A Question to Flat Earthers

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A Question to Flat Earthers
« on: January 16, 2017, 05:22:02 PM »
How would the Verrazano-Narrows bridge work on a flat earth? The perfectly vertical towers on the bridge are 41 millimeters further apart on the top than the bottom. This is impossible on a flat earth.

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Re: A Question to Flat Earthers
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2017, 05:28:15 AM »
How would the Verrazano-Narrows bridge work on a flat earth? The perfectly vertical towers on the bridge are 41 millimeters further apart on the top than the bottom. This is impossible on a flat earth.

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I am not sure, but I believe this has been debunked.

I will need to do some more research.

I believe a letter was received by the harbor master of the NY Port Authority who claimed this was false.

I do not remember if the letter was posted here or at tfes.org, but I remember reading that letter and that letter stated the towers were not wider apart at the top.

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Re: A Question to Flat Earthers
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2017, 12:08:48 PM »
How would the Verrazano-Narrows bridge work on a flat earth? The perfectly vertical towers on the bridge are 41 millimeters further apart on the top than the bottom. This is impossible on a flat earth.

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I am not sure, but I believe this has been debunked.

I will need to do some more research.

I believe a letter was received by the harbor master of the NY Port Authority who claimed this was false.

I do not remember if the letter was posted here or at google.com, but I remember reading that letter and that letter stated the towers were not wider apart at the top.
Do you have any evidence for that, because I can find all sorts of evidence that they are.

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totallackey

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Re: A Question to Flat Earthers
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2017, 12:50:10 PM »
How would the Verrazano-Narrows bridge work on a flat earth? The perfectly vertical towers on the bridge are 41 millimeters further apart on the top than the bottom. This is impossible on a flat earth.

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I am not sure, but I believe this has been debunked.

I will need to do some more research.

I believe a letter was received by the harbor master of the NY Port Authority who claimed this was false.

I do not remember if the letter was posted here or at google.com, but I remember reading that letter and that letter stated the towers were not wider apart at the top.
Do you have any evidence for that, because I can find all sorts of evidence that they are.

Like I wrote earlier.

I cannot remember if the letter was posted here or at another site, but I recall reading the letter.

Still searching.

And of course you can post the claims.

Have you actually measured the towers and found this to be the case?

I have not.

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JackBlack

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Re: A Question to Flat Earthers
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2017, 12:55:31 PM »
How would the Verrazano-Narrows bridge work on a flat earth? The perfectly vertical towers on the bridge are 41 millimeters further apart on the top than the bottom. This is impossible on a flat earth.

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I am not sure, but I believe this has been debunked.

I will need to do some more research.

I believe a letter was received by the harbor master of the NY Port Authority who claimed this was false.

I do not remember if the letter was posted here or at google.com, but I remember reading that letter and that letter stated the towers were not wider apart at the top.
Do you have any evidence for that, because I can find all sorts of evidence that they are.

Like I wrote earlier.

I cannot remember if the letter was posted here or at another site, but I recall reading the letter.

Still searching.

And of course you can post the claims.

Have you actually measured the towers and found this to be the case?

I have not.
No. I have no reason to.
I already have plenty of evidence that Earth is round and spinning.

The bridges are quite irrelevant to me.

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Re: A Question to Flat Earthers
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2017, 12:19:16 AM »
Wtf is that? We disproved this idiot who in the video several times. It is sad some humanoids still think him as source. disgrace!
He (somebody) is a troll homo playing role of girl.

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JackBlack

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Re: A Question to Flat Earthers
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2017, 12:22:53 AM »
Wtf is that? We disproved this idiot who in the video several times. It is sad some humanoids still think him as source. disgrace!
No. You didn't disprove him.

Also, shouldn't you stop insulting people if you don't want others to insult you?

Yes, he is a somewhat poor source, but still infinitely better than you or any other flat Earther I have come across.

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totallackey

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Re: A Question to Flat Earthers
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2017, 03:31:13 AM »
Please look at this thread:

lol, who measure the top and bottom of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge towers to determine that they are not parallel?  Oh, maybe this is just more of your RE indoctrination information?

Are you claiming that the towers are parallel jroa?  And if so, can you please cite your references?


I am claiming that this is hypothetical.  I am saying that nobody has actually measured the distances, only assumed them using RET.  Can you prove otherwise?

The 41mm difference often quoted is hypothetical, as it makes no allowance for thermal expansion and/or contraction, or dynamic vehicle loading and wind loading.  It's one of those silly things the tourist guide books like to quote as a "Did you know" sort of thing.  It's a so-called factoid.

And it certainly can't be used to prove the curvature of the earth (or its flatness for that matter).

This is a specious argument.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65704.msg1765362#msg1765362
« Last Edit: January 18, 2017, 03:36:00 AM by totallackey »

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JackBlack

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Re: A Question to Flat Earthers
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2017, 01:35:59 PM »
This is a specious argument.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65704.msg1765362#msg1765362

Yes, the quote you linked is quite a specious argument.
The difference in the arc length and the straight line length is negligible.

This is because sin(x)~=x, for small x, with x in radians (which I shall use throughout)

If you take 41 mm as the arc length, then for a hypothetical smaller Earth (to exaggerate the point) with a radius of 6300 km, the angle spanned by that is 6.50794E-09 radians. Halving that to get a right angle triangle you can use sin with easily, that gives you 3.25397E-09 radians.
Finding the length of one half of the line connecting them gets you sin(x)=3.25397E-09, thus the length of one half of the line is 0.0205 m, thus the full length is 0.041 m=41 mm.

So the difference between the 2 is so small it isn't funny.
The difference between sin(x) and x, for small angles can be approximated as x^3/3!=x^3/6.
For our half angle, that difference works out to be 5.74234E-27. This gives a difference in length of one half of the straight line of 3.61767E-20 m, so the full line difference would be 7.23534E-20 m, which is far less than the size of a nucleus. The size of a proton is roughly 1 fm =1E-15 m.

So at that scale it doesn't matter if you use arc lengths or straight line lengths. They are effectively the same.

Also note that FEers are quite guilty of doing the exact same thing.

That whole 8 inches to a mile crap is based upon approximating trig functions as well.
Instead of using sin(x)~=x for small x, they instead use cos(x)~=1-x^2/2 for small x, and they treat the straight line distance between the points (or between one point and a point directly above or below the other point) as equal to the arc distance between the points.

It also isn't merely a hypothetical.
Yes, loading will change it as will wind passing through, but they are dynamic effects which can be averaged out.

The big question is if anyone has actually measured it.

However, also note what most of the FE responses to this indicate:
Contrary to what they often claim, where curvature is meant to play such a big role in projects meaning if the curvature wasn't taken into account it would fail, they now switch their claim to the curvature being so insignificant it wouldn't have any effect and that the curvature doesn't need to be taken into consideration at all even when constructing such a large object.

Don't you just love how they so happily change their mind when it suits them?

So which is it? Does curvature need to be factored in or is it irrelevant? You can't have it both ways. This is a pretty big bridge.

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Re: A Question to Flat Earthers
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2017, 11:14:49 PM »
you could also take into account that also any measuring and levelling device known to man has inaccuracies in it.
most general construction lasers are accurate to within 7mm over 80 meters (at best), according to the manufactures. so nit picking over 41 mm i reckon is neither here or there.
you could have 10 surveyors measure that bridge, and they will get 10 different measurements.
it doesnt help either side.