How deep does this go?

At that point it ceases to be "a complete anarchistic mess?" I'm just curious, what does it become at that point?

Hopefully not in the wrong section, sorry.

New to the site and was wondering if I could get some opinions on what other conspiracies are needed/involved to make this one possible? I'm coming up with a few ideas but am not sure yet

Conspiracy topics go in FE General. I'll move it.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on January 05, 2017, 03:47:35 PM

Conspiracy topics go in FE General. I'll move it.

You only did that to prove me wrong about the anarchy on this forum, didn't you? Admit it!

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on January 05, 2017, 05:09:18 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on January 05, 2017, 03:47:35 PM

Conspiracy topics go in FE General. I'll move it.

You only did that to prove me wrong about the anarchy on this forum, didn't you? Admit it!

It's a conspiracy!

Quote from: bolts on January 05, 2017, 09:50:51 AM

Do you mean an alleged conspiracy where people are pretending Earth is round, or pretending it is flat.

Pretending it is flat needs basically nothing.
All it needs is a few clever con men that can spout nonsense and get people to believe.

If you mean "pretending" it is round, that gets more complicated, especially when dealing with the past and needing to distinguish between alleged ignorance and part of a conspiracy.
Civilisations have come and gone which accepted that Earth was round. Were they in on the conspiracy, or just ignorant?

It also gets complicated when dealing with motivation.
For example, NASA and their rockets/satellites.
They are building these and launching them.
Is everyone involved in on the conspiracy, which then allows them to save a bunch of money by making toys instead of the real deal, which they can then profit from? If so, that money will get spread very thin making it pointless to continue.
If not, then people are building rockets designed to go to space, with fuel to go to space and with satellites/space probes costing so much it isn't funny.
That then leaves pretty much nothing for any conspirators to get as profit.

You then get other issues with groups like SpaceX, getting paid by NASA.
They would need to be in on the conspiracy as well, and get loads of money, but a lot of it would be them simply wasting money with all their tests. This spending makes no sense if they don't stand to profit a lot.
So either they need to be getting a lot of money from NASA or whoever is running the conspiracy, or they need to be quite ignorant and not realising their stuff isn't going to space.

As a bare minimum, you need everyone, from every country that has gone to space, and those (or at least key people) responsible for the satellites determining their position.

You also need to cover the amateurs, including racketeers which launch rockets to space, and those that just look, looking at various satellites in orbit, collecting data from them (for example, anyone (at least in the US) can capture data from the GOES satellites, and even just looking at stars, which make no sense.

Then comes the others who would also experience effects of a non-round Earth, such as anyone responsible for navigation, including pilots of pretty much every air line (although some in the southern hemisphere would be most effected).

Lots of routes simply make no sense on a flat Earth.
The distances are also completely wrong for lots of flights so they need to change the amount of fuel, so that would be them as well.

This also includes all the people on various boats, and all the amateurs as well.

Then you have basically all the members of the scientific community, especially those that have "allegedly" done experiments which show Earth is round.

And that applies to numerous countries.

There simply isn't enough money in it to be able to pull off a conspiracy like that.
The only possible explanation is for some supernatural or highly advanced alien entity to be giving these people something or controlling them.

But they don't appear to have anything special.
Which leaves only the option of all these people being under some form of mind control. But if that is the case, why are their flat Earthers at all?
Flat Earthers come from numerous religions, so it clearly isn't their god protecting them from Satan.

So the only option left is 2 different people/groups using mind control technology, but then people should switch all the time and we simply don't see that.

So its only aviation, boating, space and science fields with a bit of mind control... definitely simple enough.

Any FE's give me some real clues?

Edit : how deep the conspiracy supporting RET goes was my intended question.

Quote from: JackBlack on January 05, 2017, 05:02:19 PM

Do you mean an alleged conspiracy where people are pretending Earth is round, or pretending it is flat.

Pretending it is flat needs basically nothing.
All it needs is a few clever con men that can spout nonsense and get people to believe.

If you mean "pretending" it is round, that gets more complicated, especially when dealing with the past and needing to distinguish between alleged ignorance and part of a conspiracy.
Civilisations have come and gone which accepted that Earth was round. Were they in on the conspiracy, or just ignorant?

It also gets complicated when dealing with motivation.
For example, NASA and their rockets/satellites.
They are building these and launching them.
Is everyone involved in on the conspiracy, which then allows them to save a bunch of money by making toys instead of the real deal, which they can then profit from? If so, that money will get spread very thin making it pointless to continue.
If not, then people are building rockets designed to go to space, with fuel to go to space and with satellites/space probes costing so much it isn't funny.
That then leaves pretty much nothing for any conspirators to get as profit.

You then get other issues with groups like SpaceX, getting paid by NASA.
They would need to be in on the conspiracy as well, and get loads of money, but a lot of it would be them simply wasting money with all their tests. This spending makes no sense if they don't stand to profit a lot.
So either they need to be getting a lot of money from NASA or whoever is running the conspiracy, or they need to be quite ignorant and not realising their stuff isn't going to space.

As a bare minimum, you need everyone, from every country that has gone to space, and those (or at least key people) responsible for the satellites determining their position.

You also need to cover the amateurs, including racketeers which launch rockets to space, and those that just look, looking at various satellites in orbit, collecting data from them (for example, anyone (at least in the US) can capture data from the GOES satellites, and even just looking at stars, which make no sense.

Then comes the others who would also experience effects of a non-round Earth, such as anyone responsible for navigation, including pilots of pretty much every air line (although some in the southern hemisphere would be most effected).

Lots of routes simply make no sense on a flat Earth.
The distances are also completely wrong for lots of flights so they need to change the amount of fuel, so that would be them as well.

This also includes all the people on various boats, and all the amateurs as well.

Then you have basically all the members of the scientific community, especially those that have "allegedly" done experiments which show Earth is round.

And that applies to numerous countries.

There simply isn't enough money in it to be able to pull off a conspiracy like that.
The only possible explanation is for some supernatural or highly advanced alien entity to be giving these people something or controlling them.

But they don't appear to have anything special.
Which leaves only the option of all these people being under some form of mind control. But if that is the case, why are their flat Earthers at all?
Flat Earthers come from numerous religions, so it clearly isn't their god protecting them from Satan.

So the only option left is 2 different people/groups using mind control technology, but then people should switch all the time and we simply don't see that.

So its only aviation, boating, space and science fields with a bit of mind control... definitely simple enough.

Any FE's give me some real clues?

Edit : how deep the conspiracy supporting RET goes was my intended question.

As for a conspiracy on the shape, they say there must be as all the evidence supporting Earth being round is clearly false as Earth is "obviously" flat.

Place of the Conspiracy in FET
The existence of 'The Conspiracy' is a consequence of the FET. Virtually no one begins with 'The Conspiracy' and develops a belief in the Flat Earth Theory. Flat Earthers starts with the knowledge that the earth is flat, as they believe that all the evidence which they are personally able to collect and verify confirms this fact. As a consequence all the evidence to the contrary, much of which they are unable to personally test/verify is viewed as being false. The existence of such a huge quantity of false information indicates the existence of the conspiracy.

Essentially the reasoning boils down to -
P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth
P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET
C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET is fabricated evidence
P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it
P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)
C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.

Essentially, since "The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth",

it would be fair to say that "Flat Earth Theory" is not falsifiable, so cannot yet be classed as a valid scientific theory.

Hopefully not in the wrong section, sorry.

New to the site and was wondering if I could get some opinions on what other conspiracies are needed/involved to make this one possible? I'm coming up with a few ideas but am not sure yet

Quote from: bolts on January 06, 2017, 10:41:53 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on January 05, 2017, 05:02:19 PM

Do you mean an alleged conspiracy where people are pretending Earth is round, or pretending it is flat.

Pretending it is flat needs basically nothing.
All it needs is a few clever con men that can spout nonsense and get people to believe.

If you mean "pretending" it is round, that gets more complicated, especially when dealing with the past and needing to distinguish between alleged ignorance and part of a conspiracy.
Civilisations have come and gone which accepted that Earth was round. Were they in on the conspiracy, or just ignorant?

It also gets complicated when dealing with motivation.
For example, NASA and their rockets/satellites.
They are building these and launching them.
Is everyone involved in on the conspiracy, which then allows them to save a bunch of money by making toys instead of the real deal, which they can then profit from? If so, that money will get spread very thin making it pointless to continue.
If not, then people are building rockets designed to go to space, with fuel to go to space and with satellites/space probes costing so much it isn't funny.
That then leaves pretty much nothing for any conspirators to get as profit.

You then get other issues with groups like SpaceX, getting paid by NASA.
They would need to be in on the conspiracy as well, and get loads of money, but a lot of it would be them simply wasting money with all their tests. This spending makes no sense if they don't stand to profit a lot.
So either they need to be getting a lot of money from NASA or whoever is running the conspiracy, or they need to be quite ignorant and not realising their stuff isn't going to space.

As a bare minimum, you need everyone, from every country that has gone to space, and those (or at least key people) responsible for the satellites determining their position.

You also need to cover the amateurs, including racketeers which launch rockets to space, and those that just look, looking at various satellites in orbit, collecting data from them (for example, anyone (at least in the US) can capture data from the GOES satellites, and even just looking at stars, which make no sense.

Then comes the others who would also experience effects of a non-round Earth, such as anyone responsible for navigation, including pilots of pretty much every air line (although some in the southern hemisphere would be most effected).

Lots of routes simply make no sense on a flat Earth.
The distances are also completely wrong for lots of flights so they need to change the amount of fuel, so that would be them as well.

This also includes all the people on various boats, and all the amateurs as well.

Then you have basically all the members of the scientific community, especially those that have "allegedly" done experiments which show Earth is round.

And that applies to numerous countries.

There simply isn't enough money in it to be able to pull off a conspiracy like that.
The only possible explanation is for some supernatural or highly advanced alien entity to be giving these people something or controlling them.

But they don't appear to have anything special.
Which leaves only the option of all these people being under some form of mind control. But if that is the case, why are their flat Earthers at all?
Flat Earthers come from numerous religions, so it clearly isn't their god protecting them from Satan.

So the only option left is 2 different people/groups using mind control technology, but then people should switch all the time and we simply don't see that.

So its only aviation, boating, space and science fields with a bit of mind control... definitely simple enough.

Any FE's give me some real clues?

Edit : how deep the conspiracy supporting RET goes was my intended question.

Sorry, realised I left out a few others.
It would also include all cartographers and the like (map makers), which must have agreed (or be mind controlled) into making a single representation of Earth as a globe, which somehow works out to be accurate for all purposes, and then only make distorted flat maps which all have some significant error in them.

I doubt you will get any honest answer from Flat Earthers due to the sheer depth of the conspiracy required.
Like lots of things they say, it will superficially appear to work, but as soon as you start digging, it falls apart.

every person that has ever pulled the bathtub plug and watched the water spiral down the plughole and wonder why its spins the same way each time.

im starting to wonder is there anyone thats NOT in on the conspiracy.
where the hell does all the money come from to pay off so many people.

Quote from: jfoldbar on January 15, 2017, 01:49:21 AM

im starting to wonder is there anyone thats NOT in on the conspiracy.
where the hell does all the money come from to pay off so many people.

Like I said, it clearly can't be based upon money.

The only thing that makes sense is a malevolent entity screwing with people for some reason.

Or maybe the earth is round and you're just paranoid.

Its about control. We are under the control of the people who lied to us. If we can be tricked into thinking we're living somewhere we are not, we can be tricked into anything. Like obeying a ridicoulous lawset that is rigged like a crooked carnival game.

Its about control. We are under the control of the people who lied to us. If we can be tricked into thinking we're living somewhere we are not, we can be tricked into anything. Like obeying a ridicoulous lawset that is rigged like a crooked carnival game.