Sun and Moon pattern

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Sun and Moon pattern
« on: February 17, 2017, 11:51:40 PM »
How does a flat earther explain how the sun and moon rises?

Re: Sun and Moon pattern
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2017, 12:00:59 AM »
How does a flat earther explain how the sun and moon rises?

I ran over this video the other day & I found it very interesting - Maybe it could help explaining movement of the Sun & the Moon.

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Re: Sun and Moon pattern
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2017, 12:18:08 AM »
If this model is correct, then there are times where it is always sunny in the North Pole for extended periods of time. However Antarctica would never experience that same phenomena according to this model. However physical evidence suggests otherwise as there are personal accounts of consistent sun in Antarctica as well.

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Re: Sun and Moon pattern
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2017, 12:43:57 AM »
If this model is correct, then there are times where it is always sunny in the North Pole for extended periods of time. However Antarctica would never experience that same phenomena according to this model. However physical evidence suggests otherwise as there are personal accounts of consistent sun in Antarctica as well.

Duel earth theory, and also the non euclidean flat earth models have the answers you seek.
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Re: Sun and Moon pattern
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2017, 02:19:48 AM »
How does a flat earther explain how the sun and moon rises?

Did you make this thread before researching the flat earth answer? Because if you did, you wouldn't have asked the question. If you had researched the answer, then gone out during "sun-up", and "sun-down", it matches the flat earth model, not the ridicules spinning ball model.

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Re: Sun and Moon pattern
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2017, 04:23:16 AM »
How does a flat earther explain how the sun and moon rises?

I ran over this video the other day & I found it very interesting - Maybe it could help explaining movement of the Sun & the Moon.



Care to summarise the video?

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Re: Sun and Moon pattern
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2017, 04:24:30 AM »
How does a flat earther explain how the sun and moon rises?

Did you make this thread before researching the flat earth answer? Because if you did, you wouldn't have asked the question. If you had researched the answer, then gone out during "sun-up", and "sun-down", it matches the flat earth model, not the ridicules spinning ball model.
Flat Earth doesn't have an answer, at least not one that works.

Also, notice how you avoid the key issues he raised?
Sure, FET can come up with a spotlight sun nonsense to explain that the sun is only illuminating a certain area, making it match to some extent during "sun up" and "sun down". But it still can't explain the sun rise and sun set.

Re: Sun and Moon pattern
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2017, 07:57:25 AM »
If the sun moved around overhead like a circular spotlight then it would have to change it's speed the further away it got (eg setting), in order to maintain the same angular velocity of 15°/hour. But from a location further west, where the sun was overhead (noon) and not setting, do you see the sun speeding across the sky? No of course you don't, because the sun isn't a spotlight that moves around in circles, it's 93 million miles away and the Earth is a globe rotating 15° every hour.

Re: Sun and Moon pattern
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2017, 11:23:46 AM »
How does a flat earther explain how the sun and moon rises?

Did you make this thread before researching the flat earth answer? Because if you did, you wouldn't have asked the question. If you had researched the answer, then gone out during "sun-up", and "sun-down", it matches the flat earth model, not the ridicules spinning ball model.

In fact I did. I actually attempted to use this question in attempt to help make my point. Which I believe this model is very inconsistent. If you look at my other reply I explain why.

Re: Sun and Moon pattern
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2017, 11:27:21 AM »
If this model is correct, then there are times where it is always sunny in the North Pole for extended periods of time. However Antarctica would never experience that same phenomena according to this model. However physical evidence suggests otherwise as there are personal accounts of consistent sun in Antarctica as well.

Duel earth theory, and also the non euclidean flat earth models have the answers you seek.

I feel like Duel Earth theory is a much more complicated proof than Earth being a globe to explain this phenomena. And this leads me to question how such an earth was formed?  I just feel like there aren't any logical holes in the arguement of a round earth, however there are plenty in a flat earth.

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Re: Sun and Moon pattern
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2017, 12:28:59 PM »
If this model is correct, then there are times where it is always sunny in the North Pole for extended periods of time. However Antarctica would never experience that same phenomena according to this model. However physical evidence suggests otherwise as there are personal accounts of consistent sun in Antarctica as well.

Duel earth theory, and also the non euclidean flat earth models have the answers you seek.

I feel like Duel Earth theory is a much more complicated proof than Earth being a globe to explain this phenomena. And this leads me to question how such an earth was formed?  I just feel like there aren't any logical holes in the arguement of a round earth, however there are plenty in a flat earth.
The basis is magic aether (space) which pushes Earth into a disc, and continually flows, yet somehow doesn't tear the disc apart and still allows you to go from one disc to the other.

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Re: Sun and Moon pattern
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2017, 10:43:03 PM »
How does a flat earther explain how the sun and moon rises?
Did you make this thread before researching the flat earth answer? Because if you did, you wouldn't have asked the question.
Melodicmarc posted this:
If this model is correct, then there are times where it is always sunny in the North Pole for extended periods of time. However Antarctica would never experience that same phenomena according to this model. However physical evidence suggests otherwise as there are personal accounts of consistent sun in Antarctica as well.
and he is quite correct. Antarctica experiences exactly the same sunlight phenemona as the Arctic, only six moths apart.

Everywhere south of the Antarctica Circle experiences the  "midnight sun" (24 hour sunshine) on the 21st of December and the South Pole experiences continuous daylight from the 21st of September to the 21st of March.

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If you had researched the answer, then gone out during "sun-up", and "sun-down", it matches the flat earth model, not the ridicules spinning ball model.
You're dreaming! Please explain how the model in "the Wiki" or "FAQ" can explain the above phenomena?

What I see is the sun coming up from behind the horizon and sets behind the horizon like this!
Sometimes I find it hard to believe that any Flat Earther has ever really seen a sunrise or sunset.
           
Are you really going to claim that the sun in these photos is going behind the horizon due to "perspective", or "something"!

I have to tell you that the "ridicules spinning ball model" (as you call it) explains the sun in Antarctica and in the Arctic and everywhere else perfectly well!

The explanation FAQ is:
Quote from: The flat Earth Society FAQ
What About Seasons?
The radius of the sun's orbit around the Earth's axis symmetry varies throughout the year, being smallest when summer is in the northern annulus and largest when it is summer in the southern annulus. Additionally it also raises and lowers. This causes the effect of the sun appearing to move in a figure eight throughout a year.
What about Day/Night and Sunrise/Sunset?
The sun simply illuminates only a portion of the earth at a time. This also explains timezones as we can then see the path of the Sun, a circle above the flat earth.

The explanation of sunrise/sunset is ::) "The sun simply illuminates only a portion of the earth at a time." ::)
So, please tell me how the sun stays always the same size, till right on sunset, and then how it appears to dip below the horizon, because there is absolutely no doubt that is what it appears to do!