Bet you can't do it!

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it

Now we're just going in circles.

Please refer to my earlier post.

Also, please entertain the idea for, a second or two, that it is you that is not comprehending reality instead of just assuming the rest of us are swallowing a big huge fallacy.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:24:39 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it

Now we're just going in circles.

Please refer to my earlier post.

Also, please entertain the idea for, a second or two, that it is you that is not comprehending reality instead of just assuming the rest of us are swallowing a big huge fallacy.

I spent a lot of my life entertaining the idea you still stick with. No more. I at least know, 100% that we are certainly not dealing with any 1000+ MPH spinning Earth in so called space vacuum as we are told.

It's you and the rest like you that need to wake up...or don't. Your choice.

MPH can only be measured with respect to what's happening on Earth.
A speed of over 1000 mph is simply what it says. It's a speed of 1000 mph.
All we have to do is to find out how many things go at 1000 mph, or more and then understand that we, as humans should be moving at that speed.

It doesn't matter whether it's told that the Earth spins only once in 24 hours and that makes its rotation very slow. The fact we are told about MPH means exactly what it says...to us....so therefore we expect to move at that speed with feet firmly planted on the deck.

The argument of the atmosphere moving in unison with the supposed ball rendering us unable to feel the motion, is total and utter nonsensical clap trap but most people are duped into believing it actually makes sense.
They believe it makes sense because of no other reason than being told about riding in cars, trains, or planes, in supposed sealed units that saunter through atmosphere and yet we supposedly do not feel the motion.

The reality is, if we were spinning on a ball we would be under what's known as centrifugal force, or would have except that the laws have changed on that and it's basically became a fictional force, where the real force is now, centripetal force, or an inward force.

The changes are due to people using common sense and realising that this outward slinging force should be slinging us off this supposed planet and yet it doesn't because it's changed to centripetal force. An inward force that stops us being slung into so called space.

People are all too willing to abandon basic common sense and clear and observable, repeatable experiments proving a physical,w here this rotation occurs and also the MPH which we all observe as a man made speed.

So instead of adhering to a thought process of a car, train, bus or plane going in a near straight direction, think of it doing a turn around a circular road, track or sky, because we all know that even the slightest movement away from centre results in a force in the same direction for anyone being part of that scenario.

Ok, so the silly arguments are us being spun with atmosphere and also solid ground, as well as water.
We physically know that water and atmosphere do not follow the example of the so called spin rotation but apparently, this is an atmosphere within an atmosphere, if you can get your head around it.

Take us outside of the so called ball into so called space with so called satellites being slung around the Earth and following the exact MPH of the Earth spin, as we are told. These so called satellites being around 23,000 miles away from Earth, as we are told. In geo-sync with Earth and yet under no influence of the atmosphere of Earth and yet they are still on the inward centripetal force, or the inward force, or to put it more simpler....they are held by the magical string attached from Earth into so called space orbit of it.

To make it even easier, we have to believe that a satellite like this, is like a person holding a hammer in the Olympics and swinging it around as he/she follows it around.
The magical string. The invisible nonsense that is battered into people's brains as realistic.

Nobody gives any thought to how they tell us that space crafts that get sent to so called moons and mars do this speed/acceleration around the Earth and then sling shots onto a trajectory towards whatever planet they tell us.

The issue is, has anyone ever thought about the sling shot?
We can see it work on Earth with the hammer thrower. We can see when he/she lets go, it takes a set direction.

What is a rocket doing after being released from the solid deck into the atmosphere and then supposedly through it at an angle?

It's accelerating around a supposed globe and held on by this imaginary string force. It circles the Earth however many times and gains speed.
From this point on it has to snap the imaginary string force keeping it attached to Earth, only this time it's not acting like the hammer thrower and his/her hammer, because it isn't in geo-sync.
It's actually moving many many times faster than the supposed Earth's rotation, as if it's string was attached to Earth in a groove like a so called malfunctioning yo-yo that allows the string to keep circling without being wound in or out.

The issue is, how does the string snap to set the rocket into motion away from Earth?
Does someone tap the brake pedal?
A quick puff of aerosol?
A quick side blast of super fire thrust?

How does this happen that can be thought of as anything even remotely looking like realistic.

Observable it is not. Repeatable it is obviously not.
The story tellers of sci-fi that fools the gullible of which we all are.

Sometimes being gullible is the easiest option, but it's not an option that a person takes willingly, because nobody likes to think they are gullible, although deep down they know they do succumb to it many times, which does go for all people.

The strongest people are those that are willing to eradicate some of their naivety for sucker stories.
The way to do that is to actually go through each story told and look for potential flaws in it.

All people have to remember is, the magical stuff that we see in so called space and what not, were all the imagination of sci-fi writers/story tellers and brought to life by the special effects teams and narrators.

To find out the difference between star trek and star wars, or Apollo to the moon or spaceX to mars, you need to re-read the story-lines and you need to look into your own mind to actually set it to a comfortable stance of seeing the bigger picture after every re-read.

The radius of the Earth is about 6,371 km, the angular velocity is about 73 microhertz, this gives a centrifugal force at the equator of about 3.4 cm/s²,or about 0.35% of gravity. Farther from the equator it's smaller. This is nowhere near strong enough to make things fly off the surface.

I spent a lot of my life entertaining the idea you still stick with. No more. I at least know, 100% that we are certainly not dealing with any 1000+ MPH spinning Earth in so called space vacuum as we are told.

It's you and the rest like you that need to wake up...or don't. Your choice.

how do you know?
what are the evidence that make you believe what you believe?

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

Save your typing, shills. I have no time for you.

Save your typing, shills. I have no time for you.

do you talk to me or to to itsatorus?

if you invest the time to learn basic physics its good.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 01:18:47 AM

MPH can only be measured with respect to what's happening on Earth.
A speed of over 1000 mph is simply what it says. It's a speed of 1000 mph.
All we have to do is to find out how many things go at 1000 mph, or more and then understand that we, as humans should be moving at that speed.

It doesn't matter whether it's told that the Earth spins only once in 24 hours and that makes its rotation very slow. The fact we are told about MPH means exactly what it says...to us....so therefore we expect to move at that speed with feet firmly planted on the deck.

The argument of the atmosphere moving in unison with the supposed ball rendering us unable to feel the motion, is total and utter nonsensical clap trap but most people are duped into believing it actually makes sense.
They believe it makes sense because of no other reason than being told about riding in cars, trains, or planes, in supposed sealed units that saunter through atmosphere and yet we supposedly do not feel the motion.

The reality is, if we were spinning on a ball we would be under what's known as centrifugal force, or would have except that the laws have changed on that and it's basically became a fictional force, where the real force is now, centripetal force, or an inward force.

The changes are due to people using common sense and realising that this outward slinging force should be slinging us off this supposed planet and yet it doesn't because it's changed to centripetal force. An inward force that stops us being slung into so called space.

People are all too willing to abandon basic common sense and clear and observable, repeatable experiments proving a physical,w here this rotation occurs and also the MPH which we all observe as a man made speed.

So instead of adhering to a thought process of a car, train, bus or plane going in a near straight direction, think of it doing a turn around a circular road, track or sky, because we all know that even the slightest movement away from centre results in a force in the same direction for anyone being part of that scenario.

Ok, so the silly arguments are us being spun with atmosphere and also solid ground, as well as water.
We physically know that water and atmosphere do not follow the example of the so called spin rotation but apparently, this is an atmosphere within an atmosphere, if you can get your head around it.

Take us outside of the so called ball into so called space with so called satellites being slung around the Earth and following the exact MPH of the Earth spin, as we are told. These so called satellites being around 23,000 miles away from Earth, as we are told. In geo-sync with Earth and yet under no influence of the atmosphere of Earth and yet they are still on the inward centripetal force, or the inward force, or to put it more simpler....they are held by the magical string attached from Earth into so called space orbit of it.

To make it even easier, we have to believe that a satellite like this, is like a person holding a hammer in the Olympics and swinging it around as he/she follows it around.
The magical string. The invisible nonsense that is battered into people's brains as realistic.

Nobody gives any thought to how they tell us that space crafts that get sent to so called moons and mars do this speed/acceleration around the Earth and then sling shots onto a trajectory towards whatever planet they tell us.

The issue is, has anyone ever thought about the sling shot?
We can see it work on Earth with the hammer thrower. We can see when he/she lets go, it takes a set direction.

What is a rocket doing after being released from the solid deck into the atmosphere and then supposedly through it at an angle?

It's accelerating around a supposed globe and held on by this imaginary string force. It circles the Earth however many times and gains speed.
From this point on it has to snap the imaginary string force keeping it attached to Earth, only this time it's not acting like the hammer thrower and his/her hammer, because it isn't in geo-sync.
It's actually moving many many times faster than the supposed Earth's rotation, as if it's string was attached to Earth in a groove like a so called malfunctioning yo-yo that allows the string to keep circling without being wound in or out.

The issue is, how does the string snap to set the rocket into motion away from Earth?
Does someone tap the brake pedal?
A quick puff of aerosol?
A quick side blast of super fire thrust?

How does this happen that can be thought of as anything even remotely looking like realistic.

Observable it is not. Repeatable it is obviously not.
The story tellers of sci-fi that fools the gullible of which we all are.

Sometimes being gullible is the easiest option, but it's not an option that a person takes willingly, because nobody likes to think they are gullible, although deep down they know they do succumb to it many times, which does go for all people.

The strongest people are those that are willing to eradicate some of their naivety for sucker stories.
The way to do that is to actually go through each story told and look for potential flaws in it.

All people have to remember is, the magical stuff that we see in so called space and what not, were all the imagination of sci-fi writers/story tellers and brought to life by the special effects teams and narrators.

To find out the difference between star trek and star wars, or Apollo to the moon or spaceX to mars, you need to re-read the story-lines and you need to look into your own mind to actually set it to a comfortable stance of seeing the bigger picture after every re-read.

The radius of the Earth is about 6,371 km, the angular velocity is about 73 microhertz, this gives a centrifugal force at the equator of about 3.4 cm/s²,or about 0.35% of gravity. Farther from the equator it's smaller. This is nowhere near strong enough to make things fly off the surface.

How about trying to prove that with some real evidence! Before you spew, make sure your evidence comes from earth's natural physical condition.

"Farther from the equator it's smaller."

They even claim it is 0 MPH at the poles. That would have made a great laugh track in Rowan and Martin's Laugh In.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 10:09:14 AM

Save your typing, shills. I have no time for you.

do you talk to me or to to itsatorus?

if you invest the time to learn basic physics its good.

If the physics is based on a spinning speeding earth, then it is a fabrication. Why don't you try being honest about the physics of water, for a change!

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:24:39 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

"Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?"

Oh please, I destroyed that claim weeks ago! Standing on earth, we are not encased in a solid shell/skin, like being in a plane. The atmosphere, thick or thin, is not going to provide the protection from the forces of moving at 1.8 million MPH, and it will not alter the effects of the ground moving at 1,000 MPH.

If the aircraft you are speeding in starts rotating, you are screwed! It is a weak, non-effect argument, come up with something better! Keep that garbage excuse out of my thread!

Quote from: Canadabear on March 10, 2017, 10:45:04 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 10:09:14 AM

Save your typing, shills. I have no time for you.

do you talk to me or to to itsatorus?

if you invest the time to learn basic physics its good.

If the physics is based on a spinning speeding earth, then it is a fabrication. Why don't you try being honest about the physics of water, for a change!

why don't you try to be honest and let us do the test, come to Ontario to Niagara on the Lake and we to the test together and see if we can see the building of Toronto.
how about that, to the real test.

He didn't watch the video. Too much of a coward.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:24:39 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

"You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed..."

Then why does the ground feel motionless? If the atmosphere is being dragged along by earth's surface by friction, where are the physical clues/signs/evidence from earth's physical condition that supports that claim? If the atmosphere is being dragged along by friction, then the atmosphere cannot be at the same speed as the surface of earth, it would always drag behind.

If a wing-walker has issues with navigating a 100 MPH platform, then why don't we have issues with navigating a 1,000 MPH platform? Support your fffing claims with some real evidence, FOR ONCE!

Quote from: itsatorus on March 10, 2017, 09:23:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:24:39 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

"Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?"

Oh please, I destroyed that claim weeks ago! Standing on earth, we are not encased in a solid shell/skin, like being in a plane. The atmosphere, thick or thin, is not going to provide the protection from the forces of moving at 1.8 million MPH, and it will not alter the effects of the ground moving at 1,000 MPH.

If the aircraft you are speeding in starts rotating, you are screwed! It is a weak, non-effect argument, come up with something better! Keep that garbage excuse out of my thread!

No you did not.  We are encased in the atmosphere which is moving with the earth.  You simply claimed that wasn't enough to protect us but you never showed what we need protection from. 

If the aircraft you are speeding in starts rotating, you are screwed! It is a weak, non-effect argument, come up with something better! Keep that garbage excuse out of my thread!

if you rotate with a speed of 1000 mph in a circle with a radius of 6370km the force that acts on you is very little

centrifugal force is F=m*(v^2)/r

F is the force
m is your mass of 100kg
v is your speed of 1000mph or 1600 km/h or 444 m/s
r is the radius 6370 km (earth radius) or 6370000 m

F=100kg *(444^2m^2/s^2)/6370000m
F=3.09 kg*m^2/(s^2 m)
F=3.09 kg*m/s^2

kg*m/s^2 is commonly known as Newton

Than means you experience a force of 3 Newton on you. that is really not much.

but i think you do not understand that anyway.

Quote from: itsatorus on March 10, 2017, 09:23:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:24:39 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

"Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?"

Oh please, I destroyed that claim weeks ago! Standing on earth, we are not encased in a solid shell/skin, like being in a plane. The atmosphere, thick or thin, is not going to provide the protection from the forces of moving at 1.8 million MPH, and it will not alter the effects of the ground moving at 1,000 MPH.

If the aircraft you are speeding in starts rotating, you are screwed! It is a weak, non-effect argument, come up with something better! Keep that garbage excuse out of my thread!

What magnitude of forces should we be feeling from moving at 1.8 mph? Give your answer as a specific number in some common unit system, please.

Quote from: physical observer on March 10, 2017, 11:04:23 AM

Quote from: itsatorus on March 10, 2017, 09:23:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:24:39 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

"Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?"

Oh please, I destroyed that claim weeks ago! Standing on earth, we are not encased in a solid shell/skin, like being in a plane. The atmosphere, thick or thin, is not going to provide the protection from the forces of moving at 1.8 million MPH, and it will not alter the effects of the ground moving at 1,000 MPH.

If the aircraft you are speeding in starts rotating, you are screwed! It is a weak, non-effect argument, come up with something better! Keep that garbage excuse out of my thread!

No you did not.  We are encased in the atmosphere which is moving with the earth.  You simply claimed that wasn't enough to protect us but you never showed what we need protection from.

"We are encased in the atmosphere..."

Oh PLEASE! I can walk through the atmosphere, it ain't strong enough to protect us from the forces associated with standing on the outside of a speeding vessel. It is a weak, non-logical excuse, not a factual statement.

Bucky, you are encased in the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, right? I guess you can then remove the skin of the speeding aircraft, because after all, the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, that you are encased in, is going to protect you, right?

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The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

"Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?"

Oh please, I destroyed that claim weeks ago! Standing on earth, we are not encased in a solid shell/skin, like being in a plane. The atmosphere, thick or thin, is not going to provide the protection from the forces of moving at 1.8 million MPH, and it will not alter the effects of the ground moving at 1,000 MPH.

If the aircraft you are speeding in starts rotating, you are screwed! It is a weak, non-effect argument, come up with something better! Keep that garbage excuse out of my thread!

What magnitude of forces should we be feeling from moving at 1.8 mph? Give your answer as a specific number in some common unit system, please.

Go take a ride at 1,000 MPH on a motorcycle, you'll understand what forces I'm talking about! Stop diverting with senseless side-arguments. Stick to the thread topic, prove, using earth's physical condition, we are on a spinning speeding ball, BET YOU CAN'T DO IT!!!!!!!

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The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

"Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?"

Oh please, I destroyed that claim weeks ago! Standing on earth, we are not encased in a solid shell/skin, like being in a plane. The atmosphere, thick or thin, is not going to provide the protection from the forces of moving at 1.8 million MPH, and it will not alter the effects of the ground moving at 1,000 MPH.

If the aircraft you are speeding in starts rotating, you are screwed! It is a weak, non-effect argument, come up with something better! Keep that garbage excuse out of my thread!

No you did not.  We are encased in the atmosphere which is moving with the earth.  You simply claimed that wasn't enough to protect us but you never showed what we need protection from.

"We are encased in the atmosphere..."

Oh PLEASE! I can walk through the atmosphere, it ain't strong enough to protect us from the forces associated with standing on the outside of a speeding vessel. It is a weak, non-logical excuse, not a factual statement.

Bucky, you are encased in the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, right? I guess you can then remove the skin of the speeding aircraft, because after all, the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, that you are encased in, is going to protect you, right?

If you took the skin off the airplane, the most significant force would be the wind resistance that results from your high speed relative to the atmosphere.

In space, the most analogous force is the force resulting from the pressure from the solar wind, which is tiny, only a few nanopascals. Not only is the atmosphere thick enough to protect us from it, we wouldn't be able to feel the resulting pressure even without an atmosphere.

"Master!"

"Yes, Grasshopper?"

"Master, today someone asked me a question, and I was not sure how to answer."

"Grasshopper, stand in the courtyard and tell me what you feel."

Grasshopper moves out into courtyard

"I don't not feel anything, the ground feels motionless."

"So your senses do not feel motion. What does your intuition tell you?"

"My intuition tells me the ground is motionless."

"Correct Grasshopper, you are now wiser than the fools that search in the darkness of clever books and imaginary math."

Grasshopper thinks for a minute......

"Grasshopper!"

Yes, Master?"

"Trust always, your senses and intuition, they are the path of true understanding."

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Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

"Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?"

Oh please, I destroyed that claim weeks ago! Standing on earth, we are not encased in a solid shell/skin, like being in a plane. The atmosphere, thick or thin, is not going to provide the protection from the forces of moving at 1.8 million MPH, and it will not alter the effects of the ground moving at 1,000 MPH.

If the aircraft you are speeding in starts rotating, you are screwed! It is a weak, non-effect argument, come up with something better! Keep that garbage excuse out of my thread!

No you did not.  We are encased in the atmosphere which is moving with the earth.  You simply claimed that wasn't enough to protect us but you never showed what we need protection from.

"We are encased in the atmosphere..."

Oh PLEASE! I can walk through the atmosphere, it ain't strong enough to protect us from the forces associated with standing on the outside of a speeding vessel. It is a weak, non-logical excuse, not a factual statement.

Bucky, you are encased in the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, right? I guess you can then remove the skin of the speeding aircraft, because after all, the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, that you are encased in, is going to protect you, right?

If you took the skin off the airplane, the most significant force would be the wind resistance that results from your high speed relative to the atmosphere.

In space, the most analogous force is the force resulting from the pressure from the solar wind, which is tiny, only a few nanopascals. Not only is the atmosphere thick enough to protect us from it, we wouldn't be able to feel the resulting pressure even without an atmosphere.

"the most significant force would be the wind resistance that results from your high speed relative to the atmosphere."

Yeah, but you claimed the atmosphere is strong enough to protect us from the forces of earth speeding along through the "almost vacuum of space", yet it is the atmosphere on the skinless aircraft that is kicking your @$$! You were encased in the inside atmosphere of the skinned aircraft, right? That atmosphere should protect you once the skin of the aircraft is removed, right? I mean, after all, that is what you claim is protecting us as we navigate the outside of the speeding earth vessel through the NON-VACUUM of space! Your counter-argument is a bogus pile of feces!

"Master!"

"Yes, Grasshopper?"

"Master, today someone asked me a question, and I was not sure how to answer."

"Grasshopper, stand in the courtyard and tell me what you feel."

Grasshopper moves out into courtyard

"I don't not feel anything, the ground feels motionless."

"So your senses do not feel motion. What does your intuition tell you?"

"My intuition tells me the ground is motionless."

"Correct Grasshopper, you are now wiser than the fools that search in the darkness of clever books and imaginary math."

Grasshopper thinks for a minute......

"Grasshopper!"

Yes, Master?"

"Trust always, your senses and intuition, they are the path of true understanding."

ok i trust my sense of vision:

i stand at the beach at Niagara at the Lakes
i look in the direction of Toronto across the lake.
i see only the top of the high buildings and not one of the lower buildings.
i even look thru a binocular and see the same
therefor the earth can not be flat, because i know that there are buildings that i can not see.

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Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

"Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?"

Oh please, I destroyed that claim weeks ago! Standing on earth, we are not encased in a solid shell/skin, like being in a plane. The atmosphere, thick or thin, is not going to provide the protection from the forces of moving at 1.8 million MPH, and it will not alter the effects of the ground moving at 1,000 MPH.

If the aircraft you are speeding in starts rotating, you are screwed! It is a weak, non-effect argument, come up with something better! Keep that garbage excuse out of my thread!

No you did not.  We are encased in the atmosphere which is moving with the earth.  You simply claimed that wasn't enough to protect us but you never showed what we need protection from.

"We are encased in the atmosphere..."

Oh PLEASE! I can walk through the atmosphere, it ain't strong enough to protect us from the forces associated with standing on the outside of a speeding vessel. It is a weak, non-logical excuse, not a factual statement.

Bucky, you are encased in the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, right? I guess you can then remove the skin of the speeding aircraft, because after all, the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, that you are encased in, is going to protect you, right?

If you took the skin off the airplane, the most significant force would be the wind resistance that results from your high speed relative to the atmosphere.

In space, the most analogous force is the force resulting from the pressure from the solar wind, which is tiny, only a few nanopascals. Not only is the atmosphere thick enough to protect us from it, we wouldn't be able to feel the resulting pressure even without an atmosphere.

"the most significant force would be the wind resistance that results from your high speed relative to the atmosphere."

Yeah, but you claimed the atmosphere is strong enough to protect us from the forces of earth speeding along through the "almost vacuum of space", yet it is the atmosphere on the skinless aircraft that is kicking your @$$! You were encased in the inside atmosphere of the skinned aircraft, right? That atmosphere should protect you once the skin of the aircraft is removed, right? I mean, after all, that is what you claim is protecting us as we navigate the outside of the speeding earth vessel through the NON-VACUUM of space! Your counter-argument is a bogus pile of feces!

If the skin of the aircraft were suddenly removed, the air inside the plane that was previously moving at your speed would quickly depressurize and be blown away by the air outside the plane, which is moving at hundreds of miles per hour relative to the plane. The solar wind doesn't blow away earth's atmosphere because the pressure exerted by the solar wind is tiny, like I said, only a few nanopascals.

Quote from: physical observer on March 10, 2017, 11:45:41 AM

"Master!"

"Yes, Grasshopper?"

"Master, today someone asked me a question, and I was not sure how to answer."

"Grasshopper, stand in the courtyard and tell me what you feel."

Grasshopper moves out into courtyard

"I don't not feel anything, the ground feels motionless."

"So your senses do not feel motion. What does your intuition tell you?"

"My intuition tells me the ground is motionless."

"Correct Grasshopper, you are now wiser than the fools that search in the darkness of clever books and imaginary math."

Grasshopper thinks for a minute......

"Grasshopper!"

Yes, Master?"

"Trust always, your senses and intuition, they are the path of true understanding."

ok i trust my sense of vision:

i stand at the beach at Niagara at the Lakes
i look in the direction of Toronto across the lake.
i see only the top of the high buildings and not one of the lower buildings.
i even look thru a binocular and see the same
therefor the earth can not be flat, because i know that there are buildings that i can not see.

If you can see the curve away from you, then why can't you see the curve in the horizon left to right? You'll claim to see this drastic curve going away, but see none going left to right. Maybe we live on a rolling pin?

Watch a train leaving a station on a known flat level straight track on a hot day. You'll see the bottom half of the train become obscure from refraction, before the top half finally disappears from perspective. On the water, you are dealing with refraction, and a few other phenomena.

Since when did water convex once it fills a void?

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Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

"Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?"

Oh please, I destroyed that claim weeks ago! Standing on earth, we are not encased in a solid shell/skin, like being in a plane. The atmosphere, thick or thin, is not going to provide the protection from the forces of moving at 1.8 million MPH, and it will not alter the effects of the ground moving at 1,000 MPH.

If the aircraft you are speeding in starts rotating, you are screwed! It is a weak, non-effect argument, come up with something better! Keep that garbage excuse out of my thread!

No you did not.  We are encased in the atmosphere which is moving with the earth.  You simply claimed that wasn't enough to protect us but you never showed what we need protection from.

"We are encased in the atmosphere..."

Oh PLEASE! I can walk through the atmosphere, it ain't strong enough to protect us from the forces associated with standing on the outside of a speeding vessel. It is a weak, non-logical excuse, not a factual statement.

Bucky, you are encased in the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, right? I guess you can then remove the skin of the speeding aircraft, because after all, the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, that you are encased in, is going to protect you, right?

If you took the skin off the airplane, the most significant force would be the wind resistance that results from your high speed relative to the atmosphere.

In space, the most analogous force is the force resulting from the pressure from the solar wind, which is tiny, only a few nanopascals. Not only is the atmosphere thick enough to protect us from it, we wouldn't be able to feel the resulting pressure even without an atmosphere.

"the most significant force would be the wind resistance that results from your high speed relative to the atmosphere."

Yeah, but you claimed the atmosphere is strong enough to protect us from the forces of earth speeding along through the "almost vacuum of space", yet it is the atmosphere on the skinless aircraft that is kicking your @$$! You were encased in the inside atmosphere of the skinned aircraft, right? That atmosphere should protect you once the skin of the aircraft is removed, right? I mean, after all, that is what you claim is protecting us as we navigate the outside of the speeding earth vessel through the NON-VACUUM of space! Your counter-argument is a bogus pile of feces!

If the skin of the aircraft were suddenly removed, the air inside the plane that was previously moving at your speed would quickly depressurize and be blown away by the air outside the plane, which is moving at hundreds of miles per hour relative to the plane. The solar wind doesn't blow away earth's atmosphere because the pressure exerted by the solar wind is tiny, like I said, only a few nanopascals.

The solar wind, came blowing in, in the nick of time.

What, had to abandon the "vacuum of space" claim? Now you come up with the solar wind? My. my, my, you sure are reaching for the stars! Maybe what you need is a little aether?

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Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:17:23 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 10, 2017, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Boots on March 10, 2017, 08:00:21 AM

The difference between velocity and acceleration and their respective effects seems a little too difficult for some people to comprehend.

I'll try again.

We don't notice the movement of the earth because, even though it is around 1000 MPH it is a nearly constant velocity and the atmosphere moves with us. If that 1000 MPH were in a straight line it would be a constant velocity and would be undetectable. Because we are turning, the velocity is constantly changing. (only in direction though not in speed)It is this turn which we should technically be able to detect but since we are only turning 15 degrees an hour we can't really detect it.

Of course we can't detect it. It's because it is absolutely not spinning at all.

If it was turning at 15 degrees per hour do you think you would be able to detect it?

Absolutely at 1000 mph, yep, no doubt about it and not only that but, unless we were bolted to the ground, we would be sliding along it until we go off level, which would be fairly instant and then back to the deck again.
You people really do need to wake up.
Thinking atmosphere drags you along with the solid floor of Earth is not just laughable, it's scary to think people actually believe it after being told about it.

Yeah but gravity. Yeah but centripetal force. Yeah but it's a reference frame. Yeah but atmosphere and solid, plus water all follow a set pattern.
Yeah but magic is real even though we can never ever witness it, unless we accept men feigning it.

Absolutely ridiculous and no amount of so called scientific jargon will change that FACT.

Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?

And you don't need atmosphere to drag you along. You're already moving at the Earth's rotational speed so no force is needed to keep you moving that speed, except a force to pull you down (gravity) and to cancel out the coriolis forces (which are so small that you don't even notice their contribution to the shear stress on your shoes when you walk around).

"Have you ever flown in a plane? Were you able to get up and walk around without sliding everywhere even though you weren't bolted down?"

Oh please, I destroyed that claim weeks ago! Standing on earth, we are not encased in a solid shell/skin, like being in a plane. The atmosphere, thick or thin, is not going to provide the protection from the forces of moving at 1.8 million MPH, and it will not alter the effects of the ground moving at 1,000 MPH.

If the aircraft you are speeding in starts rotating, you are screwed! It is a weak, non-effect argument, come up with something better! Keep that garbage excuse out of my thread!

No you did not.  We are encased in the atmosphere which is moving with the earth.  You simply claimed that wasn't enough to protect us but you never showed what we need protection from.

"We are encased in the atmosphere..."

Oh PLEASE! I can walk through the atmosphere, it ain't strong enough to protect us from the forces associated with standing on the outside of a speeding vessel. It is a weak, non-logical excuse, not a factual statement.

Bucky, you are encased in the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, right? I guess you can then remove the skin of the speeding aircraft, because after all, the atmosphere inside the speeding vessel, that you are encased in, is going to protect you, right?

If you took the skin off the airplane, the most significant force would be the wind resistance that results from your high speed relative to the atmosphere.

In space, the most analogous force is the force resulting from the pressure from the solar wind, which is tiny, only a few nanopascals. Not only is the atmosphere thick enough to protect us from it, we wouldn't be able to feel the resulting pressure even without an atmosphere.

"the most significant force would be the wind resistance that results from your high speed relative to the atmosphere."

Yeah, but you claimed the atmosphere is strong enough to protect us from the forces of earth speeding along through the "almost vacuum of space", yet it is the atmosphere on the skinless aircraft that is kicking your @$$! You were encased in the inside atmosphere of the skinned aircraft, right? That atmosphere should protect you once the skin of the aircraft is removed, right? I mean, after all, that is what you claim is protecting us as we navigate the outside of the speeding earth vessel through the NON-VACUUM of space! Your counter-argument is a bogus pile of feces!

If the skin of the aircraft were suddenly removed, the air inside the plane that was previously moving at your speed would quickly depressurize and be blown away by the air outside the plane, which is moving at hundreds of miles per hour relative to the plane. The solar wind doesn't blow away earth's atmosphere because the pressure exerted by the solar wind is tiny, like I said, only a few nanopascals.

"because the pressure exerted by the solar wind is tiny,"

Yeah, it has to be "tiny", it just has to be. Never mind the bulk of the earth slamming into the "solar wind" at 1.8 million MPH, hey? Just like NASA admits their globe is photoshopped, "because, it, it has to be!" Oh yeah, and don't mention the Magnus Force when a solid sphere is spinning inside earth's atmosphere, naw, well save those for my next thread.

I'm just waiting for you'll to finally realize......................{naw, I'll just see how long it takes them to figure it out.........}

If you can see the curve away from you, then why can't you see the curve in the horizon left to right? You'll claim to see this drastic curve going away, but see none going left to right. Maybe we live on a rolling pin?

There is no "drastic curve going" any way.
In the horizontal direction from near sea level, the horizon is exactly the same distance from and exactly the same distance below eye level.
So the horizon looks exactly the same all the way around and only about 0.04° below eye level all 360° around.

So there is no curvature to be seen. When you get very high you are looking down on this horizon circle, so there is a very slight curve.

Watch a train leaving a station on a known flat level straight track on a hot day. You'll see the bottom half of the train become obscure from refraction, before the top half finally disappears from perspective. On the water, you are dealing with refraction, and a few other phenomena.

Does it?, but whether it does or not, so what?
Ships disappear behind the horizon under most conditions, except when there is enough refraction of reflection to cause a mirage.

Since when did water convex once it fills a void?

Since there were oceans and  gravitation.

I don't think I've called space a vacuum in this discussion, so I can't be fairly accused of abandong that position unless my memory is faulty. Although space can be regarded as a vacuum for the relevant purposes here. The density of the solar wind is pretty negligible.

Do you acknowledge that if the solar wind is the most substantial effect on earth in space similar in nature to the air resistance experienced by moving objects in the atmosphere, and that if the solar wind has the properties attributed to it, then there is no reason we should expect the Earth's movement to be reflected in substantial forces at the surface?

Observer, what is in space that our atmosphere would no protect us from?  You keep saying step outside the vehicle.  When you do that you hit the atmosphere.  That's what you are feeling.  So what kind of atmosphere is there in space that we should feel?

Quote from: physical observer on March 10, 2017, 12:15:40 PM

If you can see the curve away from you, then why can't you see the curve in the horizon left to right? You'll claim to see this drastic curve going away, but see none going left to right. Maybe we live on a rolling pin?

There is no "drastic curve going" any way.
In the horizontal direction from near sea level, the horizon is exactly the same distance from and exactly the same distance below eye level.
So the horizon looks exactly the same all the way around and only about 0.04° below eye level all 360° around.

So there is no curvature to be seen. When you get very high you are looking down on this horizon circle, so there is a very slight curve.

Quote from: physical

Watch a train leaving a station on a known flat level straight track on a hot day. You'll see the bottom half of the train become obscure from refraction, before the top half finally disappears from perspective. On the water, you are dealing with refraction, and a few other phenomena.

Does it?, but whether it does or not, so what?
Ships disappear behind the horizon under most conditions, except when there is enough refraction of reflection to cause a mirage.

Quote from: physical

Since when did water convex once it fills a void?

Since there were oceans and  gravitation.

Show me a body of water on earth that is convex, once it fills a void. There are three huge lakes, one in Siberia, and one on the African Continent, and one in North America. Show me an aerial view of the convex water surface in those bodies of water, after all, you are dealing with hundreds of miles of water surface. By the way, the lake in Siberia, once it freezes over, it is known as the largest flat horizontal surface in the world. A flat horizontal surface is not convex.

Lake Baikal

Lake Victoria

Lake Superior