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What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
Denspressure
1 (4.3%)

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Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3000 on: March 28, 2017, 06:18:19 PM »
You cant touch my argument, since page one.

I will ask you one more time to prove you have the balls to call me a loony while looking me in the eyes.

Are you upset you answered a question honestly and it backfired?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3001 on: March 28, 2017, 06:20:42 PM »
Rayzor. Please stop dodging questions. I have answered all your questions honestly, why be dishonest?

Please answer.

Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 04:59:35 AM
Here is where we left it after I asked for half a page for you to answer a question.

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Here is where we left it.

Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 03:11:30 AM
You said.

There was negligible structural resistance for 2.25 seconds.

Shyam Sunder said.

Freefall is an object encountering no structural resistance. Wtc 7s collapse was slower than freefall because there was structural resistance in this particular case

Which one of you is correct?

You can't both be right.

Why not just debate honestly.

You have not addressed it you have been trying to distract and discredit.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3002 on: March 28, 2017, 06:36:16 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 06:18:19 PM
You cant touch my argument, since page one.

I will ask you one more time to prove you have the balls to call me a loony while looking me in the eyes.

Are you upset you answered a question honestly and it backfired?

Huh?   You mean your failed free-fall argument?   

Just because you can't think logically doesn't mean you have to go around beating people up.   That's  demented.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3003 on: March 28, 2017, 06:52:03 PM »
You haven't attempted to explain why the building provided no structural resistance for 2.25 seconds.

Would you like to try?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3004 on: March 28, 2017, 07:05:18 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on March 28, 2017, 06:36:16 PM
Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 06:18:19 PM
You cant touch my argument, since page one.

I will ask you one more time to prove you have the balls to call me a loony while looking me in the eyes.

Are you upset you answered a question honestly and it backfired?

Huh?

Just because I can't think logically doesn't mean I have to go around beating people up.   That's  demented.
Indeed it is.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3005 on: March 28, 2017, 07:09:26 PM »
Rayzor stop projecting, all I said was if you wanna call me a loony then you can do it to my face, like a man.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3006 on: March 28, 2017, 07:17:33 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 07:09:26 PM
Rayzor stop projecting, all I said was if you wanna call me a loony then you can do it to my face, like a man.
You're asking too much of the Rayzorshill... ;)
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3007 on: March 28, 2017, 08:00:21 PM »
Quote from: Gaia_Redonda on March 28, 2017, 07:17:33 PM
Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 07:09:26 PM
Rayzor stop projecting, all I said was if you wanna call me a loony then you can do it to my face, like a man.
You're asking too much of the Rayzorshill... ;)
if you wanna call Rayzor a Rayzorshill then do it to his face, like a ???.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3008 on: March 28, 2017, 08:08:22 PM »
I actually offered to meet him at the pub and buy him a beer.

He declined.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3009 on: March 28, 2017, 08:11:23 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 08:08:22 PM
I actually offered to meet him at the pub and buy him a beer.

He declined.

I have similar experiences with lying forumers. Bad for them.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3010 on: March 28, 2017, 08:20:12 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 08:08:22 PM
I actually offered to meet him at the pub and buy him a beer.

He declined.

Actually, he made fun of you for it...Then continued calling you names and personal attacks.

Violence should be the last resort...But sometimes, unfortunately, it's fitting.

Especially when someone is a nonstop liar, word twister, constant personal attacks, pretends to be your friend for a moment just to come around and call you names (back biter) and just all in all a shitty person...

At least someone needs to leave the salt shaker lid loose or something.

Oh, and welcome back Gaia....You know there are a few that believe you are an alter ego of legba...Welcome back one way or another  ;D :-*
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3011 on: March 28, 2017, 08:35:06 PM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on March 28, 2017, 08:20:12 PM
Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 08:08:22 PM
I actually offered to meet him at the pub and buy him a beer.

He declined.

Actually, he made fun of you for it...Then continued calling you names and personal attacks.

Violence should be the last resort...But sometimes, unfortunately, it's fitting.

Especially when someone is a nonstop liar, word twister, constant personal attacks, pretends to be your friend for a moment just to come around and call you names (back biter) and just all in all a shitty person...

Funny you should bring up the issue of personal attacks,   we have a crazy conspiracy theorist  who denies he has made up his mind after ten years of 911 research.   And then we have a fruitcake lift mechanic who wants to punch up people when they refuse to answer the same questions over and over.

Care to point out one instance where I have lied.    That should be interesting.


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3012 on: March 28, 2017, 08:45:48 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 06:52:03 PM
You haven't attempted to explain why the building provided no structural resistance for 2.25 seconds.

Would you like to try?

Enlighten me.

Taking shots at my mental health isn't an answer.

If you think I am as dumb as you claim I would recommend using the stairs always.

I didn't threaten to "beat you up" I offered to buy you a beer to get a measure of who we both are and what is appropriate to say.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3013 on: March 28, 2017, 08:47:13 PM »
Here's an example of a lie.

Quote from: Rayzor on March 28, 2017, 08:35:06 PM
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on March 28, 2017, 08:20:12 PM
Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 08:08:22 PM
I actually offered to meet him at the pub and buy him a beer.

He declined.

Actually, he made fun of you for it...Then continued calling you names and personal attacks.

Violence should be the last resort...But sometimes, unfortunately, it's fitting.

Especially when someone is a nonstop liar, word twister, constant personal attacks, pretends to be your friend for a moment just to come around and call you names (back biter) and just all in all a shitty person...

Funny you should bring up the issue of personal attacks,   we have a crazy conspiracy theorist  who denies he has made up his mind after ten years of 911 research.   And then we have a fruitcake lift mechanic who wants to punch up people when they refuse to answer the same questions over and over.

Care to point out one instance where I have lied.    That should be interesting.

Blatant lie.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3014 on: March 28, 2017, 09:09:31 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on March 28, 2017, 08:35:06 PM
you should bring up the issue of personal attacks,   we have a crazy conspiracy theorist  who denies he has made up his mind after ten years of 911 research.   And then we have a fruitcake lift mechanic who wants to punch up people when they refuse to answer the same questions over and over.

Care to point out one instance where I have lied.    That should be interesting.

Without even having to leave this page

Quote from: Rayzor on March 28, 2017, 06:12:26 PM
You have never attempted any kind of argument other than to offer your unsupported opinions on what didn't happen.  "it didn't happen like we saw" Is a typical BHS argument.

Even then you presented nothing of substance to back up those unqualified opinions.

None of the evidence I've presented has been addressed by you, or that free-fall looney dipstickone.    So either put up or GTFO.

That's a blatant lie plus ad hominems.

As for other examples, it's easy...Just go backwards page by page..You will see a minimum of one ad hominem, personal attack, lie, or word twist per page...However, on average you will see multiples...

Not to mention, the very post of yours I am replying to proved my point.

Sad.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3015 on: March 28, 2017, 10:15:45 PM »
One thing I can tell you for sure. Physically fighting over this would not change one thing. Rayzor might be able to beat Dispute up without half trying. That doesn't make his arguments any better nor does it make him any better of a person. Ditto if Dispute can easily beat up Rayzor. And what happened on 9/11 will still be exactly the same no matter who wins.

I don't even know who came up with this idea but it's silly.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3016 on: March 28, 2017, 10:23:29 PM »
Quote from: Boots on March 28, 2017, 10:15:45 PM
One thing I can tell you for sure. Physically fighting over this would not change one thing. Rayzor might be able to beat Dispute up without half trying. That doesn't make his arguments any better nor does it make him any better of a person. Ditto if Dispute can easily beat up Rayzor. And what happened on 9/11 will still be exactly the same no matter who wins.

I don't even know who came up with this idea but it's silly.

I agree boots, I never wanted to "beat anyone up."

I'm just sick of being called crazy, it really sets me off.

It's way easier to say shit things from behind a computer than to actually say it to someones face.

I get very sensitive over people gaslighting others.

You just don't know who that person is or what they are going through.

Here is the proper response to someone struggling with their mental health.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69823.msg1887365#msg1887365

Please note none of us rub his face in it.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3017 on: March 28, 2017, 10:39:46 PM »
If someone calls you crazy on this site just read my sig and laugh it off. You're no crazier than they are. Some make better arguments than others but I think we're all in the same boat crazy-wise! ;D
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3018 on: March 28, 2017, 10:48:18 PM »
Quote from: Boots on March 28, 2017, 10:39:46 PM
If someone calls you crazy on this site just read my sig and laugh it off. You're no crazier than they are. Some make better arguments than others but I think we're all in the same boat crazy-wise! ;D

I laughed it off for 70 pages.

I'll try to continue, good advice thanks.

I just want an actual debate.
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« Reply #3019 on: March 28, 2017, 10:56:01 PM »
Sounds good!

It's just that all my life I have marveled at this strange phenomenon where two people are having an argument and they can't resolve it so they have a fight about it. Who is the better fighter has zero bearing on who was right or wrong in the argument!

Perhaps this idea is driven by the movies where the good guy always wins. Irl the good guy does not necessarily win.

Anyway, I'll quit now. Just thought I would throw in a little diversion. Now that we've reached 100!  ;D
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3020 on: March 28, 2017, 11:09:03 PM »
It never had anything to do with the debate.

I had a tough childhood, I remember on multiple occasions my mum calling the cops on my dad cause he hit her. They would arrive and my dad only ever had to say one thing.

"She's crazy."

Not one charge was laid, ever, my Mum was too scared to divorce him because he would get sole custody just with that one phrase.

"She's crazy."

I remember the police took my Mum away for a mental health evaluation with two black eyes, I was screaming the whole time "he's lying he hit her, he's lying he hit her." Needless to say my mothers black eyes paled in comparison to my reward for telling the truth. Again, no charges were ever filed.

Now she's in her 60's and a great deal of my time goes into looking after her because 16 years of abuse with no one believing her pushed her over the edge mentally.

It just absolutely makes me see red when someone plays the crazy card.

Good guys don't always win.

Wow that was deep sorry.

Oh well context.

Have some free ammunition Rayzor, I know how much it gets you off.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3021 on: March 28, 2017, 11:12:34 PM »
Back on topic, I hope someone can address this, it's been up for grabs since page one.

Should be easy.

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Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 06:52:03 PM
You haven't attempted to explain why the building provided no structural resistance for 2.25 seconds.

Would you like to try?

Enlighten me.

Taking shots at my mental health isn't an answer.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3022 on: March 28, 2017, 11:45:17 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 11:12:34 PM
Back on topic, I hope someone can address this, it's been up for grabs since page one.

Should be easy.

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Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 06:52:03 PM
You haven't attempted to explain why the building provided no structural resistance for 2.25 seconds.

Would you like to try?

Enlighten me.

Taking shots at my mental health isn't an answer.

I did say I wouldn't answer your dumb question for the n'th time.   But I will,  If you promise to  never ask again.   Listen Carefully...

IT WAS  FALLING DOWN,   COLLAPSING.   I HAVE VIDEO EVIDENCE PROVING THAT FACT.


Now ask it again,  I dare you to show us all how deranged you really are.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3023 on: March 28, 2017, 11:47:10 PM »
Did some light reading on WTC7 building yesterday. Reading from some personal accounts of firefighters, it seems super unlikely that the building was purposely dropped.
It seems WTC7 was almost completely evacuated by the fire department before it collapsed. There where not even firefighters inside because a collapse due to fire and structural damage seemed imminent. So they cleared the area for quite a while before the building fell. This does not sound like sabotage.

It all makes for interesting reading.
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« Reply #3024 on: March 29, 2017, 12:02:37 AM »
Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on March 28, 2017, 11:47:10 PM
Did some light reading on WTC7 building yesterday. Reading from some personal accounts of firefighters, it seems super unlikely that the building was purposely dropped.
It seems WTC7 was almost completely evacuated by the fire department before it collapsed. There where not even firefighters inside because a collapse due to fire and structural damage seemed imminent. So they cleared the area for quite a while before the building fell. This does not sound like sabotage.

It all makes for interesting reading.

No one is arguing it shouldn't have collapsed at all.

Just not a 2.25 second symmetrical freefall.

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Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 11:12:34 PM
Back on topic, I hope someone can address this, it's been up for grabs since page one.

Should be easy.

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Quote from: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 06:52:03 PM
You haven't attempted to explain why the building provided no structural resistance for 2.25 seconds.

Would you like to try?

Enlighten me.

Taking shots at my mental health isn't an answer.

I did say I wouldn't answer your dumb question for the n'th time.   But I will,  If you promise to  never ask again.   Listen Carefully...

IT WAS  FALLING DOWN,   COLLAPSING.   I HAVE VIDEO EVIDENCE PROVING THAT FACT.


Now ask it again,  I dare you to show us all how deranged you really are.


Why didn't the structure provide any structural resistance as it collapsed? Surely you aren't saying that all building collapses are freefall?

Can you at least see what I am saying Boots?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3025 on: March 29, 2017, 12:04:42 AM »
Is Hulsey also crazy Rayzor.

You know his argument mirrors my own.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3026 on: March 29, 2017, 12:08:28 AM »
Quote from: disputeone on March 29, 2017, 12:04:42 AM
Is Hulsey also crazy Rayzor.

You know his argument mirrors my own.


Hulsey just says  ( incorrectly ) that it wasn't fire that caused the collapse,   you on the other hand think it was controlled demolition,  so claiming Hulsey mirrors your argument is a lie.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3027 on: March 29, 2017, 12:09:27 AM »
I also think fire and debris didn't bring it down.

Is Hulsey crazy?

Are all building collapses free fall?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3028 on: March 29, 2017, 12:10:49 AM »
Quote from: disputeone on March 29, 2017, 12:02:37 AM
Why didn't the structure provide any structural resistance as it collapsed? Surely you aren't saying that all building collapses are freefall?

No,  but just because it was free fall doesn't automatically mean it was controlled demolition.   That's the logical flaw in your argument that I pointed out about 100 pages ago,  and many times since.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3029 on: March 29, 2017, 12:11:36 AM »
Free-fall means no structural resistance.

Can you explain why wtc 7 had no structural resistance?
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