Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?

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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2017, 10:03:03 PM »
If they plan on colonizing mars I suppose it would make more sense to have their base on mars, don't you?

As far as why Mars instead of the moon? I don't think there is enough potential on the moon to make it worth the huge expense.

Mars is the new challenge and has greater potential!
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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2017, 10:13:20 PM »
Seems like a launch pad on the moon would make more sense to me.

Once we have many civilian flights back and forth from the moon is when we should be planning manned missions to mars.

Its all fantasy anyway.

Space is a lie.

Earth is flat.

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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2017, 10:24:30 PM »
You should sign up for the Mars mission just for larks.

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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2017, 12:11:21 AM »
Seems like a launch pad on the moon would make more sense to me.

Once we have many civilian flights back and forth from the moon is when we should be planning manned missions to mars.

Although its sounds obvious that going to the moon first should make it easier to go to Mars, its actually not.
The biggest challenge is getting into earth orbit. Once you are in earth orbit, the energy difference between a moon transit and Mars transit is very little.
What ever challenges you need to overcome going to the moon are the same for Mars. The biggest difference is the travel time. But Mars has a higher gravity and some atmosphere. The presence of that atmosphere (although very little) actually decreases the energy requirement to land on Mars.

There are also quite a few political advantages to go to Mars vs the moon that I can go into.
But you dont seem to think the world is round, so I am sure you dont actually really care.
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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2017, 12:33:03 AM »
I think they're trying to perfect a new airless parachute to land on mars with a rocket. An even better one than the airless one they used when they landed that curiousity rover on the desert...ermmm mars.

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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2017, 06:45:22 AM »
Well, it does not seem like spaceX will be landing anything on Mars until 2020 at the soonest. But their landing will be with rockets, no parachutes. Parachutes need to be quite big on Mars.
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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2017, 07:44:33 AM »
Seems like a launch pad on the moon would make more sense to me.

Once we have many civilian flights back and forth from the moon is when we should be planning manned missions to mars.

Although its sounds obvious that going to the moon first should make it easier to go to Mars, its actually not.
The biggest challenge is getting into earth orbit. Once you are in earth orbit, the energy difference between a moon transit and Mars transit is very little.
What ever challenges you need to overcome going to the moon are the same for Mars. The biggest difference is the travel time. But Mars has a higher gravity and some atmosphere. The presence of that atmosphere (although very little) actually decreases the energy requirement to land on Mars.

There are also quite a few political advantages to go to Mars vs the moon that I can go into.
But you dont seem to think the world is round, so I am sure you dont actually really care.

Thats exactly my point. After all these years, and reaching the moon with a computer with the brains of a casio calculator, many years ago, its still a struggle to get into "orbit". Yet, oh la dee da, here we have Spacex charging people a chunk of cash to secure a ride on a extremely dangerous mission thats STILL oh so difficult to accomplish, apparently. Spacex is spending so much money launching rocket after rocket with this and that added to make things easier, and yet its still no easier is it? If it was, dont you think they would offer to the populace a round trip ticket to the moon??? Someplace man has supposedly already been??? More than once??? Shoudlnt that be a piece of cake rather than cramming a schoolbus full of people into a rocket and saying "Enjoy your life on mars, youll never return, we hope you make it, well enjoy your MONEY!"

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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2017, 09:10:23 AM »
Seems like a launch pad on the moon would make more sense to me.

Once we have many civilian flights back and forth from the moon is when we should be planning manned missions to mars.

Although its sounds obvious that going to the moon first should make it easier to go to Mars, its actually not.
The biggest challenge is getting into earth orbit. Once you are in earth orbit, the energy difference between a moon transit and Mars transit is very little.
What ever challenges you need to overcome going to the moon are the same for Mars. The biggest difference is the travel time. But Mars has a higher gravity and some atmosphere. The presence of that atmosphere (although very little) actually decreases the energy requirement to land on Mars.

There are also quite a few political advantages to go to Mars vs the moon that I can go into.
But you dont seem to think the world is round, so I am sure you dont actually really care.

Thats exactly my point. After all these years, and reaching the moon with a computer with the brains of a casio calculator, many years ago, its still a struggle to get into "orbit". Yet, oh la dee da, here we have Spacex charging people a chunk of cash to secure a ride on a extremely dangerous mission thats STILL oh so difficult to accomplish, apparently. Spacex is spending so much money launching rocket after rocket with this and that added to make things easier, and yet its still no easier is it? If it was, dont you think they would offer to the populace a round trip ticket to the moon??? Someplace man has supposedly already been??? More than once??? Shoudlnt that be a piece of cake rather than cramming a schoolbus full of people into a rocket and saying "Enjoy your life on mars, youll never return, we hope you make it, well enjoy your MONEY!"
Rockets do not struggle to get into earth orbit. It has been done hundreds of time manned and has become routine with space stations.

SpaceX wants to send two people around the moon, you can pay for it: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/feb/27/spacex-moon-private-mission-2018-elon-musk

The problem is the rocket. It took many, many years to develop the Saturn-V. After it was retired NASA began to work on the Space SHuttle, which was a setback and failure in some respects.

NASA and SpaceX are working on a new Super HEavy Lifter, like the Saturn-V (NASA has been working on one for longer, but the program got cancelled by Obama. Thanks Obama)

The Falcon Heavy is set to make a test flight in 2017.
The SLS is set to make a test flight in 2018.

SpaceX and NASA both want to send a manned capsule around the moon in 2018.

Have you heard about the private launches set to land on the moon in 2017?
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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2017, 12:24:37 PM »
Thats exactly my point. After all these years, and reaching the moon with a computer with the brains of a casio calculator, many years ago, its still a struggle to get into "orbit". Yet, oh la dee da, here we have Spacex charging people a chunk of cash to secure a ride on a extremely dangerous mission thats STILL oh so difficult to accomplish, apparently. Spacex is spending so much money launching rocket after rocket with this and that added to make things easier, and yet its still no easier is it? If it was, dont you think they would offer to the populace a round trip ticket to the moon??? Someplace man has supposedly already been??? More than once??? Shoudlnt that be a piece of cake rather than cramming a schoolbus full of people into a rocket and saying "Enjoy your life on mars, youll never return, we hope you make it, well enjoy your MONEY!"

First point about the computer thing people keep bringing up. NASA had a huge computer at NASA ground control that was sending instructions to those little computers (3 of them) on the lunar lander and orbiter. They where good at a few things.

The struggling to get to orbit is more an energy cost thing. Unlike computers that get smaller and cheaper every year, the energy requirements to go to space are the same year after year. Physics n stuff.

But the costs to go to space have gone down, dramatically. One Apollo mission cost about $110 Billion in todays money. SpaceX is going to send 2 private civilians to a round trip to the moon in 2018 for about $150 million each. That is one hell of a cost reduction.

Why could SpaceX not send people up earlier. Demand and supply. The demand is now increasing because more people can actually afford the price. It still takes very long to build a human rated craft though. Even a simple 4 seater aircraft takes many years to certify.
And remember, SpaceX has only been around for about 10 years. Before them, no other company cared to drop the cost, because that would mean dropping profits $$$
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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2017, 12:34:39 PM »
Why could SpaceX not send people up earlier. Demand and supply. The demand is now increasing because more people can actually afford the price. It still takes very long to build a human rated craft though.
Yes, getting the crewed Dragon capsule human rated is taking longer than expected.  I seriously doubt that the lunar flyby mission will happen before at least 2 Falcon Heavy launches and at least 2 or 3 crewed Dragon flights.
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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2017, 01:08:02 PM »
I doubt it too! I think NASA's prediction of 2018 is more realistic.

But we can hope.
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Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2017, 04:46:20 PM »
Wouldnt a base on the moon make more sense if they seriously plan on colonizing mars?
Since you think that you know so much about the logistics of space missions,
why don't you offer your expert opinion to Space-X?

You might earn a big fat commission, or get thrown out on your little pink ear!

But, what has any of this to do with the shape of the earth?


Re: Why is SpaceX planning a mission to Mars and not the Moon?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2017, 05:58:23 PM »
Ha, the dragon is taking longer than expected.

It dragging on a bit.

The dragon, dragging on, get it?

Fnarr fnarr
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