Air Pressure vs Gravity

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 11:56:33 AM

Totally misses the point. Why am I not surprised.

Then maybe you should have chosen a better example.  Like maybe one that explains why you believe that air pressure pushes down more than in other directions.

Just round in circles this.
I've explained before.
You lot wanted me to explain again. I tried to go a different route and you lot go into copy and paste crap to totally try to skew what I'm trying to get at from my side.

Now here's the key that you people just can't grasp.

This is MY theory. This my workings for it.
You lot have your workings handed to you on a silver platter but I'm not arguing against your silver platter handed methods.
I'm arguing for my thoughts and you lot kleep going into your stuff.

Ok so if you want to do that, how about you explain to me what gravity is because it's never been explained. Can you explain it?

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2017, 12:00:11 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 11:56:33 AM

Totally misses the point. Why am I not surprised.

Then maybe you should have chosen a better example.  Like maybe one that explains why you believe that air pressure pushes down more than in other directions.

Just round in circles this.
I've explained before.
You lot wanted me to explain again. I tried to go a different route and you lot go into copy and paste crap to totally try to skew what I'm trying to get at from my side.

Now here's the key that you people just can't grasp.

This is MY theory. This my workings for it.
You lot have your workings handed to you on a silver platter but I'm not arguing against your silver platter handed methods.
I'm arguing for my thoughts and you lot kleep going into your stuff.

Ok so if you want to do that, how about you explain to me what gravity is because it's never been explained. Can you explain it?

I already told you that it doesn't matter how gravity works.  We're discussing how denpressure is supposed to produce the same results as gravity.

I already told you that it doesn't matter how gravity works.  We're discussing how denpressure is supposed to produce the same results as gravity.

Clearly I'm trying to discuss denpressure. You are continually discussing what your science books tell you. See the issue?

So since we're playing that game. Can you explain what gravity actually is as a force?

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2017, 12:25:35 PM

I already told you that it doesn't matter how gravity works.  We're discussing how denpressure is supposed to produce the same results as gravity.

Clearly I'm trying to discuss denpressure. You are continually discussing what your science books tell you. See the issue?

We bring up the science books when you keep demanding to know how gravity works.

So since we're playing that game. Can you explain what gravity actually is as a force?

No, because you won't believe it anyway.

Tell us why air pressure should push down more than other directions.

it's a game...

Quote from: Boots on December 13, 2016, 12:34:42 AM

And does not air pressure increase as altitude decreases? This is why I don't understand why air pressure alone would cause an object to fall.

I'm going to give you something to think about and answer. Let's see if you come to the right thought on it and if not, I'll explain, because this is a good way to prove what you're dead against.

Open a tin of solid dog food or something that if formed in the tin with gelatin. Try and bash out the contents after you open the lid.
It's difficult, right?

Ok, now pierce a hole in the other end of the tin and now bash the contents out.
They come out easy. Why?

Answer this and you might start to grasp stuff.

As the meat meal begins to slide out, and it does just a dite, it creates a vacuum in the space vacated by the solid meat meal, thus locking the disgusting smelly solid meat meal in place. {Gads, I think I going to...gsteracht...okay} As you puncture the opposing end, the end with the vacuum, the vacuum is displace by air, and the meat slidesssssssssssssss out easy! Dang, I'm not going to get that smell out of my nostrils for awhile, thanks! Alpo, barfffffffff....................

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 13, 2016, 01:19:00 AM

Quote from: Boots on December 13, 2016, 12:34:42 AM

And does not air pressure increase as altitude decreases? This is why I don't understand why air pressure alone would cause an object to fall.

I'm going to give you something to think about and answer. Let's see if you come to the right thought on it and if not, I'll explain, because this is a good way to prove what you're dead against.

Open a tin of solid dog food or something that if formed in the tin with gelatin. Try and bash out the contents after you open the lid.
It's difficult, right?

Ok, now pierce a hole in the other end of the tin and now bash the contents out.
They come out easy. Why?

Answer this and you might start to grasp stuff.

As the meat meal begins to slide out, and it does just a dite, it creates a vacuum in the space vacated by the solid meat meal, thus locking the disgusting smelly solid meat meal in place. {Gads, I think I going to...gsteracht...okay} As you puncture the opposing end, the end with the vacuum, the vacuum is displace by air, and the meat slidesssssssssssssss out easy! Dang, I'm not going to get that smell out of my nostrils for awhile, thanks! Alpo, barfffffffff....................

It doesn't create a vacuum at all. Understand why and you'll start to understand reality.

What's keeping the meat in is the push of atmospheric pressure on the open end, because the lower pressure inside the can, cannot push to equalise that pressure, unless you pierce the other end of the can to allow air to do so.

People get so mixed up with vacuums.

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 10:49:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Not sure what you are asking.  Is this a biology question or anatomy or chemistry?  I mean the air is drawn into my lungs because, and I am not a student of anatomy so I'm kind of guessing here, muscles in my chest pull my lungs, increasing their capacity, thus drawing air in.  I btreathe out when muscles compress my lungs forcing air out.

The answer is, atmospheric pressure wants that air back that you stole.
It's going to crush you until your energy gives it up.
And when you breathe in again , the same thing.
Why?
Because as you take atmosphere in, your body expands to fill the lower pressure you created by robbing that atmosphere.
I say, robbing. I'm just using it as a simple saying so don't go all backward on me.
Think about what disputeone told you. Learn it from my end if you want to understand it, even if you don't like it or agree with any.

Does what I say make any sense?

Right you expand your lungs creating an area of lower pressure, air rushes in to equalize that pressure.

Quote from: onebigmonkey on February 24, 2017, 11:28:17 AM

No.

As usual you put the cart before the horse. Your body is not expanding to fill the gap created by the air pressure you robbed, it is expanding in order to bring that air in. You are not breathing out because the atmosphere is demanding it back, you are breathing out because you need more of it having exchanged oxygen and carbon dioxide at the alveolar level.

Pat attention or be gone.

I've given you all the attention your inane ramblings deserve. Put me on ignore if you get sick of your ass being handed to you.

Pat attention or be gone.

Yes teacher, but how do I "Pat attention"? Do you have a puppy called "Attention"?

But, Mr Sceptimatic, you are certainly full of yourself if you think that everybody has to sit at your feet to hear "the truth"!
When you take no notice of anything anyone else says about where your theory falls down.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 11:20:15 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 10:49:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Not sure what you are asking.  Is this a biology question or anatomy or chemistry?  I mean the air is drawn into my lungs because, and I am not a student of anatomy so I'm kind of guessing here, muscles in my chest pull my lungs, increasing their capacity, thus drawing air in.  I btreathe out when muscles compress my lungs forcing air out.

The answer is, atmospheric pressure wants that air back that you stole.
It's going to crush you until your energy gives it up.
And when you breathe in again , the same thing.
Why?
Because as you take atmosphere in, your body expands to fill the lower pressure you created by robbing that atmosphere.
I say, robbing. I'm just using it as a simple saying so don't go all backward on me.
Think about what disputeone told you. Learn it from my end if you want to understand it, even if you don't like it or agree with any.

Does what I say make any sense?

Right you expand your lungs creating an area of lower pressure, air rushes in to equalize that pressure.

Air rushes in where?

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 02:30:30 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 11:20:15 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 10:49:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Not sure what you are asking.  Is this a biology question or anatomy or chemistry?  I mean the air is drawn into my lungs because, and I am not a student of anatomy so I'm kind of guessing here, muscles in my chest pull my lungs, increasing their capacity, thus drawing air in.  I btreathe out when muscles compress my lungs forcing air out.

The answer is, atmospheric pressure wants that air back that you stole.
It's going to crush you until your energy gives it up.
And when you breathe in again , the same thing.
Why?
Because as you take atmosphere in, your body expands to fill the lower pressure you created by robbing that atmosphere.
I say, robbing. I'm just using it as a simple saying so don't go all backward on me.
Think about what disputeone told you. Learn it from my end if you want to understand it, even if you don't like it or agree with any.

Does what I say make any sense?

Right you expand your lungs creating an area of lower pressure, air rushes in to equalize that pressure.

Air rushes in where?

Into your lungs.  When you breathe, which was the question you asked.

You are continually discussing what your science books tell you.

You keep demanding people tell you.  Usually when you've been backed into a corner with denpressure.

Can you explain what gravity actually is as a force?

Oops, there you go again.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 13, 2016, 12:24:36 AM

I'm going to delete all my posts in this topic because this is the Q&A.
If you're seriously interested in understanding then start a topic up in general or debate.

As per your request, here it is in FEG.

Quote from: Boots on December 13, 2016, 12:19:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 12, 2016, 11:59:01 PM

Quote from: Boots on December 12, 2016, 11:18:00 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 12, 2016, 10:36:09 AM

Quote from: Boots on December 12, 2016, 09:24:48 AM

Sceptimatic, I was wondering if you could explain what force is causing the ball and feather in the following video to rapidly move from the top of the chamber to the bottom and then remain there?:

Their density overcoming the atmosphere it was placed in.
If you create, by force, a potential energy, then you know that for every action there will be an equal and opposite reaction.
Basically if you place dense matter into the atmosphere then the atmosphere will act upon it unless a force goes against it.

Sorry if I am a bit behind the curve here but I might have to back up a bit. Do you believe that as altitude increases air pressure decreases and vice versa? Does this same effect happen in water? Why?

I feel like you are trying to argue that objects fall down due to their lack of buoyancy, whether it be in water or air or something else. My question is, why down? Why doesn't the pressure squirt non buoyant objects off to the left or right or maybe even straight up? Why always down? Down is a higher pressure area. It would seem more logical if pressure was what was acting on an object, that it would force it into an area of lower pressure, not higher.

That is what happens.

I feel I'm pissing against the wind with you so I'm gonna leave it at that. You have no intention of grasping it, just like most globalists.
Come back to me when you want to honestly. I said HONESTLY try to grasp it without bias or doing it to look good for your internet (so called) friends.

Well I don't see my self subscribing to it any time soon but I am trying to understand your theory(?). And does not air pressure increase as altitude decreases? This is why I don't understand why air pressure alone would cause an object to fall.

As Bill Clinton I can confirm that gravity is just a hologram made by the U.S government to trick people into thinking the earth is round.