Is it just the losers in society that hate capitalism?

And now you're seeming like a much less interesting troll.

And now you're seeming like a much less interesting troll.

She usually fizzles...I am surprised you kept interest this long.

Though I do wonder....

I wonder what charm has accomplished to speak from such a high horse? Or is it all just empty words and projection?

Has anyone ever told you how boring you are?

Being bored is a self-inflicted problem, not external.

I wonder what charm has accomplished to speak from such a high horse? Or is it all just empty words and projection?

She was a hooker....

Wait a minute....

Are you saying being employed is a form of socialism and/or being a loser?

Anyone that has had any dealings with me knows how much I promote free market, self accountability, reeping what you sow, no free rides etc. My back story and where I am today shows I have done everything I talk about and found success in it.

I have also just said something about how losers create false realities so they can be "winners" in another thread. There is also much to be said about those who hate capitalism are typically a loser by laziness and choice.

However....

Just because someone is employed by another does not mean they are a loser. ALMOST everyone that is employed by me is certainly not a loser, one could start and run a business like mine if he wanted. He does not, he makes 160k give or take, but only has to work 40 hours a week. The rest is spent with his family and what he wants to do..He doesn't want to run a business even though he could. He is still very successful, in his profession and all he does outside it.

Believe me, there is something to be said about being able to leave your work at work...I do not have that luxury. There are trade offs for every decision...It certainly does not mean that person is a loser.

Am I a loser because I don't want to keep expanding? I am happy where I am, I don't want to dedicate every ounce of free time towards business anymore? I am ready to coast for a little while?



Also there is nothing wrong with a few regulations form the government to keep businesses in check. Human nature can ruin capitalism if left completely unchecked just as human nature ruins Socialism

Lol so you think it's a good idea to put humans in charge?  Are these elected officials some how immune to "human nature"?  Everything the government touches turns to shit.

Quote from: Rama Set on February 07, 2017, 10:56:34 AM

but I have always been self-sufficient, had a job, etc...

provided for you...

You realize that his boss depends on the employees as much as the employees depend on the employers.  The beauty of capitalism!  Every other form of economics requires force or threat of force.

And now you're seeming like a much less interesting troll.

Normally I would take all the blame but please consider the sources I am interacting with.

Quote from: charm on February 07, 2017, 11:00:45 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 07, 2017, 10:56:34 AM

but I have always been self-sufficient, had a job, etc...

provided for you...

You realize that his boss depends on the employees as much as the employees depend on the employers.  The beauty of capitalism!  Every other form of economics requires force or threat of force.

Yes I know, he just seems like a push over though and fun to poke around.

Quote from: charm on February 07, 2017, 02:37:11 PM

Has anyone ever told you how boring you are?

Being bored is a self-inflicted problem, not external.

That doesn't sound like a proper answer to my question so it's probably yes since you are avoiding to answer directly. Yes, I will take that as a definite YES.

Lol so you think it's a good idea to put humans in charge?  Are these elected officials some how immune to "human nature"?  Everything the government touches turns to shit.

I didn't say our current elected officials lol... A group of people who care about humanity and our greater good. Though I know the improbability of grouping together such people. Also, I mean very small amounts of regulations..Just enough to keep people from getting screwed by large companies.

There are people like myself and most of the company I keep, we put humanity first, then business. I want my employees to live comfortably even if it hurts my bottom line a bit.

However, I also know owners who could give a fuck about their employees as long as the profit keeps coming. Their turn over is high, morale in the business and attitude is apparent as well as work quality. Walk into my place, or some of my friends businesses, you will see and feel the difference, not to mention many including myself have an original employee or two from opening.

These regulations I speak about are for the latter not the former type employeers. I don't mind them though, as they would never effect my business as I would always be ahead of the curve because I want to, not have to.


Though, at the same time, I understand what you are saying...What are the odds of building a group of people competent enough as well as with morals and care to make regulations for the free market...

Maybe I should listen to my libertarian side...Though at the same time, I could only imagine what some of these owners and CEOs would do to their employees without any sort of chain...

Quote from: Rama Set on February 07, 2017, 04:12:18 PM

Quote from: charm on February 07, 2017, 02:37:11 PM

Has anyone ever told you how boring you are?

Being bored is a self-inflicted problem, not external.

That doesn't sound like a proper answer to my question so it's probably yes since you are avoiding to answer directly. Yes, I will take that as a definite YES.

Just you and my 5 year old. Either way, your boredom is a problem for you to solve and had nothing to do with me.

Being bored is a self-inflicted problem, not external.

Ha ha ha.... Nice.

She was a hooker....

This is not an accomplishment...Even the dumbest functioning mammal can do this.

However..I have no doubt she is easy. Accepting anything that comes her way. I am sure she awoke countless times to an empty bed and a missing 20 out of her purse as he snuck out, stumbling half drunk reeking of shame, regrets and menthols.

At least a hooker is intelligent enough to charge for it....

So....long story short...She is just projecting...

Quote from: Rama Set on February 07, 2017, 04:12:18 PM

Being bored is a self-inflicted problem, not external.

Ha ha ha.... Nice.

Quote from: Rama Set on February 07, 2017, 04:12:18 PM

Being bored is a self-inflicted problem, not external.

This is not an accomplishment...Even the dumbest functioning mammal can do this.

However..I have no doubt she is easy. Accepting anything that comes her way. I am sure she awoke countless times to an empty bed and a missing 20 out of her purse as he snuck out, stumbling half drunk reeking of shame, regrets and menthols.

At least a hooker is intelligent enough to charge for it....

So....long story short...She is just projecting...

Obviously. She knows nothing about me and had decided all sorts of things about who I am. It's what people do to manage their fear and anxiety.

I messed up my original post...

Fixed.

One day I will actually proof read something.

Quote from: Howie feldersnatch on February 07, 2017, 04:29:56 PM

Lol so you think it's a good idea to put humans in charge?  Are these elected officials some how immune to "human nature"?  Everything the government touches turns to shit.

I didn't say our current elected officials lol... A group of people who care about humanity and our greater good. Though I know the improbability of grouping together such people. Also, I mean very small amounts of regulations..Just enough to keep people from getting screwed by large companies.

There are people like myself and most of the company I keep, we put humanity first, then business. I want my employees to live comfortably even if it hurts my bottom line a bit.

However, I also know owners who could give a fuck about their employees as long as the profit keeps coming. Their turn over is high, morale in the business and attitude is apparent as well as work quality. Walk into my place, or some of my friends businesses, you will see and feel the difference, not to mention many including myself have an original employee or two from opening.

These regulations I speak about are for the latter not the former type employeers. I don't mind them though, as they would never effect my business as I would always be ahead of the curve because I want to, not have to.


Though, at the same time, I understand what you are saying...What are the odds of building a group of people competent enough as well as with morals and care to make regulations for the free market...

Maybe I should listen to my libertarian side...Though at the same time, I could only imagine what some of these owners and CEOs would do to their employees without any sort of chain...

No one can decide what's best for you but you.  It's immoral to try and decide what's best for your neighbors. 

Yet these companies still have employees, and get new ones when the old ones leave.  The free market will run these poorly run businesses out of business long before any kind of do good government.  Any idea that requires force or threat of force to implement without due process is immoral.

No one can decide what's best for you but you.  It's immoral to try and decide what's best for your neighbors.

Of course someone else can decide what is best for you.  To illustrate an extreme example: someone can easily discern that bleeding out from a punctured artery is terrible for you.   

Yet these companies still have employees, and get new ones when the old ones leave.  The free market will run these poorly run businesses out of business long before any kind of do good government.

This is said a lot but there are terrible corporations exploiting people worldwide and do not appear to pay any penalty for it.  It seems the free market is not strongly motivated to consider people's dignity, or well-being.  I'm not saying that government is often better, but there are plenty of examples of regulations that appear to operate much more efficiently than the free-market.

Any idea that requires force or threat of force to implement without due process is immoral.

So self-defence is immoral?  I am not sure I understand where you are coming from here.  Also, no government is regulation or law is carried out without due process of some sort, and there is always a remedy to be had as well in the form of civil litigation or appeals.

Quote from: Howie feldersnatch on February 07, 2017, 07:22:12 PM

No one can decide what's best for you but you.  It's immoral to try and decide what's best for your neighbors.

Of course someone else can decide what is best for you.  To illustrate an extreme example: someone can easily discern that bleeding out from a punctured artery is terrible for you.   

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Yet these companies still have employees, and get new ones when the old ones leave.  The free market will run these poorly run businesses out of business long before any kind of do good government.

This is said a lot but there are terrible corporations exploiting people worldwide and do not appear to pay any penalty for it.  It seems the free market is not strongly motivated to consider people's dignity, or well-being.  I'm not saying that government is often better, but there are plenty of examples of regulations that appear to operate much more efficiently than the free-market.

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Any idea that requires force or threat of force to implement without due process is immoral.

So self-defence is immoral?  I am not sure I understand where you are coming from here.  Also, no government is regulation or law is carried out without due process of some sort, and there is always a remedy to be had as well in the form of civil litigation or appeals.

Lol and you think that the person bleeding is going to disagree? Smdh.

Countering force with force is moral.  But if you notice I said "idea that requires...."  that wouldn't be self defense now would it.

Oh you are so wrong about that.  Taxes are taken from me by the threat of force without me getting due process.  Government has simply decided they want my money and will take it.

Lol and you think that the person bleeding is going to disagree? Smdh.

On your view it is not for you or me to decide, right?

Countering force with force is moral.  But if you notice I said "idea that requires...."  that wouldn't be self defense now would it.

How is self-defence not an idea?  Could you clarify what you mean?

Oh you are so wrong about that.  Taxes are taken from me by the threat of force without me getting due process.  Government has simply decided they want my money and will take it.

You are able to contest taxation laws in a court of law and if you can make an argument against it that is compelling then it would be considered.  On a side note, it is interesting and strange to me when people with heavy libertarian views characterize the government as thugish robbers.  I am not going to say the government use of funds in anywhere close to efficient, but surely you can admit that there are services the government provides to you that you benefit from?

It does seem reasonable that you should be able to opt out of taxes as long as you agree to never use anything the government provides with it.  Would you be happy with that?  To go off-roading and boil you own water?

I'm a winner.

So self-defence is immoral?  I am not sure I understand where you are coming from here.

Any action that directly or indirectly hurts someone leads to negative karma, the universe can't differentiate between someone hurting someone to save themselves and someone hurting someone for personal gain.

This is just my opinion on it, I would still defend myself to the limit of my ability if I was in danger but I would accept the negative karmic consequences of my negative actions.

I'm a winner.

Yes, you're a weiner.
Don't talk with your mouth full.
Shut up, grownups are talking.

This is not an accomplishment...Even the dumbest functioning mammal can do this.

I never said it was but someone thought it was worth mentioning and give it merit.

I do know that being self employed and not paying taxes was awesome though. My hard earned money didn't contribute to any of the corruption in our government. A lot of people wish they could do what I did.

My hard earned money didn't contribute to any of the corruption in our government.

Then you have never paid any tax.

A lot of people wish they could do what I did.

What exactly have you 'done'?

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on February 07, 2017, 05:38:03 PM

This is not an accomplishment...Even the dumbest functioning mammal can do this.

I never said it was but someone thought it was worth mentioning and give it merit.

I do know that being self employed and not paying taxes was awesome though. My hard earned money didn't contribute to any of the corruption in our government. A lot of people wish they could do what I did.

I hate to break this to you, but you are still required to pay taxes if you're self-employed. In fact, you have to pay the full FICA taxes instead of half like an employee.

Quote from: charm on February 08, 2017, 04:15:21 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on February 07, 2017, 05:38:03 PM

This is not an accomplishment...Even the dumbest functioning mammal can do this.

I never said it was but someone thought it was worth mentioning and give it merit.

I do know that being self employed and not paying taxes was awesome though. My hard earned money didn't contribute to any of the corruption in our government. A lot of people wish they could do what I did.

I hate to break this to you, but you are still required to pay taxes if you're self-employed. In fact, you have to pay the full FICA taxes instead of half like an employee.

Tell that to the drug dealers.