Yes, they have come up, several times, such as when FEers make posts about them and get refuted, or when REers ask questions and have them ignored.
Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claim?
You are the one making outlandish claims here, indicating there is evidence for a FE, and we just need to look for it.
Do you have any evidence to back up yours?
As for mine, how about these threads:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62695.0https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=61420.0All the FEers appear to be able to do is spout nonsense.
Now where is your evidence?
No one has provided evidence for lunar eclipses which is compatible with a FE model.
How is that relevant to this thread? Maybe you should go back and read the topic. If you need any help with it, just ask
It isn't. Not my fault that a FE derailed the thread by asserting nonsense like there being evidence for a FE.
Why are you round earthers so entitled? You do know that no one here actually owes you anything, right?
We aren't entitled, we will just keep pointing out your bullshit until you can address the massive problems with it.
Pot, meet kettle. You are actually the arrogant one, as is evidenced by your posting behavior thus far. You can't seem to stay on topic. All you are doing is demanding answers from unnamed people about things that aren't being discussed in this thread. Do you really not see how ridiculous that is?
No. I am not just discussing this thread at the moment. I am discussing the entire forum/FE community.
I am demanding answers for serious problems with the FE model which shows it does not match reality.
No one said it directly, but if I take you to have honestly answered/responded to/represented my comment, you seem to think it is.
You told me to lurk more, and then when I said I didn't want to, you acted as if I had said I don't want to research.
There is a lot of assumption in this assertion of yours. Maybe try asking questions next time so you don't come off as looking so foolish.
I'm not the one looking foolish here.
I said I'm not just going to lurk and wait for you guys to provide evidence, and instead will call you out on your nonsense.
That in no way indicates I am not willing to research. If anything it indicates I have done the research to know that FE is nonsense.
The only assumption there was that your response was honest. Don't worry, I won't make the same mistake again.
Your behavior thus far has shown an unwillingness to perform research. I am sorry if that bothers you, but it is simply the truth.
No. It isn't the truth. It is blatant lie so you can try and dismiss people.
If you really think my behaviour has shown an unwillingness to perform research, feel free to explain.
Feel free to apply those skills anytime, then, because you haven't thus far. You entire diatribe up to this point is more suited for the Angry Ranting forum.
That is because I don't want to de-rail this thread too far by pointing out all the problems with a FE, which show that the FE model can't match reality.
If you go and look in other threads you will see it.
I know that no FE model can adequately account for so many things it isn't funny.
I would suggest doing some actual research, then.
I have. Perhaps you should try it some time?
The only one which works is one where instead of curving Earth, they curve space.
Are you suggesting space(time) doesn't curve (bend)?
Not enough to make a flat Earth match reality.
The curvature of space around Earth is so tiny it isn't funny.
I would suggest looking up the definition of the word, then coming back. Hopefully you will see that you actually are, and then maybe you will stop.
Nope. I no what it means. I know I am not the one projecting here.
I never said you personally did. I merely pointed out that FEers did so repeatedly.
Where? In this thread? Do you know what the topic is?
All over the place, such as the FAQ:
What Is Some Of The Evidence You Have?
There are several readily apparent proofs of the planets flatness. The horizon always rises to meet eye level - which is impossible on a ball earth. The surfaces of bodies of water has been shown to be level. If the Earth was a Globe, this would not be the case. There is no visible curvature to the horizon even from airplanes. We don't even have a full shot of the Earth rotating from space! One almost has to ask - is there any real evidence the Earth is a Globe?
Did you want me to link to some of those claims?
What claims?
How about you go back and read it in context. Even a complete moron would be able to figure out which claims I am referring to.
I am literally quoting you, using the quote feature. Are you suggesting that the words you are typing are not what you are saying? You assertions are getting more an more ridiculous, quite frankly.
Yes, you are literally quoting me, then pretending I am saying something completely different.
It isn't the quote I am objecting to. It is your responses, which don't always match what I say.
For example, when I say I'm not going to lurk, you pretend I said I'm not going to research.
So no, like I said before, I am stating you are not actually responding to what I am saying, instead you are responding to what you want me to say so you can insult me.
For example, when I said I don't want to lurk, you acted like I said I don't want to research. Big difference.
I "acted?" I don't know how you inferred that, but that is a you problem. If you have confusion about something someone says, you should just try asking them and stop making so many assumptions. However, that seems to be a common trait amongst you roundies, so I don't anticipate it to stop anytime soon.
It is quite simple. I posted stating that I wasn't going to lurk.
Your response to that including a claim that I wasn't going to research.
If you don't want people to assume things like that, perhaps you should respond to what they actually say?
Have we already covered the parable of the pot and the kettle? This is more of your projection shining through.
Nope. Not projecting at all.
You say that is what you want. Your posting behavior doesn't reflect that. You should really work on that because it makes you seem rather disingenuous.
More lies and slander.
Where in my posting have I ever indicated something else?
You make baseless claims.
Where did that happen?
Where you stated I am unwilling to do the research.
Where you stated there is evidence for a Flat Earth.
You are literally just making things up at this point.
No. I'm not. I am going based off your post.
No, I quote what they say. I am sorry if you have issues with your own words. You should think them through better before you post next time. At this point, you are bordering on intellectual dishonesty.
Yes, you quote what they say, but then you go and pretend they say something completely different.
It isn't my words I have issue with, it is your blatant lies about them.
I'm not bordering on intellectual dishonesty. However you are way past that border.
You keep saying that you have researched it, yet nothing so far is indicative of that. You entire post thus far can be summed up as some perceived victimization on your part where you think you are being misrepresented by the actual words you said. Until you can work on that, I don't think productive debate will ever happen. You need to be honest with yourself, first.
And there you go lying about me yet again.
I have researched it. There is even evidence of that in these comments, where I have pointed out several things which simply don't work in the FE model.
Sure, you will likely just lie and baselessly assert that the FE model can explain them, but you wont provide any explanation because there is none.
Did you want me to derail the thread even more by pointing out every single problem with it?
The victimisation isn't perceived. The misrepresentation is not being done by me.
You are blatantly misrepresenting what I have said, pretending I have said things I haven't, and insulting me in the process.
I am honest with myself. You are the one being dishonest.
I suppose it is a good thing that didn't happen, then.
But it did.
See my point above about this victim narrative you are trying to frame. No one is lying about you friend, just quoting your own words. I would also suggest that you look up what slander means, because it doesn't seem you know how to use the term.
You are lying about me, repeatedly. You aren't just quoting me, you are misrepresenting what I have said by pretending I said something completely different.
Would you prefer I said libel instead?
Nope. Not wanting someone else to do MY work for me. Wanting someone else to do THEIR work.
Not what it looks like from over here. But, we have already established your loose approach with words, so I don't know what you actually mean.
Am I the one claiming Earth is flat? NO!
So why is it my work to show a FE model which works?
Why is it my work to find evidence for a FE model?
If people which to claim Earth is flat, or claim there is evidence for a FE, it is their job to provide that evidence and a model which works. It is not the job of those calling BS on the FE to do so.
As such, it is not my work to go find evidence of a FE or a model which works.
So no, I am not wanting other people to do my work.
I am wanting them to do their own work rather than demanding I do it for them.
Cool, maybe apply some of that knowledge to the topic at hand.
Do you mean as I did repeatedly, earlier in the thread?
They are explained. Maybe not to your satisfaction, but that is no one's problem but your own. Although, I don't frequent this site anymore, so I may be behind on the currently accepted model here. I spend most of my time at another FE community.
No. They are not explained, here or anywhere.
The best they have is pretty much just "magic".
They can't even explain why people in completely different parts of Earth see the same phases.
They can't even decide if it is meant to be a sphere or flat.
False, and not even tangentially related to the topic. You do know that if there is a particular thing you want to discuss, you can make your own thread about it, right?
No. Completely true, and it is related to your baseless claims that the FE model works and there is evidence for it.
A simple example is the position of the sun at sunrise/sunset at the equinox.
In the FE model the sun is positioned above the equator at the equinox, 1/4 of the way around the world from sunrise/sunset.
That means that for someone on the equator, the sun would appear to rise north east and set north west. As you move further south, it's apparent position moves further towards the north. As you move further north, its apparent position moves further towards the east, and only right near the north pole does it become almost due east.
But in reality, the sun rises due east and sets due west.
There are 2 main FE responses to this, one is perspective, which is just pure bullshit and doesn't explain it at all without putting the sun much much further away (say 150 000 000 km). The other is magic bending light, which they have no evidence for, and which magically bends the light such that it perfectly matches a spherical Earth.
It gets even more problematic in the southern summer, where the sun appears to rise from the south east, even places below the tropic, which the sun should never be south of.
So no, completely true.
Do you seriously think no one has raised these issues before?
The FEers either assert some baseless nonsense, or just ignore the thread.
Did you know you can make your own thread about it, and state how the FE model explains it just fine and that these aren't a problem for the FE?
You managed to deflect and project at the same time. Well done. It is explained in the FE model. I would suggest doing some research instead of trying to get others to do your homework for you.
Nope. I haven't been projecting at all, nor have I attempted to deflect.
Yes, you claim it is explained in the FE model, but no one seems to have ever provided this explanation.
I have done research, and found no explanation.
If you wish to assert these things are explained, it is your job to show they are, not mine.
Stop trying to get me to do your work.
Stop pretending that your work is my work.