Air Pressure vs Gravity

Skip to 2:50 and see how the density of a material will displace the real amount of water.
The only way a volume of air inside any object will displace water is if energy is applied to it, which is a falsity in itself in terms of measurement.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 06:47:41 AM

The density of a volume of mass is how much that volume of mass can be condensed. That's basically the density.

No, that's basically gibberish.

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Volume does not displace water. It's the density of the mass as part of that volume that displaces it.

More gibber jabber.

Don't keep wasting your time typing nothing.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on January 27, 2017, 08:03:16 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 06:47:41 AM

The density of a volume of mass is how much that volume of mass can be condensed. That's basically the density.

No, that's basically gibberish.

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Volume does not displace water. It's the density of the mass as part of that volume that displaces it.

More gibber jabber.

Don't keep wasting your time typing nothing.

Please give your definition of density with some typical numbers.

Skip to 2:50 and see how the density of a material will displace the real amount of water.
The only way a volume of air inside any object will displace water is if energy is applied to it, which is a falsity in itself in terms of measurement.

The second that container gets crushed it displaces less water, because it occupies less volume.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 08:10:23 AM

Skip to 2:50 and see how the density of a material will displace the real amount of water.
The only way a volume of air inside any object will displace water is if energy is applied to it, which is a falsity in itself in terms of measurement.

The second that container gets crushed it displaces less water, because it occupies less volume.

And why does it displace less water?

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 27, 2017, 08:29:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 08:10:23 AM

Skip to 2:50 and see how the density of a material will displace the real amount of water.
The only way a volume of air inside any object will displace water is if energy is applied to it, which is a falsity in itself in terms of measurement.

The second that container gets crushed it displaces less water, because it occupies less volume.

And why does it displace less water?

You see the bit where I said that it occupies less volume? That.

Quote from: Gumby on January 27, 2017, 02:07:33 AM

Imagine you remove gravity from the equation.
How water would act?

Check here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BA28oQMNPqR/

This nonsense doesn't help because there's no such thing as zero gravity and no such thing as a bouncing water bubble.
Come on, seriously, if you're interested in finding a truth, don't use this crap as some kind of proof.

First of all the video is legit.

Second you wrote: "there's no such thing as zero gravity" .
Are you admiting the existence of gravity?

Third: aboard ISS there the gravity is very low but not 0.

Fourth: aboard the ISS there is air pressure but there is no force pushing things in a specific direction.

Fifth: if you deny the existence of the ISS, and you are willing to expand your knowledge, you may look at the several companies providing parabolic flights. These flights simulate the absence of gravity and the boucing water is one the favourite experiments...

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 27, 2017, 08:29:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 08:10:23 AM

Skip to 2:50 and see how the density of a material will displace the real amount of water.
The only way a volume of air inside any object will displace water is if energy is applied to it, which is a falsity in itself in terms of measurement.

The second that container gets crushed it displaces less water, because it occupies less volume.

And why does it displace less water?

It's a hollow object. When it gets crushed by water pressure it occupies less volume and therefore displaces less volume.

Fifth: if you deny the existence of the ISS, and you are willing to expand your knowledge, you may look at the several companies providing parabolic flights. These flights simulate the absence of gravity and the boucing water is one the favourite experiments...

He won't, so here are a couple:





What's happening here scep? Atmosphere hasn't changed - people are happily breathing.

On my flight out to Iceland this week my plane did a small drop. I experienced a change in weight. Why would that happen in a closed system at constant pressure?

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 09:23:16 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 27, 2017, 08:29:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 08:10:23 AM

Skip to 2:50 and see how the density of a material will displace the real amount of water.
The only way a volume of air inside any object will displace water is if energy is applied to it, which is a falsity in itself in terms of measurement.

The second that container gets crushed it displaces less water, because it occupies less volume.

And why does it displace less water?

You see the bit where I said that it occupies less volume? That.

But you people said these things displace more water and I told you that their natural thing is to float....OR, energy needs to be applied to sink it, which is not a true reflection of genuine displacement.

The only other way to sink the object is to add dense mass to it and then it will sink and compress the air inside the container until it crushes to give a genuine displacement.

Denpressure is the key to the reality of Earth, not fictional gravity explanations for supposedly pulling down an object to displace. water or to be pulled to the ground  against atmosphere.

There is no pull on Earth...EVER.

Right, so when it's full size it displaces nothing, when it's crushed and occupies less space it displaces more.

First of all the video is legit.

If there was a god that punished fabricators of the truth then there's no way you would type what you just typed.

Second you wrote: "there's no such thing as zero gravity" .
Are you admiting the existence of gravity?

I gave you a clue. A big clue. "there's no such thing as zero gravity" .

Third: aboard ISS there the gravity is very low but not 0.

There is no ISS and so, there is no anything you mention.

Fourth: aboard the ISS there is air pressure but there is no force pushing things in a specific direction.

Aboard the containers they are in faking the supposed ISS shenanigans; of course there's air pressure and whilst the bullshit actors stand on a deck/floor then air pressure is acting around and above them as they resist it by using the floor as the resistance to it.
Harness them up to take centre stage in the shipping container, then the air pressure will be acting all around their bodies.

Fifth: if you deny the existence of the ISS, and you are willing to expand your knowledge, you may look at the several companies providing parabolic flights. These flights simulate the absence of gravity and the boucing water is one the favourite experiments...

I do deny the existence of the ISS and the parabolic flights do NOT simulate zero gravity. They match free fall.
You've done similar with a coin or a ball. You allow the coin or ball to fall towards your hand as you drop your hand to match the motion of the coin or ball.
It falls effortlessly into your hand if done properly.

Gravity is a massive con to push the fantasies of Earth and space onto us all.

Denpressure shows a reality and also proves we are on a stationary Earth, in a cell, or under a dome of a flattish Earth, surviving due to energy pushing into pressure that is stacked from bottom to top of the dome and finishes as that dome ceiling.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 09:23:16 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 27, 2017, 08:29:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 08:10:23 AM

Skip to 2:50 and see how the density of a material will displace the real amount of water.
The only way a volume of air inside any object will displace water is if energy is applied to it, which is a falsity in itself in terms of measurement.

The second that container gets crushed it displaces less water, because it occupies less volume.

And why does it displace less water?

It's a hollow object. When it gets crushed by water pressure it occupies less volume and therefore displaces less volume.

Yep and it will keep doing it because the reality is the density of that object is the real displacement of the water.

Quote from: Gumby on January 27, 2017, 09:40:24 AM

Fifth: if you deny the existence of the ISS, and you are willing to expand your knowledge, you may look at the several companies providing parabolic flights. These flights simulate the absence of gravity and the boucing water is one the favourite experiments...

He won't, so here are a couple:





What's happening here scep? Atmosphere hasn't changed - people are happily breathing.

On my flight out to Iceland this week my plane did a small drop. I experienced a change in weight. Why would that happen in a closed system at constant pressure?

First of all the plane is NOT closed system.
It's a flowing system or you would be dead pretty quickly.

When the plane drops it compresses the atmosphere below it whilst creating an even bigger lower pressure above it due to this compression due to the drop.
The same is happening inside of the plane, only the opposite way around, where the ceiling of the plane compresses the air from above, down and pushes it down to the floor, which then compresses back which takes up much of your mass and makes you feel like you're in a super fast free fall that makes you mention the weightless feeling.
It's teh same as the parabolic flight, only that is a precision dive and rise, whereas yours is a low pressure drop to start with.

Right, so when it's full size it displaces nothing, when it's crushed and occupies less space it displaces more.

Nope, it doesn't work like that.

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 27, 2017, 10:48:31 AM

Right, so when it's full size it displaces nothing, when it's crushed and occupies less space it displaces more.

Nope, it doesn't work like that.

I entirely agree, but that's what your statement implies.

Secondly, if your plane was open at that altitude you'd die from oxygen starvation.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 11:10:36 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 27, 2017, 10:48:31 AM

Right, so when it's full size it displaces nothing, when it's crushed and occupies less space it displaces more.

Nope, it doesn't work like that.

I entirely agree, but that's what your statement implies.

Secondly, if your plane was open at that altitude you'd die from oxygen starvation.

I'll give you some time to actually grasp what I'm telling you.
By all means play the resistance game. I just ask you to do it for your own sake of reality rather than following bullshit all your life.

The only way a volume of air inside any object will displace water is if energy is applied to it, which is a falsity in itself in terms of measurement.

Why is it "a falsity"?  How else are you supposed to measure the volume displacement of objects less dense than water?

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 27, 2017, 11:15:57 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 11:10:36 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 27, 2017, 10:48:31 AM

Right, so when it's full size it displaces nothing, when it's crushed and occupies less space it displaces more.

Nope, it doesn't work like that.

I entirely agree, but that's what your statement implies.

Secondly, if your plane was open at that altitude you'd die from oxygen starvation.

I'll give you some time to actually grasp what I'm telling you.
By all means play the resistance game. I just ask you to do it for your own sake of reality rather than following bullshit all your life.

Wait as long as you like, I am not going to swallow any of your bullshit. No-one is playing a game here. No-one is desperately clinging to the last straws of reason in the face of your undeniable logic. Your theory is, in a word, shite. it has no merit. You have not once demonstrated any interested in providing any kind of reasoned defence of it other than to assume that people disagree with you out of spite rather than because you are completely wrong.

That hollow drinks container displaced more water before it was crushed than after.  The simple reason for this is because it occupied more volume before it was crushed. I've provided you with photographic and video evidence of how objects displace water when they are submerged. If I could be bothered I'd do another one, but why should I waste effort on your stupidity. The densest thing around here is your skull. I recommend seeing how much water it displaces.

Practically how can you make an object lighter than it is?
By making it more porous?By trapping air inside an an object?
ANy methods for this?
Porous things also are insulative.
Why dense things get colder more soon.When it is cold
and you touch a bar of steel it is reall cold than touching a cloth made from wool.
Is it also true that dense things get more warm sooner?It seems so.
The thing can we make any object we want to be lighter and more insulative?

It would be helpful to have a face-to-face meeting with Scepti where he could draw some diagrams and answer questions.

Quote from: onebigmonkey on January 27, 2017, 09:46:09 AM

Quote from: Gumby on January 27, 2017, 09:40:24 AM

Fifth: if you deny the existence of the ISS, and you are willing to expand your knowledge, you may look at the several companies providing parabolic flights. These flights simulate the absence of gravity and the boucing water is one the favourite experiments...

He won't, so here are a couple:





What's happening here scep? Atmosphere hasn't changed - people are happily breathing.

On my flight out to Iceland this week my plane did a small drop. I experienced a change in weight. Why would that happen in a closed system at constant pressure?

First of all the plane is NOT closed system.
It's a flowing system or you would be dead pretty quickly.

When the plane drops it compresses the atmosphere below it whilst creating an even bigger lower pressure above it due to this compression due to the drop.
The same is happening inside of the plane, only the opposite way around, where the ceiling of the plane compresses the air from above, down and pushes it down to the floor, which then compresses back which takes up much of your mass and makes you feel like you're in a super fast free fall that makes you mention the weightless feeling.
It's teh same as the parabolic flight, only that is a precision dive and rise, whereas yours is a low pressure drop to start with.

Wrong! The airplane is a closed system... Have you ever take a plane? One the biggies? Did you notice that it is pressurised?

Well good luck for your "theory". I hope to see you getting the nobel prize.

Quote from: Gumby on January 27, 2017, 09:40:24 AM

First of all the video is legit.

If there was a god that punished fabricators of the truth then there's no way you would type what you just typed.

So you're saying the underwater video is fake? Have you ever been underwater on SCUBA?

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 08:10:23 AM

The only way a volume of air inside any object will displace water is if energy is applied to it, which is a falsity in itself in terms of measurement.

Why is it "a falsity"?  How else are you supposed to measure the volume displacement of objects less dense than water?

The true accurate measurement is by above water displacement.
You do not fully submerge an object that floats to gain an accurate displacement unless you allow the object to sink to whatever depth it sinks to. This way you would have a real displacement, although accurate measurements would be difficult to obtain.

This is why displacement of water by using a floatinf platform is ideal for measuring accurately. It's because atmospheric pressure does not have to be trapped as it's already a part of the volume of the object, meaning it's at equilibrium is the atmosphere, leaving just the entire density of the object resisting the atmospheric push on and around it.

No gravity required.

Practically how can you make an object lighter than it is?
By making it more porous?By trapping air inside an an object?
ANy methods for this?
Porous things also are insulative.
Why dense things get colder more soon.When it is cold
and you touch a bar of steel it is reall cold than touching a cloth made from wool.
Is it also true that dense things get more warm sooner?It seems so.
The thing can we make any object we want to be lighter and more insulative?

Why do barometers use mercury for more accurate reading of pressure?
Find that out and think clearly on it and you might get an idea as to why density of objects displace the atmosphere and also the true displacement of water, etc.

Wrong! The airplane is a closed system... Have you ever take a plane? One the biggies? Did you notice that it is pressurised?

Well good luck for your "theory". I hope to see you getting the nobel prize.

It is not a flying compressed air cylinder that just stays fixed. It has to have airflow to keep everything working and alive.
Seriously think about it.

A moving bus is pressurised at rest and more pressurised in movement. There is still air flow but you don't particularly notice it. Same as on a plane, only a plane uses its regulators to condition how the air flows to keep a certain pressure.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2017, 10:49:35 AM

Quote from: Gumby on January 27, 2017, 09:40:24 AM

First of all the video is legit.

If there was a god that punished fabricators of the truth then there's no way you would type what you just typed.

So you're saying the underwater video is fake? Have you ever been underwater on SCUBA?

Are you saying they are underwater in the so called ISS?

I think I'm catching on to this whole denpressure thing. It really has more to do with density than anything else.

I think I'm catching on to this whole denpressure thing. It really has more to do with density than anything else.

I think it has more to do with absolute vacuum, of the kind found in some people's heads

Skip to 2:50 and see how the density of a material will displace the real amount of water.
The only way a volume of air inside any object will displace water is if energy is applied to it, which is a falsity in itself in terms of measurement.

So what do you say about the charge I levy against you that it's very clear to anyone who knows your MO (and like most FE'ers, anyway) that you would reject the video you posted if it went against denpressure? Because it's not even remotely controversial to say that any video/demonstration/experiment that destroys denpressure you reject out-of-hand a priori.

You're a dishonest charlatan.

You also attempt to muddy the waters by bringing gravity into a discussion about displacement. What does gravity have to do with how much volume an object will displace in water? Since I've called you on this, and if your past behaviour is anything to go by, you'll now dogmatically defend bringing gravity into this discussion of which it has no real place.

Since everyone else has thoroughly destroyed your 'ideas' about displacement (as well as denpressure itself), I'll just leave it there.