccuracy of the theory.
In Wikipedia and the encyclopedia, gravitational and centrifugal forces are equally explained in all languages.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force

The modern table of tides is made by trial and error and customized to the lunar theory of tides.
According to the lunar theory of tides, maximum tides are formed in the phase of the new moon and full moon.
And according to the tidal theory of tides, the maximum tides are formed in the new moon phase and the minimum in the full moon phase.
Creating a tidal table by trial and error is quite simple, because the height of the tides is almost the same every year, with the exception of the bays into which the rivers flow.
Tide tables were compiled long before the discovery of the theory of tides (trial and error).
The same tables are used today, they are annually adjusted based on long-term data.
Based on the "lunar theory of tides", tides can be predicted for many years to come.
And based on the tidal theory of tides, it is not possible to predict the height of tides, because it is not known at what speed tomorrow the cycles will rotate.
In the Bay of Fundy, the lunar theory does not work, due to the large range of tidal amplitudes, from 6 to 18 m.
Lunar theory predicts well where there is a small range of tidal amplitudes, from 0.5 to 1 m. (There will be a small error).
Galileo called the lunar theory of the tides frivolous, a sad return to the realm of mystical nonsense, and preferred to explain the tides by the rotation of our planet.
D.G. Darwin wrote in 1911: “There is no need to search for ancient literature for the sake of the grotesque theories of tides.” However, sailors manage to measure their height and use the possibilities of the tides, not having an idea of ​​the real causes of their occurrence.
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In the Bay of Fundy today’s tide range can be 6 meters and tomorrow 18 meters.
What is the reason for such a sharp jump?
That does not happen.

When you have to lie, you know your argument is shit.
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In the Bay of Fundy today’s tide range can be 6 meters and tomorrow 18 meters.
What is the reason for such a sharp jump?
That does not happen.

When you have to lie, you know your argument is shit.
Also it’s not the force of gravity rather the change in gravity across the earth.

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In the Bay of Fundy today’s tide range can be 6 meters and tomorrow 18 meters.
Really?
Please show where "In the Bay of Fundy today’s tide range can be 6 meters and tomorrow 18 meters." The best I can find is:

If you know of a location that better demonstrates the "tidal bore" please show the tide heights at that location.

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What is the reason for such a sharp jump?
I see no "sharp jump" so before wasting my time answering that claim please sow you evidence that you claim is correct and that there is any "sharp jump".

But I will say this. It is probably quite true that:
"The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres" with the driving functions of these "gyres" being mainly the tidal gravitational effects of the moon and sun.

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In the Bay of Fundy today’s tide range can be 6 meters and tomorrow 18 meters.
What is the reason for such a sharp jump?
That does not happen.

When you have to lie, you know your argument is shit.
Also it’s not the force of gravity rather the change in gravity across the earth.
Do you realize how stupid this is? Probably not or you wouldn't have wasted the time to write it.
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In the Bay of Fundy today’s tide range can be 6 meters and tomorrow 18 meters.
What is the reason for such a sharp jump?
That does not happen.

When you have to lie, you know your argument is shit.
Also it’s not the force of gravity rather the change in gravity across the earth.
Do you realize how stupid this is? Probably not or you wouldn't have wasted the time to write it.

Show me up by explaining why.
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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2019, 03:17:40 AM »
This feels like fermer should be posting in the flat earth information suppository. The place where information goes to die.
He is not responding to any posts, so I don't think he wants discussion, just a place to put his ideas.


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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2019, 11:42:59 AM »
This feels like fermer should be posting in the flat earth information suppository. The place where information goes to die.
He is not responding to any posts, so I don't think he wants discussion, just a place to put his ideas.
Please indicate the name of the coast, the depth of the coast and the speed of the current along the coast.
And I will say the height of the tide.

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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2020, 09:45:44 AM »

Please indicate the name of the coast, the depth of the coast and the speed of the current along the coast. And I will say the height of the tide.

Silver Strand, Sea level, (+/-) 1.25 knots.

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Re: The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2020, 07:36:58 PM »
The local topography of the area is biggest influence on the magnitude of tides.
The assertion that local geographic conditions, especially the narrowing bay and the depth of the coast, is theoretically and experimentally unconfirmed information taken from the ceiling has a great influence on the tide height.
The filling of the bay lasts 6 hours and is extremely slow at a barely noticeable speed, this can be easily checked in the kitchen with the help of a saucer.
The shape of the bay can increase the height of the tides up to two times, but not ten times.
The average tidal height in all oceans is 1 meter. In the Bay of Fundy, the height of the tides reaches 18 meters.

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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2020, 06:07:01 AM »
From https://bayoffundytourism.com/worlds-highest-tides/how-do-the-tides-work/:
Quote from: https://bayoffundytourism.com/worlds-highest-tides/how-do-the-tides-work/
Tides are the periodic rise and fall of the sea caused by the gravitational pull of the moon and the sun on the Earth. Fundy’s tides are the highest in the world because of an unusual combination of factors: resonance and the shape of the bay.

The water in the Bay of Fundy has a natural resonance or rocking motion called seiche. You could compare this to the movement of water in a bathtub. Although the water in a bathtub sloshes from one end to the other and back again in a few seconds, it takes about 13 hours for the water in the bay to rock from the mouth of the bay to the head of the bay and back again. As the ocean tide rises and floods into the bay every 12 hours and 25 minutes, it reinforces the rocking motion.

To imagine this, picture an adult giving a gentle push to a child on a swing. Just a very small push is required to keep the swing moving. Likewise the seiche in the bay is sustained by the natural resonance of the ocean tides.

The bay’s shape and bottom topography are secondary factors contributing to Fundy’s high tides. The bay becomes narrower and shallower — from 130 m (426′) to 40 m (131′) — toward the upper bay, forcing the water higher up onto the shores.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_resonance
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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2020, 05:05:01 PM »
Tidal waves are synchronized with the daily rotation of the earth and daily lag up to 50 minutes.
That's a bit of a coincidence then because the time of the Moon's zenith also lags about 50 minutes a day.
But the Sun ahs about 50% of the tidal effect of the Moon so that makes the time vary from the 50 minutes a day.

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The moon is not in sync with the tidal waves. (The moon is one, and there are hundreds of tidal waves on Earth)?
The times and heights of the tides are also greatly affected by the profile of the ocean floor as in case of the Bay of Fundy with its tidal bore and Pensacola that commonly gets one high and one low tide per day.

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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2020, 05:29:03 PM »
Wikipedia explains the tide physics in many languages ​​of the world, and different formulas are written in each language, and in some languages ​​there are no formulas at all.
And there are no real, digital calculations of the tidal heights of a particular bay or coast.
And I doubt that there ever will be.
The driving forces due to the gravitational tidal forces of the Sun and Moon are reasonably calculable.
These rotate about the Globe at the rotation rates of the Earth relative to the Sun (averaging 24 hours) and relative to the Moon (averaging about 24.83 hours) and so are predictable.

While these are predictable the orbital eccentricities of the Moon's orbit around the Earth and the Earth's orbit about the Sun make such calculations very complex.

But the other effects such as those below are either extremely complicated or unpredictable:
  • the extremely complicated coastal sea-bed profiles around the many islands and continents with their numerous bays and inlets etc.

  • The winds both over the open ocean and more so near the coasts are quite unpredictable and simply could not be included in any "real, digital calculations of the tidal heights of a particular bay or coast".
So while the causes of the tides and the basic theory might be known there is no way that "real, digital calculations of the tidal heights of a particular bay or coast" could be.

So I see it as true that "The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth" but these ocean "gyres" are also due to the same tidal effects that control tide height.

The gyres and other complex flows are generally due to two or more currents "colliding".

That's how I see it anyway.



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Re: The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2020, 01:14:17 PM »
According to the lunar theory of tides, in temperate zones tidal force raises the earth's crust to a height of 20 cm, and at the equator more than 50 cm.
Then why are the tides in the equatorial zone three times lower than in the temperate zones?
The maximum height of the tides in the temperate zones is:
1) Fundy Bay in North America - 18 m.
2) The mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m.
3) Bay of Mont Saint-Michel in France - 15 m.
The maximum height of the tides in the equatorial zone is:
1) Maraca Brazil - 9 m.
2) Balboa Panama - 5 m.
3) Zanzibar Tanzania - 3.5 m.
Information about the tides in some ports of the world.
https://www.krugosvet.ru/enc/Earth_sciences/geografiya/PRILIVI_I_OTLIVI.html
The tidal cycle theory explains this discrepancy by the absence of the Coriolis force at the equator, which is necessary for the formation of cycles, cyclones and anticyclones.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0730201f0f095995e9cc6c7c9875519
According to the lunar theory of tides, abnormally high tides should occur at the equator and not in the temperate zones.
Quote: “a half-meter“ lunar tidal wave ”, such as a mini-tsunami, rushes to the eastern coast of the continents at the equator at a supersonic speed. https://scfh.ru/lecture/prilivy-i-otlivy-v-moryakh-i-vo-vselennoy/

Who knows the answer to this question?

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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2020, 06:18:28 AM »
The indisputable dynamic theory of tides has not yet been written. For this reason, the dynamic theory of tides, in fact being a hypothesis, is poorly covered on the Internet.
At the same time, the dynamic theory is considered the main theory, it is taught in educational institutions and on it are calendars of tides.
According to the dynamic theory of tides, the lunar tidal wave moves from east to west at a speed of 800 to 1,600 km / h. Crashing into the continents, part of the wave scatters in place, and the reflected part rotates around the ocean due to the Coriolis effect. Like water that rotates in a cup if you move the cup back and forth.
The only link on the Internet that reveals the "essence" of the dynamic theory of tides. http://www.iupui.edu/~g115/mod12/lecture07.html
 
Questions arise:
1. What happens in the region where the tidal hump collides with the continent?
2. If you move the cup of water back and forth, the water will splash out, not spin.
3. Does the gravity of the moon affect the speed of the secondary tidal wave, which moves from west to east?
4. Is the moon in sync with secondary tidal waves?
5. Four tidal humps, two moons and two suns simultaneously move across the Earth. Do primary and secondary tidal waves collide with each other?
6. How does a current that moves along the coast create tides?
7. As you know, the Coriolis effect rejects objects that move only along the meridian. Coriolis force does not deflect objects that move along the equator.
8. Why does the Coriolis force not deflect the lunar tidal wave, which moves from east to west?
9. The Coriolis effect is able to deflect only the current, but not the tidal wave and tsunami.
10. Does the Coriolis effect affect the atmosphere and continents?
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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2020, 12:55:21 PM »
The problem with the study of tides is that researchers are hesitant to completely reject the idea of ​​the effect of the moon on tides. Focusing on a small increase in the height of the tides in the new moon phase. By asserting that since the height of the tides rises in the new moon phase, the moon is involved in the tides. And do not pay attention to a dozen other mismatches.
The tide table was compiled before and after the static theory of tides by trial and error, based on experience and long-term data. At one time, the solar calendars were also drawn up by trial and error, being sure that the sun revolved around the earth.

And according to the circulation theory of tides, the height of the tides also depends on the orbital velocity of the Earth. Which, in the new moon is maximum and in the full moon is minimal, due to the rotation of the moon around the earth.
A = V1 • V2 / t.
If, you move in a car weighing 800 kg., And around the car rotates a load of 10 kg. Thanks to the load, the car will move unevenly.
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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2020, 05:32:31 AM »
The height of the tides in the North Sea and in the English Channel depends on the speed and duration of the west and east winds on the south coast of the North Sea.
And to predict the height of the tides, it’s enough to go to the coast. And do not watch the parade of planets. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:North_Sea_Currents.svg

Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2020, 06:45:19 AM »
The height of the tides in the North Sea and in the English Channel depends on the speed and duration of the west and east winds on the south coast of the North Sea.
And to predict the height of the tides, it’s enough to go to the coast. And do not watch the parade of planets. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:North_Sea_Currents.svg
This is an interesting thread.  But, it's all just claims.  How would any of what your claiming be used to calculate high/low tides?  It's something that we do very accurately so what exactly would the inputs for calculating high an low tides based on your claims?

For example answer this question: How would you calculate when the king & neap tides would occur (date & time) and what their respective heights would be?

Mike
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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2020, 07:32:53 AM »
 
It's something that we do very accurately so what exactly would the inputs for calculating high an low tides
Mike
You can give a link to the source where you studied the dynamic theory of tides.

Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2020, 01:01:01 PM »
 
It's something that we do very accurately so what exactly would the inputs for calculating high an low tides
Mike
You can give a link to the source where you studied the dynamic theory of tides.
Interesting reply.  Are you implying that tide tables don't exist or that they are inaccurate?  Or, are you just trying to somehow intimidate me and get me to back down?

The fact is tide table exist and accurately the magnitude and times of tides.  I have made no claims about how those calculations should be done and I never made claims about my qualifications so no justifications to you are necessary.  That is unless you're just trying to obfuscate to avoid my question.

I'm simply trying to understand how you would calculate the high/low tide heights and times base on your model.  You must have worked this out if even in a rudimentary forum...right?

Mike
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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2020, 05:10:42 AM »
Table of tidal amplitude versus current velocity, on all coasts.
1 km / h - 1 meter.
5 km / h - 5 meter.
10 km / h - 10 meter.
15 km / h - 15 meter.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the cycle, the amount of water under the cycle, the distance from the coast to the cycle and on the direction of the current (north, south, west, east).

So, are you saying that this allows you to calculate the tide times and heights anywhere in the world at any time in the future? 

Mike
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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2020, 02:45:17 PM »
Table of tidal amplitude versus current velocity, on all coasts.
1 km / h - 1 meter.
5 km / h - 5 meter.
10 km / h - 10 meter.
15 km / h - 15 meter.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the cycle, the amount of water under the cycle, the distance from the coast to the cycle and on the direction of the current (north, south, west, east).

And what is that "driving force" behind these cycles? Why are their periods curiously synchronised with the periods of the Moon and Sun's apparent rotation around the Earth?

Might it not be the very slight tidal accelerations due to the Moon and the Sun moving around the Earth as it rotates relative to the Moon and Sun?

The details of the flows and tide heights are undoubtedly highly dependent on the profile of the sea-floor and to a lesser extent the winds.

Remember that the Spring tides coincide with the times of the full and new Moon and the Neap tides with the times of the half Moon.
Not only that but the highest Spring tides, called King tides in Australia:
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The King tides occur when the Earth, Moon and Sun are aligned at perigee and perihelion, resulting in the largest tidal range seen over the course of a year. So, tides are enhanced when the Earth is closest to the Sun around January 2 of each year.
The positions and distances to the Moon and Sun have a very significant effect on the tide heights.

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Re: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2020, 04:21:34 AM »
Table of tidal amplitude versus current velocity, on all coasts.
1 km / h - 1 meter.
5 km / h - 5 meter.
10 km / h - 10 meter.
15 km / h - 15 meter.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the cycle, the amount of water under the cycle, the distance from the coast to the cycle and on the direction of the current (north, south, west, east).

So, are you saying that this allows you to calculate the tide times and heights anywhere in the world at any time in the future? 

Mike
Not only me, but also you can.