Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.

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Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #120 on: April 03, 2017, 04:42:14 AM »

Let's have another: water should be flung off the earth because of its rapid rotation, yet it stays st to the earth - this is because it is being kept in place by the constant upward acceleration of the earth.
Discuss.

Sorry, have to step in on myself here:
If the earth is accelerating constantly upward, then the water would be stick to the earth by the g forces and there would be no tides.

Perhaps a better prompt would be the Spherical Earth model accounts for tides, while the Flat Earth theory does not.
Discuss.

Nobody say the earth is accelerating constantly upward, but some well known "fools".

Can I please be on your list of "Forum Whores"? I love science, believe in NASA, I'm certain that we live in the solar system, and I think that flat earth is silly.

Not related to any of them. Just related are you a "son of whore" or not.
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Come on bro, just admit that the the earth isn't a sphere, you won't even be wrong

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Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #121 on: April 03, 2017, 05:13:46 AM »

Let's have another: water should be flung off the earth because of its rapid rotation, yet it stays st to the earth - this is because it is being kept in place by the constant upward acceleration of the earth.
Discuss.

Sorry, have to step in on myself here:
If the earth is accelerating constantly upward, then the water would be stick to the earth by the g forces and there would be no tides.

Perhaps a better prompt would be the Spherical Earth model accounts for tides, while the Flat Earth theory does not.
Discuss.

Nobody say the earth is accelerating constantly upward, but some well known "fools".
Don't blame Globe Earth believers for that! That is purely Flat Earth Fiction.

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #122 on: April 03, 2017, 07:14:58 AM »

Let's have another: water should be flung off the earth because of its rapid rotation, yet it stays st to the earth - this is because it is being kept in place by the constant upward acceleration of the earth.
Discuss.

Sorry, have to step in on myself here:
If the earth is accelerating constantly upward, then the water would be stick to the earth by the g forces and there would be no tides.

Perhaps a better prompt would be the Spherical Earth model accounts for tides, while the Flat Earth theory does not.
Discuss.

Nobody say the earth is accelerating constantly upward, but some well known "fools".

Can I please be on your list of "Forum Whores"? I love science, believe in NASA, I'm certain that we live in the solar system, and I think that flat earth is silly.

Not related to any of them. Just related are you a "son of whore" or not.

Why would you say such a thing about their mothers? Is that just an insult, or do you know their mothers? If it's just an insult, why bring their mothers into it? Seems rude.
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Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #123 on: April 03, 2017, 07:55:45 AM »
Focault's Pendulum

Ring lasers

High resolution gyroscopes

Drop of g towards the equator

Weather phenomenas

Sun sinks below horizon

Sips/buildings disappear from the bottom behind the equator

Horizon drop when climbing.

One can see further when having a higher stance

On a clear day no haze which oscures the horizon

Star trails

Stars change hight when traveling north/south

Stars/sun changes time of rise set (and so on) when traveling east/west
Oh, the direction of Sunrise/sunset fits with RE.


Sun/moon does not change size during their march over the sky.

Last night i saw the ISS passing by.

Amateur recordings from their rockets from the earth.

Official recordings from the earth (NASA, roscosmos, Chinese, ESA, dlr, ...)

And many, many more.
It appears there is no proof at all.
So how do you explain the sun staying the same size all day then dropping below the horizon?

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Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #124 on: April 03, 2017, 08:07:52 AM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #125 on: April 03, 2017, 02:53:51 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!

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Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #126 on: April 03, 2017, 03:04:58 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!

Nope.
Not an imaginary point.
A real physical observation of the stars circling around a point due south, regardless of where you are.
Something that is physically impossible on a flat Earth.

But I understand. All you have is cheap dismissal. Admitting something like the south celestial pole exists would completely destroy your delusional nonsense.

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #127 on: April 03, 2017, 03:36:39 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!


You can't say its imaginary just because you haven't seen it.

It is also most certainly not all we have. Do I really need to get the list again?

Make some physical observations from the southern/outer latitudes for yourself and then come back and tell us what you saw.

We can wait.
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Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #128 on: April 03, 2017, 05:13:49 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Funny that you bailed on the tread where we showed you pictures and videos of said point that you could easily verify if you traveled to the soutern hemisphere (or called one of your friends who lives there (assuming you have any)).

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #129 on: April 03, 2017, 08:08:04 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Can you prove to people such as Rabinoz or dispute that the north star isn't just an imaginary point in the sky? Because rest assured they can see the southern cross.
Bet you can't do it!!!

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #130 on: April 03, 2017, 11:29:06 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Notice how you skipped over the sun staying the same size all day then sinking below the horizon?
Can you explain that?

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #131 on: April 04, 2017, 11:14:59 AM »
Flat Earth model disproven with "inverse tangent" thread.
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Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #132 on: April 04, 2017, 01:16:42 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Notice how you skipped over the sun staying the same size all day then sinking below the horizon?
Can you explain that?

Have you stared at the sun all day to make sure it stays the same size? The sun moves beyond our perspective, it does not sink below.

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #133 on: April 04, 2017, 01:22:13 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Notice how you skipped over the sun staying the same size all day then sinking below the horizon?
Can you explain that?

Have you stared at the sun all day to make sure it stays the same size? The sun moves beyond our perspective, it does not sink below.

Yes I have, and yes it does. It maintains constant angular diameter and even in conditions near sunset it can appear to INCREASE in angular diameter because of spherical atmospheric lensing.

It doesn't shrink.
This does not adhere to your model.
Only the ignorant choose to ignore opposing views.
Fight for your belief, don't run away.
It's the only way anyone can take you seriously.

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #134 on: April 04, 2017, 01:24:45 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Notice how you skipped over the sun staying the same size all day then sinking below the horizon?
Can you explain that?

Have you stared at the sun all day to make sure it stays the same size? The sun moves beyond our perspective, it does not sink below.

Yes I have, and yes it does. It maintains constant angular diameter and even in conditions near sunset it can appear to INCREASE in angular diameter because of spherical atmospheric lensing.

It doesn't shrink.
This does not adhere to your model.

"it can appear to INCREASE in angular diameter"

Oh, that can't be from perspective, hey? There you go, it does change size, how about that!

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #135 on: April 04, 2017, 01:28:38 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Notice how you skipped over the sun staying the same size all day then sinking below the horizon?
Can you explain that?

Have you stared at the sun all day to make sure it stays the same size? The sun moves beyond our perspective, it does not sink below.

Yes I have, and yes it does. It maintains constant angular diameter and even in conditions near sunset it can appear to INCREASE in angular diameter because of spherical atmospheric lensing.

It doesn't shrink.
This does not adhere to your model.

"it can appear to INCREASE in angular diameter"

Oh, that can't be from perspective, hey? There you go, it does change size, how about that!

You missed the point - if it is tracing circles and receding away from the observer, it should shrink.
This is not the case.

How about that?
Only the ignorant choose to ignore opposing views.
Fight for your belief, don't run away.
It's the only way anyone can take you seriously.

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #136 on: April 04, 2017, 02:36:41 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Notice how you skipped over the sun staying the same size all day then sinking below the horizon?
Can you explain that?

Have you stared at the sun all day to make sure it stays the same size? The sun moves beyond our perspective, it does not sink below.

Yes I have, and yes it does. It maintains constant angular diameter and even in conditions near sunset it can appear to INCREASE in angular diameter because of spherical atmospheric lensing.

It doesn't shrink.
This does not adhere to your model.

"it can appear to INCREASE in angular diameter"

Oh, that can't be from perspective, hey? There you go, it does change size, how about that!

You missed the point - if it is tracing circles and receding away from the observer, it should shrink.
This is not the case.

How about that?

Anything? You're dodging the question so far that you might fall off the edge if you keep going.

Watch him jump on that last comment rather than answering the question too.
Only the ignorant choose to ignore opposing views.
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Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #137 on: April 04, 2017, 03:06:34 PM »
Have you stared at the sun all day to make sure it stays the same size?
No. That would be such a faulty way it isn't funny.
The human eye cannot deal with the brightness of the sun and the glare from it, and it isn't capable of perceiving the differences.

A far better method is using a camera with a solar filter. As long as you use the same camera, with the same settings (zoom, etc), it should be fine to just take a few pictures, but if you really want you can do a video.
And guess what happens when you do? The sun remains the same size, and disappears from the bottom up.

The sun moves beyond our perspective, it does not sink below.
If that was the case it would shrink and fade. It doesn't.
Instead it sinks below the horizon, disappearing from the bottom up.
Perspective does not make things disappear from the bottom up.

"it can appear to INCREASE in angular diameter"

Oh, that can't be from perspective, hey? There you go, it does change size, how about that!
No. It can't.
Perspective would cause it to shrink, not grow.

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #138 on: April 04, 2017, 03:17:51 PM »
Using a solar filter on a telescope works too - it's fascinating - especially since while using said telescope, you have a constrained view, so you can see it go in and out of frame.
Using a equatorial mount (which constrains the movement of the telescope to the surface of a sphere) you can accurately track to movement of the sun or any other star across the sphere.

In a Flat Earth model, that mount would need to track it elliptically, and the shrinkage of the disc of the sun would be noticeable and pronounced.
But then, of course, telescopes are the instruments of the devil.

We are waiting, observer.
Why doesn't the sun shrink?
It's your time to shine.
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Only the ignorant choose to ignore opposing views.
Fight for your belief, don't run away.
It's the only way anyone can take you seriously.

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #139 on: April 04, 2017, 04:47:57 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Notice how you skipped over the sun staying the same size all day then sinking below the horizon?
Can you explain that?

Have you stared at the sun all day to make sure it stays the same size? The sun moves beyond our perspective, it does not sink below.
Then it would shrink to a vanishing point.  I have watched the sun sink below the horizon.  It disappears from the bottom up, it does not shrink to nothing.
I don't think you understand how perspective works.
Since we can see it isn't perspective at work.  How would you explain it?

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #140 on: April 04, 2017, 05:54:02 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Can you prove to people such as Rabinoz or dispute that the north star isn't just an imaginary point in the sky? Because rest assured they can see the southern cross.
Bet you can't do it!!!
PO you seemed to have dodged this one as well..

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #141 on: April 04, 2017, 06:23:30 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Can you prove to people such as Rabinoz or dispute that the north star isn't just an imaginary point in the sky? Because rest assured they can see the southern cross.
Bet you can't do it!!!
PO you seemed to have dodged this one as well..

Yeah, he does that - can I suggest we don't let him forget the stuff he's dodged? Like I keep saying to him, there is an extensive list of facts he is yet to refute. And it is growing.
Only the ignorant choose to ignore opposing views.
Fight for your belief, don't run away.
It's the only way anyone can take you seriously.

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #142 on: April 05, 2017, 06:44:39 AM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Can you prove to people such as Rabinoz or dispute that the north star isn't just an imaginary point in the sky? Because rest assured they can see the southern cross.
Bet you can't do it!!!
PO you seemed to have dodged this one as well..

Yeah, he does that - can I suggest we don't let him forget the stuff he's dodged? Like I keep saying to him, there is an extensive list of facts he is yet to refute. And it is growing.

The real debating issue here is, whether the earth is rotating, causing the star trails, or whether it is the stars above us rotating, causing the trails. The only real way to settle the issue of what is rotating, is to find the clues from the platform of observation. I have been exhaustive in giving my clues we are on a motionless plane with visual evidence from plane earth itself. Allow me to ask, what is your evidence from the physical planet, the platform we observe from, that it is it that is doing the spinning on its axis at 1,000 MPH?

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #143 on: April 05, 2017, 07:09:01 AM »

The real debating issue here is, whether the earth is rotating, causing the star trails, or whether it is the stars above us rotating, causing the trails. The only real way to settle the issue of what is rotating, is to find the clues from the platform of observation. I have been exhaustive in giving my clues we are on a motionless plane with visual evidence from plane earth itself. Allow me to ask, what is your evidence from the physical planet, the platform we observe from, that it is it that is doing the spinning on its axis at 1,000 MPH?

you know this list:

Focault's Pendulum

Ring lasers

High resolution gyroscopes

Drop of g towards the equator

Weather phenomenas

Sun sinks below horizon

Sips/buildings disappear from the bottom behind the equator

Horizon drop when climbing.

One can see further when having a higher stance

On a clear day no haze which oscures the horizon

Star trails

Stars change hight when traveling north/south

Stars/sun changes time of rise set (and so on) when traveling east/west
Oh, the direction of Sunrise/sunset fits with RE.

Sun/moon does not change size during their march over the sky.

Last night i saw the ISS passing by.

Amateur recordings from their rockets from the earth.

Official recordings from the earth (NASA, roscosmos, Chinese, ESA, dlr, ...)

And many, many more.


Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #144 on: April 05, 2017, 07:19:07 AM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Can you prove to people such as Rabinoz or dispute that the north star isn't just an imaginary point in the sky? Because rest assured they can see the southern cross.
Bet you can't do it!!!
PO you seemed to have dodged this one as well..

Yeah, he does that - can I suggest we don't let him forget the stuff he's dodged? Like I keep saying to him, there is an extensive list of facts he is yet to refute. And it is growing.

The real debating issue here is, whether the earth is rotating, causing the star trails, or whether it is the stars above us rotating, causing the trails. The only real way to settle the issue of what is rotating, is to find the clues from the platform of observation. I have been exhaustive in giving my clues we are on a motionless plane with visual evidence from plane earth itself. Allow me to ask, what is your evidence from the physical planet, the platform we observe from, that it is it that is doing the spinning on its axis at 1,000 MPH?
They would have to be circling us, and all the continents would have to be in such a position as to see it happening the same way.  Do you have a map that works with real world observations that shows this?

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #145 on: April 05, 2017, 07:39:00 AM »

They would have to be circling us, and all the continents would have to be in such a position as to see it happening the same way.  Do you have a map that works with real world observations that shows this?

you would need a 3D-model to show how it works.

almost like this:



but everyone clearly can see that it does not fit with the reality.

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #146 on: April 05, 2017, 12:16:28 PM »
Plus the existence of a southern celestial pole...

Yep, that is all you have, an imaginary point in the sky, too funny!
Can you prove to people such as Rabinoz or dispute that the north star isn't just an imaginary point in the sky? Because rest assured they can see the southern cross.
Bet you can't do it!!!
PO you seemed to have dodged this one as well..

Yeah, he does that - can I suggest we don't let him forget the stuff he's dodged? Like I keep saying to him, there is an extensive list of facts he is yet to refute. And it is growing.

The real debating issue here is, whether the earth is rotating, causing the star trails, or whether it is the stars above us rotating, causing the trails. The only real way to settle the issue of what is rotating, is to find the clues from the platform of observation. I have been exhaustive in giving my clues we are on a motionless plane with visual evidence from plane earth itself. Allow me to ask, what is your evidence from the physical planet, the platform we observe from, that it is it that is doing the spinning on its axis at 1,000 MPH?

The real question is why haven't you answered any of these other questions.

We see the stars exhibit sphere-like motion which is explained by the fact that we are on a rotating ball. Even if we were on a still disc inside a rotating ball, the stars would not exhibit the same apparent motion. (See above, re: pole stars, content visibility, tracing of circles not ellipses)

And I hate to bring this up again, but while we are on the topic of ellipses, you haven't explained the also sphere-like path of the sun.
It does not trace a Flat ellipse like it should in the disc model.
It does not shrink in the distance then grow, speeding up as it goes overhead.

Explain yourself.
Only the ignorant choose to ignore opposing views.
Fight for your belief, don't run away.
It's the only way anyone can take you seriously.

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Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #147 on: April 05, 2017, 02:23:08 PM »
The real debating issue here is, whether the earth is rotating, causing the star trails, or whether it is the stars above us rotating, causing the trails. The only real way to settle the issue of what is rotating, is to find the clues from the platform of observation. I have been exhaustive in giving my clues we are on a motionless plane with visual evidence from plane earth itself. Allow me to ask, what is your evidence from the physical planet, the platform we observe from, that it is it that is doing the spinning on its axis at 1,000 MPH?
Well, you started out good. You need to determine which is rotating, but then one back to your typical dishonest self.

The stars don't give the option of rotating globe vs motionless plane. The motion of the stars is only possible with them being in an apparent spherical shell around a much smaller spherical Earth. A key factor is the apparent angle of the stars, where they are consistent with very distant stars viewed from a sphere, where, for example, the angle of Polaris is based upon your latitude just as you would expect for a sphere and a very distant star, the angle of elevation is equal to your latitude (with North being positive), instead of the more complicated trig functions for a plane, which predicts Polaris should still be in view even all the way at 90 degrees south, and there are plenty of other examples of stars matching this circular pattern, including the sun.
Another, I would say far more damning one, is the fact that there are 2 celestial poles which the stars appear to rotate about, which are always located 180 degrees apart, regardless of where you are, with one due north and one due south, only possible on a spherical Earth (with Earth's surface being smooth).

So the options we are reduced to are a motionless globe with stars rotating above, a rotating globe with stars motionless above, or a rotating globe with stars moving above.

You haven't given any clues we are on a motionless plane (or that we are motionless).
So far every piece of evidence you have provided has been consistent with Earth being a rotating globe.
A lot was consistent with both. But some, like your pictures of tropical storms and some pictures and videos showing either the curvature itself or the effects of curvature, clearly indicate Earth is a rotating globe and are inconsistent with Earth being a motionless plane.

Again, stop using that bullshit unit. It is not a unit for rotation.
Earth is rotating about its axis at a rate of 15 degrees an hour.
Rotation about an axis is given in units of angle, not length.

We have provided plenty of evidence, which you are yet to refute.
We have tropical storms, Foucault's pendulum, satellites (including geostationary ones) and laser ring gyroscopes.
Of course, your dishonest criteria excludes all bar tropical storms, but why shouldn't we use the rest?

You are yet to provide any evidence which refutes Earth being a rotating globe.

Re: Convince me the earth is a spinning speeding ball with clues from earth.
« Reply #148 on: April 05, 2017, 09:18:45 PM »
Physical Changer of Subject, you never explained how the flat-Earth model makes it possible for the Sun to be low enough to cast a shadow of a mountain on clouds above the Earth. No, "I showed you a video that proves the Earth isn't rotating." I'm talking about the angle of the light--a simple, MATH-FREE physical observation!!  And a flat earth, no matter how much perspective you take into consideration, you're never going to get the Sun to be below the plane of the earth so that it can shine up onto the bottom of the cloud. Your flat-earth sun is 3000 miles higher than that mountain (well, 2997.2 miles – that is an impressive mountain!). No matter how far away your sun is, it has to be shining down. Explain.
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