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What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
Denspressure
1 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

911 What is the truth?

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disputeone

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5190 on: September 18, 2017, 08:02:58 PM »
You too mate.

A single column failure won't lead to the symmetrical 2.25 second free fall of the entire building.
My farts smell like oregano. Therefore, broccoli comes from plants.

Sadly, for those following along, this has been the best attempt so far to "debunk" this argument.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5191 on: September 18, 2017, 08:22:59 PM »
Totes you're smart enough to use your own brain and come to your own conclusions. It seems like you prefer to wait and be told what and how to think about things.

I did get frustrated with you because I thought we could have an honest debate / discussion on this topic but you're too invested in the official story.

I can explain in my own words how and why a failure at column 79 couldn't have caused the collapse we saw. I don't need anyones report or FEA.

I'm happy to discuss it with anyone but no one wants to talk about it.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5192 on: September 19, 2017, 01:11:43 AM »
Paste dump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
>A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (commonly known as the "Clean Break" report) is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel.[1] The report explained a new approach to solving Israel's security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on "Western values." It has since been criticized for advocating an aggressive new policy including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting its possession of "weapons of mass destruction".
>1996

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>"If you take out Saddam, Saddam's regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region." -- Netanyahu, 2002[/youtube]

>Netanyahu Says 9/11 Terror Attacks Good for Israel
http://haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044

http://www.haaretz.com/sharon-says-u-s-should-also-disarm-iran-libya-and-syria-1.18707
>Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said yesterday that Iran, Libya and Syria should be stripped of weapons of mass destruction after Iraq. "These are irresponsible states, which must be disarmed of weapons mass destruction, and a successful American move in Iraq as a model will make that easier to achieve," Sharon said to a visiting delegation of American congressmen.

http://www.iraqwatch.org/perspectives/rumsfeld-openletter.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act
>Iraq Liberation Act was signed by Bill Clinton in 1998 to topple Saddam Hussein, as a response to pressure and open letter by Jewish neocons and Israel

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>General Wesley Clark, NATO General: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years, before 9/11
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5193 on: September 19, 2017, 01:13:44 AM »
>Mossad agents caught recording the first plane striking the tower then dancing and celebrating the attack. later arrested in a van with traces of explosives
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>Israel celebrates successful 9/11 operation on Purim holiday
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/01/291462/israel-celebrates-successful-911attacks/

>9-11 Mossad 'Mural Van' - NYPD Radio Transmission
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>9-11 Cop Who Arrested Dancing Israelis Speaks
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>The Zionist Jews Who Were Caught Celebrating 911 Attacks As While Occuring Are Caught Confessing 911 On Israeli TV
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>Netanyahu Bragged He Has America Wrapped Around His Finge
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/tricky-bibi-1.302053


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/world/middleeast/kerry-reminds-congress-netanyahu-advised-us-to-invade-iraq.html?_r=0
>Kerry Reminds Congress Netanyahu Advised U.S. to Invade Iraq
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5194 on: September 19, 2017, 01:15:42 AM »
ABC News - Israelis Detained on 9/11 Spies
>http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885

FBI report - Israelis caught with bombs on 9/11
>http://www.scribd.com/collections/4010452/9-11-The-Dancing-Israelis-FBI-report

Christopher Bollyn 2014 (60 min lecture)
“Israel Is Behind the 9/11 Attacks and Iraq Wars”
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FOX News - The Israeli 9/11 Connection ep.1
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RT News and Press TV journalist Ryan Dawson - War By Deception 2013
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BBC journalist Alan Hart on Israel and 9/11
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RT News - Was 9/11 an Inside Job
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As I said.
We really do know.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5195 on: September 19, 2017, 02:32:39 AM »
Huh,   I was expecting Leroy Hulsley and his all singing and dancing engineers and architects for 9/11 truth,  what do i get?   Faked articles and dancing israelis.   Cheapskate.

Keep up the push for world peace and harmony,  can't trust those jews eh?

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5196 on: September 19, 2017, 03:35:07 AM »
You can't trust Mossad, or the CIA. I think you know they're pretty much the same thing. Nothing against Jews in general, they're just people.

Reminder you still refuse to acknowlege this.

Rayzor, drop the ad hominems. People will start to wonder why you won't respond to this post. It's objectively true. Why aren't you allowed to admit it?

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.


Also this is where I'm happy to leave Hulseys report for now.

How about this then? I wont cite Hulseys report until it is released and peer-reviewed and you guys can't cite the NIST report until it is released and peer reviewed?

Deal?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5197 on: September 19, 2017, 03:51:40 AM »
How can anyone, even for a second, not think you are an intelligence asset when you won't admit the official NIST inputs are classified in the interests of ""public safety.""?

Some people might notice.

Just for fun and interest.
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Also gives you the chance to call me names some more instead of ""debate.""

You know the people you serve don't care about you Rayzor, they don't want what's best for you, or any of us.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5198 on: September 19, 2017, 04:11:53 AM »
You know the people you serve don't care about you Rayzor, they don't want what's best for you, or any of us.

LOL at the moment she's got the flue,  so you might be right for once. 

Reminder:  You are still posting the same debunked crap.  Try to get something original, preferably not from a fake source.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5199 on: September 19, 2017, 04:14:03 AM »
Are you claiming this document is a fake?



And this has been debunked?

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Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5200 on: September 19, 2017, 04:15:50 AM »
Are you claiming this document is a fake?


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No, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it before.   Have you posted it previously?

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5201 on: September 19, 2017, 04:17:31 AM »
Because you have still not acknowledged this.

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.

When you acknowledge this is the case I will stop pressing you.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5202 on: September 19, 2017, 04:23:38 AM »
Because you have still not acknowledged this.

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.

When you acknowledge this is the case I will stop pressing you.

Here you go,  but I'm sure I've posted this before.     

https://www.nist.gov/publications/final-report-collapse-world-trade-center-building-7-federal-building-and-fire-safety-0?pub_id=861610

Maybe this time you'll actually read it.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5203 on: September 19, 2017, 04:26:25 AM »
That's over 9000 keks.
They are not the inputs son.

You aren't allowed to admit it, are you?Don't they have protocol on this or something? Surely when you're in a corner they give you a tiny bit of wiggle room? I noticed I can chase you away with that simple quote every time.

On the topic of the people you serve.

Check out all the cool shit we could have and do if we just stood up to our corrupt goverments. There's no limits on humanity except the ones we place on ourselves and others.
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This is simply declassified no "conspiracy" involved. It's quite old news now.

Like we've had that since '94 man, Everyone thinks the em drive was so cool. We've had this and more for so long. It's kept locked away in black budget alphabet soup programs to use as weapons against humanity instead of the betterment. We could be so much more if we just opened our eyes to the groups and systems controlling us.

All we have ever wanted is transparency and a free exchange of information and ideas.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5204 on: September 19, 2017, 04:30:13 AM »
I think Leroy Hulsey just shot himself in the foot.

Quote from: http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
The findings thus far are that fire did not bring down this building. Building failure simulations show that, to match observation, the entire inner core of this building failed nearly simultaneously.

The observations are that inner core didn't fail simultaneously, it failed progressively left to right,  so if his failure simulation shows simultaneous failure of the inner core. He's wrong.

Whoops.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5205 on: September 19, 2017, 04:32:31 AM »
That's over 9000 keks.
They are not the inputs son.

bzzzt.  wrong,  please name any assumptions or inputs  that were not included and discussed in the project report I linked to.


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5206 on: September 19, 2017, 04:35:19 AM »
The entire remaining core numnuts.

Even the NIST """model""" shows a large section of the core intact as the roofline first starts to collapse.

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http://rethink911.org/news/new-poll-finds-most-americans-open-to-alternative-911-theories/

http://reinvestigate911.org/content/911-opinion-poll-majority-doubt-official-911-story

You really are a terrible shill.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5207 on: September 19, 2017, 04:36:18 AM »
That's over 9000 keks.
They are not the inputs son.

bzzzt.  wrong,  please name any assumptions or inputs  that were not included and discussed in the project report I linked to.

These ones.



You really are a terrible shill.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5208 on: September 19, 2017, 04:44:14 AM »
The entire remaining core numnuts.

Even the NIST """model""" shows a large section of the core intact as the roofline first starts to collapse.

LOL,  FFS, do you realise you just agreed with what I'm saying and contradicted the Leroy Hulsey report?

Quote from: Leroy Hulsey
Building failure simulations show that, to match observation, the entire inner core of this building failed nearly simultaneously

You really are a terrible shill.
Maybe I'm not a shill.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5209 on: September 19, 2017, 04:50:22 AM »
The entire remaining core numnuts.

Even the NIST """model""" shows a large section of the core intact as the roofline first starts to collapse.

LOL,  FFS, do you realise you just agreed with what I'm saying and contradicted the Leroy Hulsey report?

In order for a 2.25 second period of symmetrical free-fall. The building had to have no structural support, following this logic it had to have no structural support columns. Therefore, just prior to the period of freefall nearly all the core columns failed simultaneously.

If this was not the case the collapse of wtc 7 might have looked something like this? Assymmetrical and without a period of freefall, hmm?
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You are trying to sell people a fairy tale with the only consolation being big brother will take care of them. That is a disgusting and unforgivable lie.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5210 on: September 19, 2017, 05:00:04 AM »
The entire remaining core numnuts.

Even the NIST """model""" shows a large section of the core intact as the roofline first starts to collapse.

LOL,  FFS, do you realise you just agreed with what I'm saying and contradicted the Leroy Hulsey report?

In order for a 2.25 second period of symmetrical free-fall. The building had to have no structural support, following this logic it had to have no structural support columns. Therefore, just prior to the period of freefall nearly all the core columns failed simultaneously.

That's my point, the observations show clearly progressive left to right collapse,  not simultaneous.

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Actually that simulation matches the video evidence pretty well.  I think there was one from a different angle that is more closely aligned with the video viewpoint.

You are trying to sell people a fairy tale with the only consolation being big brother will take care of them. That is a disgusting and unforgivable lie.

Are you trying to shift the blame for one of the most evil crimes of the century away from the islamic terrorists, onto innocent people.
That's the sickest thing I've ever heard of, and you should be ashamed to be associated with such an evil corrosive movement.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5211 on: September 19, 2017, 05:04:37 AM »
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Actually that simulation matches the video evidence pretty well.  I think there was one from a different angle that is more closely aligned with the video viewpoint.

That's just a lie.

Just in case anyone isn't totally sure of what Rayzor is by now.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5212 on: September 19, 2017, 05:15:33 AM »
Here you go


Try to catch up.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5213 on: September 19, 2017, 05:20:10 AM »
Here you go


Try to catch up.

That's not the NIST model Rayzor. You are lying about the NIST model looking anything like what happened. I don't like lies. They didn't even let us see the actual collapse in their model because it would have looked nothing like what happened even with their classified inputs.

You are a terrible shill.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5214 on: September 19, 2017, 05:21:27 AM »
The entire remaining core numnuts.

Even the NIST """model""" shows a large section of the core intact as the roofline first starts to collapse.

LOL,  FFS, do you realise you just agreed with what I'm saying and contradicted the Leroy Hulsey report?

In order for a 2.25 second period of symmetrical free-fall. The building had to have no structural support, following this logic it had to have no structural support columns. Therefore, just prior to the period of freefall nearly all the core columns failed simultaneously.

That's my point, the observations show clearly progressive left to right collapse,  not simultaneous.

Yes.
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the remaining core columns numnuts.

Wtc 7 had at least 18 vertical support columns remaining at the point of the roof line collapse. That's just an unpleasant fact.




You are trying to sell people a fairy tale with the only consolation being big brother will take care of them. That is a disgusting and unforgivable lie.
Are you trying to shift the blame for one of the most evil crimes of the century away from the islamic terrorists, onto the people who actually committed them?
That's the sickest thing I've ever heard of, and you should be ashamed to be associated with such an evil corrosive movement.

Yes.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5215 on: September 19, 2017, 05:24:22 AM »
Here you go


Try to catch up.

That's not the NIST model Rayzor. You are lying about the NIST model looking anything like what happened. I don't like lies. They didn't even let us see the actual collapse in their model because it would have looked nothing like what happened even with their classified inputs.

You are a terrible shill.

That is in fact the NIST model,  watch 4:21 onwards,  I've posted that NIST simulation before so it should be nothing new to a diligent researcher like yourself.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5216 on: September 19, 2017, 05:28:14 AM »
Let's just consider the NIST model.
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Compared to reality.
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Do you stand by your claim that the NIST model looks like the collapse?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5217 on: September 19, 2017, 05:33:53 AM »
I don't like lies.

If I wanted a forum signature, I think that could be it.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5218 on: September 19, 2017, 05:40:02 AM »
Do you stand by your claim that the NIST model looks like the collapse?

Yes,  skip to 1:30 or thereabouts.



The video simulation you keep posting doesn't continue to the next stage,  but is accurate as far as it goes in the timeline.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5219 on: September 19, 2017, 05:43:37 AM »
Let me repeat..

I think Leroy Hulsey just shot himself in the foot.

Quote from: http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
The findings thus far are that fire did not bring down this building. Building failure simulations show that, to match observation, the entire inner core of this building failed nearly simultaneously.

The observations are that inner core didn't fail simultaneously, it failed progressively left to right,  so if his failure simulation shows simultaneous failure of the inner core. He's wrong.

Whoops.
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.