The Sun and Planets etc.

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Inkey

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Re: The Sun and Planets etc.
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2016, 08:39:19 PM »
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Clearly.
LMAO! Well I don't put much stock in what a dumb moose thinks. There is also a difference between education and intelligence. Did you stop learning after you left school? Clearly. Why? Because the education system doesn't teach people to think, it teaches them to be good slaves. May your chains rest lightly on your mind.

An educated person can make a reasonable argument for his point of view which others can follow. They will have facts and examples to back up the argument.

An intelligent person will realize they don't know enough about a topic to make a reasonable argument. They will then go and seek to be educated on the subject so that they can join in the conversation.

You are neither. You have buried your head in the sand and made no effort to become educated. Just because you don't understand something does not make it wrong.

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Overworld

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Re: The Sun and Planets etc.
« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2016, 08:45:40 PM »
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Clearly.
LMAO! Well I don't put much stock in what a dumb moose thinks. There is also a difference between education and intelligence. Did you stop learning after you left school? Clearly. Why? Because the education system doesn't teach people to think, it teaches them to be good slaves. May your chains rest lightly on your mind.

An educated person can make a reasonable argument for his point of view which others can follow. They will have facts and examples to back up the argument.

An intelligent person will realize they don't know enough about a topic to make a reasonable argument. They will then go and seek to be educated on the subject so that they can join in the conversation.

You are neither. You have buried your head in the sand and made no effort to become educated. Just because you don't understand something does not make it wrong.
Be quiet slave, only speak when you are spoken to.

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rabinoz

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Re: The Sun and Planets etc.
« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2016, 01:38:08 AM »
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Clearly.
LMAO! Well I don't put much stock in what a dumb moose thinks. There is also a difference between education and intelligence. Did you stop learning after you left school? Clearly. Why? Because the education system doesn't teach people to think, it teaches them to be good slaves. May your chains rest lightly on your mind.
I think that a dumb moose could surprise you. Mooses seem to have a head for digging right down to the nitty gritty!
So, just watch you don't get in the way of those antlers!

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rabinoz

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Re: The Sun and Planets etc.
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2016, 03:50:53 AM »
Be quiet slave, only speak when you are spoken to.

Inkey makes some perfectly reasonable points in:
An educated person can make a reasonable argument for his point of view which others can follow. They will have facts and examples to back up the argument.

An intelligent person will realize they don't know enough about a topic to make a reasonable argument. They will then go and seek to be educated on the subject so that they can join in the conversation.

You are neither. You have buried your head in the sand and made no effort to become educated. Just because you don't understand something does not make it wrong.
And follows with an obvious statement about the way you act, which you just prove with your put-down  "Be quiet slave, only speak when you are spoken to."

In other places I have seen where you ridicule NASA simply because you do not understand the elements of photography. That's your failing, not NASA's!   
Yes, you ignorantly make accusations like
"How can the size of the continents change but the size of the globe doesn't? This was obviously staged, just like the NASA 'photos', they are probably still laughing about it."
When I carefully explain it, do I see any apology? Certainly not yet.

You and so many other flat earthers blatantly accuse others of being liars and deceivers, usually with no real evidence, just their own prejudices.

In my mind it's  gutter tactics to accuse others of deception with no real evidence and when they have no real chance of defending themselves.
I believe you wrote
I find it easier to take someone seriously when they . . . . . . . not resort to attacking someone's character, you will always reap what you sow.

Yes, you might just find that you reap the whirlwind.

What about turning over a new leaf and have some actual discussion on the flat earth model?

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Overworld

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Re: The Sun and Planets etc.
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2016, 06:56:28 PM »
Be quiet slave, only speak when you are spoken to.

Inkey makes some perfectly reasonable points in:
An educated person can make a reasonable argument for his point of view which others can follow. They will have facts and examples to back up the argument.

An intelligent person will realize they don't know enough about a topic to make a reasonable argument. They will then go and seek to be educated on the subject so that they can join in the conversation.

You are neither. You have buried your head in the sand and made no effort to become educated. Just because you don't understand something does not make it wrong.
And follows with an obvious statement about the way you act, which you just prove with your put-down  "Be quiet slave, only speak when you are spoken to."

In other places I have seen where you ridicule NASA simply because you do not understand the elements of photography. That's your failing, not NASA's!   
Yes, you ignorantly make accusations like
"How can the size of the continents change but the size of the globe doesn't? This was obviously staged, just like the NASA 'photos', they are probably still laughing about it."
When I carefully explain it, do I see any apology? Certainly not yet.

You and so many other flat earthers blatantly accuse others of being liars and deceivers, usually with no real evidence, just their own prejudices.

In my mind it's  gutter tactics to accuse others of deception with no real evidence and when they have no real chance of defending themselves.
I believe you wrote
I find it easier to take someone seriously when they . . . . . . . not resort to attacking someone's character, you will always reap what you sow.

Yes, you might just find that you reap the whirlwind.

What about turning over a new leaf and have some actual discussion on the flat earth model?
I don't believe I have ever attacked anyone's character without being provoked first, if you can show where I have I will apologize, but that seems to be the preferred method for some globers, if you don't see things their way they attempt to marginalize you. I have a deep distrust of the so called proofs offered by modern day mainstream science which promotes such nonsense as evolution as scientific fact, everything they say is suspect and they lie all the time in my opinion, any good lie requires the appearance of truth. I am about ready to stop posting on this forum because I realize that we hold to fundamentally different paradigms, there is just no common ground, so to speak. As for the photography, why does everything require a complicated answer, why don't they just take the picture from the same angle and distance? I saw a video interview with the guy who did at least one of the globe Earth photos and he admits that it was a photo shopped composite, he actually said it had to be, well why does it have to be if they have all those satellites up there, there just seems to be a lot of prevarication going on, if you want to believe it then that's your choice but I don't believe I owe you or NASA an apology.

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JackBlack

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Re: The Sun and Planets etc.
« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2016, 07:47:15 PM »
As for the photography, why does everything require a complicated answer, why don't they just take the picture from the same angle and distance? I saw a video interview with the guy who did at least one of the globe Earth photos and he admits that it was a photo shopped composite, he actually said it had to be, well why does it have to be if they have all those satellites up there, there just seems to be a lot of prevarication going on, if you want to believe it then that's your choice but I don't believe I owe you or NASA an apology.

It's not a complicated answer. It is quite simple.
Not all satellites have cameras. Not all that do are capable of taking a picture of Earth. Not all that can take a picture of Earth can take a picture of a very large section of Earth (showing the "border" between Earth and space) instead of just a small section.

There are very few Satellites that far away.

One had to be a composite, because the satellite that was taking the pictures couldn't possibly take one of that large a section.

As for the issue of repeats, lots of people don't care. Would you like to see 100 pictures of Earth from the same angle and distance in an album?
They all look basically the same except for cloud cover.

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Overworld

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Re: The Sun and Planets etc.
« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2016, 07:52:53 PM »
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Clearly.
Or those antlers could end up mounted on somebody's wall.
LMAO! Well I don't put much stock in what a dumb moose thinks. There is also a difference between education and intelligence. Did you stop learning after you left school? Clearly. Why? Because the education system doesn't teach people to think, it teaches them to be good slaves. May your chains rest lightly on your mind.
I think that a dumb moose could surprise you. Mooses seem to have a head for digging right down to the nitty gritty!
So, just watch you don't get in the way of those antlers!
Or those antlers could end up mounted on somebody's wall. looks like Bullwinkle has a fan, a lot of you globers seem to work in teams, so tell me are you true believers or is this a paying gig, seriously.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2016, 07:57:57 PM by Overworld »

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rabinoz

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Re: The Sun and Planets etc.
« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2016, 09:35:18 PM »
I don't believe I have ever attacked anyone's character without being provoked first, if you can show where I have I will apologize, but that seems to be the preferred method for some globers, if you don't see things their way they attempt to marginalize you.
You attack and denigrate everyone in NASA and all other space agencies by calling them all liars and deceivers. They are all people who cannot defend themselves.

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I have a deep distrust of the so called proofs offered by modern day mainstream science which promotes such nonsense as evolution as scientific fact, everything they say is suspect and they lie all the time in my opinion, any good lie requires the appearance of truth. I am about ready to stop posting on this forum because I realize that we hold to fundamentally different paradigms, there is just no common ground, so to speak.
So you distrust modern science. Well you'll be pleased to know that the shape of the earth was accepted as a globe long long ago, not only in the western world from a few centuries BC, but also in the Islamic World from its very beginning, read a bit it about in WikiIslam, Flat Earth and the Qur'an.

Some very old scientists, astromoners, and inventors certainly taught that the earth was a Globe.

Go and look up what "The Venerable Bede" said about the shape of the earth "For truly it is an orb placed in the centre of the universe; in its width it is like a circle, and not circular like a shield but rather like a ball." From Creation.com, The flat earth myth.

Look up Al-Biruni, an Islamic Scholar who quite accurately measured the radius of the earth around 1,000 AD, and not using Eratosthenes method ether.

Then along with numerous old scholars Leonardo da Vinci certainly accepted that the earth was a globe. He would hardly have studied projections of the globe and produced one called the Leonardo da Vinci Map, had he not seen that the earth was a Globe.

No, modern scientists, NASA and the other Space Agencies had nothing whatever to do with deciding that the earth is a Globe.
What do you think all the astronomers, amateur and professional have been looking at for many centuries?. Astronomical observations are quite meaningless on a flat earth.

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As for the photography, why does everything require a complicated answer, why don't they just take the picture from the same angle and distance?
For the simple reason that you cannot take a single photograph of a whole hemisphere from closer than about 20,000 miles. Even at that distance the photograph does not contain all of that one hemisphere. I have tired and tried to explain this to you, but somehow I have failed.

Until there were satellites or spacecraft at that altitude with cameras that could take high quality photographs, the only high quality photos were composites.
There were some of low quality from early geosynchronous satellites and from the moon missions, but nothing of high quality.

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I saw a video interview with the guy who did at least one of the globe Earth photos and he admits that it was a photo shopped composite, he actually said it had to be,

No he didn't admit "that it was a photo shopped composite". He and NASA stated that it was a composite because "it had to be" for reasons I gave above.

You might care to read NASA, The Blue Marble, Data Date: February 8, 2002, Visualization Date: February 8, 2002, Sensor(s): Terra - MODIS.

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well why does it have to be if they have all those satellites up there,
I believe I have explained that, but since there have been numerous geostationary satellites for some years there are now more (almost) complete photographs of whole hemispheres than you can poke a stick at.

But you do have look for these photographs, you and other flat earth's would hardly look up NASA, Japan Meteorological Agency etc looking, but they are there. Take your blinkers off and see what is out there.

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there just seems to be a lot of prevarication going on, if you want to believe it then that's your choice but I don't believe I owe you or NASA an apology.
Really, "prevarication going on" in your mind, maybe.

You will undoubtedly disagree, but I stand by all I said for the above reasons, and most while your pride will never let you apologise, you certainly should stop denigrating honest people.

Look, NASA is not there to try to convince you and other flat earth's that the earth is really a Globe. That was settled long, long before NASA was dreamed of.

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JackBlack

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Re: The Sun and Planets etc.
« Reply #68 on: December 29, 2016, 09:44:34 PM »
Or those antlers could end up mounted on somebody's wall. looks like Bullwinkle has a fan, a lot of you globers seem to work in teams, so tell me are you true believers or is this a paying gig, seriously.
We accept reality. The people pointing out Earth is round rarely get paid for doing so, if ever.

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rabinoz

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Re: The Sun and Planets etc.
« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2016, 10:44:12 PM »
I think that a dumb moose could surprise you. Mooses seem to have a head for digging right down to the nitty gritty!
So, just watch you don't get in the way of those antlers!
Or those antlers could end up mounted on somebody's wall. looks like Bullwinkle has a fan, a lot of you globers seem to work in teams, so tell me are you true believers or is this a paying gig, seriously.
Looks like you're a typical American - if it moves shoot it!

I said that simply because hidden among Bullwinkle's idiocy, that moose does sometimes come up with some incisive comments - probably a case of "out of the mouths of babes and fools".

Then you say, "a lot of you globers seem to work in teams". No,  but since there is one model of the Globe, it's not too surprising that thereally is good consistency. Mind you I and others do get things wrong sometimes and others correct us.
But it's quite different with flat earthers!
  • They can't decide what makes things fall down - is it UA, Denspressure, dextrorotatory subquarks (I kid you not!), Aether pressure and even " ::) Heavy things just have a natural propensity to fall down ::)"?

  • They can't even decide what shape the earth is: some say it's the "Antarctica Ice Wall model, the most widely accepted", some the "Bipolar geographic model" with both poles, at least one seems to say it's like "a dish", some a Dual Earth with both poles and a few an infinite earth in diverse forms/

  • They can't even seem to decide what causes day and night.

  • No-one really knows causes lunar eclipses or even lunar phases.
Yes, I know that flat earthers pride themselves in being "free-thinkers", but we have one earth, it's one shape and one geographic layout, etc, etc.

Essentially those that believe that the earth is a Globe all (I imagine) accept the same maps of continental layout, essentially the same ones with some additions, corrections and improvements in accuracy that have been around since the mid 1,700's.
Australia, Antarctica and numerous smaller islands have been added, but the basic layout has been preserved.

Now do you understand why "Globalists" (as good a short name as any, thanks Ski) seem to be in "cahoots"?
While flat earthers all seem to post so many different ideas. I know "variety is the spice of life", etc, but . . . . . . . .

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JackBlack

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« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2016, 01:14:25 PM »
Good point rabinoz.

The main differences between those that accept that Earth is round, is which projection they prefer.
But they all accept that they are just that, projections, rather than flat Earthers that claim they are actually maps of Earth, resulting in heaps of different maps.

This alone should be enough to demonstrate that Earth is round, not flat.

There is only 1 round model of Earth, every globe you see is basically the same, with the possible exception of missing land masses such as small islands, or different resolution, or different colours.
But the basic shape and size of the continents and Earth itself remains the same.
And more importantly, anything you try to measure or plot on this globe, works out in reality.

With flat maps, there are so many different maps it isn't funny.
They do not agree with each other at all. They have completely different sizes and different shapes of various continents and Earth itself.
They also have flaws for each map type, where each map will typically get one (or a few) thing right (but not always), and several other things wrong.

The UN map gets the direction and distance to the north pole correct, but directions and distances elsewhere are wrong, starting out fairly good at the NP and then getting so bad it isn't funny as you move further away.

If Earth really was flat then there should just be one flat Earth map which gets everything right and numerous non-flat maps which serve as a projection.
Even if we didn't know the exact position of the various continents, due to how extensively mapped they all are, we should get their size and shape the same every time, but we don't. The only time that happens, is with a globe.

That indicates Earth is round, not flat.

P.S.
If you would like loads of images of Earth from ~ the same angle and height, go here http://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/
It contains so many pictures it isn't funny. Make sure you scroll through the dates, it only shows the images from one day at a time.

In one set you can see the moon pass in front of the camera.
In another you can see the shadow the moon during an eclipse.

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Cartog

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« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2017, 08:23:35 PM »
It is possible that a much larger planet (such as Saturn) as close to the sun as Venus or Mercury would probably be pulled into the sun.

Smaller planets in smaller orbits seem to have somewhat higher velocity in their orbits giving them more centrifugal resistance to the sun's gravity.