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What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
Denspressure
1 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

911 What is the truth?

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Rayzor

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5130 on: September 17, 2017, 07:33:53 PM »

If I was being paid per line, I'd probably make my posts longer,  maybe get into a cut and paste battle.

Lol.

Why is a classified, non peer reviewed studies conclusion worth more than a peer reviewed open studies conclusion.

Answer honestly, if you can.

The NIST report isn't classified,  never has been,  also it's been peer reviewed, and involved extensive public consultation and involvement,  so why would you choose a tinpot study by a little university over a comprehensive detailed report by a well funded and respected agency.


No comparison. 
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5131 on: September 17, 2017, 07:35:52 PM »
Secondly,  the NIST report wasn't classified,  never has been,  and quite the reverse.

The NIST report isn't classified,  never has been,  also it's been peer reviewed, and involved extensive public consultation and involvement.

Not this again. Here is the evidence you are ignoring / lying about. Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conslusions and model.



So one more time.

Why is a classified, non peer reviewed studies conclusion worth more than a peer reviewed open studies conclusion.

Answer honestly, if you can.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 07:38:49 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5132 on: September 17, 2017, 07:41:36 PM »
Secondly,  the NIST report wasn't classified,  never has been,  and quite the reverse.

The NIST report isn't classified,  never has been,  also it's been peer reviewed, and involved extensive public consultation and involvement.

Not this again. Here is the evidence you are ignoring / lying about. Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conslusions and model.

So one more time.

Why is a classified, non peer reviewed studies conclusion worth more than a peer reviewed open studies conclusion.

Answer honestly, if you can.

I've already answered twice,  my money is on NIST.   You choose to fill your head with lies and half truths that's fine by me.   Just be prepared to be disappointed.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5133 on: September 17, 2017, 07:42:39 PM »
Why did you lie about the classification of the inputs of the wtc 7 model?

Secondly,  the NIST report wasn't classified,  never has been,  and quite the reverse.

The NIST report isn't classified,  never has been,  also it's been peer reviewed, and involved extensive public consultation and involvement.

Not this again. Here is the evidence you are ignoring / lying about. Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conslusions and model.



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Definition.

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classified

adjective

1.

arranged in classes or categories.

"a classified catalogue of books"

2.

(of information or documents) designated as officially secret and accessible only to authorized people.

"classified information on nuclear experiments"
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 07:51:31 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5134 on: September 17, 2017, 07:57:31 PM »
Why did you lie about the classification of the inputs of the wtc 7 model?

Why do you think I lied?    I think your comprehension filter is broken.   The report is not classified,  never has been. 

They clearly state their investigation methodology, assumptions and evidence in their report.   Model inputs aren't required to understand or support their conclusions.

You appear to have a problem with comprehension in general. Not just reading.





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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5135 on: September 17, 2017, 07:58:54 PM »
Why did you lie about the classification of the inputs of the wtc 7 model?

Why do you think I lied?

Here.


Secondly,  the NIST report wasn't classified,  never has been,  and quite the reverse.

The NIST report isn't classified,  never has been,  also it's been peer reviewed, and involved extensive public consultation and involvement.



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classified

adjective

1.

arranged in classes or categories.

"a classified catalogue of books"

2.

(of information or documents) designated as officially secret and accessible only to authorized people.

"classified information on nuclear experiments"
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5136 on: September 17, 2017, 08:05:41 PM »
Ok, so you just proved to everyone don't understand the difference between a report and computer model inputs.   I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your lack of comprehension.

Since you are so fond of video's



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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5137 on: September 17, 2017, 08:06:27 PM »
Model inputs aren't required to understand or support their conclusions. (Made in their model)

That's just wrong Rayzor and I think you know. It would be the same as Einstein not giving us the maths behind GR and telling us to just believe it.

Now.

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conslusions made from the official model.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 08:08:56 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5138 on: September 17, 2017, 08:14:04 PM »
Model inputs aren't required to understand or support their conclusions. (Made in their model)

That's just wrong Rayzor and I think you know. It would be the same as Einstein not giving us the maths behind GR and telling us to just believe it.

Now.

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conslusions made from the official model.

If I gave you the files and software what would you do with it?   Let's assume that their collapse simulation is in fact correct.  What model inputs would you look at and why?

They do in fact describe in detail, all their assumptions and modelling,  you just don't want to accept that your world view is wrong.   

I likened arguing with 9/11 conspiracy theorists to arguing with flat earthers,  no matter what you say or what evidence you show them,  nothing will ever convince them.

You are going to go bat shit crazy when Hulsey's report changes nothing.   Sorry, but you need to prepare to be disappointed.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5139 on: September 17, 2017, 08:16:45 PM »
I would dump the model inputs everywhere so all engineeranons could test the model. All we want is transparency it's all we've ever wanted.

If there was nothing to hide then why hide it?

I agree people who believe that all the core columns of wtc 7 failed simultaneously allowing a 2.25 second symmetrical free-fall are as stubborn as flat earthers.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 08:19:48 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5140 on: September 17, 2017, 08:18:15 PM »
I likened arguing with 9/11 conspiracy theorists to arguing with flat earthers,  no matter what you say or what evidence you show them,  nothing will ever convince them.

I already called you out for this. Honest posters see you don't have any other tricks. You can't debunk wtc 7 so you debunk the flat earth and claim it debunks wtc 7.

Also this, still. If you are allowed to.

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 08:27:22 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5141 on: September 17, 2017, 08:43:39 PM »
I likened arguing with 9/11 conspiracy theorists to arguing with flat earthers,  no matter what you say or what evidence you show them,  nothing will ever convince them.

I already called you out for this. Honest posters see you don't have any other tricks. You can't debunk wtc 7 so you debunk the flat earth and claim it debunks wtc 7.


Once again you display your lack of comprehension for all to see.   Debunking 9/11 has nothing whatsoever to do with flat earth.   I'm talking about the mindset  that's common to a lot of conspiracies. 

I've said it before, conspiracy theories are a mind trap,  once you fall for it, it's hard to escape.  You are a perfect example of a vulnerable mind that's fallen into the trap.  Your obsession with Anonymous is just another instance of the same weak minded gullibility.


Also this, still. If you are allowed to.

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model.

I don't need the inputs and neither does anyone else to understand the logic and methodology they used.   I wouldn't have the software to run the models even if I did.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5142 on: September 17, 2017, 08:45:21 PM »
Are you allowed to answer this?

It's objectively true. People can research this and find out the truth for themselves.

Are you allowed to answer?

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.




You are going to go bat shit crazy when Hulsey's report changes nothing.   Sorry, but you need to prepare to be disappointed.

Lets both prepare. I feel like you have a lot more to lose than I do.

Anonymous was always 100% behind the truth movement. We always will be.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 08:54:09 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5143 on: September 17, 2017, 09:15:56 PM »
WTF is wrong with you D1? Rayzor is a confirmed shill, the general public is brainwashed to believe their TV and the government. Why do you make such a big deal about this? The new report won't change anybodies mind. Stop thinking that it will.
God is real.                                         
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5144 on: September 17, 2017, 09:18:24 PM »
Thanks hoppy. I'm glad you saw what happened. I agree. There's a few guys here I still want to help.

Sorry about causing so much drama on your site. Believing we can't change things won't help us make things better.

I saw this and was inspired.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5145 on: September 17, 2017, 09:21:31 PM »
If I leave this thread it's just gonna go back to a back and forth between Rayzor and Heiwa. I suppose it's not that bad. I really do think we're ready for the truth and ready to start fixing things.

http://rethink911.org/news/new-poll-finds-most-americans-open-to-alternative-911-theories/

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On the 12th anniversary of 9/11, a new national survey by the polling firm YouGov reveals that one in two Americans have doubts about the government’s account of 9/11, and after viewing video footage of World Trade Center Building 7’s collapse, 46% suspect that it was caused by a controlled demolition. Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon on 9/11.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5146 on: September 17, 2017, 10:33:59 PM »
Where was the sound of explosives? Who planted them and when? Why did the inside collapse first?

Once again, models are models, not experiments. 
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5147 on: September 17, 2017, 10:51:01 PM »
Where was the sound of explosives?

[youtube][/youtube]

[youtube][/youtube]

Who planted them and when?


http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/AceElevator/

Why did the inside collapse first?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition

You have to destroy the core first to demolish a building.

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« Last Edit: September 18, 2017, 12:26:21 AM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5148 on: September 18, 2017, 12:04:53 AM »
Where was the sound of explosives?

[youtube][/youtube]

[youtube][/youtube]

[youtube][/youtube]

Who planted them and when?


http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/AceElevator/

Why did the inside collapse first?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition

You have to destroy the core first to demolish a building.

You never heard of Edward Current it seems?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5149 on: September 18, 2017, 12:08:31 AM »
Are you allowed to answer or respond to this?

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5150 on: September 18, 2017, 12:09:09 AM »
Edward Current is a youtube prankster,  I notice you linking to his hoax videos.   This makes you look like a idiot....  oh wait.





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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5151 on: September 18, 2017, 12:10:05 AM »
Are you allowed to answer or respond to this?

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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disputeone

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5152 on: September 18, 2017, 12:14:52 AM »
Why do you think Rayzor won't respond to this post? Do you think he knows it hurts his argument so he's being dishonest? Or do you think he's not allowed to? Why do you guys think he wont acknowledge facts that don't suit his narrative?

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.

Seems like a genuine poster could just admit it. It's nearly like there's things he's not allowed to engage with?
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5153 on: September 18, 2017, 12:15:45 AM »
Are you allowed to answer or respond to this?

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.

LOL Fuck off, I already answered,  got any more hoax videos to post that got you sucked in, like the good little anon truther that you are.



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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5154 on: September 18, 2017, 12:16:56 AM »
You haven't responded or answered. You aren't allowed to, anyone who looks can see.

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.

Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5155 on: September 18, 2017, 12:20:54 AM »
You haven't responded or answered. You aren't allowed to, anyone who looks can see.

Haha your response tells me that you didn't know they were hoax videos, did you...   go on admit it,  I won't tell anyone. 

Now GTFO.  dipshit. go play with your anon buddies on 4chan.


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5156 on: September 18, 2017, 12:24:37 AM »
Is it the UFO video? Honestly I just grabbed it from youtube at work. My apologies sokarul please just consider just the top and bottom videos.

Rayzor, drop the ad hominems. People will start to wonder why you won't respond to this post. It's objectively true. Why aren't you allowed to admit it?

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5157 on: September 18, 2017, 12:39:23 AM »

I saw this and was inspired.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5158 on: September 18, 2017, 12:40:32 AM »
It's an inspirational quote.

Rayzor, drop the ad hominems. People will start to wonder why you won't respond to this post. It's objectively true. Why aren't you allowed to admit it?

Please admit the public doesn't have access to the inputs needed to test the NIST conclusions made from the official model. Alternatively please provide the NIST inputs for their FEA model.

« Last Edit: September 18, 2017, 01:16:17 AM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5159 on: September 18, 2017, 01:33:17 AM »
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.  I'm glad you decided to stay disputeone even after many posts saying or alluding to you leaving.
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