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What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
Denspressure
1 (4.3%)

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Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5550 on: September 21, 2017, 09:05:51 PM »
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5551 on: September 21, 2017, 09:11:00 PM »
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Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 07:35:45 PM

What caused the core to collapse at free-fall



Opposed to hovering in place?

Watch the video. When the west penthouse fails the building immediately collapses.

Video evidence.
[Youtube][/youtube]

I've made no threats to this forum. I've merely asked the mods to ban the shills.

Please respond to my post.

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Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 07:43:13 PM
When the west penthouse fails the building immediately collapses.

Gee, I wonder what was holding up the penthouse?

The core. Therefore as soon as the core failed the building came down. Hulsey is right.
Video evidence.
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« Reply #5552 on: September 21, 2017, 09:13:07 PM »
Was it Intikam?
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« Reply #5553 on: September 21, 2017, 09:23:05 PM »
Quote from: crutonius on September 21, 2017, 09:13:07 PM
Was it Intikam?

It was everyone who failed to "expect us".
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5554 on: September 21, 2017, 09:49:43 PM »
Can anyone debunk my posts on wtc 7 proving it to be a controlled demolition?

Let's have a debate.

I think you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the shadow government crutonius.

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« Reply #5555 on: September 21, 2017, 09:52:43 PM »
Was it Shifter?
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« Reply #5556 on: September 21, 2017, 10:20:06 PM »
I only requested Rayzors ban.

Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 09:49:43 PM
Can anyone debunk my posts on wtc 7 proving it to be a controlled demolition?

Let's have a debate.

I think you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the shadow government crutonius.

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« Reply #5557 on: September 21, 2017, 10:22:25 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 07:35:45 PM
This post debunks your assertion that the entire core collapsed leaving the outside intact and then the "outer facade" collapsing at free-fall.

Please read it and respond to it.
Here.
Can you debunk this post? If it's as stupid and I'm as stupid as you all claim surely a smart guy like you can debunk it.

Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 05:46:15 PM
No the video of the collapse shows the failure of columns 79, 80, and 81, causing a partial building collapse. (The collapse of the east penthouse.)

None of these were core columns and then after a few seconds, the entire core failed nearly simultaneously causing a 2.25 second symmetrical free-fall of the entire bulding. Remeber the "outer facade" had 18 structural support columns making any natural free-fall impossible.

@Rayzor.
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You still haven't addressed your post trying to debunk Newton. Do you stand by it?

You seriously think I'm trying to debunk Newton?

I do, yes.

See.
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We'll soon see about that.

Yes,  Hulsey's  simultaneous collapse theory.   What a joke.

In order for the building to collapse at free-fall the entire core had to fail nearly simultaneously. Structural resistance slows fall acceleration. If you don't like it take it up with Newton, not me.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Newt.html

Ah, I see where you went wrong,  you forgot that the center had already collapsed / was collapsing BEFORE the facade came down.  I really can't keep holding you hand while you work through these things, you have to start to think for yourself if you are going to be a good anon campaigner.

Quote from: disputeone on September 20, 2017, 04:10:35 AM
Thats not true that's the conclusions of the fraudulent NIST report. That is merely the lie we were sold.

Furthermore, even if the entire inner core collapsed leaving the entire "facade" intact (which is impossible because of the cross bracing) there were still 18 support columns around the exterior.



A free fall collapse even under your fairytale conditions is still impossible without a controlled demolition. You are trying to debunk Newton.

Q.E.D.

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Video evidence.
[Youtube][/youtube]

For reference Rayzor believes this debunks it. Notice he says it's "been debunked" since his first post on the topic.

Quote from: Rayzor on February 13, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
We already debunked that free-fall argument.   But just to recap,  how is it possible for the rooftop of a building to fall?   Doesn't the fact that it collapsed at all mean that the building structure supporting the roof is collapsing,    why would you be surprised that it fell at a free fall rate.   At least until it hit ground and other debris piled up,   The graph in the NIST shows it quite clearly.   

You say you work in the industry,  you mean the building industry?   In what capacity?

What caused the core to collapse at free-fall

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5558 on: September 21, 2017, 10:26:23 PM »
Does anyone want to do the math of ratio between a 200 pound mass smashing a 2 ounce coke can?

Then we can determine the mass of the giant needed to crush building 7...
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« Reply #5559 on: September 21, 2017, 10:27:09 PM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 21, 2017, 08:49:29 PM
You realize everyone is laughing at you, right?

As I said, nearly all the "popular posters" want everyone to dismiss the irrefutable evidence that wtc 7 was a controlled demolition and the subsequent conclusion that the last sixteen years and millions of deaths, were all needless and based on a lie.

Laugh it up buddy.
This is a very strange place indeed.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on September 21, 2017, 10:26:23 PM
Does anyone want to do the math of ratio between a 200 pound mass smashing a 2 ounce coke can?

Then we can determine the mass of the giant needed to crush building 7...

Audible lol.
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« Reply #5561 on: September 21, 2017, 10:30:44 PM »
D1 you should have Rayzor put in jail for shilling. Maybe they will cut his internet access.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5562 on: September 21, 2017, 10:35:18 PM »
Quote from: hoppy on September 21, 2017, 10:30:44 PM
D1 you should have Rayzor put in jail for shilling. Maybe they will cut his internet access.

Uh... do the mods really have that power?
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« Reply #5563 on: September 21, 2017, 10:38:55 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 10:27:09 PM
Audible lol.

Doesn't seeing the formation make a good quarterback?

I think the truth needs to be seen in this thread. Newton, common sense, engineering, physics etc cannot be debunked unless you use fairy tales such as giants....so expect ad hominems and gas lighting.

A very simple yet effective form of deflection.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5564 on: September 21, 2017, 10:40:21 PM »
It's not his opinion being attacked, it's his presentation.
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« Reply #5565 on: September 21, 2017, 10:43:44 PM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 21, 2017, 10:40:21 PM
It's not his opinion being attacked, it's his presentation.

It's foolish to judge information based on how much you like the presenter personally.

Shilling against an standing president of the United States has always been treason. Let that sink in.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5566 on: September 21, 2017, 10:45:35 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 10:43:44 PM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 21, 2017, 10:40:21 PM
It's not his opinion being attacked, it's his presentation.

It's foolish to judge information based on how much you like the presenter personally.

Shilling against an standing president of the United States has always been treason. Let that sink in.

Even when the presenter is chasing down random people and beating them over the head with his clip board?
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« Reply #5567 on: September 21, 2017, 11:14:26 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 10:43:44 PM

Shilling against an [sic] standing president of the United States has always been treason. Let that sink in.



No concept is within your grasp.
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« Reply #5568 on: September 21, 2017, 11:25:59 PM »
No one can touch this.

Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 07:35:45 PM
This post debunks your assertion that the entire core collapsed leaving the outside intact and then the "outer facade" collapsing at free-fall.

Please read it and respond to it.
Here.
Can you debunk this post? If it's as stupid and I'm as stupid as you all claim surely a smart guy like you can debunk it.

Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 05:46:15 PM
No the video of the collapse shows the failure of columns 79, 80, and 81, causing a partial building collapse. (The collapse of the east penthouse.)

None of these were core columns and then after a few seconds, the entire core failed nearly simultaneously causing a 2.25 second symmetrical free-fall of the entire bulding. Remeber the "outer facade" had 18 structural support columns making any natural free-fall impossible.

@Rayzor.
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You still haven't addressed your post trying to debunk Newton. Do you stand by it?

You seriously think I'm trying to debunk Newton?

I do, yes.

See.
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Quote from: disputeone on September 19, 2017, 09:50:33 PM
We'll soon see about that.

Yes,  Hulsey's  simultaneous collapse theory.   What a joke.

In order for the building to collapse at free-fall the entire core had to fail nearly simultaneously. Structural resistance slows fall acceleration. If you don't like it take it up with Newton, not me.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Newt.html

Ah, I see where you went wrong,  you forgot that the center had already collapsed / was collapsing BEFORE the facade came down.  I really can't keep holding you hand while you work through these things, you have to start to think for yourself if you are going to be a good anon campaigner.

Quote from: disputeone on September 20, 2017, 04:10:35 AM
Thats not true that's the conclusions of the fraudulent NIST report. That is merely the lie we were sold.

Furthermore, even if the entire inner core collapsed leaving the entire "facade" intact (which is impossible because of the cross bracing) there were still 18 support columns around the exterior.



A free fall collapse even under your fairytale conditions is still impossible without a controlled demolition. You are trying to debunk Newton.

Q.E.D.

Edit.
Video evidence.
[Youtube][/youtube]

For reference Rayzor believes this debunks it. Notice he says it's "been debunked" since his first post on the topic.

Quote from: Rayzor on February 13, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
We already debunked that free-fall argument.   But just to recap,  how is it possible for the rooftop of a building to fall?   Doesn't the fact that it collapsed at all mean that the building structure supporting the roof is collapsing,    why would you be surprised that it fell at a free fall rate.   At least until it hit ground and other debris piled up,   The graph in the NIST shows it quite clearly.   

You say you work in the industry,  you mean the building industry?   In what capacity?

What caused the core to collapse at free-fall

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Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 07:35:45 PM

What caused the core to collapse at free-fall



Opposed to hovering in place?

Watch the video. When the west penthouse fails the building immediately collapses.

Video evidence.
[Youtube][/youtube]

Please respond to my post.

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When the west penthouse fails the building immediately collapses.

Gee, I wonder what was holding up the penthouse?

The core. Therefore as soon as the core failed the building came down. Hulsey is right.
Video evidence.
[Youtube][/youtube]
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« Reply #5570 on: September 22, 2017, 12:38:06 AM »
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Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 10:43:44 PM

Shilling against an [sic] standing president of the United States has always been treason. Let that sink in.



No concept is within your grasp.

**sigh** such ignorance in one so young,  truly breathtaking in his stupidity.     I'm hesitant to try and enlighten him,  should I try or not?   

Nah,  fuck the little creep.
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« Reply #5571 on: September 22, 2017, 12:56:45 AM »
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Quote from: disputeone on September 21, 2017, 10:27:09 PM
Audible lol.

Doesn't seeing the formation make a good quarterback?

I think the truth needs to be seen in this thread. Newton, common sense, engineering, physics etc cannot be debunked unless you use fairy tales such as giants....so expect ad hominems and gas lighting.

A very simple yet effective form of deflection.

Check the thread title,  for a clue. 

The truth about 9/11 conspiracy nutters.  is that they are paranoid delusional whack jobs.   Totally beyond the reach of logic and reason.


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5572 on: September 22, 2017, 01:01:43 AM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 22, 2017, 12:56:45 AM
Check the thread title,  for a clue. 

The truth about 9/11 conspiracy nutters.  is that they are paranoid delusional whack jobs.   Totally beyond the reach of logic and reason.

Wow an ad hominem...I am Jack's complete lack of surprise...

Do you have anything else?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5573 on: September 22, 2017, 01:05:23 AM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on September 22, 2017, 01:01:43 AM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 22, 2017, 12:56:45 AM
Check the thread title,  for a clue. 

The truth about 9/11 conspiracy nutters.  is that they are paranoid delusional whack jobs.   Totally beyond the reach of logic and reason.

Wow an ad hominem...I am Jack's complete lack of surprise...

Do you have anything else?

Let's see how honest you really are.   Just answer 2 simple questions.

1.  Why bother to demolish a building that was about to collapse?   All they had to do was wait.
2.  Why wait 7 hours before the demolition.

I've never gotten honest answers to either question.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5574 on: September 22, 2017, 01:06:05 AM »
[Youtube][/youtube]
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5575 on: September 22, 2017, 01:09:05 AM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 22, 2017, 12:56:45 AM


Check the thread title,  for a clue. 

The truth about 9/11 conspiracy nutters.  is that they are paranoid delusional whack jobs.   Totally beyond the reach of logic and reason.
Are you basically saying that none of it should ever be questioned if it goes way beyond coincidence?
Is your default mindset to simply use CONSPIRACY NUTTERS for those that question official lines?
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« Reply #5576 on: September 22, 2017, 01:12:23 AM »
It's his job.

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Psychological operations (PSYOP) are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.

The purpose of United States psychological operations is to induce or reinforce behavior favorable to U.S. objectives. They are an important part of the range of diplomatic, informational, military and economic activities available to the U.S. They can be utilized during both peacetime and conflict. There are three main types: strategic, operational and tactical. Strategic PSYOP include informational activities conducted by the U.S. government agencies outside of the military arena, though many utilize Department of Defense (DOD) assets. Operational PSYOP are conducted across the range of military operations, including during peacetime, in a defined operational area to promote the effectiveness of the joint force commander's (JFC) campaigns and strategies. TacticalPSYOP are conducted in the area assigned to a tactical commander across the range of military operations to support the tactical mission against opposing forces.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5577 on: September 22, 2017, 01:16:27 AM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 22, 2017, 01:05:23 AM

1.  Why bother to demolish a building that was about to collapse?   All they had to do was wait.
Who knew the building was about to collapse?

Quote from: Rayzor on September 22, 2017, 01:05:23 AM
2.  Why wait 7 hours before the demolition.
Think what was inside of that building.
Now imagine how suspicious it would have been if that building (WTC7) fell is short order like the towers CD collapses.
The plane explanation could not be used on WTC7 so a much longer wait would have been more beneficial to carry off to the public about fire and debris strikes bringing that building down at near free fall speed and into it's own basement.


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« Reply #5578 on: September 22, 2017, 01:17:02 AM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 17, 2017, 07:09:34 PM
Those questions do not debunk physics. We are quite good at prediciting mechanical processes now. Newton showed us how.

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1.  Why bother demolishing a building that was already in danger of collapsing?

Destroy evidence linking the CIA and Mossad to 9/11.

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2.  Why wait 7 hours before demolition?

Same reason it wasn't mentioned on the official commission report. Try and limit peoples knowlege of wtc 7s collapse.

Rayzor this is where we left your questions.
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« Reply #5579 on: September 22, 2017, 01:18:19 AM »
Quote from: sceptimatic on September 22, 2017, 01:09:05 AM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 22, 2017, 12:56:45 AM


Check the thread title,  for a clue. 

The truth about 9/11 conspiracy nutters.  is that they are paranoid delusional whack jobs.   Totally beyond the reach of logic and reason.
Are you basically saying that none of it should ever be questioned if it goes way beyond coincidence?
Is your default mindset to simply use CONSPIRACY NUTTERS for those that question official lines?

Not at all,  I believe you should question everything,  it's when a conspiracy makes no sense, and has no real supporting evidence, that continued belief descends into paranoid delusions.

Don't misunderstand me,  conspiracies are real,  9/11 was a conspiracy by islamic terrorists.  The US intelligence community conspired to cover up their failure to act on the information they had prior to 9/11. 

A conspiracy to demolish WTC7 makes no sense on any level.
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