Air Pressure vs Gravity

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 23, 2017, 11:56:31 PM

Quote from: Canadabear on February 23, 2017, 09:58:18 AM

why is gravity real?:
-Cavendish Experiment
-Planet movements around the sun.

now you show us how you know denpressure is real.

Can you explain exactly what is happening with the Cavendish experiment that proves gravity?

Can you also tell me how you can be sure that planets are moving around the sun.

Also, can you actually explain to me what gravity actually is?

Can you explain why pressure which pushes equally on all sides somehow pushes things down?

No I can't. I can't do that because you have took no notice of my Earth shape and will not look at it all from that point of view.
You keep reverting to a globe.
If you weren't, you would not be asking me this, time and time again and getting the same explanation.

Let me just say this.
The pressure IS NOT EQUAL ALL ROUND YOU.

Quote from: deadsirius on February 24, 2017, 06:10:59 AM

Sceptimatic--I'm trying to understand the hangup on asking everyone what gravity "is".  It's been pretty exhaustively explained as far as is currently possible, but I think there's a limit to what anyone can give you on this.  Do you want to know what gravity is made of?  Should we be able to show evidence of invisible elastic strings pulling things together?  You could as well ask what time is made of.

I don't mean to be confrontational, I'm just wondering what form could a satisfying answer to your question take?

It's not explained in a realistic way though, is it?

It boils down to magical explanations, overall.
The reality is hidden.

Now before you go into argument mode, you do not know what gravity is. You do not know if it's real. You do adhere to the explanations for no other reason than, it is what they say it is.
Right or wrong?
If I'm wrong then you explain gravity from your own mind to prove to me it's there.

All I ever see is Cavendish....Einstein...Newton.... they all knew it and they were all genius scientists....etc.

There is also the fact you hat there is no other legitimate explanation to the world we see around us.  You claim denpressure is but you cannot demonstrate that.  You claim gravity isn't real because no one is 100% exactly what it is.  Much like time.
And yet you cannot explain how denpressure works in such a way that anyone can understand it.
People understand the effects of gravity, it is mathematically predictable.  You cannot predict with denpressure.
So, why does pressure push down?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:23:48 AM

If I'm wrong then you explain gravity from your own mind to prove to me it's there.

False dichotomy.  Einstein doesn't have to be right in order for you to be wrong.

Scepti, forget about Newton and Einstein.  Denpressure needs to be able to stand on its own merits.

Yeah, let's forget about Newton and Einstein. Ok, no problem but the minute you people try to dismiss denpressure without understanding it, I will revert right back to asking about the idols that you people got indoctrinated  about and ask for proof of you know what.

Let's see.

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:30:37 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 23, 2017, 11:56:31 PM

Quote from: Canadabear on February 23, 2017, 09:58:18 AM

why is gravity real?:
-Cavendish Experiment
-Planet movements around the sun.

now you show us how you know denpressure is real.

Can you explain exactly what is happening with the Cavendish experiment that proves gravity?

Can you also tell me how you can be sure that planets are moving around the sun.

Also, can you actually explain to me what gravity actually is?

Can you explain why pressure which pushes equally on all sides somehow pushes things down?

No I can't. I can't do that because you have took no notice of my Earth shape and will not look at it all from that point of view.
You keep reverting to a globe.
If you weren't, you would not be asking me this, time and time again and getting the same explanation.

Let me just say this.
The pressure IS NOT EQUAL ALL ROUND YOU.

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Quote from: Canadabear on February 24, 2017, 06:33:51 AM

Quote from: deadsirius on February 24, 2017, 06:10:59 AM

Sceptimatic--I'm trying to understand the hangup on asking everyone what gravity "is".  It's been pretty exhaustively explained as far as is currently possible, but I think there's a limit to what anyone can give you on this.  Do you want to know what gravity is made of?  Should we be able to show evidence of invisible elastic strings pulling things together?  You could as well ask what time is made of.

I don't mean to be confrontational, I'm just wondering what form could a satisfying answer to your question take?

also a big thing is magnetism, it is undeniable existing and how it acts, but how it exactly works on the atomic level is (i think) not fully explained.
even without that explanation it is existing.
or does scepti also claim that it is caused by his denpressure. 

Course it's caused by denpressure.
Denpressure is the reason everything works.

explain how the magnetic effect caused by denpressure.

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Exhalation is the process of removing carbon dioxide which has been carried to the lungs through diffusion in the blood stream.  You simply need to expel that carbon dioxide and bring in more oxygen.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Exhalation is the process of removing carbon dioxide which has been carried to the lungs through diffusion in the blood stream.  You simply need to expel that carbon dioxide and bring in more oxygen.

If you are referring to the mechanism that makes it possible, it's the diaphragm that does all the work. In can be both a voluntary or involuntary mechanism.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:24:43 AM

Quote from: Canadabear on February 24, 2017, 06:33:51 AM

Quote from: deadsirius on February 24, 2017, 06:10:59 AM

Sceptimatic--I'm trying to understand the hangup on asking everyone what gravity "is".  It's been pretty exhaustively explained as far as is currently possible, but I think there's a limit to what anyone can give you on this.  Do you want to know what gravity is made of?  Should we be able to show evidence of invisible elastic strings pulling things together?  You could as well ask what time is made of.

I don't mean to be confrontational, I'm just wondering what form could a satisfying answer to your question take?

also a big thing is magnetism, it is undeniable existing and how it acts, but how it exactly works on the atomic level is (i think) not fully explained.
even without that explanation it is existing.
or does scepti also claim that it is caused by his denpressure. 

Course it's caused by denpressure.
Denpressure is the reason everything works.

explain how the magnetic effect caused by denpressure.

No and you can harp on all you want about it. You can't even grasp the model in any way at all so you're hardly in need of debating this.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Exhalation is the process of removing carbon dioxide which has been carried to the lungs through diffusion in the blood stream.  You simply need to expel that carbon dioxide and bring in more oxygen.

Yea, you simply need to expel it...but why do you need to expel it. What happening to make you do this?
To make it easier.
You inhale air and then die immediately. Why does your body expel the air?

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 24, 2017, 09:03:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Exhalation is the process of removing carbon dioxide which has been carried to the lungs through diffusion in the blood stream.  You simply need to expel that carbon dioxide and bring in more oxygen.

Yea, you simply need to expel it...but why do you need to expel it. What happening to make you do this?
To make it easier.
You inhale air and then die immediately. Why does your body expel the air?

To remove carbon dioxide and maintain the ph regulation of your body.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 09:17:13 AM

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 24, 2017, 09:03:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Exhalation is the process of removing carbon dioxide which has been carried to the lungs through diffusion in the blood stream.  You simply need to expel that carbon dioxide and bring in more oxygen.

Yea, you simply need to expel it...but why do you need to expel it. What happening to make you do this?
To make it easier.
You inhale air and then die immediately. Why does your body expel the air?

To remove carbon dioxide and maintain the ph regulation of your body.

Ok one last try.
Let's say you took in the air and then someone shoots you stone dead. What expels the air from your body now?

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 24, 2017, 09:03:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Exhalation is the process of removing carbon dioxide which has been carried to the lungs through diffusion in the blood stream.  You simply need to expel that carbon dioxide and bring in more oxygen.

Yea, you simply need to expel it...but why do you need to expel it. What happening to make you do this?
To make it easier.
You inhale air and then die immediately. Why does your body expel the air?

In the case of if you died, it would be the relaxing of the diaphragm that would expel the air.  If you are implying it's because of some positive pressure to air pressure it would leak out rather you expelled it or not.   But the pressure difference in your lungs is not like air in a balloon, the pressure is only large enough to have a differential between your air in your lungs and the pressure in the body parts that allow the diffusion of oxygen and carbon dioxide.  When we breath in, we don't create some super pressurized cavity in our body, in fact we only take in about 15-25 percent more volume of air then what is in your lungs to begin with.  We also can't expel more than what the volume of our lungs would hold under normal conditions (not breathing). That's what keeps are lungs from exploding or collapsing except under extreme conditions.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 09:17:13 AM

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 24, 2017, 09:03:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Exhalation is the process of removing carbon dioxide which has been carried to the lungs through diffusion in the blood stream.  You simply need to expel that carbon dioxide and bring in more oxygen.

Yea, you simply need to expel it...but why do you need to expel it. What happening to make you do this?
To make it easier.
You inhale air and then die immediately. Why does your body expel the air?

In the case of if you died, it would be the relaxing of the diaphragm that would expel the air.  If you are implying it's because of some positive pressure to air pressure it would leak out rather you expelled it or not.   But the pressure difference in your lungs is not like air in a balloon, the pressure is only large enough to have a differential between your air in your lungs and the pressure in the body parts that allow the diffusion of oxygen and carbon dioxide.  When we breath in, we don't create some super pressurized cavity in our body, in fact we only take in about 15-25 percent more volume of air then what is in your lungs to begin with.  We also can't expel more than what the volume of our lungs would hold under normal conditions (not breathing). That's what keeps are lungs from exploding or collapsing except under extreme conditions.

Ok I think we are fully done now. This isn't about wanting to know what's happening. This is just blatant denial before anything is said.
All you people coming out with me not explaining stuff...blame people like this and question yourselves.

I'm done for now until I come up against someone who is effing genuine.

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 24, 2017, 09:44:49 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 09:17:13 AM

Quote from: PawnedScum on February 24, 2017, 09:03:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Exhalation is the process of removing carbon dioxide which has been carried to the lungs through diffusion in the blood stream.  You simply need to expel that carbon dioxide and bring in more oxygen.

Yea, you simply need to expel it...but why do you need to expel it. What happening to make you do this?
To make it easier.
You inhale air and then die immediately. Why does your body expel the air?

In the case of if you died, it would be the relaxing of the diaphragm that would expel the air.  If you are implying it's because of some positive pressure to air pressure it would leak out rather you expelled it or not.   But the pressure difference in your lungs is not like air in a balloon, the pressure is only large enough to have a differential between your air in your lungs and the pressure in the body parts that allow the diffusion of oxygen and carbon dioxide.  When we breath in, we don't create some super pressurized cavity in our body, in fact we only take in about 15-25 percent more volume of air then what is in your lungs to begin with.  We also can't expel more than what the volume of our lungs would hold under normal conditions (not breathing). That's what keeps are lungs from exploding or collapsing except under extreme conditions.

Ok I think we are fully done now. This isn't about wanting to know what's happening. This is just blatant denial before anything is said.
All you people coming out with me not explaining stuff...blame people like this and question yourselves.

I'm done for now until I come up against someone who is effing genuine.

You asked a question and I answered it.  Sorry that it didn't fit your preconceived notion of how everyone thinks. I think we all know who is genuine here and who is not. If you want to explain how my answer was inaccurate...feel free. I'm not a doctor and I don't get my feelings hurt when I'm proved wrong.

The greatest prank in the world. Take s standard empty compressed gas cylinder and fill it with lead shot. Then bring it to the 3,000+ psi. Bam, 500 ton tank that's unmovable like Thor's hammer.

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Not sure what you are asking.  Is this a biology question or anatomy or chemistry?  I mean the air is drawn into my lungs because, and I am not a student of anatomy so I'm kind of guessing here, muscles in my chest pull my lungs, increasing their capacity, thus drawing air in.  I btreathe out when muscles compress my lungs forcing air out.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Not sure what you are asking.  Is this a biology question or anatomy or chemistry?  I mean the air is drawn into my lungs because, and I am not a student of anatomy so I'm kind of guessing here, muscles in my chest pull my lungs, increasing their capacity, thus drawing air in.  I btreathe out when muscles compress my lungs forcing air out.

The answer is, atmospheric pressure wants that air back that you stole.
It's going to crush you until your energy gives it up.
And when you breathe in again , the same thing.
Why?
Because as you take atmosphere in, your body expands to fill the lower pressure you created by robbing that atmosphere.
I say, robbing. I'm just using it as a simple saying so don't go all backward on me.
Think about what disputeone told you. Learn it from my end if you want to understand it, even if you don't like it or agree with any.

Does what I say make any sense?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Not sure what you are asking.  Is this a biology question or anatomy or chemistry?  I mean the air is drawn into my lungs because, and I am not a student of anatomy so I'm kind of guessing here, muscles in my chest pull my lungs, increasing their capacity, thus drawing air in.  I btreathe out when muscles compress my lungs forcing air out.

its an easy tactic from scepti:
you ask him an easy question.
he "answers" with an question that has nothing to do with the initial question.
you answer in the hope he will give you an explanation for the first question.
he does not like your answer and says that you are not able to understand the complete topic what you were questioning about and he will not give you an answer.

it seams the only way to get an answer from him would be to admit to his idea and say he is right, but than i expect that he either says that he does not believe you, or he than says if you believe him why should he answer you.
in any cases, he never will give us an explanation about his idea.

anytime he says he will answer you after a few questions, he is lying.
And that brings us also to 2 things:
what is the real reason he refuse to answer us?
either he knows he does has no explanation for his idea,
or he really believes what he is making up as his idea.
in the first case he is a simple lair
in the second case he is a sociopatic lair, than we can not be to mad him because it a mental condition he is not responsible for it.

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 10:49:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Not sure what you are asking.  Is this a biology question or anatomy or chemistry?  I mean the air is drawn into my lungs because, and I am not a student of anatomy so I'm kind of guessing here, muscles in my chest pull my lungs, increasing their capacity, thus drawing air in.  I btreathe out when muscles compress my lungs forcing air out.

its an easy tactic from scepti:
you ask him an easy question.
he "answers" with an question that has nothing to do with the initial question.
you answer in the hope he will give you an explanation for the first question.
he does not like your answer and says that you are not able to understand the complete topic what you were questioning about and he will not give you an answer.

it seams the only way to get an answer from him would be to admit to his idea and say he is right, but than i expect that he either says that he does not believe you, or he than says if you believe him why should he answer you.
in any cases, he never will give us an explanation about his idea.

anytime he says he will answer you after a few questions, he is lying.
And that brings us also to 2 things:
what is the real reason he refuse to answer us?
either he knows he does has no explanation for his idea,
or he really believes what he is making up as his idea.
in the first case he is a simple lair
in the second case he is a sociopatic lair, than we can not be to mad him because it a mental condition he is not responsible for it.

Make your choice and be done with it.

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 10:49:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Not sure what you are asking.  Is this a biology question or anatomy or chemistry?  I mean the air is drawn into my lungs because, and I am not a student of anatomy so I'm kind of guessing here, muscles in my chest pull my lungs, increasing their capacity, thus drawing air in.  I btreathe out when muscles compress my lungs forcing air out.

The answer is, atmospheric pressure wants that air back that you stole.
It's going to crush you until your energy gives it up.
And when you breathe in again , the same thing.
Why?
Because as you take atmosphere in, your body expands to fill the lower pressure you created by robbing that atmosphere.
I say, robbing. I'm just using it as a simple saying so don't go all backward on me.
Think about what disputeone told you. Learn it from my end if you want to understand it, even if you don't like it or agree with any.

Does what I say make any sense?

No.

As usual you put the cart before the horse. Your body is not expanding to fill the gap created by the air pressure you robbed, it is expanding in order to bring that air in. You are not breathing out because the atmosphere is demanding it back, you are breathing out because you need more of it having exchanged oxygen and carbon dioxide at the alveolar level.

Quote from: Canadabear on February 24, 2017, 11:22:15 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 10:49:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on February 24, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

I didn't mention the shape of the earth.  I keep asking why it pushes down because you have not actually explained it.  You may think you have but if you notice that's the main question you get asked.

Ok, here goes.
To try and answer you I'm going to have to ask you some questions and see how you answer them. Then I can slowly go on from there.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?
We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Not sure what you are asking.  Is this a biology question or anatomy or chemistry?  I mean the air is drawn into my lungs because, and I am not a student of anatomy so I'm kind of guessing here, muscles in my chest pull my lungs, increasing their capacity, thus drawing air in.  I btreathe out when muscles compress my lungs forcing air out.

its an easy tactic from scepti:
you ask him an easy question.
he "answers" with an question that has nothing to do with the initial question.
you answer in the hope he will give you an explanation for the first question.
he does not like your answer and says that you are not able to understand the complete topic what you were questioning about and he will not give you an answer.

it seams the only way to get an answer from him would be to admit to his idea and say he is right, but than i expect that he either says that he does not believe you, or he than says if you believe him why should he answer you.
in any cases, he never will give us an explanation about his idea.

anytime he says he will answer you after a few questions, he is lying.
And that brings us also to 2 things:
what is the real reason he refuse to answer us?
either he knows he does has no explanation for his idea,
or he really believes what he is making up as his idea.
in the first case he is a simple lair
in the second case he is a sociopatic lair, than we can not be to mad him because it a mental condition he is not responsible for it.

Make your choice and be done with it.

in one case you will need a therapy.
and in the other we should not allow that you tell these lies to other people to lead them to wrong conclusions.

you also could be done with it and not telling this falsehood to other people.

I'm not going to say he's a liar. But if he believes the reason the human body exhales is because the atmosphere wants it's air back, then he's just wrong.

The atmosphere isn't strong enough to prevent you from using your diaphragm to inhale, how the heck is it going to be strong enough to take it back. 

All of these analogies given are just more example of the principle of pressure anyway, how it acts in all directions and will attempt to equalize. Still no explanation how this has anything to do with a downward force that is a replacement for gravity.

No.

As usual you put the cart before the horse. Your body is not expanding to fill the gap created by the air pressure you robbed, it is expanding in order to bring that air in. You are not breathing out because the atmosphere is demanding it back, you are breathing out because you need more of it having exchanged oxygen and carbon dioxide at the alveolar level.

Pat attention or be gone.

in one case you will need a therapy.
and in the other we should not allow that you tell these lies to other people to lead them to wrong conclusions.

you also could be done with it and not telling this falsehood to other people.

Bye bye.

I'm not going to say he's a liar. But if he believes the reason the human body exhales is because the atmosphere wants it's air back, then he's just wrong.

The atmosphere isn't strong enough to prevent you from using your diaphragm to inhale, how the heck is it going to be strong enough to take it back. 

All of these analogies given are just more example of the principle of pressure anyway, how it acts in all directions and will attempt to equalize. Still no explanation how this has anything to do with a downward force that is a replacement for gravity.

Let me tell you the trouble with you people.
You're the type of people who are in a room and someone tries to talk to you. As they try to tell you something, you jump in and answer it all before you know what's what. You're the type that simply butts in before a conversation is a quarter way through.


You're a complete and utter waste of time like the others above you.

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?

The build up of carbon dioxide in your lungs and lack of oxygen in the rest of your body.  Your body doesn't like to be deprived of oxygen and if you refuse to breathe on your own, then your body will force you to pass out and start breathing on its own again.

We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

What Happens When You Breathe?
Breathing In (Inhalation)

When you breathe in, or inhale, your diaphragm contracts (tightens) and moves downward. This increases the space in your chest cavity, into which your lungs expand. The intercostal muscles between your ribs also help enlarge the chest cavity. They contract to pull your rib cage both upward and outward when you inhale.

As your lungs expand, air is sucked in through your nose or mouth. The air travels down your windpipe and into your lungs. After passing through your bronchial tubes, the air finally reaches and enters the alveoli (air sacs).

Also:

Breathing Out (Exhalation)

When you breathe out, or exhale, your diaphragm relaxes and moves upward into the chest cavity. The intercostal muscles between the ribs also relax to reduce the space in the chest cavity.

As the space in the chest cavity gets smaller, air rich in carbon dioxide is forced out of your lungs and windpipe, and then out of your nose or mouth.

Breathing out requires no effort from your body unless you have a lung disease or are doing physical activity. When you're physically active, your abdominal muscles contract and push your diaphragm against your lungs even more than usual. This rapidly pushes air out of your lungs.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

First question: When you breathe in, you expand your lungs which expand your chest and what not, right?
What forces you to eventually breathe out?

The build up of carbon dioxide in your lungs and lack of oxygen in the rest of your body.  Your body doesn't like to be deprived of oxygen and if you refuse to breathe on your own, then your body will force you to pass out and start breathing on its own again.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 24, 2017, 08:48:42 AM

We know it's your energy but what makes your energy release that air hold?

Quote from: https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/hlw/whathappens

What Happens When You Breathe?
Breathing In (Inhalation)

When you breathe in, or inhale, your diaphragm contracts (tightens) and moves downward. This increases the space in your chest cavity, into which your lungs expand. The intercostal muscles between your ribs also help enlarge the chest cavity. They contract to pull your rib cage both upward and outward when you inhale.

As your lungs expand, air is sucked in through your nose or mouth. The air travels down your windpipe and into your lungs. After passing through your bronchial tubes, the air finally reaches and enters the alveoli (air sacs).

Also:

Quote from: https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/hlw/whathappens

Breathing Out (Exhalation)

When you breathe out, or exhale, your diaphragm relaxes and moves upward into the chest cavity. The intercostal muscles between the ribs also relax to reduce the space in the chest cavity.

As the space in the chest cavity gets smaller, air rich in carbon dioxide is forced out of your lungs and windpipe, and then out of your nose or mouth.

Breathing out requires no effort from your body unless you have a lung disease or are doing physical activity. When you're physically active, your abdominal muscles contract and push your diaphragm against your lungs even more than usual. This rapidly pushes air out of your lungs.

Totally misses the point. Why am I not surprised.

Totally misses the point. Why am I not surprised.

Then maybe you should have chosen a better example.  Like maybe one that explains why you believe that air pressure pushes down more than in other directions.

Quote from: Canadabear on February 24, 2017, 11:41:16 AM

in one case you will need a therapy.
and in the other we should not allow that you tell these lies to other people to lead them to wrong conclusions.

you also could be done with it and not telling this falsehood to other people.

Bye bye.

oh you are leaving?