Accumulative Knowledge

As Humans, we only have 70-100 year life spans. Yet part of the reason we are as advanced as we are is through passing the knowledge learned over thousands of years from one generation to the next. Flat Earthers tell us we should not listen to anyone and set out to discover the truth for ourselves. A laudable sounding objective but not something which will advance the Human race further and further. I'm not saying our current knowledge and understanding shouldn't be questioned. Indeed, if you were to believe in e=mc2 as the final say on everything then you will forever be stuck in the box you have created.

But some truths are irrefutable. And to perpetuate a myth that the Earth is flat and all the current understanding about our universe is all a lie, only dumbs down the society in which you live. I seriously hope that all the people who are for the flat earth, hollow earth, no moon or shape shifting lizard people etc are just trolling for lols. Surely no human could be that stupid.

I understand your anger because I was just as brainwashed as you currently are.

I understand your anger because I was just as brainwashed as you currently are.

So at what moment did you come to this revelation and how did you break free of the Lizard peoples indoctrination?

So we should all just stop thinking and listen to our TV's?

I gotta agree with hoppy on this one.

It's one thing to stand on the shoulders of giants but it's another to blindly accept what we are told.

I think the reason we have more and more people coming out saying they think the earth is flat is telling.

Perhaps not of earth shape but it is telling that we know something is fundamentally wrong with our reality.

I never advocated blindly accepting what we are told and indeed challenge and question. However if any flat earth believer studied science in school they could do the math and verify the results for themselves. In fact it is by learning we then have the capacity to question. So far, looking at all the 'evidence' here and on YouTube, it is clear that even a simple understanding of science or math is one quality that none of them have. (eg look how fake that rocket launch was, it's going horizontal now and not vertical. See!! flat earth!) All these people do is perpetuate ignorance to an audience to dumb to research for themselves.

Where would you rather source your information from? Someone like Stephen Hawkin or Neil DeGrasse Tyson who have dedicated their life to research or some fruit loop nutcase school dropout spouting out rubbish conspiracy theories on YouTube. Give me the eggheads any time.

Did you know, it is possible to question everything in a round earth reality? Really you go to the height of ridiculous when you assert the Earth is flat

It makes the morbidly obese guy glued to his sofa watching TV all day eating chips off his chest smarter than you.

If you believe there is something wrong with reality then there is medication for that. And no, it's not the red pill

I believe the earth is a sphere.

You pretentious dick.

If you believe there is something wrong with reality then there is medication for that.

I am sure there is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror

You pretentious dick.

You pretentious dick.

The accumulative knowledge of humanity has taught each of us to avoid use of the c-word but freely use the word dick.

Very interesting philosophical discourse.

Accurate also, in regard to the character of the OP.

I believe the earth is a sphere.

You pretentious dick.

I was not replying to you personally but to flat earth believers in general

You presumptuous dick.

Quote from: disputeone on March 23, 2017, 04:45:35 AM

You pretentious dick.

The accumulative knowledge of humanity has taught each of us to avoid use of the c-word but freely use the word dick.

Very interesting philosophical discourse.

Accurate also, in regard to the character of the OP.

And you can gauge a persons character based on 2 dozen posts on an online forum because he questions the validity of flat earth alternative science? That kind of says a lot about how flat earthers believe in the grandiose delusions and superiority elitist complexes. Seriously you guys are either full of assumptions, 'don't knows' or just pluck your 'alternative science' out of thin air or your nether regions and hold more stock on that, then the thousands of years of evolution and cumulative research that has been done.

I mean, without all the fancy tech of today, people thousands of years ago worked out the earth wasn't flat. They even worked out how many days in a year there are based on planting a stick in the ground. How did you guys get so backward??

And you can gauge a persons character based on 2 dozen posts on an online forum because he questions the validity of flat earth alternative science? That kind of says a lot about how flat earthers believe in the grandiose delusions and superiority elitist complexes. Seriously you guys are either full of assumptions, 'don't knows' or just pluck your 'alternative science' out of thin air or your nether regions and hold more stock on that, then the thousands of years of evolution and cumulative research that has been done.

I mean, without all the fancy tech of today, people thousands of years ago worked out the earth wasn't flat. They even worked out how many days in a year there are based on planting a stick in the ground. How did you guys get so backward??

I would not say I am backward.

You avoided use of the c-word.

I got it right.

FE wins!

If you believe the earth is flat in spite of all the overwhelming evidence against it and a simple 'stick' in your backyard is enough to prove you wrong, then you are pretty backward. This argument was debunked thousands of years ago and here you are insisting on its truth without having any credible evidence to bring to the table. I'd say that is pretty backward

Even the bible alludes to a round earth, if you want a reference from that book

http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html

Tell me in your opinion what purpose would it has served people thousands of years ago to say we have a round earth over a flat one anyway?

Why did you start a thread to bash flat earthers down here?

And you can gauge a persons character based on 2 dozen posts on an online forum...

I must be honest...

In your case, it took me 2 dozen and one...

I must be off my game.

Quote from: Shifter on March 23, 2017, 12:55:14 PM

And you can gauge a persons character based on 2 dozen posts on an online forum...

I must be honest...

In your case, it took me 2 dozen and one...

I must be off my game.

Oh gee, don't I feel burned by this Neanderthal right now. NOT

Why did you start a thread to bash flat earthers down here?

'Round Earthers' are equally bashed as indoctrinated and stupid by flat earthers. It's a pretty polarising topic although given all the evidence and the fact proof was established thousands of years ago, its a topic I wouldn't think needs entertaining. I seek to understand the mindset. So far, nothing you have given me in your justification for why you think as you do, gives me any insight or your cause any credibility.

I think it is also sad that people out there disregard all the advancement Humans as a race have accomplished in the field of science, physics and our exploration of space and the planets. Do you really discount all of those as some ridiculous hoax? How sad for you

'Round Earthers' are equally bashed as indoctrinated and stupid by flat earthers. It's a pretty polarising topic although given all the evidence and the fact proof was established thousands of years ago, its a topic I wouldn't think needs entertaining.

Yet here you are.

I seek to understand the mindset.

Be honest.

So far, nothing you have given me in your justification for why you think as you do, gives me any insight or your cause any credibility.

No cause here Copernicus...

I think it is also sad

Cheer up.

...that people out there disregard all the advancement Humans as a race have accomplished in the field of science, physics and our exploration of space and the planets. Do you really discount all of those as some ridiculous hoax? How sad for you

Yeah...

Cheer up...

Go feed some hungry people in Africa, or visit a hungry lion!

Find some excitement in your life!

Quote from: Shifter on March 23, 2017, 04:27:17 PM

'Round Earthers' are equally bashed as indoctrinated and stupid by flat earthers. It's a pretty polarising topic although given all the evidence and the fact proof was established thousands of years ago, its a topic I wouldn't think needs entertaining.

Yet here you are.

Quote from: Shifter on March 23, 2017, 04:27:17 PM

I seek to understand the mindset.

Be honest.

Quote from: Shifter on March 23, 2017, 04:27:17 PM

So far, nothing you have given me in your justification for why you think as you do, gives me any insight or your cause any credibility.

No cause here Copernicus...

Quote from: Shifter on March 23, 2017, 04:27:17 PM

I think it is also sad

Cheer up.

Quote from: Shifter on March 23, 2017, 04:27:17 PM

...that people out there disregard all the advancement Humans as a race have accomplished in the field of science, physics and our exploration of space and the planets. Do you really discount all of those as some ridiculous hoax? How sad for you

Yeah...

Cheer up...

Go feed some hungry people in Africa, or visit a hungry lion!

Find some excitement in your life!

Pathetically immature. You are how old??? I think you may have missed taking your meds or maybe your mum took too much acid while she was pregnant with you

But you know, yeah, probably my fault right. Did I actually come here expecting an intelligent conversation with people who think the earth is flat??? hahaha, don't I have egg on my face right now 

This site is about justifying what you believe.

You haven't achieved that yet.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on March 23, 2017, 03:27:22 PM

Why did you start a thread to bash flat earthers down here?

'Round Earthers' are equally bashed as indoctrinated and stupid by flat earthers. It's a pretty polarising topic although given all the evidence and the fact proof was established thousands of years ago, its a topic I wouldn't think needs entertaining. I seek to understand the mindset. So far, nothing you have given me in your justification for why you think as you do, gives me any insight or your cause any credibility.

I think it is also sad that people out there disregard all the advancement Humans as a race have accomplished in the field of science, physics and our exploration of space and the planets. Do you really discount all of those as some ridiculous hoax? How sad for you

That's not the answer to the question that I asked.

This site is about justifying what you believe.

You haven't achieved that yet.

Every question I ask tells you why I believe the Earth is round and that the Earth revolves around the sun

For example, the way light behaves when the sun is setting over the horizon. A curved earth would correlate to the scattered light appearing in the longer wavelengths of red and orange. Or how the sun sets over the horizon at all! If the sun were overhead depicted in the FEM, it would behave and be seen much like a plane moving overhead in the sky. NOT going from the east horizon to the west horizon. Put a stick in your backyard. You will see in the morning and evening the shadow is LONG. If the sun were acting like an overhead spot light, shadows would look much different. Frankly it is ridiculous to even have to justify this position only demeans the Human race at all, the easiest proof you can work out for yourself requires you just to open your eyes!

Your forum openly states that you are here to PROMOTE the Flat Earth theory. Yet when 'round earthers' come on and ask questions, your only answer is 'well prove the round earth' Are you kidding. You supposedly have this whole society yet you cant agree on a model or what we even look like and all your theories sound like something somebody high on LSD trip might be thinking in his disjointed logical state. No education yet you hold faith into that over a fact that has been known for several millennia.

That's not the answer to the question that I asked.

If you are wondering about my lack of any tact or 'diplomacy' when conversing on these forums it is only because the stance flat earthers have adopted is so ridiculous, so polarising and you are all so incredulous, there is no other way to convey any message to the contrary without it looking like I am 'bashing' you. Simple fact is, a lot of people clearly need help here because these paranoid delusions are not healthy. I'm sure there's a few here for the lols though. I still hold hope for the human race lol

Quote from: disputeone on March 23, 2017, 05:25:13 PM

This site is about justifying what you believe.

You haven't achieved that yet.

Every question I ask tells you why I believe the Earth is round and that the Earth revolves around the sun

I must have missed that.

You still haven't answered the question I asked. Read it again.

You still haven't answered the question I asked. Read it again.

Are you referring to this?

Why did you start a thread to bash flat earthers down here?

Well I believe I have answered it. Perhaps I should elaborate more and in several other ways

My original post is for a philosophical one.  The premise of my statement is about accumulating knowledge over many generations and passing it on to the next. Because we don't live forever, we don't have the time to learn all there is. So within each generation, the human race is supposed to be collectively smarter than the last.

HOWEVER, (and this is where you might think I'm being pointed towards bashing 'flat earthers'), there are sects within the society which totally reject the teachings of those before in favour of an outlandish theory probably to be different in a world where there are billions just like you. I suppose it's some way of standing out from the crowd. However these people 'dumb down' the society in which they live and that is essentially a problem. I never suggested in my original post (and still don't) to unquestionable conformity. To just 'go with the flow' But flat earthers (and other groups like hollow earthers or shape shifting lizard people) take a stance that is just anything BUT (whatever the government says).

As humans, we can use more than eyes to see. We can use tools, that see far better and far more range than our eyes can. Instruments that hear far better and with an expanded range than we can. All of these have taken pictures of our sun, mapped our solar system, even our universe. Hell, as I've said before, even a stick in your backyard can prove everything from the number of days in a year, the orbital axis of the earth and yes, even that it is not flat. Look at the Sun set on a horizon and see how the sky changes colour for once in your lives. Couldn't happen on any model the FEM has put forward so how do you put faith in a totally unworkable theory?

I have come here not to 'bash you' as people. But to debate (which incidentally given the polarising topic bashes a little) your philosophy of flat earth. Yes I come here totally rejecting it as farcical but also curious as to your reasoning behind it. But when people want to get personal and call me a dick and the like, then they can expect as good as they give. No apologies there

This thread was NOT about bashing you or flat earthers but being a flat earther forum, used as an example about debating the aspects of society accumulating knowledge over time and generations. Having read your forums, a common theme with flat earthers is to reject what others tell you. To which I posed is a problem for a developing society and the accumulation of knowledge.

Honestly, if these long winded posts don't answer your question, please pose it in a different way. You might not be getting the answer because your not asking the right question

Would you prefer if we all had the exact same opinions?

Would you prefer if we all had the exact same opinions?

Are their only 2 opinions one can have in this world? Flat earth vs round earth?

I have said many times in this thread that people should always question, even common knowledge or you'll forever be trapped in a box.

For example, using our understanding of physics...100 years from now I bet there will be many corrections with new information learned. Why? Because people continue to question.

Science is a process and many flat earthers  totally reject the process. Even more refuse to listen and are happy to shut it down using words like conspiracy. I'm all for having an opinion, but the opinion should be informed if one wants any credibility

Why does it bother you what people believe?

Did you know some people think the war on terror was unjustified? And they believe we were lied to about WMD's?

Why not fight against their opinions surely they are more damaging than flat earthers.

Why does it bother you what people believe?

This is not a 'faith' This is more like a cult that is propagating a complete falsehood and passing it off as scientific fact to gullible and impressionable people

Did you know some people think the war on terror was unjustified? And they believe we were lied to about WMD's?

Why not fight against their opinions surely they are more damaging than flat earthers.

Yes, and I am one of them. But this thread is about the accumulation of knowledge over thousands of generations from research and experience to pass through future generations making each one essentially smarter than the last (as we don't live forever). It is not about the ethics (or lack thereof) involved around America vs Middle East or Christianity vs Islam or political lies and propaganda. You are simply deflecting and hijacking the thread to turn it into something away from flat earthers (and other outlandish conspiracy groups) continued propagation of fiction in the world over facts which reverses the forward trend and strides mankind has made since crawling out of the caves. If you wish to debate the war on terror and the politics, it can have its own thread

Fair enough.

I stand up for flat earthers a lot.

Nothing personal.

You still do not understand the very simple question that I asked because you are so full of your own sense of superiority!

Have a look at the topic of this section of the forum. Have a look at the other threads in this section of the forum. Accumulate some knowledge. Then ask yourself why you started a thread to bash FE down here.

You still do not understand the very simple question that I asked because you are so full of your own sense of superiority!

Have a look at the topic of this section of the forum. Have a look at the other threads in this section of the forum. Accumulate some knowledge. Then ask yourself why you started a thread to bash FE down here.

This thread is for a philosophical discussion about human society and how we get smarter through each generation by passing knowledge down. And yes, about the threat and outcomes when knowledge wouldn't or isn't being handed over. Seems like the subject matter fits the 'philosophical' section to me. Or maybe I should have tagged this onto an existing thread such as what causes societal collapse. Either way, this topic fits well in the section it's in. You just get hurt feels because you know your flat earth sect is one of the trends (like all all outlandish conspiracy theories that fly in the face of facts) that reverses the progress humans as a race have accomplished. It is good that the amount of believers for these various cults is so small that their impact on our progress is negligible.

If you want this thread to turn another direction away from flat earth ere, stop bringing them up and bring something else good or bad in human knowledge or examples where we made positive or negative steps to the table. Such as religion and it's effects, or the period of the day ages and how that set is back. Where science is taking us and our approach to reaching 'the singularity' and the evolution of future A.I.

There are many other things I am happy to discuss other than flat earthers. You just keep bringing them into this and then complain it's all its talked about