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What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
Denspressure
1 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

911 What is the truth?

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5580 on: September 22, 2017, 01:19:32 AM »
Rayzor this is where we left your questions.

I wasn't asking the penguin shill.  Please go away and shill somewhere else.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5581 on: September 22, 2017, 01:21:58 AM »
Rayzor this is where we left your questions.

I wasn't asking the penguin shill.  Please go away and shill somewhere else.

Projection. You project your hatred of yourself onto me.

No one can touch this.

This post debunks your assertion that the entire core collapsed leaving the outside intact and then the "outer facade" collapsing at free-fall.

Please read it and respond to it.
Here.
Can you debunk this post? If it's as stupid and I'm as stupid as you all claim surely a smart guy like you can debunk it.

No the video of the collapse shows the failure of columns 79, 80, and 81, causing a partial building collapse. (The collapse of the east penthouse.)

None of these were core columns and then after a few seconds, the entire core failed nearly simultaneously causing a 2.25 second symmetrical free-fall of the entire bulding. Remeber the "outer facade" had 18 structural support columns making any natural free-fall impossible.

@Rayzor.
You still haven't addressed your post trying to debunk Newton. Do you stand by it?

You seriously think I'm trying to debunk Newton?

I do, yes.

See.
We'll soon see about that.

Yes,  Hulsey's  simultaneous collapse theory.   What a joke.

In order for the building to collapse at free-fall the entire core had to fail nearly simultaneously. Structural resistance slows fall acceleration. If you don't like it take it up with Newton, not me.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Newt.html

Ah, I see where you went wrong,  you forgot that the center had already collapsed / was collapsing BEFORE the facade came down.  I really can't keep holding you hand while you work through these things, you have to start to think for yourself if you are going to be a good anon campaigner.

Thats not true that's the conclusions of the fraudulent NIST report. That is merely the lie we were sold.

Furthermore, even if the entire inner core collapsed leaving the entire "facade" intact (which is impossible because of the cross bracing) there were still 18 support columns around the exterior.



A free fall collapse even under your fairytale conditions is still impossible without a controlled demolition. You are trying to debunk Newton.

Q.E.D.


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Video evidence.
[Youtube][/youtube]

For reference Rayzor believes this debunks it. Notice he says it's "been debunked" since his first post on the topic.

We already debunked that free-fall argument.   But just to recap,  how is it possible for the rooftop of a building to fall?   Doesn't the fact that it collapsed at all mean that the building structure supporting the roof is collapsing,    why would you be surprised that it fell at a free fall rate.   At least until it hit ground and other debris piled up,   The graph in the NIST shows it quite clearly.   

You say you work in the industry,  you mean the building industry?   In what capacity?

What caused the core to collapse at free-fall


What caused the core to collapse at free-fall



Opposed to hovering in place?

Watch the video. When the west penthouse fails the building immediately collapses.

Video evidence.
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Please respond to my post.

When the west penthouse fails the building immediately collapses.

Gee, I wonder what was holding up the penthouse?

The core. Therefore as soon as the core failed the building came down. Hulsey is right.
Video evidence.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5582 on: September 22, 2017, 01:22:46 AM »
It's his job.

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I won't go down those lines. It benefits nobody to be fair.

You aren't doing yourself any favours by using this anonymous crap either and then posting your selfie picture.

I get that you have a bonafide argument against the buildings and 9/11 in general. I agree that it was definitely not as we were told.

Using the tactics you've lately employed to hammer a point home makes you look odd.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5583 on: September 22, 2017, 01:24:18 AM »
Rayzor.
Honestly, it was fun and you were a worthy adversary.

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That's fine scepti I don't mind looking odd.

It's word for word what he does here. The only debate is if it is by coincidence. I'm not sure how much you understand about Hulseys report but people will have to notice.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5584 on: September 22, 2017, 01:25:42 AM »
it's when a conspiracy makes no sense, and has no real supporting evidence

Let's see....I will trust my expensive education, over a decade of experience, 100k software, others education, experience and software that dwarfs mine over a "report" that the creators called rigged and "unsupported"...don't forget the 1000s of pages that were removed....

Yet the "truthers" are the crazy ones....
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5585 on: September 22, 2017, 01:26:36 AM »


Check the thread title,  for a clue. 

The truth about 9/11 conspiracy nutters.  is that they are paranoid delusional whack jobs.   Totally beyond the reach of logic and reason.
Are you basically saying that none of it should ever be questioned if it goes way beyond coincidence?
Is your default mindset to simply use CONSPIRACY NUTTERS for those that question official lines?

Not at all,  I believe you should question everything,  it's when a conspiracy makes no sense, and has no real supporting evidence, that continued belief descends into paranoid delusions.

Don't misunderstand me,  conspiracies are real,  9/11 was a conspiracy by islamic terrorists.  The US intelligence community conspired to cover up their failure to act on the information they had prior to 9/11. 

A conspiracy to demolish WTC7 makes no sense on any level.
You accept it was a conspiracy on a different level to many others.
Is it possible that you are barking up the wrong tree and in actual fact, we are all not entirely barking up the right tree?
You seem to believe that EXTERNAL terrorists done it.
I happen to believe that you are way smarter than that.

I know that you have much more about you than to overlook the absolute abundance of coincidences and mishaps that would literally be impossible leading up to this supposed terrorist attack.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5586 on: September 22, 2017, 01:29:30 AM »
I posted a selfie because Symptom tried to imply I was some sort of neckbeard virgin predator.

I was pretty willing to bet I was better looking. It might have looked arrogant but imagine how you would feel if someone tried to imply you exploited children?

Edit.
Theres a lot of negativity and hate on this website directed at me and I try to be as reasonable as possible.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5587 on: September 22, 2017, 01:37:31 AM »
Daily reminder you cant touch this.

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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5588 on: September 22, 2017, 01:38:16 AM »


Check the thread title,  for a clue. 

The truth about 9/11 conspiracy nutters.  is that they are paranoid delusional whack jobs.   Totally beyond the reach of logic and reason.
Are you basically saying that none of it should ever be questioned if it goes way beyond coincidence?
Is your default mindset to simply use CONSPIRACY NUTTERS for those that question official lines?

Not at all,  I believe you should question everything,  it's when a conspiracy makes no sense, and has no real supporting evidence, that continued belief descends into paranoid delusions.

Don't misunderstand me,  conspiracies are real,  9/11 was a conspiracy by islamic terrorists.  The US intelligence community conspired to cover up their failure to act on the information they had prior to 9/11. 

A conspiracy to demolish WTC7 makes no sense on any level.



Failure to act on the information? BS You would think the destruction of the WTC's, the Pentagon and the one that went down early was rumoured to hit the White House would not have warranted more attention? The government not only knew about the impending attack (FACT) there is reason to suspect they helped to facilitate it. Convenient for them the side of the Pentagon that was hit was largely empty undergoing refurbishment, had no high level brass people and the plane for the White House never made it. The targets hit reached their goal in getting what they wanted. Those events were the catalyst for people across the entire world totally innocent to lose their personal freedoms, liberties and plunge the US into an indefinite ground war in the middle east.

I'll let independent experts that haven't been paid or directed by the government tell me what happened. Not the government who clearly had a hand in it. Not people paid for and selected by the government and not mindless shills like you tell me what happened. You still dodge questions and cant answer disputeones questions. You've had your cronies fill the page with walls of off topic, gas lighting posts instead.

Breaking it down into simplicity  Rayzor, the way you treat people who simply want answers and justice for what happened on that 9/11 day is quite abhorrent. Regardless of whether you believe he is wrong or right in this regard, your personal attacks are quite disgusting to watch and merely demonstrates your immaturity and ineptness. If you think your behaviour will score you points and credibility in the eyes of your peers, think again. You are only reaffirming why people should continue to ask questions and not give up.

Take a look in the mirror Rayzor. If you are proud of what is looking back at you then you have my sincere pity. If not, maybe there is hope for you yet. Wake up, take a look at your treatment of others and maybe re enter the discussions with a far more level head and mature conduct that earns you respect instead of losing it.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5589 on: September 22, 2017, 01:44:24 AM »
I posted a selfie because Symptom tried to imply I was some sort of neckbeard virgin predator.

I was pretty willing to bet I was better looking. It might have looked arrogant but imagine how you would feel if someone tried to imply you exploited children?

Edit.
Theres a lot of negativity and hate on this website directed at me and I try to be as reasonable as possible.
There's no hate directed at you.
People are treating you like an idiot just like they treat me like one.
Both of us know we aren't idiots and those who play against us know that, but they have to play along in order to get the required bites.

You are now providing them with what they want. They want you to become irrational because it gives credence to their tried and tested spew of following mainstream opinion on questioner's of official lines being tin foil hat loop the loop conspiracy nutters.

Your lines of, we are legion, we forgive but not forget and we are anonymous, does not help your argument and nor does posting selfies of the supposed anonymous in order to prove how muscular and good looking anonymous, in your face selfie man, in a dust mask and safety glasses, looks.

It's actually counter productive.
Personally I don't trust you but then again I did tell you this a long time ago, didn't I?

Don't take it personally though, because I don't trust anyone on here...but I do have some semblance of forum trust with the few.

You were one, but so was legba.
The problem was, he destroyed his opportunity and you're as close as ever to destroying any last bit of forum trust.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5590 on: September 22, 2017, 01:46:54 AM »
As far as I am concerned 911 was an inside job. I explain why at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

The 2001 911 attacks are a 100% US terrorist job on it self in order to blame others. It happens all the time.
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  There’s no motive for killing so many of your own citizens...and you’re completely wrong.  People died and you’re an idiot if you can’t see that.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5591 on: September 22, 2017, 01:50:23 AM »
I posted a selfie because Symptom tried to imply I was some sort of neckbeard virgin predator.

I was pretty willing to bet I was better looking. It might have looked arrogant but imagine how you would feel if someone tried to imply you exploited children?

Edit.
Theres a lot of negativity and hate on this website directed at me and I try to be as reasonable as possible.
There's no hate directed at you.
People are treating you like an idiot just like they treat me like one.
Both of us know we aren't idiots and those who play against us know that, but they have to play along in order to get the required bites.

You are now providing them with what they want. They want you to become irrational because it gives credence to their tried and tested spew of following mainstream opinion on questioner's of official lines being tin foil hat loop the loop conspiracy nutters.

Your lines of, we are legion, we forgive but not forget and we are anonymous, does not help your argument and nor does posting selfies of the supposed anonymous in order to prove how muscular and good looking anonymous, in your face selfie man, in a dust mask and safety glasses, looks.

It's actually counter productive.
Personally I don't trust you but then again I did tell you this a long time ago, didn't I?

Don't take it personally though, because I don't trust anyone on here...but I do have some semblance of forum trust with the few.

You were one, but so was legba.
The problem was, he destroyed his opportunity and you're as close as ever to destroying any last bit of forum trust.

That's fine man I respect your right not to totally trust me. I would actually encourage that skepticism on this site.

Trust the people you want to. Sorry if I offended you ripping on the flat earth. I have always tried to respect your beliefs. You're intelligent and I always found your posts interesting.

Edit. Scepti also no disrespect but it's a bit different with you and I here. I can prove my points on wtc 7 with accepted science. It's much more of a threat than any of your posts, again no disrespect.

As far as I am concerned 911 was an inside job. I explain why at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

The 2001 911 attacks are a 100% US terrorist job on it self in order to blame others. It happens all the time.
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  There’s no motive for killing so many of your own citizens...and you’re completely wrong.  People died and you’re an idiot if you can’t see that.

Mike

I'm not agreeing with Heiwa but there was all the motive in the world. Think I am crazy of you like, maybe consider the possibility we could be right.
This goes so much deeper than any of us know and 9/11 is our crowbar. The people really responsible for 9/11 didn't care about the deaths on 9/11 or the subsequent and illegal, fraudulent war on terror.

Totes used to make fun of me for arguing like this was a battle for our souls. It was and always has been.

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« Last Edit: September 22, 2017, 01:57:05 AM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5592 on: September 22, 2017, 02:21:43 AM »


Beauty cannot exist without truth.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5593 on: September 22, 2017, 02:25:09 AM »
Trust the people you want to. Sorry if I offended you ripping on the flat earth. I have always tried to respect your beliefs. You're intelligent and I always found your posts interesting.

I find many posts interesting, from many people on here and not just alternate theorists to the mainstream.
I find many of your posts to be closer to the bone than away from it.
I'm definitely having a dig at you but not because of your questioning or belief's. I'm having a dig at the way you've changed tac.
Whether you believe you are or not, you are starting to come across as threateningly aggressive, word wise.


Edit. Scepti also no disrespect but it's a bit different with you and I here. I can prove my points on wtc 7 with accepted science. It's much more of a threat than any of your posts, again no disrespect.

Proving your points and having them accepted by official lines are two entirely different scenarios.
You may be able to prove that your governor of your state burgled your home but who is going to take you seriously if there's other explanations given as to who burgled your home?

You say it will all come out but 16 years later it's still argued.
The moon landings are still argued.
Every conspiracy remains so because the answers to what really happened are numerous and water muddied.

You and I know that WTC7 didn't collapse due to fire or debris strikes. Most people who have any interest in it, unemotionally, knows it didn't just collapse like we are told.

It's all interesting to ponder over but the truth of anything will only ever come out when it's designed to come out and not before...no matter what.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5594 on: September 22, 2017, 02:28:05 AM »


Beauty cannot exist without truth.
Do you tell lies?


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5595 on: September 22, 2017, 02:32:36 AM »
Newtons laws are laws for a reason Scepti. When we show that either wtc 7 was a controlled demolition or broke all three of newtons laws on 9/11 it will be a big deal. More than that this gives people who wouldn't have otherwise had the courage to stand up and say wtc 7 was a controlled demolition out of fear of being called a "conspiracy nutter" (or any other colourful examples on this thread)

We landed on the moon. It's trivial to do by todays standards. Technology is purposefully suppressed from the public.

This is a massive red-pill.
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We had these twenty four years ago.

I do agree with you that these people keep the general population as slaves.

I believe we are on the verge of winning.



Beauty cannot exist without truth.
Do you tell lies?

I tell the truth as much as I can and always try to admit when I'm wrong. That's all I can say. I have of course told a lie or two before because I am human. I do my very best to be honest.

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« Last Edit: September 22, 2017, 02:44:29 AM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5596 on: September 22, 2017, 02:52:15 AM »
Newtons laws are laws for a reason Scepti. When we show that either wtc 7 was a controlled demolition or broke all three of newtons laws on 9/11 it will be a big deal. More than that this gives people who wouldn't have otherwise had the courage to stand up and say wtc 7 was a controlled demolition out of fear of being called a "conspiracy nutter" (or any other colourful examples on this thread)

We landed on the moon. It's trivial to do by todays standards. Technology is purposefully suppressed from the public.

This is a massive red-pill.

We had these twenty four years ago.

I do agree with you that these people keep the general population as slaves.

I believe we are on the verge of winning.

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I believe they were all CD.
As for being on the verge of winning........winning what?
The sooner you understand that there are genius people running this world, the sooner you will realise that you will never win anything that isn't already designed for you to supposedly win.



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Do you tell lies?

I tell the truth as much as I can and always try to admit when I'm wrong. That's all I can say. I have of course told a lie or two before because I am human. I do my very best to be honest.
Doing your very best to be honest is not being honest.
You were a liar like the rest of the populations of the world.
The issue is in the design of the lie as to how it comes across to others as being better or worse.
The truth is, a lie is a lie no matter how it's dressed up.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5597 on: September 22, 2017, 02:59:15 AM »
There's still objective truth.

Objective truth is wtc 7 collapsed due to controlled demolition. It was a false flag to take our freedoms.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5598 on: September 22, 2017, 03:05:10 AM »


Check the thread title,  for a clue. 

The truth about 9/11 conspiracy nutters.  is that they are paranoid delusional whack jobs.   Totally beyond the reach of logic and reason.
Are you basically saying that none of it should ever be questioned if it goes way beyond coincidence?
Is your default mindset to simply use CONSPIRACY NUTTERS for those that question official lines?

Not at all,  I believe you should question everything,  it's when a conspiracy makes no sense, and has no real supporting evidence, that continued belief descends into paranoid delusions.

Don't misunderstand me,  conspiracies are real,  9/11 was a conspiracy by islamic terrorists.  The US intelligence community conspired to cover up their failure to act on the information they had prior to 9/11. 

A conspiracy to demolish WTC7 makes no sense on any level.



Failure to act on the information? BS You would think the destruction of the WTC's, the Pentagon and the one that went down early was rumoured to hit the White House would not have warranted more attention? The government not only knew about the impending attack (FACT) there is reason to suspect they helped to facilitate it. Convenient for them the side of the Pentagon that was hit was largely empty undergoing refurbishment, had no high level brass people and the plane for the White House never made it. The targets hit reached their goal in getting what they wanted. Those events were the catalyst for people across the entire world totally innocent to lose their personal freedoms, liberties and plunge the US into an indefinite ground war in the middle east.

I'll let independent experts that haven't been paid or directed by the government tell me what happened. Not the government who clearly had a hand in it. Not people paid for and selected by the government and not mindless shills like you tell me what happened. You still dodge questions and cant answer disputeones questions. You've had your cronies fill the page with walls of off topic, gas lighting posts instead.

Breaking it down into simplicity  Rayzor, the way you treat people who simply want answers and justice for what happened on that 9/11 day is quite abhorrent. Regardless of whether you believe he is wrong or right in this regard, your personal attacks are quite disgusting to watch and merely demonstrates your immaturity and ineptness. If you think your behaviour will score you points and credibility in the eyes of your peers, think again. You are only reaffirming why people should continue to ask questions and not give up.

Take a look in the mirror Rayzor. If you are proud of what is looking back at you then you have my sincere pity. If not, maybe there is hope for you yet. Wake up, take a look at your treatment of others and maybe re enter the discussions with a far more level head and mature conduct that earns you respect instead of losing it.

I'll give you one chance, and one only,  provide verifiable evidence for your assertions.   I'll listen to whatever you present as fairly as I can.

A word of advice however,  keep up the personal attacks and you'll get the same in return, your choice.

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5599 on: September 22, 2017, 03:06:53 AM »
Check the thread title,  for a clue. 

The truth about 9/11 conspiracy nutters.  is that they are paranoid delusional whack jobs.   Totally beyond the reach of logic and reason.

Wow an ad hominem...I am Jack's complete lack of surprise...

Do you have anything else?

Let's see how honest you really are.   Just answer 2 simple questions.

1.  Why bother to demolish a building that was about to collapse?   All they had to do was wait.
2.  Why wait 7 hours before the demolition.

I've never gotten honest answers to either question.

Still waiting for an honest response from BHS. 

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5600 on: September 22, 2017, 03:09:08 AM »
I believe they were all CD.
As for being on the verge of winning........winning what?
The sooner you understand that there are genius people running this world, the sooner you will realise that you will never win anything that isn't already designed for you to supposedly win.

Don't be such a pessimist, you'll never change anything with that attitude that's for sure man. Winning against these so called geniuses that run the world. The internet has given us a free exchange of information and the truth is very hard to hide. Given they still have lots of secrets but as I said. 9/11 is our crowbar into their house. Can you see they're scared?

What makes these people so much smarter than any of us? We are all humans, we all breathe the same air and have the same colour blood.

You can save the world from these people Scepti, I believe you can.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5601 on: September 22, 2017, 03:09:37 AM »
There's still objective truth.

Objective truth is wtc 7 collapsed due to controlled demolition. It was a false flag to take our freedoms.
What freedom?
We've never really had freedom.
It's to keep us in line. To keep us in a state of need. the need for security.

It's always been the same and always will be  until we are able to control our savagery.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5602 on: September 22, 2017, 03:10:55 AM »
I'll give you one chance, and one only,  provide verifiable evidence for your assertions.   I'll listen to whatever you present as fairly as I can.

Audible kek.

This post debunks your assertion that the entire core collapsed leaving the outside intact and then the "outer facade" collapsing at free-fall.

Please read it and respond to it.
Here.
Can you debunk this post? If it's as stupid and I'm as stupid as you all claim surely a smart guy like you can debunk it.

No the video of the collapse shows the failure of columns 79, 80, and 81, causing a partial building collapse. (The collapse of the east penthouse.)

None of these were core columns and then after a few seconds, the entire core failed nearly simultaneously causing a 2.25 second symmetrical free-fall of the entire bulding. Remeber the "outer facade" had 18 structural support columns making any natural free-fall impossible.

@Rayzor.
You still haven't addressed your post trying to debunk Newton. Do you stand by it?

You seriously think I'm trying to debunk Newton?

I do, yes.

See.
We'll soon see about that.

Yes,  Hulsey's  simultaneous collapse theory.   What a joke.

In order for the building to collapse at free-fall the entire core had to fail nearly simultaneously. Structural resistance slows fall acceleration. If you don't like it take it up with Newton, not me.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Newt.html

Ah, I see where you went wrong,  you forgot that the center had already collapsed / was collapsing BEFORE the facade came down.  I really can't keep holding you hand while you work through these things, you have to start to think for yourself if you are going to be a good anon campaigner.

Thats not true that's the conclusions of the fraudulent NIST report. That is merely the lie we were sold.

Furthermore, even if the entire inner core collapsed leaving the entire "facade" intact (which is impossible because of the cross bracing) there were still 18 support columns around the exterior.



A free fall collapse even under your fairytale conditions is still impossible without a controlled demolition. You are trying to debunk Newton.

Q.E.D.


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Video evidence.
[Youtube][/youtube]

For reference Rayzor believes this debunks it. Notice he says it's "been debunked" since his first post on the topic.

We already debunked that free-fall argument.   But just to recap,  how is it possible for the rooftop of a building to fall?   Doesn't the fact that it collapsed at all mean that the building structure supporting the roof is collapsing,    why would you be surprised that it fell at a free fall rate.   At least until it hit ground and other debris piled up,   The graph in the NIST shows it quite clearly.   

You say you work in the industry,  you mean the building industry?   In what capacity?

What caused the core to collapse at free-fall


What caused the core to collapse at free-fall



Opposed to hovering in place?

Watch the video. When the west penthouse fails the building immediately collapses.

Video evidence.
[Youtube][/youtube]

Please respond to my post.

When the west penthouse fails the building immediately collapses.

Gee, I wonder what was holding up the penthouse?

The core. Therefore as soon as the core failed the building came down. Hulsey is right.
Video evidence.
[Youtube][/youtube]

[Youtube][/youtube]
« Last Edit: September 22, 2017, 03:12:59 AM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5603 on: September 22, 2017, 03:12:27 AM »
There's still objective truth.

Objective truth is wtc 7 collapsed due to controlled demolition. It was a false flag to take our freedoms.
What freedom?
We've never really had freedom.
It's to keep us in line. To keep us in a state of need. the need for security.

It's always been the same and always will be  until we are able to control our savagery.

A lot of our freedom was lost with JFK. I agree it's gone on much longer than that. As I said. I believe we can win.

We are not as we are now by nature. Our corrupt society has corrupted us.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2017, 03:14:07 AM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5604 on: September 22, 2017, 03:16:27 AM »
Why 911 was an inside job I have explained at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm since many years.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5605 on: September 22, 2017, 03:16:47 AM »
Bot.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5606 on: September 22, 2017, 03:24:52 AM »
I believe they were all CD.
As for being on the verge of winning........winning what?
The sooner you understand that there are genius people running this world, the sooner you will realise that you will never win anything that isn't already designed for you to supposedly win.

Don't be such a pessimist, you'll never change anything with that attitude that's for sure man. Winning against these so called geniuses that run the world. The internet has given us a free exchange of information and the truth is very hard to hide. Given they still have lots of secrets but as I said. 9/11 is our crowbar into their house. Can you see they're scared?

What makes these people so much smarter than any of us? We are all humans, we all breathe the same air and have the same colour blood.

You can save the world from these people Scepti, I believe you can.
I'm not after saving the world. I'm after getting on with my life is as comfortable a way as possible, whilst exercising my mind in my leisure time, by using forums to convey my thoughts and take onboard, other thoughts.

I have no wish to walk about with placards proclaiming the end of the world is nigh or this or that government is corrupt, or the moon landing's were a hoax.
I'll happily discuss them and happily agree to them all being in need of questioning.
What I don't feel the need to do is to waste my life trying to physically alter something that will only be altered when it is decided by the powers that be, on their terms.

The common person wins nothing in conflict and you are deluded if you think otherwise.
All you will ever achieve by doing what you're doing, assuming you are physically trying to alter stuff by being a sort of martyr.....is legal strife for what will be deemed, your illegal activities.

Worth it you say?
What's it worth?
Jail or fines and the tag on nutcase?

A planted " we won" flag on some common if you manage to make some media news outlet take an interest?

Stick to forum discussions and/or pizza nights in with conspiracies on the agenda in an in house heated debate.
You will never win anything you're fighting against.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5607 on: September 22, 2017, 03:27:02 AM »
I'm not after saving the world. I'm after getting on with my life is as comfortable a way as possible, whilst exercising my mind in my leisure time, by using forums to convey my thoughts and take onboard, other thoughts.

I respect your path, it's a fine one to walk. Good luck on your journey.

You will never win anything you're fighting against.

I believe you are wrong.

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1 million views we don't need the media. The internet is the media now.

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They know we have the internet and they are scared, trust me.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2017, 03:30:28 AM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5608 on: September 22, 2017, 03:34:56 AM »
I'm not after saving the world. I'm after getting on with my life is as comfortable a way as possible, whilst exercising my mind in my leisure time, by using forums to convey my thoughts and take onboard, other thoughts.

I respect your path, it's a fine one to walk. Good luck on your journey.

You will never win anything you're fighting against.

I believe you are wrong.

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1 million views we don't need the media. The internet is the media now.


I think you are both wrong,  there are in fact things worth fighting for,  personal freedom and truth are top of the list.  Any time we see unfounded conspiracies and attacks on science we should stand up and be counted. 

A conspiracy to shift the blame from the real culprits,  islamic terrorists, to innocents should be fought with facts and evidence. 

The internet is great for spreading conspiracies,  we need to educate people to recognize bullshit when they encounter it.

Sorry Scepti,  I admire free thinking, but the earth isn't flat, and we don't live under a dome.   

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5609 on: September 22, 2017, 03:35:58 AM »
I'm not after saving the world. I'm after getting on with my life is as comfortable a way as possible, whilst exercising my mind in my leisure time, by using forums to convey my thoughts and take onboard, other thoughts.

I respect your path, it's a fine one to walk. Good luck on your journey.

You will never win anything you're fighting against.

I believe you are wrong.
You're entitled to do what you feel you need to do; whatever that is.
Many people have tried and failed to make a stance against those that they feel have wronged them.

Whatever age you reach, you will have a last look back and despair at how much of your physical and mental energies you put into doing what you're doing.
The problem is, you'll never get the chance to change any of it.

Change it now and just get on with your life in as best way you can, by doing the things that you genuinely want to do.
You are being led down the garden path with a blind fold on and you still think your long journey is still walking down your garden path, because you've comforted yourself on that thought, despite being way outside of your perceived comfort zone.

I personally hope you're just trolling.