The Shipping Crate Experiment

Oh okay. I'm sure you can explain then how refraction would cause a telescope to remove or add said refraction?

Why would it add or remove refraction?  Better question is why do you think it would add or remove refraction?

Quote from: John Davis on November 04, 2019, 08:08:45 AM

Oh okay. I'm sure you can explain then how refraction would cause a telescope to remove or add said refraction?

Why would it add or remove refraction?  Better question is why do you think it would add or remove refraction?

Because I'm aware of the experiment in question.

Quote from: Gumwars on November 05, 2019, 07:17:43 PM

Quote from: John Davis on November 04, 2019, 08:08:45 AM

Oh okay. I'm sure you can explain then how refraction would cause a telescope to remove or add said refraction?

Why would it add or remove refraction?  Better question is why do you think it would add or remove refraction?

Because I'm aware of the experiment in question.

If you are referring to either the Bedford Level experiment or the Bishop experiment I would say that refraction was highly important and a telescope would neither add or remove refraction.
This is especially so as both were performed very close to the surface of the water and the western coast of California is renowned for its cold ocean water welling up from deep Pacific Ocean currents.

Quote from: Gumwars on November 05, 2019, 07:17:43 PM

Quote from: John Davis on November 04, 2019, 08:08:45 AM

Oh okay. I'm sure you can explain then how refraction would cause a telescope to remove or add said refraction?

Why would it add or remove refraction?  Better question is why do you think it would add or remove refraction?

Because I'm aware of the experiment in question.

Oh for God's sake, that really is a non answer.

If this experiment is such great evidence for a flat earth, why are you so reluctant to say what the results were, or what conclusions your drew from them?

Quote from: Gumwars on November 05, 2019, 07:17:43 PM

Quote from: John Davis on November 04, 2019, 08:08:45 AM

Oh okay. I'm sure you can explain then how refraction would cause a telescope to remove or add said refraction?

Why would it add or remove refraction?  Better question is why do you think it would add or remove refraction?

Because I'm aware of the experiment in question.

John, do you ever or have you ever actually answered a question?  You respond a-plenty but you rarely if ever actually answer.  I feel like I'm interacting with a slightly more sophisticated Eliza program...

John, do you ever or have you ever actually answered a question?  You respond a-plenty but you rarely if ever actually answer.  I feel like I'm interacting with a slightly more sophisticated Eliza program...

Is that like Alexa?  Does it have different names in different countries?

Satan goes by many names...

Edit:  Ah crap.  Forgot which thread I was on.

Quote from: Gumwars on November 08, 2019, 04:07:01 PM

John, do you ever or have you ever actually answered a question?  You respond a-plenty but you rarely if ever actually answer.  I feel like I'm interacting with a slightly more sophisticated Eliza program...

Is that like Alexa?  Does it have different names in different countries?

Satan goes by many names...

Edit:  Ah crap.  Forgot which thread I was on.

Lol, I think my age is showing...

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/ELIZA

Quote from: Unconvinced on November 08, 2019, 04:14:03 PM

Quote from: Gumwars on November 08, 2019, 04:07:01 PM

John, do you ever or have you ever actually answered a question?  You respond a-plenty but you rarely if ever actually answer.  I feel like I'm interacting with a slightly more sophisticated Eliza program...

Is that like Alexa?  Does it have different names in different countries?

Satan goes by many names...

Edit:  Ah crap.  Forgot which thread I was on.

Lol, I think my age is showing...

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/ELIZA

Yay!  Before my time.

Does that make me cool and down with the kids again?  I was starting to think I’d lost it, so thanks.

Quote from: Gumwars on November 08, 2019, 04:24:34 PM

Quote from: Unconvinced on November 08, 2019, 04:14:03 PM

Quote from: Gumwars on November 08, 2019, 04:07:01 PM

John, do you ever or have you ever actually answered a question?  You respond a-plenty but you rarely if ever actually answer.  I feel like I'm interacting with a slightly more sophisticated Eliza program...

Is that like Alexa?  Does it have different names in different countries?

Satan goes by many names...

Edit:  Ah crap.  Forgot which thread I was on.

Lol, I think my age is showing...

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/ELIZA

Yay!  Before my time.

Does that make me cool and down with the kids again?  I was starting to think I’d lost it, so thanks.

You're welcome...I think?

The way that can be named, is not the Way.

The way that can be named, is not the Way.

What is a good man, but a bad man's teacher.

Quote from: John Davis on November 08, 2019, 08:27:02 PM

The way that can be named, is not the Way.

What is a good man, but a bad man's teacher.

A fool. He is a fool. Show me the good man, and I'll give you an answer. Likewise for the bad man...

When you deconstruct the other, and the beyond it becomes quickly obvious - we are not where we seem to be. The falcon may not hear the falconer - but he hears the echos. The bits that tie to concordance. To rationality. He strives to make order out of nonsense - it is our task as man. We make so called order out of so called chaos.

Quote from: Gumwars on November 08, 2019, 08:27:57 PM

Quote from: John Davis on November 08, 2019, 08:27:02 PM

The way that can be named, is not the Way.

What is a good man, but a bad man's teacher.

A fool. He is a fool. Show me the good man, and I'll give you an answer. Likewise for the bad man...

I don't recall that in Lao Tze's teachings.  Nor do I believe your quote from the Tao Te Ching keeping with his intent.  Show me a anyone that is willing to recognize his own failings, all of them in a row, and I'll say he is not a fool, but a man. 

This exercise here isn't to make order out of nonsense.  It's the opposite.  You don't work to find order; you are an agent of chaos.  You claim all the trappings of a man born of logic and wisdom yet this entire voyage is an affront to it. 

You may have good works in the real world John Davis, but not here.  Here is a room full of the jester and his lot. 

I have no works; the work is done.

Have you not played the part well...

Glad to see the reflective, introspective you is equally devoid of substance.

Quote from: John Davis on November 08, 2019, 08:32:35 PM

Quote from: Gumwars on November 08, 2019, 08:27:57 PM

Quote from: John Davis on November 08, 2019, 08:27:02 PM

The way that can be named, is not the Way.

What is a good man, but a bad man's teacher.

A fool. He is a fool. Show me the good man, and I'll give you an answer. Likewise for the bad man...

I don't recall that in Lao Tze's teachings.  Nor do I believe your quote from the Tao Te Ching keeping with his intent.  Show me a anyone that is willing to recognize his own failings, all of them in a row, and I'll say he is not a fool, but a man. 

This exercise here isn't to make order out of nonsense.  It's the opposite.  You don't work to find order; you are an agent of chaos.  You claim all the trappings of a man born of logic and wisdom yet this entire voyage is an affront to it. 

You may have good works in the real world John Davis, but not here.  Here is a room full of the jester and his lot. 

I'm sorry, it just can't be named. I have tried.

Have you not played the part well...

Glad to see the reflective, introspective you is equally devoid of substance.

oh my, fru fru, fra fra.

The substance you define to facts might be better served as evidence.

Quote from: Gumwars on November 08, 2019, 08:54:01 PM

Have you not played the part well...

Glad to see the reflective, introspective you is equally devoid of substance.

oh my, fru fru, fra fra.

The substance you define to facts might be better served as evidence.

In this kangaroo court?  By all means prosecutor, do your worst.

Oh walla waLLA!

I think that Bullhorn hacked John's account.  Either that or John got into Bullhorn's drug supply.

Quote from: Unconvinced on November 08, 2019, 04:14:03 PM

Quote from: Gumwars on November 08, 2019, 04:07:01 PM

John, do you ever or have you ever actually answered a question?  You respond a-plenty but you rarely if ever actually answer.  I feel like I'm interacting with a slightly more sophisticated Eliza program...

Is that like Alexa?  Does it have different names in different countries?

Satan goes by many names...

Edit:  Ah crap.  Forgot which thread I was on.

Lol, I think my age is showing...

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/ELIZA

Heiwa is closer to being ELIZA. He's been accused of it multiple times in the past.