The Horizon On A Flat Earth

I've been banned on the other fe website for asking these questions.:

On a flat earth , what is the definition of the horizon, where is the horizon, and how would you estimate the distance to the horizon ?
No debate.
Would just like some answers.
No luck so far.

I've been banned on the other fe website for asking these questions.:

On a flat earth , what is the definition of the horizon, where is the horizon, and how would you estimate the distance to the horizon ?
No debate.
Would just like some answers.
No luck so far.

Hahaha that's funny, tell us about your ban.
What was the official reason for this ban? or didn't they gave you any?

I am afraid you will not get any answers here either, but at least you won't get banned from this site asking these questions.

The horizon is where it has always been. It's what you see.

This isn't the proper section of the forum to cry about the other FES.

The horizon is where it has always been. It's what you see.

This isn't the proper section of the forum to cry about the other FES.

Well, if you don't get results on one website , try , try, try again on the other one. LOL

The question was just this ?
Where is the horizon on a flat earth and how do you estimate the distance to the horizon ?

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on March 27, 2017, 09:27:20 AM

The horizon is where it has always been. It's what you see.

This isn't the proper section of the forum to cry about the other FES.

Well, if you don't get results on one website , try , try, try again on the other one. LOL

The question was just this ?
Where is the horizon on a flat earth and how do you estimate the distance to the horizon ?

The horizon is generally the point where it appears sky meets land.

Life experience.

Quote from: Googleotomy on March 27, 2017, 09:45:22 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on March 27, 2017, 09:27:20 AM

The horizon is where it has always been. It's what you see.

This isn't the proper section of the forum to cry about the other FES.

Well, if you don't get results on one website , try , try, try again on the other one. LOL

The question was just this ?
Where is the horizon on a flat earth and how do you estimate the distance to the horizon ?

The horizon is generally the point where it appears sky meets land.

Life experience.

I think he was asking for the distance you can see to the horizon on the flat earth.

Good Lord, the sky meets my back deck and that is certainly not the horizon.

I think he was asking for the distance you can see to the horizon on the flat earth.

Good Lord, the sky meets my back deck and that is certainly not the horizon.

Then it would not be too hard for you to post a picture of the sky meeting your back deck, right?

Quote from: PawnedScum on March 27, 2017, 01:49:24 PM

I think he was asking for the distance you can see to the horizon on the flat earth.

Good Lord, the sky meets my back deck and that is certainly not the horizon.

Then it would not be too hard for you to post a picture of the sky meeting your back deck, right?

The sky doesn't have some magical line where it stops being sky and is just air in your front yard.  It goes all the way to the ground.  The point of the post is at what point on a flat earth can you see to the 'horizon' or the furthest you can see through 'perspective' or curvature or whatever you choose to call it.

Perhaps I should explain that my "round earth" example would be at sea on a clear, calm day.
Or just looking out to sea if you were on the shore on a beach.
There is nothing to obstruct your view to the horizon, which is a definite line where the sea and sky appear to meet.
If you were a 6 feet tall person, standing up in a lifeboat, the horizon would appear to be about 3 miles from you. You would be in the middle of a circle with a radius of 3 miles.
If you were in the crow's nest on a ship, 100 feet above the sea,  the horizon would appear to be about 12.2 miles from you. You would be in the middle of a circle with a radius of 12.2 miles.
These figures were taken from the Training Manual For Lookouts in the United States Navy.
In their training, they compare their results of estimating distances to ships, for example, with those from the ship's radar.

I would not necessarily like to debate the issue, but just compare round earth and flat earth ideas in regard to the horizon.

There is a simple  "round earth"  equation :
d (distance to the horizon in miles) =  1.22 (a constant) x square root of h (height of the observer in feet)

Since there would be no curvature on a flat earth, how would this be done, with some equations and figures and  examples similar to those above ?

I don't intend this to be a debate.
I would just like to know how it's done on a flat earth, since you don't have to contend with the curvature of the earth on a flat earth.

Once I get an answer, I shall cease and desist on this subject.

However.........My examples are good enough for the USN.....Speaking from personal experience I know it worked for me, too !

There is a simple equation : d (distance to an object, in miles) = 1.22 (a constant) x square root of h (height of

Just because I prefer metric I converted it to Km (to horizon) = Constant X sqrt m.

The constant is 3.55

While I was at it I calculated a constant for the curvature of the earth. Instead of miles² X 8 inches you can go Km² X .0785m

Thanks Boots.

Hooray for the metric system.

Quote from: Googleotomy on March 27, 2017, 05:17:29 PM

Perhaps I should explain that my "round earth" example would be at sea on a clear, calm day.
Or just looking out to sea if you were on the shore on a beach.
There is nothing to obstruct your view to the horizon, which is a definite line where the sea and sky appear to meet.
If you were a 6 feet tall person, standing up in a lifeboat, the horizon would appear to be about 3 miles from you. You would be in the middle of a circle with a radius of 3 miles.
If you were in the crow's nest on a ship, 100 feet above the sea,  the horizon would appear to be about 12.2 miles from you. You would be in the middle of a circle with a radius of 12.2 miles.
These figures were taken from the Training Manual For Lookouts in the United States Navy.
In their training, they compare their results of estimating distances to ships, for example, with those from the ship's radar.

I would not necessarily like to debate the issue, but just compare round earth and flat earth ideas in regard to the horizon.

There is a simple  "round earth"  equation :
d (distance to the horizon , in miles) = 1.22 (a constant) x square root of h (height of the observer in feet)

Since there would be no curvature on a flat earth, how would this be done, with some equations and figures and  examples similar to those above ?

I don't intend this to be a debate.
I would just like to know how it's done on a flat earth, since you don't have to contend with the curvature of the earth on a flat earth.

Once I get an answer, I shall cease and desist on this subject.

However.........My examples are good enough for the USN.

Do not keep doing this. You are a liar for claiming you were banned from the other fes for asking this question. You were banned for spamming. You will be given a vacation from this forum as well.

Thanks Boots.

Hooray for the metric system.

I edited that later for correction : It should have been : d= distance to the horizon....

We got it.

Human eyes are not that good at resolving images at far distances. The distance to the horizon depends on how good your eyes are. Should ask an Eagle. The resolution of their eyes are so good, you could see an individual ant crawling on the ground from a 10 storey building.

If the Earth were flat, on a clear day you could grab a telescope at least and spy on your neighbouring country. Mt Everest is pretty big. I wonder why even from a relatively short distance away, the top of the mountain is obscured from my vision (no matter how good it could ever be). As I approach closer and closer, we see the top first then the base. On a flat Earth, you should see the whole thing able to come into view at the same time.

Human eyes are not that good at resolving images at far distances. The distance to the horizon depends on how good your eyes are. Should ask an Eagle. The resolution of their eyes are so good, you could see an individual ant crawling on the ground from a 10 storey building.

If the Earth were flat, on a clear day you could grab a telescope at least and spy on your neighbouring country. Mt Everest is pretty big. I wonder why even from a relatively short distance away, the top of the mountain is obscured from my vision (no matter how good it could ever be). As I approach closer and closer, we see the top first then the base. On a flat Earth, you should see the whole thing able to come into view at the same time.

Shitter, this is the FE Q & A section of the forum. People come here to ask questions about FE theory, or a particular FE model. If you know the FE answer, you are allowed to provide it, but you are not allowed to start debates here, and there's no point in giving the RE answer to a question about FE.

If it is all flat can you see the ice wall with a massive scope?

If it is all flat can you see the ice wall with a massive scope?

No.

If it is all flat can you see the ice wall with a massive scope?

You can barely see a mountain that is 30 miles away.  Why would you expect to see all the way to Antarctica? 

Quote from: EnjoyDeathLite on March 29, 2017, 03:02:33 PM

If it is all flat can you see the ice wall with a massive scope?

You can barely see a mountain that is 30 miles away.  Why would you expect to see all the way to Antarctica?

I can easily see a mountain 30+ miles away.  You should get out more.

Quote from: EnjoyDeathLite on March 29, 2017, 03:02:33 PM

If it is all flat can you see the ice wall with a massive scope?

You can barely see a mountain that is 30 miles away.  Why would you expect to see all the way to Antarctica?

The usual flat earth response is that you can't see far because of "the density of the 'atomoplane'."  But I do know, even from personal experience, that there are ways to eliminate atmospheric effects ..For example , by using infra-red films and the proper filters. There are possibly more modern means and certainly powerful enough telescopes to view the ice wall from any point on a flat earth with an unobstructed view between observer and the ice wall.

But still, the questions remain.:
(1) Is there a horizon on a flat earth ?
(2) If there is a horizon on a flat earth, what is it, by definition ?
(3) If there is a horizon on a flat earth, where is it ?
(4) If there is a horizon on a flat earth, how....by what equation and mathematics and examples and results.....would an observer estimate the distance from him to the horizon ?

Another question which comes to mind .:
If the sun is a spotlight, would its beam extend far enough to illuminate the ice ring ?
Or is the ice ring in perpetual darkness ?

Just still waiting for answers. No debates intended.

1. Yes.

2. Horizon, as far as we can see.

3. On the Horizon, see answer two.

4. Magick.

1. Yes.

2. Horizon, as far as we can see.

3. On the Horizon, see answer two.

4. Magick.

(4) How would lookouts estimate the distance to the horizon on a flat earth ?

Quote from: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 05:23:55 PM

1. Yes.

2. Horizon, as far as we can see.

3. On the Horizon, see answer two.

4. Magick.

(4) How would lookouts estimate the distance to the horizon on a flat earth ?

Probably the same way the would do it on a round Earth.  Why do you obsess about the horizon? 

Quote from: Googleotomy on April 04, 2017, 08:37:36 PM

Quote from: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 05:23:55 PM

1. Yes.

2. Horizon, as far as we can see.

3. On the Horizon, see answer two.

4. Magick.

(4) How would lookouts estimate the distance to the horizon on a flat earth ?

Probably the same way the would do it on a round Earth.  Why do you obsess about the horizon?

Because .....
lf the earth was flat there wouldn't be any curvature to limit the distance from an observer to the horizon.
The round earth equation is based on the earth being a sphere.
What is the flat earth equation for estimating the distance from an observer to the horizon ?
For example, if you were a 6 feet tall person , standing up in a lifeboat on the surface of the sea, how far could you see to the horizon on a flat earth ? For a lookout in the  crow's nest,100 feet above the water line on the ship ?

Quote from: jroa on April 04, 2017, 11:00:31 PM

Quote from: Googleotomy on April 04, 2017, 08:37:36 PM

Quote from: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 05:23:55 PM

1. Yes.

2. Horizon, as far as we can see.

3. On the Horizon, see answer two.

4. Magick.

(4) How would lookouts estimate the distance to the horizon on a flat earth ?

Probably the same way the would do it on a round Earth.  Why do you obsess about the horizon?

Because .....
lf the earth was flat there wouldn't be any curvature to limit the distance from an observer to the horizon.
The round earth equation is based on the earth being a sphere.
What is the flat earth equation for estimating the distance from an observer to the horizon ?

Who cares?  The distance you can see changes daily and sometimes by the minute.  It does not affect my life at the least.  If it is such a big deal to you that you have to repeat it over and over, then perhaps it is time to reflect on your own mental health.

Quote from: Googleotomy on April 05, 2017, 09:52:30 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 04, 2017, 11:00:31 PM

Quote from: Googleotomy on April 04, 2017, 08:37:36 PM

Quote from: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 05:23:55 PM

1. Yes.

2. Horizon, as far as we can see.

3. On the Horizon, see answer two.

4. Magick.

(4) How would lookouts estimate the distance to the horizon on a flat earth ?

Probably the same way the would do it on a round Earth.  Why do you obsess about the horizon?

Because .....
lf the earth was flat there wouldn't be any curvature to limit the distance from an observer to the horizon.
The round earth equation is based on the earth being a sphere.
What is the flat earth equation for estimating the distance from an observer to the horizon ?

Who cares?  The distance you can see changes daily and sometimes by the minute.  It does not affect my life at the least.  If it is such a big deal to you that you have to repeat it over and over, then perhaps it is time to reflect on your own mental health.

Have you ever been to sea, jroa ?

It may not be a big deal to you, jroa, but it is - the distance to the horizon , that is - to a lot of people, at least those in the Navy.
It's a big deal for ship captains, look outs, radio and radar operators and technicians who need to know the distance to the horizon. And they do know how to do it and do it 24/7.
We're talking about normal, clear, calm days at sea. Of course there are some foggy days and there are some stormy days, but there are exceptions.

Now give us an example of how you would estimate the distance to the horizon on a flat earth.Be advised it would not be the same as the round earth equation since the round earth equation  takes into account the curvature of the earth because the earth is a sphere, but there is no curvature on a flat earth. Some examples for a flat earth would be appreciated.

Now I have heard a rumor that it is the people who have the mistaken belief that the earth is flat are the ones that have the mental health problems. But that is only "hear-say evidence" , so I shall not be judgmental on that subject.

Now I have heard a rumor that it is the people who have the mistaken belief that the earth is flat are the ones that have the mental health problems.

What an hero.

Quote from: Googleotomy on April 04, 2017, 08:37:36 PM

Quote from: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 05:23:55 PM

1. Yes.

2. Horizon, as far as we can see.

3. On the Horizon, see answer two.

4. Magick.

(4) How would lookouts estimate the distance to the horizon on a flat earth ?

Probably the same way the would do it on a round Earth.  Why do you obsess about the horizon?

Because it's the primary lynchpin of most Flat Earth arguments - "the horizon looks flat, therefore the whole world must be flat" - It can't be all important and insignificant at the same time.
On top of that, it seems to be very convenient to examine it left-to-right but ignore it along the line drawn between it and the observer. Objects don't just shrink away and disappear, they fall behind the horizon as they recede. This apparent motion is due to the curve of the earth as observed along that line that extends from the observer's eyes to the horizon.