How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #240 on: May 02, 2017, 03:15:53 PM »


The link above is of a private weather baloon launch tp 35 km. It uses 120 degree wide angle lense, and when that distortion is accounted for, there is no curve at all.

Care to explain?
Well, for starters, that is only 35 km, not 35 000 km.

Oops my mistake, typo!

I am just wondering why shifter seems to think that a satellite orbits that height and takes pictures of the "pretty neat" curve.

To do it honestly, you nee to know where the centre of the lens is and a bunch of details about the lens.
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LOL how is that a typo! You seriously went to the effort of looking for and posting a YouTube clip of something only 35km. I give you some marks for the attempted back track but you still utterly failed. Thanks for the 'own goal' lol

The satellite orbits at 35,000KM. It is a weather satellite. It wouldn't do much good 'orbiting' at 35km lol

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #241 on: May 02, 2017, 03:27:48 PM »
Well is it 12 km give or take or not...simple question that you keep avoiding giving an answer to....why is that?

Depends on FOV. If you need more assistance with this simple concept, I would suggest that you go back and read the thread again to clear up your obvious misunderstanding.

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #242 on: May 02, 2017, 03:48:51 PM »


The link above is of a private weather baloon launch tp 35 km. It uses 120 degree wide angle lense, and when that distortion is accounted for, there is no curve at all.

Care to explain?
Well, for starters, that is only 35 km, not 35 000 km.

Oops my mistake, typo!
No. It isn't a typo.
Weather balloons rarely (if ever) get to space.
That one went to 114000 feet.
That is roughly 35 km. So not even half way to "space" using the simple definition of 100 km.

Geostationary satellites, like numerous weather satellites like the GEOS family and Himawari family are in a geostationary orbit, at an altitude of roughly 36 000 km above Earth's equator.

So you are dealing with 2 very different altitudes.

I am just wondering why shifter seems to think that a satellite orbits that height and takes pictures of the "pretty neat" curve.
Because they don't orbit at that height.
They orbit much higher.
They orbit at 35 000 km, not 35 km.

At 0 km, Earth takes up 180 degrees of your FOV (just dealing with 2D for simplicity).
The exact equation to figure out how much it takes up is theta=2*asin(r/(r+h)), where r is the radius of Earth and h is your altitude above it).

So at 0 km you have 2*asin(r/r)=180 degrees. For the rest, I will take r to be 6371 km.
At 35 km you have 2*asin(6371/(6371+35)=168 degrees, still a very large angle which will produce significant distortion for any lens to view it all.
At 35 000 km, you have 2*asin(6371/(6371+35000))=18 degrees. A much smaller angle, which will allow you to take an image of Earth quite clearly without any significant distortion.

To do it honestly, you nee to know where the centre of the lens is and a bunch of details about the lens.
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No. Not stalling, not a shill, just pointing out a flaw in your analysis.

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #243 on: May 02, 2017, 04:36:53 PM »
My mistake!

But it proves nothing.

And my question still stands.

How high do I need to go to see the curve of Earth?

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #244 on: May 02, 2017, 04:40:52 PM »
It proves you cant read if you compare the view from a satellite 35,000KM in space with one that is 35KM in the sky and thinking you have 'caught me out' saying 'care to explain?' lol The explanation is simple. You are a fruit loop who cant read

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #245 on: May 02, 2017, 05:24:09 PM »
It proves that I am human and I make mistakes.

Unlike Rabinoz and his gang of shills, I will admit when I am wrong.

But like I said. My question still stands.

All the answers that have been stated are wildy different, suggesting an ill understanding of the subject.

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #246 on: May 02, 2017, 05:39:07 PM »
If you could read and apply a little basic math with a formula that has already been provided you could work it out

So at 0 km you have 2*asin(r/r)=180 degrees. For the rest, I will take r to be 6371 km.
At 35 km you have 2*asin(6371/(6371+35)=168 degrees, still a very large angle which will produce significant distortion for any lens to view it all.
At 35 000 km, you have 2*asin(6371/(6371+35000))=18 degrees. A much smaller angle, which will allow you to take an image of Earth quite clearly without any significant distortion.


Even at 35km I would still question the extent of the curvature if taken by a camera lens but if that was you sitting atop of 35km with your own 3D vision and field of view you could notice a slight curvature.

At 12km, there would be some curve present but may be so slight, your personal bias could get in the way. A flat earther would insist it is still flat and a round earther would be like 'I can see a little curve!!'

Obviously at 35,000km you can see a dramatic curve. Picture or real life :) The whole earth is in view yet you can only see 'half' of it. A flat earth would see every country at the same time



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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #247 on: May 02, 2017, 07:02:13 PM »
Hahahaha are you trying to say that what i plan on doing is groundbreaking research? So i need to program a simulation in order to tell me how high the alleged curve of earth will be seen at? Why isnt it a definitive number given by NASA and their team of Nazis!?
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They should know exactly how much line I need and the fact that that answer is not available, is just another pointer towards the truth of flat Earth.
Don't be ridiculous why "should know exactly how much line I need"? What an idiotic thought!
NASA's task has nothing to do with telling you "how long is a piece of string"! Go ask your Grandmother.

There are at least two ways of observing curvature.
The "obvious one" is to simply see the curve in the horizon across the field of view. The problem with this is that the Globe is huge and this view is looking a part of a circle from a very shallow angle.
From 30,000 feet the horizon is about 210 miles away and 3° below horizontal and seeing a curve is very "subjective".
From 45,000 feet the horizon is about 260 miles away and 4.8° below horizontal so some curve can be seen as in
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Show me the Curvature... Here it is. Wolfie6020
But, I've shown this before.

Then from anywhere above sea-level, there is a small "dip angle" from the local horizontal to the horizon.
From below a thousand feet above sea-level or so this angle is so small that a surveyor's level is needed to measure it accurately.
But, from tens of thousands of feet, this "dip angle angle to the horizon" becomes large enough to measure with something as common as a level "app" on any smart phone. This video illustrates what can be seen:

Ocean Sunrise at 45,000 ft provides more evidence of Horizon drop. Wolfie6020
There is plenty of evidence that there really is curvature. But
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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #248 on: May 03, 2017, 02:17:37 AM »
My mistake!

But it proves nothing.

And my question still stands.

How high do I need to go to see the curve of Earth?
No. It has been addressed, ages ago.
It will depend upon your FOV, and exactly what is meant by the curve of Earth, and the specifics of your eye/lens/camera you are using.

If you want to see it, get a fish eye lens (or one with a FOV >=180 degrees) and point it straight down.

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #249 on: May 03, 2017, 07:57:30 PM »
Hahahaha

"If you want to see the curve of Earth, get a fish eye lens..." - Jackblack

Classic...

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #250 on: May 04, 2017, 12:39:35 AM »
Hahahaha

"If you want to see the curve of Earth, get a fish eye lens..." - Jackblack

Classic...
And now care to do an honest response?

That is what the curve of Earth is, the horizon, which is a circle below you.
Are you saying that isn't a circle?

Remember, with a FE, the only possible horizon would be either a blur, or the edge of Earth.

So yes, that horizon, all around in a circle, is the curve of Earth.

So perhaps you should clarify want you want when you ask how high you have to go to see the curve of Earth.

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #251 on: May 04, 2017, 02:45:02 PM »
Well is it 12 km give or take or not...simple question that you keep avoiding giving an answer to....why is that?

Depends on FOV. If you need more assistance with this simple concept, I would suggest that you go back and read the thread again to clear up your obvious misunderstanding.

You really have a fov fixation.....were you hit on the head as a child with 600mm f5.6?( they can be pretty heavy) Or possibly had a bad experience with a 100mm f2.8.....but you remind me of a f0.75lens I had a look at recently,fixed in its view, totally shallow and a bit soft to say the least.

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #252 on: May 05, 2017, 12:37:16 PM »
I've wondered this.  If we could land on the moon in the early 70's and given the SUBSTANTIAL rate at which technology advances, and the fact that we can allegedly see images from millions of light years away, why haven't we landed on Mars yet?  It's been over 40 years and we haven't been to Mars, haven't been to Venus, have shown little interest in going back to the moon to build stations capable of providing earth like conditions (farms, systems capable of producing water, etc.).

All the images of the planets look fake imo.  What does NASA have to gain by lying?  Money and money equals power.  All the people claiming for certain that the earth is round, yet not one has been to space, they are all relying on fake, CGI looking images from NASA.  Yet you get called a loony tune for questioning the idea with no proof.....while those who believe otherwise only have proof offered by others as "their irrefutable evidence". 

What happened to Branson's trips to the moon?  Why couldn't his rocket make it up there, I mean we've been able to go up there for over 40 years (allegedly) yet it's not a common place tourist money generator in this day and age when money making schemes are a dime a dozen?   


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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #253 on: May 05, 2017, 04:57:58 PM »
I've wondered this.  If we could land on the moon in the early 70's and given the SUBSTANTIAL rate at which technology advances, and the fact that we can allegedly see images from millions of light years away, why haven't we landed on Mars yet?  It's been over 40 years and we haven't been to Mars, haven't been to Venus, have shown little interest in going back to the moon to build stations capable of providing earth like conditions (farms, systems capable of producing water, etc.).
Because the moon is relatively close, and will take a fairly short time to get there. (it is roughly 400 000 km away).
On the other hand, mars is much further away. At closest approach it is roughly 78 million km away.
A journey to the moon takes a relatively short amount of time to get to the moon, only a few days.
A journey to mars takes far longer, roughly 9 months, or even more.

When they get to the moon, they can then leave and come back to Earth, with the entire mission taking no more than 2 weeks. The entire Apollo 11 mission took 8 days, just over a week.
In contrast a mission to mars and back would take much longer.

There is a more complex relationship between the positions of Earth and Mars as there is between the moon and Earth.
The moon just orbits Earth, so you can come and go as you please, with no "windows" for launch.
Mars and Earth both orbit the sun. This means there will be times where they are close, and times where they are much further apart. This creates launch windows. If you miss these windows the travel between these planets will be insanely long and would likely need to be powered.
The bigger issue is the windows don't align nicely.
You can't fly to mars, stay for a few days and fly back.
If you could, then the entire mission would take roughly 18 months, or 1.5 years.
In reality, after flying to mars, you would need to wait for over a year (almost 2 I think) to have a window open for you to fly back.
That means the total mission time would be something more like 3.5 years.

This means they need to carry provisions (or everything required to make the provisions) for 3.5 years or roughly 1250 days. A 24 hour ration pack weighs around 1 kg, and that is for 1 person.
So the food alone would be an enourmous weight.
You will also need shielding to protect from the radiation from the sun, as well as all the fuel for your trip there and back.

And there are issues with isolation as communication between mars and Earth takes several minutes.

This creates massive issues with a trip to Mars.

All the images of the planets look fake imo.
And in my opinion, they don't. There is no reason for me to think they are CGI, with the exception of the model of the globe which is stitched together and pictures produced from that model.

What does NASA have to gain by lying?  Money and money equals power.
And that is just a load of crap.
The money NASA gets is spent on various things like shuttles, satellites etc. Even if you claim they are fake, they are still launching things and spending a lot of money, so there wouldn't be much (if any) money left.

All the people claiming for certain that the earth is round, yet not one has been to space, they are all relying on fake, CGI looking images from NASA.
No. They aren't.
You don't need to go to space to know Earth is round.
The Ancient Greeks figured it out long before space flight.

Even on Earth you can observe the effects of the curvature.
For example, the mere existence of the horizon proves Earth is round.
If Earth is flat, the horizon would either be the edge of Earth, such that you would be able to see everything (at least with a good enough telescope), or it would be a blur as the atmosphere scatters/absorbs light to the point where you can no longer make out shapes.
But instead, we see a relatively close horizon as a clear line.

That alone is proof Earth is round.

Not only that, we see other effects of curvature, like things disappearing from the bottom up as the distance between you and them grow.
That only happens because Earth starts to get in the way and blocks the view to the bottom of the object.

Then we have the stars (including the sun), and the moon.
Their apparent position and size only makes sense on a round Earth.
For example, you have 2 celestial poles, one due north, one due south, always 180 degrees apart. All the stars in the north appear to circle the north celestial pole, in a circle, not an ellipse as you would expect on a flat Earth for anywhere except one location.
All the stars in the south appear to circle the south celestial pole. These are 2 points. Always located 180 degrees apart (although in some cases such as very far north or very far south you cannot see the effect from the opposite one clearly, and away from the equator you can't actually see both points, but can still see the stars moving in at least part of a circle).
This is physically impossible on any flat surface. This is because it requires you to draw 2 straight lines that are not co-linear (so they are centred at different positions on Earth) with 2 points of intersection (one due north, one due south, 180 degrees apart).
But this is physically impossible.
On a flat surface any 2 lines will either not intersect at all for any finite distance(or intersect at infinite distance, which we know is impossible as we can get to the north and south pole) in which case they are parallel; they will intersect infinitely many times in which case they are co-linear/the same line, or they will intersect once.
In no case do you get 2 lines intersecting exactly twice at some finite distance.

This also applies to the sun.
In the FE model it circles above Earth between the tropics. But that would mean for a place south of the tropics (in the southern hemisphere) the sun would always appear to the north. In reality however during their summer the sun rises south east and sets south west as it circles the south celestial pole.

There are other issues as well. The sun does not apparently change size during the day (when glare is removed), nor based upon where you are on Earth. This means it remains roughly the same distance away at all times (and thus should always be at roughly the same angle). Again, this is impossible with a flat Earth, where it allegedly sets while it is directly overhead somewhere else.
Let the distance between the sun and Earth be h.
When the sun is directly overhead it is a distance of h.
When it is directly overhead some point a distance d away from you along the surface of Earth, it would be a total distance of sqrt(h^2+d^2).
The only way for that to work is if d is tiny compared to h.

But we can also calculate the angle to the sun, it is given by tan(theta)=h/d.
If d is tiny compared to h, this will always be roughly infinite and thus theta will always be roughly 90 degrees.
But that isn't the case. Instead the sun sets below the horizon.

You can try calculating the height of the sun on Earth by constructing triangles.
If you do this during the equinox with the sun directly overhead a point on the equator and a point 45 degrees north or south, due north or south of the point on the equator, you get a height of roughly 5000 km, and the sun should be significantly different in size.
If you try it with the equator and the north pole (or south pole), you get a height of 0 km.
You can likewise do it with 45 degrees north and the north pole and get roughly 0 km above a location very close to 45 degrees north.

It is completely inconsistent, further showing a flat Earth is impossible.

You can also do the inverse and look at where it should set/be.
Sticking to the equinox, and the equator, when the sun is half way around the world, at mid night, at its furthest away position and thus lowest apparent position, it is 20 000 km away along Earth and still 5000 km high. This means it should be at an angle of roughly 14 degrees. Instead it went below the horizon 6 hours earlier when it was much closer.

Then there is the issue of direction of sunrise and sunset.
On the equinox, the sun rises due east for everyone and sets due west. Again, this is impossible with the FE model.
For the FE model it should be rising NE on the equator, only approaching due east at the pole, and as you go south it goes further and further north.

There is the issue of the path of the sun during the equinox.
It is always somewhere directly over the equator. For any point along the equator, the sun traces an arc, rising due east, going directly overhead, and setting due west.
Also, the apparent speed (or angular speed) remains constant and that is constant for all points on the equator. This indicates that it is not a straight line by an arc or circular section.
When you combine these from numerous points on the equator, you end up with the sun circling the equator, in the same plane as the equator.
This shows the equator is a circle, with the curve of the circle being up down, not north-south or east west.
So again, this shows Earth is round, at best a cylinder.

You have the phases of the moon and eclipses. These only make sense in a RE model with a very distant sun with the spherical moon reflecting the light of the sun.

You then have other things like laser ring gyroscopes or Foucault's pendulum which show Earth is a spinning sphere.

So no, there is plenty of proof/evidence without going to space.

Yet you get called a loony tune for questioning the idea with no proof.....while those who believe otherwise only have proof offered by others as "their irrefutable evidence".
That is somewhat true. You get called a loony for questioning an idea and providing another without providing any proof or evidence of your alternative, and without showing why Earth isn't round.
All the evidence either indicates Earth is round, or doesn't side either way.
There is not a single shred of evidence which indicates Earth is flat rather than round.

If you think there is evidence for Earth being flat, provide it.
If you think all the above isn't evidence for Earth being round, explain why.
Although I recommend starting a new thread for that rather than doing it here.

Otherwise, if you are just calling all the evidence as lies and CGI and providing either absolutely nothing or just childish crap to back up your claims, you will be thought of as a loony.

What happened to Branson's trips to the moon?  Why couldn't his rocket make it up there, I mean we've been able to go up there for over 40 years (allegedly) yet it's not a common place tourist money generator in this day and age when money making schemes are a dime a dozen?   
When did Branson try to go to the moon? There would be very few tourists willing to spend the money to go to the moon.
And when they already have so many money making schemes, why start this insanely expensive one?

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #254 on: May 07, 2017, 03:08:43 PM »
Currently there's a silly rule that prevents us from biologically contaminating places we visit. So we cant go to Mars because heaven forbid a bacteria survives the trip and conditions of Mars.

I say, we seed every viable place in the solar system and beyond! Mars needs to be transformed sooner or later. Anyone who goes to Mars needs a plan to survive it. Not a plan to come back. If you go to Mars, consider yourself a pioneer and work to make the environment successfully better for each group of travellers so that some day, it will be a great place to live.

For some reason, there are no shortage of people desperate for a trip to Mars, even if it is a one way trip and their chance of survival getting to the planet are extremely low and the chances of survival for any meaningful length of time on the planet, are even lower


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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #255 on: June 17, 2017, 09:55:41 PM »
Blah blah blah, the last post even dealing with my question was obsessing over camera technology. I asked how high a human eye would need to be to perceive a curve.

But I know how high. Impossibly high. Because Earth is not a globe!

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #256 on: June 18, 2017, 12:17:51 AM »
Arealhumanbeing why don't you at least TRY to sound like your not trolling? Obvious troll is obvious

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #257 on: June 18, 2017, 01:01:23 AM »
Blah blah blah, the last post even dealing with my question was obsessing over camera technology. I asked how high a human eye would need to be to perceive a curve.

But I know how high. Impossibly high. Because Earth is not a globe!
Try acting like a A real human being sometimes, instead of being your usual real nasty creep.
You never know, others might treat you better.

But on seeing curvature, I can't help you if you simply ignore the evidence.

I showed you this before and got it thrown back in my teeth, I'll try again  ;D ;D and send you the dental bill!  ;D ;D

There are at least two ways of observing curvature.
The "obvious one" is to simply see the curve in the horizon across the field of view. The problem with this is that the Globe is huge and this view is looking a part of a circle from a very shallow angle.
From 30,000 feet the horizon is about 210 miles away and 3° below horizontal and seeing a curve is very "subjective".
From 45,000 feet the horizon is about 260 miles away and 4.8° below horizontal so some curve can be seen as in
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Show me the Curvature... Here it is. Wolfie6020
But, I've shown this before.

Then from anywhere above sea-level, there is a small "dip angle" from the local horizontal to the horizon.
From below a thousand feet above sea-level or so this angle is so small that a surveyor's level is needed to measure it accurately.
But, from tens of thousands of feet, this "dip angle angle to the horizon" becomes large enough to measure with something as common as a level "app" on any smart phone. This video illustrates what can be seen:

Ocean Sunrise at 45,000 ft provides more evidence of Horizon drop. Wolfie6020
There is plenty of evidence that there really is curvature. But
"There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See"

Unless you, yourself get on a plane that flies above say 45,000 ft, there's not much I can do.
:o :o Don't blame me, I didn't make the Globe so large!  :o :o

Bye bye, have a nice day!

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #258 on: June 18, 2017, 01:25:49 AM »
Blah blah blah, the last post even dealing with my question was obsessing over camera technology. I asked how high a human eye would need to be to perceive a curve.

But I know how high. Impossibly high. Because Earth is not a globe!
Really? You seemed to indicate you wanted it for a weather balloon, at one point you even suggested kinds of cameras.
Regardless, it has already been answered, it will depend on your perception and FOV and what you view it through.

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #259 on: June 18, 2017, 07:12:52 AM »
You kn ow, when you think about it. The higher up you go, the more the curvature should disappear on a globe.

Think about standing on the ground with a telescope levelled horizontally.
Ok, so we can basically be told the horizon is ahead and curvature cannot be seen like this.

So we go up to the top of a huge sky scraper and set up the telescope in the same level horizontal manner.

We should be looking at the sky and not even a horizon.....Why?

Because the higher up you go, the more you start to lean back due to supposedly being on a sphere.
But we know this does not happen and we see the horizon which totally kills off a downward curve and thus kills off the nonsense globe.

Actually, if you did try this you will notice that the horizon will dip a tiny fraction of a degree.  You cant notice it with your eyes, because 1. its a tiny fraction and 2. Is your head calibrated to find perfect level?

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #260 on: June 18, 2017, 12:32:11 PM »




Here, Wolfie shows you evidence of curvature from ground level. 

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« Reply #261 on: June 19, 2017, 12:04:44 AM »
I've wondered this.  If we could land on the moon in the early 70's and given the SUBSTANTIAL rate at which technology advances, and the fact that we can allegedly see images from millions of light years away, why haven't we landed on Mars yet?  It's been over 40 years and we haven't been to Mars, haven't been to Venus, have shown little interest in going back to the moon to build stations capable of providing earth like conditions (farms, systems capable of producing water, etc.).

Expensive and pointless.  That's why we send machines.

A dude in a space bag pressing 'go' on an experiment is no different than a studge in Houston doing the same thing.

Putting a man in the spacecraft makes the mission 'keep the man alive'. No longer a science mission.
Science becomes secondary. Nobody gives two f's about a dead R/C car.





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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #262 on: June 19, 2017, 07:04:12 AM »
You can see it's curved while still  standing on it.    If I stand at the end of a spit of land,  so that the open sea is on both  sides of me as  well as in front of me,  I can  see I am on  a straight line between  the horizon on my left  and the horizon on my right.    A straight  line is the shortest  distance between two points...   The  point where the straight line intersects the horizon on my right,  and the point where it intersects the horizon on my left.
If you  have trouble picturing the straight line (some people do find geometry difficult) you can outstretch your arms left  and right to point a finger at each of the two intersection  points.
Now  look at the horizon  between these two points.. It's  as far away in  front of you as it is to the sides..  It's a  large semicircle.   This is the curved surface of the earth being visible from the ground.

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Arealhumanbeing

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #263 on: June 21, 2017, 09:46:05 PM »
Lets give trillions of dollars to space science while people starve all around the world.

Science? Or satan?

What have space discoveries yeilded mankind except fancy pens and velcro?

My initial question was with a camera on a balloon, i since changed it to the human eye in a balloon because the trolls on here got confused by camera types.

Read da thread bruh.

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #264 on: June 22, 2017, 02:23:57 AM »
Lets give trillions of dollars to space science while people starve all around the world.
I would hardly say it gets trillions. Not unless you are planning on adding up all the money it has ever received.
But they give far more in foreign aid.

The issue with starving people is not the money or even the food, it is getting it to them, especially with corrupt governments that would just take it and terrorist states.
But if the west tried to intervene and wipe them out people would still complain.

Science? Or satan?
Science, definitely science.

What have space discoveries yeilded mankind except fancy pens and velcro?
How about GPS, a method of navigation used all over the world?
Including for things like search and rescue operations to save lives?

What about communication satellites which can also be used in the saving of lives as well as other purposes.

What about all the weather satellites used to assist making weather predictions?

My initial question was with a camera on a balloon, i since changed it to the human eye in a balloon because the trolls on here got confused by camera types.
And as I pointed out, that can have even more variability and issues of human perception.

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #265 on: June 22, 2017, 03:12:10 AM »
Lets give trillions of dollars to space science while people starve all around the world.

Science? Or satan?
Next time you go buy a ticket to movie/new video game/you name it. Post it here and I'll post you back pictures of poor and hungry child from Africa. Then I suppose I can call you Satan.

Things are a bit more complicated than you pose them.
FET is religion. No evidence will convince a FE-er. It would be easier to convince Muslims they are wrong.

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #266 on: June 22, 2017, 05:36:00 AM »
Lets give trillions of dollars to space science the industrial war complex while people starve all around the world.

Science? Or satan?
Good question.

What have space discoveries yeilded mankind except fancy pens and velcro?
Undeniable evidence that man made carbon emissions are causing more frequent and severe droughts that are causing even more people to starve.

My initial question was with a camera on a balloon, i since changed it to the human eye in a balloon because the trolls on here got confused by camera types.

Read da thread bruh.
GoPro type cameras have been on rockets and high altitude balloons for many, many years.  What would make an FE launched camera any more valid than an RE launched camera?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #267 on: June 22, 2017, 05:43:47 AM »
My initial question was with a camera on a balloon, i since changed it to the human eye in a balloon because the trolls on here got confused by camera types.
Might I suggest that a good place for you, Mr Arealhumanbeing, might be about 100 km up, without any life support.
I am sure that you would see plenty of curvature there for about 10 seconds
but about 3 minutes later you would no longer be a  :'( Alivehumanbeing  :'(.
Have a nice day.  ;D Don't start any revolutions that I wouldn't start!  ;D

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #268 on: June 22, 2017, 06:14:38 AM »
Lets give trillions of dollars to space science while people starve all around the world.

Science? Or satan?

What have space discoveries yeilded mankind except fancy pens and velcro?

My initial question was with a camera on a balloon, i since changed it to the human eye in a balloon because the trolls on here got confused by camera types.

Read da thread bruh.

Lets give trillions of dollars to churches and religion while people starve all around the world.

also lets kill, torture, bully and suppress people in the name of religion.

more people get killed thru religion than thru science.
science even develops cures for diseases. also they develop stuff in space that helps people.

when was the last time that a religions person developed based on a religion a cure for a disease?

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Re: How high do I have to go to see the curve of Earth?
« Reply #269 on: June 22, 2017, 06:31:17 AM »
Oh, religion in general no matter Christianity or Islam is cancer on the Globe. But it's a bit off-topic here.
FET is religion. No evidence will convince a FE-er. It would be easier to convince Muslims they are wrong.