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What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
Denspressure
1 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2490 on: March 19, 2017, 01:36:12 AM »
Don't beg, it's unbecoming, I won't stop poking holes in the O/S, deal with it.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2491 on: March 19, 2017, 01:49:13 AM »
Don't beg, it's unbecoming, I won't stop poking holes in the O/S, deal with it.

Huh?   Are you having another "episode"?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2492 on: March 19, 2017, 02:01:37 AM »
Don't beg, it's unbecoming, I won't stop poking holes in the O/S, deal with it.

Huh?   Are you having another "episode"?

LoL.

You are such a waste of oxygen.

Don't beg, it's unbecoming, I won't stop poking holes in the O/S, deal with it.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2493 on: March 19, 2017, 02:06:49 AM »
Don't beg, it's unbecoming, I won't stop poking holes in the O/S, deal with it.

Huh?   Are you having another "episode"?
I bet you actually sleep well at night. Just hope there is nothing waiting for you when you expire from your physical life.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2494 on: March 19, 2017, 02:12:50 AM »
Don't beg, it's unbecoming, I won't stop poking holes in the O/S, deal with it.

That's called reacting to your reality disconnect.   What made you think I was begging?    If you think I was then you really are batshit crazy. 


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2495 on: March 19, 2017, 02:13:49 AM »
>Can't attack my arguments.

>Desperately attacking me instead.

>Disgusting.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2496 on: March 19, 2017, 02:17:42 AM »
nuh-uh.



Facts speak for themselves.



Your assertion 2.   Temperatures were high enough to MELT steel,  so it must have been controlled demolition. 

You can't have both.  You have to choose one or the other.

I don't want both. Temperatures were objectively hot enough to melt steel, we have shown quite enough evidence for that claim.

NIST's report is either inaccurate or dishonest. The only way to explain the temperatures observed is a controlled demolition.

http://www.easypaintyourcar.com/WTCHighTemp.html

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2497 on: March 19, 2017, 02:19:55 AM »
Facts speak for themselves.

Very true,  it's a language you should try to master as you progress through life.   Look deeper,  and think more.  Don't just leap to conclusions.

Based on your weird reaction,  I'll go further and point out that,  It's a language that's obviously foreign to people like you.  Sorry,  but you'll never make it past conspiracy 101.   You are stuck in your sad crazy little world.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2498 on: March 19, 2017, 02:21:11 AM »
>Literally all you have now.

>So destroyed.

kek.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2499 on: March 19, 2017, 02:26:32 AM »
>Literally all you have now.

>So destroyed.

kek.

Interesting that you not only failed to understand the glaring flaws in the arguments you were making,  even after being pointed out multiple times,  you just kept parroting the same debunked stuff.

Why don't you tell us about how you are a professional MMA fighter?   That might make you feel better.   LOL



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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2500 on: March 19, 2017, 02:49:58 AM »
Two of the pics you posted are after the rescue/clean up had started so seeing cut beams and molten metal are to be expected.  The other pic is indicating what exactly? That there was steel being melted on the outside of the building? What would that do as seeing the support structure was internal.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2501 on: March 19, 2017, 02:52:31 AM »
You know rayzor...I attempted to turn a corner with you. I am very disappointed you have returned to your normal ways.

Name calling and the attempt to belittle people...Very disappointing.

Back to the attempt to belittle me...Very disappointing.

Your presented paper, as well is very disappointing...

That is all I am saying for now towards you
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2502 on: March 19, 2017, 02:55:43 AM »
How do you calculate "free fall"; i mean it's not like "free fall" is a simple thing.

You are confusing acceleration with velocity. Not gonna say it again.
Where am I confusing it. Still haven't found that part.


how do you calculate free-fall

9.8m/s2

With simple algebra.

Except it's not as simple as you as a fitter might think.

http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1224830797


And

http://www.softschools.com/formulas/physics/air_resistance_formula/85/

Those are the basics only. Of course that's far from applicable at the WTC 1/2/7 scenario.
 Your s = 1/2 a*t^2 formula is early highschool-skillset...


I'm pretty sure I know more about physics than you do

You assume too much.

If we wanna get real fancy we can plot change of acceleration using calculus.

But I am sure you knew that.

This is why people roll their eyes at you.
As I mentioned I've studied engineering for one year. So it happens that I've had calculus 8h/week, linear algebra 3h/week, mechanics 6h/week all those for one year. And you know, that was some real shit, not s=1/2 at^2... , integration, differential calculus, vector spaces, differential equations etc. Of course I do have some physics, too at my current major but that is, in comparison, some easy shit.
I'm actually really interested in seeing your "plot change of acceleration using calculus" :)


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NIST calculated a 2.25 second fall at 9.8 m/s2.
You still seem to have reading comprehension problems. I quote myself, so you might re-read and understand
"It makes perfectly sense that there was an acceleration observed that was more or less, within the error rate matching gravitational acceleration. They even used the words "essentially in free fall", "estimation" and "negligible support" making it very clear that those are approximations and not absolute values."

What this means (so you might understand :) ) : There, of course, WAS structural resistance. But given the possibilites of calculating the actual collapsing speed and the supposed free fall speed and the resulting inaccuracies, it can be said that it was neglible.

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What in the world is this? On object will always fall into the path of the least resistance... This is all a demo is, manipulating mass and removing resistance. Why do you think the number one issue with a demo is making the building fall into itself...it's hard, not easy...And certainly not natural.

When was the last time you cut down a tree and it fell into its own foot print? Seen failed demos? What happens? they either don't collapse, fall over a direction, or partially collapse.

If I am drunk and fall over, I am going to fall forward or backwards, not vaporize into my own foot print.
Oh dear...Have you even read my answer concerning that? Or did you just not understand? Read again:
"Thats wrong. Physics says that gravitational froce points into the center of the earth. So for it to not collaps straight down you'd need a great enough force to pull it to one side. This force might occure or might not. But generally there is no need for it to not-collapse straight down; it's just not true to say so.
For it to slide to one side that force might be due to a leaning ground; but if the ground is rectangular to the force of gravity, this force is 0 since m*g*cos(90)=0."

You have some major knowledge gap concerning physics and (bio)mechanics. It would take too long to explain that all. Plus you wouldn't even try to understand it anyway.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2503 on: March 19, 2017, 03:05:28 AM »
You know rayzor...I attempted to turn a corner with you. I am very disappointed you have returned to your normal ways.

Name calling and the attempt to belittle people...Very disappointing.

Back to the attempt to belittle me...Very disappointing.

Your presented paper, as well is very disappointing...

That is all I am saying for now towards you

I was actually being nice to disputeone,  till he freaked out with one of his "reality disconnects" and accused me of begging,  and as you are aware,  I reply in kind, if he can't take it, he shouldn't dish it out.   

As far as you are concerned,  I'll continue to reply in kind.   Need I remind you that you ducked the last 3 or 4 questions?

The main question being about the core left standing after the collapse of WTC1.   You ducked the question.

Also,  if you think there is a problem with that paper by Greening,  then you need to be specific.   Physics is physics.



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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2504 on: March 19, 2017, 03:07:15 AM »
Why don't you tell us about how you are a professional MMA fighter?   That might make you feel better.   LOL

Sure I started traditional martial arts when I was 13, when I was 16 I started  BJJ and Muay Thai, I started winning a few BJJ tournaments, I didn't want to fight muay thai, its too brutal.

I had a fair few amateur MMA fights and won a lot, then I was paid for five fights when I was 22, I kept training casually after that but I didn't want to be a professional fighter, now I fight elevators for a living instead.

Do you want to know more? Its off topic, why not debunk one of my arguments?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2505 on: March 19, 2017, 03:10:14 AM »
but I sat in a classroom for one whole year.

Bhs has a engineering PhD, unless you want to call him a fraud, I dare you to try it. by my count its Bhs, well over 10, people who have called him a fraud 0.

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Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)

9.8m/s2.

No matter how much you cover your ears and say "Nuh-uh"
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 03:15:31 AM by disputeone »
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2506 on: March 19, 2017, 03:10:34 AM »
Why don't you tell us about how you are a professional MMA fighter?   That might make you feel better.   LOL

Sure I started traditional martial arts when I was 13, when I was 16 I started  BJJ and Muay Thai, I started winning a few BJJ tournaments, I didn't want to fight muay thai, its too brutal.

I had a fair few amateur MMA fights and won a lot, then I was paid for five fights when I was 22, I kept training casually after that but I didn't want to be a professional fighter, now I fight elevators for a living instead.
Yeah, maybe you had better gone to college instead of taking hits to the head so you now wouldn't be talking that much bullshit :)
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2507 on: March 19, 2017, 03:12:13 AM »
Bhs has a engineering PhD, unless you want to call him a fraud, I dare you to try it. by my count its Bhs, well over 10, people who have called him a fraud 0.
Everyone can say that. I have not seen proof for that. What I can judge him on is what he wrote. And thus it sure seems he does not have a mechanical engineering PHD.

...also I was talking to you, not him. So deal with it :)
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 03:15:18 AM by User324 »
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2508 on: March 19, 2017, 03:15:54 AM »
but I sat in a classroom for one whole year.

Bhs has a engineering PhD, unless you want to call him a fraud, I dare you to try it. by my count its Bhs, well over 10, people who have called him a fraud 0.

Do you want to re-open that argument?   I backed off out of courtesy,  and you with your comprehension problems assumed wrongly.   I'm no longer  interested in BHS's qualifications and experience,  I've seen enough,  and anyway he can speak for himself. 



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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2509 on: March 19, 2017, 03:18:52 AM »
You got destroyed and make to look like an absolute idiot then an absolute fraud.

>teh irony.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2510 on: March 19, 2017, 03:25:18 AM »
Still waiting for your response disputeone.

How do you calculate "free fall"; i mean it's not like "free fall" is a simple thing.

You are confusing acceleration with velocity. Not gonna say it again.
Where am I confusing it. Still haven't found that part.


how do you calculate free-fall

9.8m/s2

With simple algebra.

Except it's not as simple as you as a fitter might think.

http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1224830797


And

http://www.softschools.com/formulas/physics/air_resistance_formula/85/

Those are the basics only. Of course that's far from applicable at the WTC 1/2/7 scenario.
 Your s = 1/2 a*t^2 formula is early highschool-skillset...


I'm pretty sure I know more about physics than you do

You assume too much.

If we wanna get real fancy we can plot change of acceleration using calculus.

But I am sure you knew that.

This is why people roll their eyes at you.
As I mentioned I've studied engineering for one year. So it happens that I've had calculus 8h/week, linear algebra 3h/week, mechanics 6h/week all those for one year. And you know, that was some real shit, not s=1/2 at^2... , integration, differential calculus, vector spaces, differential equations etc. Of course I do have some physics, too at my current major but that is, in comparison, some easy shit.
I'm actually really interested in seeing your "plot change of acceleration using calculus" :)


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NIST calculated a 2.25 second fall at 9.8 m/s2.
You still seem to have reading comprehension problems. I quote myself, so you might re-read and understand
"It makes perfectly sense that there was an acceleration observed that was more or less, within the error rate matching gravitational acceleration. They even used the words "essentially in free fall", "estimation" and "negligible support" making it very clear that those are approximations and not absolute values."

What this means (so you might understand :) ) : There, of course, WAS structural resistance. But given the possibilites of calculating the actual collapsing speed and the supposed free fall speed and the resulting inaccuracies, it can be said that it was neglible.

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What in the world is this? On object will always fall into the path of the least resistance... This is all a demo is, manipulating mass and removing resistance. Why do you think the number one issue with a demo is making the building fall into itself...it's hard, not easy...And certainly not natural.

When was the last time you cut down a tree and it fell into its own foot print? Seen failed demos? What happens? they either don't collapse, fall over a direction, or partially collapse.

If I am drunk and fall over, I am going to fall forward or backwards, not vaporize into my own foot print.
Oh dear...Have you even read my answer concerning that? Or did you just not understand? Read again:
"Thats wrong. Physics says that gravitational froce points into the center of the earth. So for it to not collaps straight down you'd need a great enough force to pull it to one side. This force might occure or might not. But generally there is no need for it to not-collapse straight down; it's just not true to say so.
For it to slide to one side that force might be due to a leaning ground; but if the ground is rectangular to the force of gravity, this force is 0 since m*g*cos(90)=0."

You have some major knowledge gap concerning physics and (bio)mechanics. It would take too long to explain that all. Plus you wouldn't even try to understand it anyway.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2511 on: March 19, 2017, 03:33:20 AM »
Here, user.

Quote from: NIST
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)

9.8m/s2.

No matter how much you cover your ears and say "Nuh-uh"

Stop asking me the same question.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2512 on: March 19, 2017, 03:34:53 AM »
Here, user.

Quote from: NIST
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)

9.8m/s2.

No matter how much you cover your ears and say "Nuh-uh"

Stop asking me the same question.

I see, you really took too many hits to your head. Sad.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2513 on: March 19, 2017, 03:36:09 AM »
@User324:
That being said, User324, yes, the top edge of the building underwent a 2 second period of near freefall.

(gravitational acceleration according to NIST)

9.8m/s2

What is it about "gravitational acceleration" don't you understand?

Tell me.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2514 on: March 19, 2017, 03:41:06 AM »
>A bowling ball falls at 9.8m/s2 through the atmosphere because of negligible resistance.

>A building falls at 9.8m/s2 through steel and concrete because of negligible resistance.

And this is just fine and dandy to you?
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« Reply #2515 on: March 19, 2017, 03:42:38 AM »
Really rayzor? Still insulting people I see.

I politely said something about your insults, was hoping you would listen.

Now it seems you have a twin, only insulting instead of discussing. Seems to be the number one trend here for the OS.

User I have already proven many many things during my time here with actual proof of what I say about myself..Yet those that prove nothing besides a guided tour pass call me out? The irony is real.... Sad really.

Then I go to post and their is even more insults..... Y'all must be proud.

Very sad

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2516 on: March 19, 2017, 03:44:15 AM »
It's the best they can do, at least Totes bowed out respectfully.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2517 on: March 19, 2017, 03:51:18 AM »
@BHS
When you write something like
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What in the world is this? On object will always fall into the path of the least resistance... This is all a demo is, manipulating mass and removing resistance. Why do you think the number one issue with a demo is making the building fall into itself...it's hard, not easy...And certainly not natural.

When was the last time you cut down a tree and it fell into its own foot print? Seen failed demos? What happens? they either don't collapse, fall over a direction, or partially collapse.

If I am drunk and fall over, I am going to fall forward or backwards, not vaporize into my own foot print.

That does not make you look smart nor make you look like an engineer with a phd.


@Disputeone
I quote my self, once again

"It makes perfectly sense that there was an acceleration observed that was more or less, within the error rate matching gravitational acceleration. They even used the words "essentially in free fall", "estimation" and "negligible support" making it very clear that those are approximations and not absolute values."

What this means (so you might understand   ) : There, of course, WAS structural resistance. But given the possibilites of calculating the actual collapsing speed and the supposed free fall speed and the resulting inaccuracies, it can be said that it was neglible."
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2518 on: March 19, 2017, 03:51:59 AM »
User123

>A bowling ball falls at 9.8m/s2 through the atmosphere because of negligible resistance.

>A building falls at 9.8m/s2 through steel and concrete because of negligible resistance.

And this is just fine and dandy to you?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2519 on: March 19, 2017, 03:53:02 AM »
Really rayzor? Still insulting people I see.

I politely said something about your insults, was hoping you would listen.


Ok,   no more insults. 
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.