Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:

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Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« on: February 13, 2017, 07:51:38 AM »
Is what earth's physical condition shows us.

Water on a spinning ball:

Water on earth:

People navigating a moving surface:

People navigating earth:

Now, please show the clues/evidence/signs from earth's physical condition that supports the ground is moving at 1,000 MPH, or we are speeding at millions of MPH.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 09:16:06 AM »
Wow, 13 views and no takers!

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frenat

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2017, 09:25:19 AM »
Is what earth's physical condition shows us.

Water on a spinning ball:

Water on earth:

difference being gravity and the spin, while often quoted by some as 1000 mph is still only once every 24 hours and the resulting centripetal force is IIRC about 1/2 of one percent that of gravity.

People navigating a moving surface:

People navigating earth:

Again, gravity.  And the wing walking has to deal with wind. 

Now, please show the clues/evidence/signs from earth's physical condition that supports the ground is moving at 1,000 MPH, or we are speeding at millions of MPH.
Foucault pendulums, coriolis effect, gyroscopic compasses, Launching rockets to space East versus West.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2017, 09:29:29 AM »
Water on a spinning ball:
Now spin it at .0007 rpm (actual rotational speed of globe Earth) and let us know what happens.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 09:38:02 AM »
Frenat- "while often quoted by some as 1000 mph is still only once every 24 hours"

1,000 MPH is 1,000 MPH, no matter the size of the vessel. The surface you stand on, Frenat, is said to be moving at 1,000 MPH. Where is the physical signs/evidence/clues from earth's condition that supports that worldview? I showed you what water does on a spinning ball, where is that evidence from earth's nature?


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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2017, 09:39:45 AM »
Frenat- "while often quoted by some as 1000 mph is still only once every 24 hours"

1,000 MPH is 1,000 MPH, no matter the size of the vessel. The surface you stand on, Frenat, is said to be moving at 1,000 MPH. Where is the physical signs/evidence/clues from earth's condition that supports that worldview? I showed you what water does on a spinning ball, where is that evidence from earth's nature?
Read the rest of my post instead of cherry-picking my post.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 09:46:36 AM »
Frenat- "Foucault pendulums, coriolis effect, gyroscopic compasses, Launching rockets to space East versus West."

Pendulums do not support a spinning earth, the counterweight would be pinned in a westerly direction if the ground it is mounted on is moving east at 1,000 MPH. Pendulums operate according to the cut of the ball and socket joint, some pendulums operate in reverse, some do not work at all.

Coriolis affect: How can storms move west/south/north if the atmosphere is moving east at 1,000 MPH?

"gyroscopic compasses"

Do not work on a spherical earth.

"Launching rockets to space East versus West."

What about it?


Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2017, 09:49:05 AM »
Frenat- "cherry picking"

Didn't take long for the "cherry picking" excuse to rear its ugly head! Frenat, do you have any signs/clues/evidence from EARTH'S physical condition that supports we are spinning and speeding?

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frenat

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2017, 09:51:19 AM »
Frenat- "Foucault pendulums, coriolis effect, gyroscopic compasses, Launching rockets to space East versus West."

Pendulums do not support a spinning earth, the counterweight would be pinned in a westerly direction if the ground it is mounted on is moving east at 1,000 MPH. Pendulums operate according to the cut of the ball and socket joint, some pendulums operate in reverse, some do not work at all.
Please review what a foucault pendulm actually is.  There is no reason it would be "westerly direction if the ground it is mounted on is moving east at 1,000 MPH".

Coriolis affect: How can storms move west/south/north if the atmosphere is moving east at 1,000 MPH?
As the storm forms it is already moving with the ground/atmosphere.  Why would it suddenly lose that momentum?

"gyroscopic compasses"

Do not work on a spherical earth.
Wrong.  They only work BECAUSE the Earth is spherical and spinning.  Please review what they are and not what you wish they were.

"Launching rockets to space East versus West."

What about it?
Rockets put into orbit need less thrust when launched to the East than to the west.  The better question is why don't you already know that?

Frenat- "cherry picking"

Didn't take long for the "cherry picking" excuse to rear its ugly head!
Not an excuse when it describes what you actually did.  You took part of the post and responded only to it instead of the rest. 

Frenat, do you have any signs/clues/evidence from EARTH'S physical condition that supports we are spinning and speeding?
Already answered.

And please learn to use the quote function.  It makes everything much easier to read and respond to.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 09:54:52 AM by frenat »

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2017, 09:52:29 AM »
Debunking guide for somebody who actually care :

1 Find the part where the poster cites physics

2 check in an ELEMENTARY school textbook what actually physics says

3 write it down in babysteps.

4 done.

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2017, 09:58:42 AM »
Frenat- "while often quoted by some as 1000 mph is still only once every 24 hours"

1,000 MPH is 1,000 MPH, no matter the size of the vessel. The surface you stand on, Frenat, is said to be moving at 1,000 MPH. Where is the physical signs/evidence/clues from earth's condition that supports that worldview? I showed you what water does on a spinning ball, where is that evidence from earth's nature?
The centrifugal force that makes the water behave in the way it does depends on the rotational speed and the radius. If you do the calculations (which I honestly doubt you are capable of) you see that it is neglible. Now do the same for a tennis ball and compute its gravitational force on the water. See which term is the dominant one there.


Seriously, if disproving a round earth was that simple, do you not believe that the literally hundreds of thousands of scientists would not have noticed? Not a single one of them? Are you that special snowflake, the only one capable of thinking?

If you look at newtons equation of motion F=m*a you will see that it does not depend on velocity. So why do you expect to feel a velocity? Guess how the man on the plane would walk if the air would move with him (you know, as it does on earth). Have you been in an airplane? Could you walk there? I bet you could.

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2017, 10:01:47 AM »
Frenat- "cherry picking"

Didn't take long for the "cherry picking" excuse to rear its ugly head! Frenat, do you have any signs/clues/evidence from EARTH'S physical condition that supports we are spinning and speeding?
Spinning - frenat already answered that

Speeding - doppler shift in the measurement of the cosmic microwave background of both WMAP and COBE.

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2017, 10:05:09 AM »
Debunking guide for somebody who actually care :

1 Find the part where the poster cites physics

2 check in an ELEMENTARY school textbook what actually physics says

3 write it down in babysteps.

4 done.
In all fairness, this thread is so dumb that it does not deserve debunking.
AMA: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=68045.0

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it's not real.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2017, 10:26:04 AM »
Frenat- "while often quoted by some as 1000 mph is still only once every 24 hours"

1,000 MPH is 1,000 MPH, no matter the size of the vessel. The surface you stand on, Frenat, is said to be moving at 1,000 MPH. Where is the physical signs/evidence/clues from earth's condition that supports that worldview? I showed you what water does on a spinning ball, where is that evidence from earth's nature?
Also, 1,000 mph is only at the equator.  The speed decreases as one moves north or south from there.  Either way, it's only one rotation every 24 hours.  Spin a water soaked foam ball one rotation every 24 hours (.0007 rpm) and observe the results.

Frenat- "Foucault pendulums, coriolis effect, gyroscopic compasses, Launching rockets to space East versus West."

Pendulums do not support a spinning earth, the counterweight would be pinned in a westerly direction if the ground it is mounted on is moving east at 1,000 MPH. Pendulums operate according to the cut of the ball and socket joint, some pendulums operate in reverse, some do not work at all.

Coriolis affect: How can storms move west/south/north if the atmosphere is moving east at 1,000 MPH?

"gyroscopic compasses"

Do not work on a spherical earth.

"Launching rockets to space East versus West."

What about it?


You don't understand how the Foucault pendulum works do you.

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onebigmonkey

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2017, 10:53:52 AM »
Have a sequence of still images taken as Apollo 11 headed towards the moon:



Those same views were broadcast on live TV and images from those broadcasts appeared on the next day's newspapers. They were published in books. They match up to 3 different meteorological satellites views of the weather systems.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

We went from a round Earth to a round Moon: http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2017, 10:57:10 AM »
Debunking guide for somebody who actually care :

1 Find the part where the poster cites physics

2 check in an ELEMENTARY school textbook what actually physics says

3 write it down in babysteps.

4 done.
In all fairness, this thread is so dumb that it does not deserve debunking.

Shouldn't aisantaros be more worried about his fake challenge anyway?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2017, 11:45:07 AM »
Debunking guide for somebody who actually care :

1 Find the part where the poster cites physics

2 check in an ELEMENTARY school textbook what actually physics says

3 write it down in babysteps.

4 done.
In all fairness, this thread is so dumb that it does not deserve debunking.

Shouldn't aisantaros be more worried about his fake challenge anyway?

The one that you moved to complete nonsense asap ? :D Then some poor soul tried so hard to make a drama out of it ?

Sure I am worried.

Oh wait I dont frequent this forum to socialze, so zero fucks given.

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2017, 01:44:53 PM »
No one is suggesting Earth is spinning that fast.

Try spinning a ball soaked in water at the staggering speed of 15 degrees an hour.
Try walking on something spinning at the staggering speed of 15 degrees an hour.

It is pretty much nothing.

Comparing it to something spinning so fast is extremely dishonest.

The "force" from the spin, assuming you are at the equator, for a 100 kg man, if I recall correctly, works out to be roughly 300 g.
It is no where near strong enough to overcome gravity.

In order to have the force from the spin match gravity you need to be something like 30 000 km above Earth in a geosynchronous orbit.

So no, that isn't conclusive proof at all. It is just the same old nonsense.

As for evidence Earth is spinning, how about Foucault's pendulum and laser ring gyroscopes, the Coriolis effect, Satellites, and so on.

1,000 MPH is 1,000 MPH, no matter the size of the vessel. The surface you stand on, Frenat, is said to be moving at 1,000 MPH. Where is the physical signs/evidence/clues from earth's condition that supports that worldview? I showed you what water does on a spinning ball, where is that evidence from earth's nature?
You showed us what water does on a ball spinning much much much faster than Earth. Due to the massive speed difference, it shows nothing or relevance.

Who cares if Earth is moving at 1000 mph?
You don't feel speed, you feel acceleration.
The reason the wing walkers have issues is the plane not flying perfectly straight and the wind that is effectively blowing into them at 1000 mph.

If you wish to discuss the centrifugal force using mph instead of angular velocity, that is fine, just note the formula connecting them.
a=v^2/r.
Before we jump straight into that, lets put it in more reasonable units.
1000 mph is 1600 km/hr.
That is ~ 444 m/s.
The radius of Earth is roughly 6400 km. That is 6 400 000 m.
So, putting those into the formula, you get a=(444*444/ 6 400 000)  m/s^2.
This works out to be a tiny 0.03 m/s^2.
Gravity accelerates you at roughly 9.8 m/s^2.
So gravity wins and you don't even notice the difference.

As F=ma, you can figure out the force required to cause this acceleration to figure out the mass difference.
If you have a 100 kg man, then the force, in N is 0.03 m/s^2 * 100 kg. This is 3 N.
You can then use this to figure out what weight that would correspond to by dividing it by the acceleration due to gravity. That gives you 315 g.

You can also do it percentage wise. If you do that, you find out that for every kg something weighs, the spin at the equator makes it weigh roughly 3 grams less. That is 0.3%.

So no, the water wouldn't fly off the surface of Earth, not even at 1000 mph.

To get an idea of the force involved, you want that acceleration to remain the same, or v^2/r to remain the same.
So to reduce it to the size of a small ball, lets say with a 6.4 cm radius, that is 0.000 000 01 times the radius of Earth. That means the speed needs to be reduced to 0.000 1 times the speed of Earth. So rather than having this 6.4 cm ball spin at 1000 mph, you need it to spin at 0.1 miles per hour. That would be 0.16 km/hr, and thus roughly 0.04 m/s.
However, that is just scaling the speed of the ball, it isn't scaling gravity. So you need to observe the droplets would should speed away up to the sky.

Pendulums do not support a spinning earth, the counterweight would be pinned in a westerly direction if the ground it is mounted on is moving east at 1,000 MPH. Pendulums operate according to the cut of the ball and socket joint, some pendulums operate in reverse, some do not work at all.
Foucault's pendulum, not a generic one.
One which is free to swing in any direction.

What counterweight?
We are discussing a Foucault's pendulum, That has no counterweight. It just has a "bob" or weight.

Why would it be pinned in a westerly direction?

Again, you don't feel speed, you feel acceleration.
If you let something go in a car moving along at highway speeds (which isn't accelerating), does it fly back to the back of the car? NO.

Yes, some Foucault pendulums "work in reverse". This is because they are in the southern hemisphere, where they turn backwards, as you would expect on a spinning globe.
Some "don't work", either because they aren't swinging at all, or because they are on the equator.

How about instead of just dismissing the evidence presented you explain the actual issues, and I don't mean making baseless claims about it.

Coriolis affect: How can storms move west/south/north if the atmosphere is moving east at 1,000 MPH?
Because the storms moving east move at slightly more than 1000 mph.
The ones moving west are actually moving east at slightly less than 1000 mph.

"gyroscopic compasses"

Do not work on a spherical earth.
Prove it.

"Launching rockets to space East versus West."

What about it?
It takes less energy (and fuel) to launch a rocket into orbit if it is heading in an easterly direction than if it is heading in a westerly direction.
That is because regardless of which direction it is launched in, it is already travelling towards the east, and the speed required for an orbit is the same regardless of if you go east or west.

To put it simply, if it needs a speed of 5000 mph to orbit, and it is launched with a speed of 1000 mph eastward, then it just needs to accelerate by 4000 mph if it is orbiting to the east.
If it is orbiting to the west, it needs to accelerate 6000 mph, the 5000 mph to achieve orbit and the 1000 mph to shed its eastward speed.
You can also tweak it by using different latitudes.
Launching to the east is best done as close to the equator as possible to get as much speed as possible.
Launching to the west is best done as close to the poles as possible to get as little speed as possible.

Frenat- "cherry picking"

Didn't take long for the "cherry picking" excuse to rear its ugly head! Frenat, do you have any signs/clues/evidence from EARTH'S physical condition that supports we are spinning and speeding?
Yes, that is because it didn't take long for you to start cherry picking.

You completely ignored the majority of the post and just picked on a tiny little piece.

We have told you of the evidence and you just reject it with no rational explanation.


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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2017, 05:06:04 PM »
Frenat- "Foucault pendulums, coriolis effect, gyroscopic compasses, Launching rockets to space East versus West."

Pendulums do not support a spinning earth, the counterweight would be pinned in a westerly direction if the ground it is mounted on is moving east at 1,000 MPH. Pendulums operate according to the cut of the ball and socket joint, some pendulums operate in reverse, some do not work at all.

You claim "Pendulums do not support a spinning earth, the counterweight would be pinned in a westerly direction if the ground it is mounted on is moving east at 1,000 MPH."
Please explain why?
In a car travelling at a constant 80 mph are you pinned to back of the seat in the car?
          But even starting from rest, if you "plant your foot" you do get pinned to back of the seat in the car! What is the difference?
In a plane travelling at over 500 mph are you pinned to the back of the plane?
A constant velocity does not cause any force, only a change in velocity (an acceleration) causes a force.

Your whole argument is fallacious.

Quote from: physical observer
Coriolis affect: How can storms move west/south/north if the atmosphere is moving east at 1,000 MPH?
The earth and the atmosphere are moving east together at 1,039 mph at the equator, so there is no large air movement relative to the earth.
 
But the Coriolis effect does not cause storms to "move west/south/north" or any other direction.
The Coriolis effect is the reason for the four distinct situations that are observed for High Pressure Weather systems and Low Pressure Weather systems, including Hurricanes, Typhoons and Cyclones, in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres.
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Northern Hemisphere
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Southern Hemisphere
Highs
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Clockwise
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Anti-clockwise
Lows
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Anti-clockwise
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Clockwise
Quote from: physical observer
"gyroscopic compasses"
Do not work on a spherical earth.
Far from it! Marine Gyroscopic Compasses rely on the rotation of the earth to find True North not magnetic north.
Aircraft Gyro-compasses simply use the gyro to stabilise a direction determined by a magnetic compass and would work on a Globe or round flat earth.

Quote from: physical observer
"Launching rockets to space East versus West."
What about it?
Yes, rockets are commonly launched East to West to take advantage of the rotation of the earth in reaching orbital speed.

So none of your arguments favours the flat earth and the Marine Gyroscopic Compass is evidence for a rotating earth, as is the Gyro-Theodolite.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2017, 03:43:26 AM »
Haha wow, this is... I mean, Tom Bishop is so dense it's aggrovating, but this particular OP.. Best read I've had on the train home from work so far.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2017, 11:02:25 AM »
Frenat- "As the storm forms it is already moving with the ground/atmosphere."

Yeah, in a easterly direction at 1,000 MPH. How does a storm travel west, north or south if the storm clouds are moving east at 1,000 MPH?

Why gyroscopes prove a flat earth, not a spinning earth:

F- "Rockets put into orbit need less thrust when launched to the East than to the west."

I have never run across that claim in the 3 years I've been researching flat earth. Got a link?

Frenat, I'll ask again{because you did not give what was requested}, do you have any evidence/clues/signs by the physical conditions on earth that support the ground is moving at 1,000 MPH?

Do you have any physical signs/clues/evidence from earth's physical condition that supports we are speeding at millions of MPH? You have not given me what should be observed from earth's physical condition. I gave just two of the many signs/evidence/clues from earth's physical condition, earth's natural nature{not man made objects, or man's math from a book}, that we are motionless, and the world is a flat plane. The physics of water alone proves we are not on a spinning speeding ball.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2017, 11:14:13 AM »
Kami- "The centrifugal force..."

Of a surface speed of 1,000 MPH would hurl anything not pinned down off the surface. The ground mind you, that little piece of ground you stand on, is said to be moving at 1,000 MPH. Now, if you'll claim the ground is only moving at 4 MPH, it might be a little believable, but 1,000 MPH, COME ON, use your power of reasoning!

Please, do you have any physical clues/signs/evidence from earth's condition, earth's physical nature, that supports the ground is moving at 1,000 MPH? Why, Kami, when I walk upon the earth, it feels motionless, yet you'll are telling me I'm whipping along at 1,000 MPH along with the earth and the atmosphere.

Why is it, Kami, I'm always directed to math in a book, or some fancy scientist's explanation, instead of finding the evidence/clues/signs from earth's natural condition, from the earth itself? Why is that missing? 

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2017, 11:17:24 AM »
Frenat- "As the storm forms it is already moving with the ground/atmosphere."

Yeah, in a easterly direction at 1,000 MPH. How does a storm travel west, north or south if the storm clouds are moving east at 1,000 MPH?
How can it not?  How are you able to move in different direction while riding on a train?  Same concept.

Why gyroscopes prove a flat earth, not a spinning earth:
Can you summarize this ignorant video so I don't have to wast 11 minutes of my life on it?  How does it deal with the FACT that a gyroscopic compass only works because the Earth is round and spinning?  I'm betting IF they did any experiments they were way off on the the precision needed/isolation of external forces needed.

F- "Rockets put into orbit need less thrust when launched to the East than to the west."

I have never run across that claim in the 3 years I've been researching flat earth. Got a link?
I'm sorry google is broken for you.

Frenat, I'll ask again{because you did not give what was requested}, do you have any evidence/clues/signs by the physical conditions on earth that support the ground is moving at 1,000 MPH?
And AGAIN, I already answered.  It isn't my problem you are incapable of comprehending.

Do you have any physical signs/clues/evidence from earth's physical condition that supports we are speeding at millions of MPH? You have not given me what should be observed from earth's physical condition. I gave just two of the many signs/evidence/clues from earth's physical condition, earth's natural nature{not man made objects, or man's math from a book}, that we are motionless, and the world is a flat plane. The physics of water alone proves we are not on a spinning speeding ball.
I did give you plenty.  All you've given shows that you don't understand inertia and basic physics. 

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2017, 11:18:28 AM »


Of a surface speed of 1,000 MPH would hurl anything not pinned down off the surface.
Not according to the actual math.  The centripetal force at max is about 1/2 of 1 percent of gravity.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2017, 11:21:46 AM »
Hey you'll, I'm not looking for fancy explanations, I'm not looking fro math from a book, I'm looking for the physical signs/clues/evidence from the condition of nature that supports the earth is spinning at 1,000 MPH, or cruising along at millions of MPH.

I mean, the claim is the ground, the surface, the spot you are standing on, is hurling along at 1,000 MPH, and so are you! Why don't you feel that motion? I mean, I feel the motion when I ride a bike at 10 MPH, but I don't feel 1,000 MPH? Something is not jiving here!

The evidence from earth's physical condition supports a motionless flat plane.

So, if you have not what is being asked for, that's fine, just say so, don't try other fancy tricks to hide what you don't have. I know the empty tricks, this is not my first rodeo, by any means.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2017, 11:26:56 AM »
Frenat, it is you that does not understand what is being sought.

Physical clues/signs/evidence form earth's physical condition is what I seek. Certainly, if the earth is physically experiencing a 1,000 MPH rotation speed, and speeding at millions of MPH, there has to be physical signs/evidence/clues from earth's physical condition that supports that claim.

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2017, 11:28:00 AM »
Hey you'll, I'm not looking for fancy explanations, I'm not looking fro math from a book, I'm looking for the physical signs/clues/evidence from the condition of nature that supports the earth is spinning at 1,000 MPH, or cruising along at millions of MPH.

I mean, the claim is the ground, the surface, the spot you are standing on, is hurling along at 1,000 MPH, and so are you! Why don't you feel that motion? I mean, I feel the motion when I ride a bike at 10 MPH, but I don't feel 1,000 MPH? Something is not jiving here!

The evidence from earth's physical condition supports a motionless flat plane.

So, if you have not what is being asked for, that's fine, just say so, don't try other fancy tricks to hide what you don't have. I know the empty tricks, this is not my first rodeo, by any means.
Sadly there are things happening in our universe on such a scale that we can't immediately observe them.
And let's face it, it's never speed that you feel, it's acceleration.
AMA: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=68045.0

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it's not real.

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Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2017, 11:38:42 AM »
Hey you'll, I'm not looking for fancy explanations, I'm not looking fro math from a book, I'm looking for the physical signs/clues/evidence from the condition of nature that supports the earth is spinning at 1,000 MPH, or cruising along at millions of MPH.

I mean, the claim is the ground, the surface, the spot you are standing on, is hurling along at 1,000 MPH, and so are you! Why don't you feel that motion? I mean, I feel the motion when I ride a bike at 10 MPH, but I don't feel 1,000 MPH? Something is not jiving here!

The evidence from earth's physical condition supports a motionless flat plane.

So, if you have not what is being asked for, that's fine, just say so, don't try other fancy tricks to hide what you don't have. I know the empty tricks, this is not my first rodeo, by any means.
You don't feel constant motion.  You've been given evidence and are choosing to ignore it.  The apparent rotation of stars around BOTH the North and South celestial poles shows we are not on a plane. 

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2017, 11:39:13 AM »
Rocks- "that we can't immediately observe them."

Do you know why we "can't immediately observe them"? Because they don't exist.

Re: Flat earth, spherical, the most conclusive proof:
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2017, 11:43:57 AM »
Frenat- "You don't feel constant motion."

Only true when I'm inside a vessel, not on the outside of a moving vessel. Drive down an interstate in you car, then stick your head out the window. That is one way you can tell you are in motion. But that seems to be missing from our 1,000 MPH journey, isn't it?