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What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
Denspressure
1 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5160 on: September 18, 2017, 05:47:50 AM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 17, 2017, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: sokarul on September 17, 2017, 10:33:59 PM
Where was the sound of explosives?

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Quote from: sokarul on September 17, 2017, 10:33:59 PM
Who planted them and when?


http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/AceElevator/

Quote from: sokarul on September 17, 2017, 10:33:59 PM
Why did the inside collapse first?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition

You have to destroy the core first to demolish a building.

Edit for sokarul.
Wait, you really think people were next to WTC7 7 hours after the towers fell to make phone calls?

As for the explosive leak, I expected actual evidence. I was disappointed.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5161 on: September 18, 2017, 04:55:30 PM »
Friendly reminder that the full Hulsey report hasn't been released OR peer reviewed yet. Only progress reports have been made.

Touting the veracity of a report that has yet to be released or peer reviewed is strong evidence of bias.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5162 on: September 18, 2017, 06:10:53 PM »
Quote from: TotesReptilian on September 18, 2017, 04:55:30 PM
Friendly reminder that the full Hulsey report hasn't been released OR peer reviewed yet. Only progress reports have been made.

Touting the veracity of a report that has yet to be released or peer reviewed is strong evidence of bias.

Friendly reminder the NIST report was never released, never peer reviewed and is still classified in the interest of public safety.

Quote from: sokarul on September 18, 2017, 05:47:50 AM
Wait, you really think people were next to WTC7 7 hours after the towers fell to make phone calls?

The firemen were. That's the video I presented.

Too spicy not to share.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5163 on: September 18, 2017, 06:30:08 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 06:10:53 PM
Quote from: TotesReptilian on September 18, 2017, 04:55:30 PM
Friendly reminder that the full Hulsey report hasn't been released OR peer reviewed yet. Only progress reports have been made.

Touting the veracity of a report that has yet to be released or peer reviewed is strong evidence of bias.

Friendly reminder the NIST report was never released and is still classified in the interest of public safety.

As usual, you are being misleading. The report was released. The model was not (as far as I know).

This is beside the point though. Hulsey has not released his model or final report. Once it is released, we can discuss it. But for now, your claims about the veracity of an unreleased report is nothing but bullshit.

Please stop with the bullshit. It makes you look extremely hypocritical, considering your constant claims of promoting truth and honesty.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5164 on: September 18, 2017, 06:31:34 PM »
Are you able to admit this Totes?

Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 12:24:37 AM
Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.


Why does the NIST model hold any weight?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5165 on: September 18, 2017, 06:38:36 PM »
How the hell do they expect to people to take serious a report without the modelling that was used to draw the conclusions. Sure, release the report. Great! But without the modelling, what's to say the report is nothing more than creative word play? No one can peer review or test it. You just have to take 'their word' for it? Give me a break.

People have every right to question and doubt the report especially when it lacks critical elements designed to understand it.

You also have to wonder why such important information is being supressed. Is it for 'public interest' or the governments?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5166 on: September 18, 2017, 06:47:27 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 06:31:34 PM
Are you able to admit this Totes?

Sure. See my previous post, where I do just that. (Edit: Also, for the love of all that is holy, please please please actually read posts in their entirety before responding to them.)

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Why does the NIST model hold any weight?

It doesn't have to hold any weight. Your claims are:

1. The NIST report is wrong.
2. It is wrong intentionally as part of a criminal coverup.

Maybe the NIST report is wrong, maybe it isn't. I don't have access to the model, so I can't tell you if it is wrong or not.
Maybe the Hulsey report is wrong, maybe it isn't. I don't have access to the model, so I can't tell you if it is wrong or not.
And even if the NIST report is indeed wrong, that doesn't mean it is part of an intentional coverup. FEA is a lot better now than it was 10+ years ago.

Your insistence that the Hulsey report is right and the NIST report is wrong is not based on an analysis of the respective models. Stop being a blowhard.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5167 on: September 18, 2017, 06:54:31 PM »
NIST deliberately left out key structural components and fireproofing. They ended their model at the point that it would become an apparent forgery. We don't have access to the NIST inputs to test the conclusions in their model they try to push as "truth."
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5168 on: September 18, 2017, 06:55:16 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 18, 2017, 06:38:36 PM
How the hell do they expect to people to take serious a report without the modelling that was used to draw the conclusions. Sure, release the report. Great! But without the modelling, what's to say the report is nothing more than creative word play? No one can peer review or test it. You just have to take 'their word' for it? Give me a break.

People have every right to question and doubt the report especially when it lacks critical elements designed to understand it.

You also have to wonder why such important information is being supressed. Is it for 'public interest' or the governments?

This. All we've ever wanted was transparency.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5169 on: September 18, 2017, 06:56:16 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
NIST deliberately left out key structural components and fireproofing. They ended their model at the point that it would become an apparent forgery. We don't have access to the NIST inputs to test the conclusions in their model they try to push as "truth."

Whatever. This has nothing to do with my previous posts. My point stands. Stop spreading bullshit.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5170 on: September 18, 2017, 07:01:54 PM »
Quote from: TotesReptilian on September 18, 2017, 06:56:16 PM
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
NIST deliberately left out key structural components and fireproofing. They ended their model at the point that it would become an apparent forgery. We don't have access to the NIST inputs to test the conclusions in their model they try to push as "truth."

Whatever. This has nothing to do with my previous posts. My point stands. Stop spreading bullshit.

Yes it does. Also your point was debunked. Already Hulseys report has more scientific validity than the NIST report. I'm sorry about all of this. It's not my fault 9/11 was an inside job.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5171 on: September 18, 2017, 07:02:28 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 06:10:53 PM
Quote from: TotesReptilian on September 18, 2017, 04:55:30 PM
Friendly reminder that the full Hulsey report hasn't been released OR peer reviewed yet. Only progress reports have been made.

Touting the veracity of a report that has yet to be released or peer reviewed is strong evidence of bias.

Friendly reminder the NIST report was never released, never peer reviewed and is still classified in the interest of public safety.

Quote from: sokarul on September 18, 2017, 05:47:50 AM
Wait, you really think people were next to WTC7 7 hours after the towers fell to make phone calls?

The firemen were. That's the video I presented.
You presented a video of a sound while a guy is on a pay phone saying he is ok. SO he is a block from where the towers fell, 7 hours later?  Get real. You just aren't smart enough to see the video is mislabeled.

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Too spicy not to share.

Really? Do you want to get whooped again? Steel doesn't need to melt to lose structural support.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5172 on: September 18, 2017, 07:05:13 PM »
Steel beams did melt on 9/11. That's just an unpleasant fact.



Again, I am sorry about this.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5173 on: September 18, 2017, 07:06:40 PM »
So what is your point other than to not actually address my post?
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« Reply #5174 on: September 18, 2017, 07:10:12 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on September 18, 2017, 07:06:40 PM
So what is your point other than to not actually address my post?

My point is jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. Therefore something else did.



I can't see a point you've made tbth.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5175 on: September 18, 2017, 07:10:53 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:01:54 PM
Already Hulseys report has more scientific validity than the NIST report. I'm sorry about all of this. It's not my fault 9/11 was an inside job.

This conclusion is premature, since the Hulsey report hasn't even been released yet. Stop spreading bullshit.
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« Reply #5176 on: September 18, 2017, 07:11:55 PM »
Quote from: TotesReptilian on September 18, 2017, 07:10:53 PM
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:01:54 PM
Already Hulseys report has more scientific validity than the NIST report. I'm sorry about all of this. It's not my fault 9/11 was an inside job.

This conclusion is premature, since the Hulsey report hasn't even been released yet. Stop spreading bullshit.

The NIST reports model and inputs are classified. It has all the scientific validity of a rock.
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« Reply #5177 on: September 18, 2017, 07:13:13 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: sokarul on September 18, 2017, 07:06:40 PM
So what is your point other than to not actually address my post?

My point is jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. Therefore something else did.



I can't see a point you've made tbth.

Honestly, this is why I left this thread for so long. You rarely seem to catch the point of any post. It's like arguing with a random word generator.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5178 on: September 18, 2017, 07:14:39 PM »
How did the steel melt?

You want me to stop posting things you can't debunk. You all do.
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« Reply #5179 on: September 18, 2017, 07:21:26 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:14:39 PM
How did the steel melt?

You want me to stop posting things you can't debunk. You all do.

I have addressed that in the past, but I don't feel like revisiting it. Why are you trying to change the subject?
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« Reply #5180 on: September 18, 2017, 07:23:26 PM »
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How did the steel melt?

You want me to stop posting things you can't debunk. You all do.

I have addressed that in the past, but I don't feel like revisiting it. Why are you trying to change the subject?

It's not Aluminum. Aluminium glows silver in direct sunlight. Contaminated aluminium isn't that uniform color.

The only hypothesis that matches observation is that it's molten steel.

Considering the fires didn't burn hot enough to melt steel. What do you think caused the steel to melt?

As for changing the subject. The NIST report is unscientific by definition. I'm sorry about this.
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« Reply #5181 on: September 18, 2017, 07:24:17 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:23:26 PM
Quote from: TotesReptilian on September 18, 2017, 07:21:26 PM
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:14:39 PM
How did the steel melt?

You want me to stop posting things you can't debunk. You all do.

I have addressed that in the past, but I don't feel like revisiting it. Why are you trying to change the subject?

It's not aluminum. Aluminium glows silver in direct sunlight. Contaminated aluminium isn't that uniform color.

The only hypothesis that matches observation is that it's molten steel.

Considering the fires didn't burn hot enough to melt steel. What do you think caused the steel to melt?

Why are you trying to change the subject?
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« Reply #5182 on: September 18, 2017, 07:26:30 PM »
Ok lets talk about the NIST report.

How can a report be scientifically valid when the model they used to draw conclusions is classified?
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« Reply #5183 on: September 18, 2017, 07:27:47 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:26:30 PM
Ok lets talk about the NIST report.

How can a report be scientifically valid when the model they used to draw conclusions is classified?

Nice try, but no, that is still a subject change. Why are you trying to change the subject?
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« Reply #5184 on: September 18, 2017, 07:29:09 PM »
Quote from: TotesReptilian on September 18, 2017, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:26:30 PM
Ok lets talk about the NIST report.

How can a report be scientifically valid when the model they used to draw conclusions is classified?

Nice try, but no, that is still a subject change. Why are you trying to change the subject?

Tell me what you feel comfortable talking about and I'll work with you mate.
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« Reply #5185 on: September 18, 2017, 07:35:51 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:29:09 PM
Quote from: TotesReptilian on September 18, 2017, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:26:30 PM
Ok lets talk about the NIST report.

How can a report be scientifically valid when the model they used to draw conclusions is classified?

Nice try, but no, that is still a subject change. Why are you trying to change the subject?

Tell me what you feel comfortable talking about and I'll work with you mate.

Excellent. My point is simple.

1. The Hulsey report has not been released. The model has not been released. It has not been peer reviewed.
2. The NIST model has not been released. It has not been peer reviewed.

Claiming that the Hulsey report disproves the NIST report is absurd. You have no way of knowing that. It hasn't even been released. Stop spreading bullshit.

Now it is your turn to say:

"Ok. Sorry. I'll stop spreading bullshit."

Then I'll say:

"Excellent. Have a nice day."
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« Reply #5186 on: September 18, 2017, 07:38:18 PM »
I'm not spreading bullshit. I don't need Hulseys report to prove wtc 7 didn't collapse due to fire. A single column failure won't lead to the symmetrical 2.25 second free fall of the entire building.

Hulseys report is just the icing on the cake.

How about this then? I wont cite Hulseys report until it is released and peer-reviewed and you guys can't cite the NIST report until it is released and peer reviewed?

Deal?
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« Reply #5187 on: September 18, 2017, 07:54:55 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:38:18 PM
I'm not spreading bullshit. I don't need Hulseys report to prove wtc 7 didn't collapse due to fire. A single column failure won't lead to the symmetrical 2.25 second free fall of the entire building.

Hulseys report is just the icing on the cake.

Once again, you are missing the point. Here is a metaphor to help you understand:

Pretend I am trying to convince you that broccoli comes from a plant. I present two arguments to back up this statement:

1. Broccoli is green. Plants are green. Therefore, broccoli comes from plants. (A weak argument, but somewhat valid.)
2. My farts smell like oregano. Therefore, broccoli comes from plants.

The validity of argument 1 doesn't lessen the absurdity of argument 2.

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How about this then? I wont cite Hulseys report until it is released and peer-reviewed and you guys can't cite the NIST report until it is released and peer reviewed?

Deal?

You are the one making definitive claims that the NIST report is criminally wrong. I'm not sure how to discuss those claims without referring to the report in question. Just try to keep in mind the limitations of both the reports. Neither one disproves the other. Yet. I am interested in looking at the report when it comes out. But until then, stop spreading bullshit. It undermines your credibility.

Now it is your turn to say:

"Ok. Sorry. I'll stop spreading bullshit."

Then I'll say:

"Excellent. Have a nice day."
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5188 on: September 18, 2017, 07:56:59 PM »
No. I'm not spreading bullshit. You are annoyed you can't debunk my posts so you want to get a small victory to convince yourself the 9/11 commission report is the truth. Seek comfort and blue pills elsewhere.

I can prove the NIST report on wtc 7 to be fraudulent without Hulseys report. I have in this thread.
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« Reply #5189 on: September 18, 2017, 08:02:18 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 18, 2017, 07:56:59 PM
No. I'm not spreading bullshit. You are annoyed you can't debunk my posts so you want to get a small victory to convince yourself the 9/11 commission report is the truth. Seek comfort and blue pills elsewhere.

I can prove the NIST report on wtc 7 to be fraudulent without Hulseys report. I have in this thread.

*whoooooosh*

Oh well, I tried. Have a nice day.
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