UA vs Denpressure

Quote from: Rayzor on February 13, 2017, 09:28:50 PM

You never owned up to being a flat earther,  so I'll assume you aren't  unless you want to correct me and claim otherwise.

Quote from: disputeone on February 13, 2017, 08:36:12 PM

I think the earth is most likely an oblate spheroid and that modern science is for the most part correct.

Quote from: disputeone on December 24, 2016, 05:08:40 PM

Turns out the earth really is flat.

Liar liar, pants on fire.

Turns out, the earth really is flat?

Which is it disputenone? Do you think earth really is flat or is it an oblate spheroid? Actually dont answer! Youve already proven yourself an untrustworthy liar.

Which is it disputenone? Do you think earth really is flat or is it an oblate spheroid? Actually dont answer! Youve already proven yourself an untrustworthy liar.

I have already answered, in context, I think that quote speaks for itself.

Also thanks for reminding me of this. 

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing on December 26, 2016, 09:08:18 AM

Also disputeone, how can you say things like these and expect to not be called a troll or shill?

Not bad, you guys would do well at the FES with jokes like that. - Disputeone.

His quote is in this thread.
http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/the-earth-is-flat.645011/page-2

Because, imagine if everyone was as humorless and as serious as yourself and some of the roundies here? What a sad site this would be and how little traffic we would attract.

Don't take life so seriously, you'll never make it out alive.

Geez man you're 15 go talk to pretty girls or something, stop thinking about me for a little while at least.

Stop shitting up our threads.

Edit.

I made one just for you.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69307.0

Nice deflection yo!

"I already told you why I contradict myself!" - disputenone

(no real answer given)

Nice deflection yo!

"I already told you why I contradict myself!" - disputenone

(no real answer given)

Just saying...You are yelling at the wrong people... Dispute is not the evil roundy you think he is, neither am I.

You should rethink your targeting system

Yeaaahhhh no thanks. Anyone who flip flops and goes back and forth from defending to attacking the flat earth theory clearly has some confusion themselves. You have babyhighspeed, you defend the globe model more than anything. My guess is thay youve only recently taken a more pro flat earth stance in order to confuse and dissuade people away from this site. Same with disputenone. Y'all bloodthirsty nonsensical shills.

Yeaaahhhh no thanks. Anyone who flip flops and goes back and forth from defending to attacking the flat earth theory clearly has some confusion themselves. You have babyhighspeed, you defend the globe model more than anything. My guess is thay youve only recently taken a more pro flat earth stance in order to confuse and dissuade people away from this site. Same with disputenone. Y'all bloodthirsty nonsensical shills.

Can you prove that....Or is that just in your head? Every post I ever made is saved on this site.

Pretty sure if you look at it...In the beginning I was yelling at heiwa, which had nothing to do with the shape of the earth, just his lies and disrespect. Then I am in the political/ religious side alot...And in 9/11 issues....then just general nonsense...Very little about the shape of the earth.

If I have said anything, it would have been my interest in the geocentric model.

Nor have I ever tried to stop anyone from their own personal critical thoughts.

I also jump on people abusing flat earthers....

Perhaps you may be a little jumpy prematurely?

Yeaaahhhh no thanks. Anyone who flip flops and goes back and forth from defending to attacking the flat earth theory clearly has some confusion themselves. You have babyhighspeed, you defend the globe model more than anything. My guess is thay youve only recently taken a more pro flat earth stance in order to confuse and dissuade people away from this site. Same with disputenone. Y'all bloodthirsty nonsensical shills.

If you don't like it, then you can always fuck off.

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing on February 14, 2017, 06:26:09 AM

Yeaaahhhh no thanks. Anyone who flip flops and goes back and forth from defending to attacking the flat earth theory clearly has some confusion themselves. You have babyhighspeed, you defend the globe model more than anything. My guess is thay youve only recently taken a more pro flat earth stance in order to confuse and dissuade people away from this site. Same with disputenone. Y'all bloodthirsty nonsensical shills.

If you don't like it, then you can always fuck off.

Good advice.

Same to you!

But I do like it! Very much!

I think I'll stick around!

Why though? Doesnt a good old globe earth believing person have better things to do with their time? Like making paper sheets called currency! Go get that stuff! Obey your master Boots! Obey and stay asleep! Why are you here wasting your life trying to dissuade people from believing in flat earth when you could be a rich man from all your hard work elswhere!? As for me? In through obeying my masters. Fuck them. Their time is over. Their ass is grass and im the weedwacker. They fucked over the wrong person.

OH WHATS THAT? You dont think you have masters? Look at your money. Whats that pyramid there? Did you vote that freemason symbol onto it? No? Do you think your vote ever counts for anything? Nope! Oh you dont live in america, so your safe right? Think again. The time has come for not a world war, but a world revolution. I say start with the dismemberment of the CIA. Their dirty fingers are already in every nation.

Why though? Doesnt a good old globe earth believing person have better things to do with their time? Like making paper sheets called currency! Go get that stuff! Obey your master Boots! Obey and stay asleep! Why are you here wasting your life trying to dissuade people from believing in flat earth when you could be a rich man from all your hard work elswhere!? As for me? In through obeying my masters. Fuck them. Their time is over. Their ass is grass and im the weedwacker. They fucked over the wrong person.

OH WHATS THAT? You dont think you have masters? Look at your money. Whats that pyramid there? Did you vote that freemason symbol onto it? No? Do you think your vote ever counts for anything? Nope! Oh you dont live in america, so your safe right? Think again. The time has come for not a world war, but a world revolution. I say start with the dismemberment of the CIA. Their dirty fingers are already in every nation.

So what exactly are you going to oh weedwacker?

Why though? Doesnt a good old globe earth believing person have better things to do with their time? Like making paper sheets called currency! Go get that stuff! Obey your master Boots! Obey and stay asleep! Why are you here wasting your life trying to dissuade people from believing in flat earth when you could be a rich man from all your hard work elswhere!? As for me? In through obeying my masters. Fuck them. Their time is over. Their ass is grass and im the weedwacker. They fucked over the wrong person.

OH WHATS THAT? You dont think you have masters? Look at your money. Whats that pyramid there? Did you vote that freemason symbol onto it? No? Do you think your vote ever counts for anything? Nope! Oh you dont live in america, so your safe right? Think again. The time has come for not a world war, but a world revolution. I say start with the dismemberment of the CIA. Their dirty fingers are already in every nation.

Have you read this??

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing on February 14, 2017, 06:26:09 AM

Yeaaahhhh no thanks. Anyone who flip flops and goes back and forth from defending to attacking the flat earth theory clearly has some confusion themselves. You have babyhighspeed, you defend the globe model more than anything. My guess is thay youve only recently taken a more pro flat earth stance in order to confuse and dissuade people away from this site. Same with disputenone. Y'all bloodthirsty nonsensical shills.

Can you prove that....Or is that just in your head? Every post I ever made is saved on this site.

Pretty sure if you look at it...In the beginning I was yelling at heiwa, which had nothing to do with the shape of the earth, just his lies and disrespect. Then I am in the political/ religious side alot...And in 9/11 issues....then just general nonsense...Very little about the shape of the earth.

If I have said anything, it would have been my interest in the geocentric model.

Nor have I ever tried to stop anyone from their own personal critical thoughts.

I also jump on people abusing flat earthers....

Perhaps you may be a little jumpy prematurely?

Don't you think lashing out at everyone and everything with no rhyme or reason make little sense? People just tune you out that way, you accomplish nothing.

I know you are 15, is this a hormonal thing? Some sort of personal induced deflection based off a catalyst not related to here or even the shape of the earth???

Don't you think lashing out at everyone and everything with no rhyme or reason make little sense? People just tune you out that way, you accomplish nothing.

Oh youre tuning me out? Is that why you made an entire post about me?

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on February 21, 2017, 12:33:05 PM

Don't you think lashing out at everyone and everything with no rhyme or reason make little sense? People just tune you out that way, you accomplish nothing.

Oh youre tuning me out? Is that why you made an entire post about me?

You're a funny little pistol. You asked me why I stick around? Well part of the reason is just the kicks I get out of watching you go off like a little firecracker. 

Pow pow goes the pistol! I hear the second american revolution starting already. 

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on February 21, 2017, 12:33:05 PM

Don't you think lashing out at everyone and everything with no rhyme or reason make little sense? People just tune you out that way, you accomplish nothing.

Oh youre tuning me out? Is that why you made an entire post about me?

So apparently you didn't read any of that post at all..... Sigh...

Would you punch a guy while he is helping you off a roof?

Or to put it as blunt as possible....Know your enemies!!

Bumping an important thread.

Bumping an important thread.

If "denpressure" is correct,
          I'm just waiting for someone to explain how objects can have any weight in a vacuum, let alone slightly more than under atmospheric pressure.
But if UA is correct,
         I'm waiting for logical explanations of why g is higher at both extremes of north and south latitude than near the equator and
         why g is lower at higher altitudes when there only an extremely small diurnal variation, yesterday (Feb 28, 2017) about ±500 nm/sec^-2.
          From Conrad University, Daily gravity variation , they display gravity variations in real time.
         The "diurnal variation" is a measure the gravitational influence of the sun and moon, so is an indication as to whether "celestial gravitation" could explain the effect.

Best of luck with your latest set of guesses.

Quote from: John Davis on February 28, 2017, 05:22:02 PM

Bumping an important thread.

If "denpressure" is correct,
          I'm just waiting for someone to explain how objects can have any weight in a vacuum, let alone slightly more than under atmospheric pressure.
But if UA is correct,
         I'm waiting for logical explanations of why g is higher at both extremes of north and south latitude than near the equator and
         why g is lower at higher altitudes when there only an extremely small diurnal variation, yesterday (Feb 28, 2017) about ±500 nm/sec^-2.
          From Conrad University, Daily gravity variation , they display gravity variations in real time.
         The "diurnal variation" is a measure the gravitational influence of the sun and moon, so is an indication as to whether "celestial gravitation" could explain the effect.

Best of luck with your latest set of guesses.

There is only one man who could react like that to a simple bump.

MacGyver Rabinoz.

Quote from: rabinoz on February 28, 2017, 05:54:03 PM

Quote from: John Davis on February 28, 2017, 05:22:02 PM

Bumping an important thread.

If "denpressure" is correct,
          I'm just waiting for someone to explain how objects can have any weight in a vacuum, let alone slightly more than under atmospheric pressure.
But if UA is correct,
         I'm waiting for logical explanations of why g is higher at both extremes of north and south latitude than near the equator and
         why g is lower at higher altitudes when there only an extremely small diurnal variation, yesterday (Feb 28, 2017) about ±500 nm/sec^-2.
          From Conrad University, Daily gravity variation , they display gravity variations in real time.
         The "diurnal variation" is a measure the gravitational influence of the sun and moon, so is an indication as to whether "celestial gravitation" could explain the effect.

Best of luck with your latest set of guesses.

There is only one man who could react like that to a simple bump.

MacGyver Rabinoz.

Thanks, your support is so appreciated.

I assumed that John Davis expected something to get the discussion going again.
Why wasn't it you trying to start another dispute, as seems to be your usual aim?

You mean it wasn't???

I let you guys down


Rab, you are just too easy a target, I'll lay off, sorry

You mean it wasn't???

I let you guys down


Rab, you are just too easy a target, I'll lay off, sorry

No need, I just got in before you. Yes, some people do  seem to set themselves up  .

Now, over to you for some serious debate.

By the way, ever looked at all the conflicting ideas on "gravity" in "the Wiki" and in "the FAQ".
You could make a whole debate on "gravity" by doing nothing but quoting from "the Wiki" and "FAQ".

I have, believe it or not, read the Wiki.

What would you like to debate specifically?

I have, believe it or not, read the Wiki.

What would you like to debate specifically?

Only to point out that you can make a debate quoting only "the FAQ" and "the Wiki".

Gravity
In the Flat Earth model, 'gravity', rather than being a force, is the upward acceleration of the Earth. The Earth always accelerates upward at 1g, which is equivalent to the gravitational acceleration in the Round Earth model. Like the force of gravity, the Earth's acceleration causes several commonly observed phenomena in our daily lives.

UNIVERSAL ACCELERATION
'Universal Acceleration' is a theory of gravity within the Flat Earth Model. The traditional theory of gravity (e.g. Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation, General Theory of Relativity, etc) is incompatible with the Flat Earth Model because it requires a large, spherical mass pulling objects uniformly toward its center.

Rather than a downward pull due to the presence of mass, the theory of Universal Acceleration asserts that the roughly disk-shaped Earth is accelerating 'upward' at a constant rate of 1g (9.8m/sec^2). This produces the effect commonly referred to as "gravity".

Then 

Is The Earth Accelerating Upwards?
No. This is popular theory among some small groups to explain gravity, but it is problematic at best. The Earth Is Stationary. We are not whizzing about in space at 67,000 miles/hour or at speeds accelerating towards the speed of light.

So, is UA part of the accepted Flat Earth theory, or not?
Then 

Infinite Flat Earth

The infinite flat earth theory has been talked about by writers such as Samuel Rowbotham, Voliva and Shenton. It is a stationary geocentric earth model.

Gravitational Theory

Gravity is caused by mass and creates a finite pull.

Infinite Finite Gravitational Pull and Gauss' Law

American Flat Earth President John Davis and forum administrator jroa came up with the formulation of the gravitational pull of an infinite plane. It follows Gauss's Law for gravitation which states that an infinite slab or plane will have a finite gravitational pull equal to 2π G p h where G is the gravitational constant, p is density, and h is the depth of the slab. As we can see horizontal forces "cancel" out and we are left with a converging sum for vertical components.

The mathematical formulation of this is as follows:


From Infinite Flat Earth

Note that the "Infinite Flat Earth" relies on Newtonian Gravitation. But then in "the FAQ" we have

What Is Gravity?

Gravity as a theory is false. Objects simply fall.

In the flat earth community there are several theories as to why this happens. Some attempt to explain this with use of mechanics like electromagnetism, density, or pressure. Others make use of traditional mathematics, such as the infinite plane model, and others a new look at the problem - such as the non-euclidean model.

What is certain is sphere earth gravity is not tenable in any way shape or form.

But this dreaded "sphere earth gravity" that "is not tenable in any way shape or form" is simply Newtonian Gravitation.

You work it out! You maybe see what I mean by claiming that there is no coherent Flat Earth Theory - and that's only a bit of it.

You know, I, as well as you, think the earth is most likely an oblate spheroid right?

Cause a lot of the time it seems like you don't.

You know, I, as well as you, think the earth is most likely an oblate spheroid right?

Cause a lot of the time it seems like you don't.

I know for sure that the earth is within a hundred metre or so of being "an oblate spheroid".
But, it pays to know as much as possible about "the other side" and I think I know as much about "Flat Earth Theory" as most FEers.

If you don't know this sort of thing you find yourself claiming the all the distances on the AEP are wrong, as someone pops up (like Junker did) and claims that the AEP is not "the official map!".

Or maybe you are claiming that UA is ridiculous and John Davis comes along and claims that he knows that, and then presents his "Infinite Earth model".
Or you try to prove that the sun is not 3,000 miles (or whatever) above the earth and Ski and/or jroa jump in to say that nobody believes that anymore!

I really don't think that anyone knows the "continental layout", the cause of gravity, the height of the sun etc, etc on the Flat Earth.
There are three or four "maps" and probably as many explanations for gravity including "Objects simply fall."

Etc, etc ad nauseum! It is a bit like trying to debate an octopus with one arm not knowing what all the others are doing.

Yes, I know what I believe and why. The little bit that I present here is just the tip of the iceberg.
The heliocentric model came about from astronomical observations, not from observation on the earth itself.