Faking the moon landing impossible

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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #90 on: January 17, 2017, 01:12:35 PM »
Those images come closer to the theoretical reality of the Moon (crisp, hard, dense, black-and-white, harsh, rigid) than the curvy smooth cuddly-soft sand pit fake hills of Apollo. ::)
And you know that, because...?

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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #91 on: January 17, 2017, 02:57:08 PM »
Apart from the mistake of putting sediment on the "Moon landing" sets, that the real Moon doesn't have, those "dust clouds" A) indeed weren't there because the sediment used as "regolith" was coarse enough not to form clouds. Visit a volcanic beach. B) the sediment that was scooped up in the air (watch the "Lunar" Rover ridiculous footage) didn't behave as it would be on the real Moon.
Are you suggesting that the lunar regolith in the NASA pictures and videos looks like coarse sand? ???

They've used various types of "regolith" that contradict each other, each for maximum Hollywood effect:
A - for the infamous "footprint photo" they used a compactable clayey fine sediment mix to get the imprint showing nicely

Nope, they used the surface of the moon.

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B - for the even more infamous "Lunar-Rover-driving-in-the-sand" scenes, they used a loose sediment

Nope. It was the lunar surface. You still don't know what sediment is. You also need to make up your mind how many film sets there were.

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But, the whole sediment thing is fake. There shouldn't be loose sediment on the Moon, as is visible when one observes the lunar surface using a telescope.

Bullshit. There is not a telescope out there with the resolving power to determine whether the lunar surface is dust free.

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Before "Apollo", the Moon was pictured/imagined as a hard surface:

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Those images come closer to the theoretical reality of the Moon (crisp, hard, dense, black-and-white, harsh, rigid) than the curvy smooth cuddly-soft sand pit fake hills of Apollo. ::)

Seriously, really?

You're taking film posters and Tin Tin as accurate depictions of the lunar surface? Have you actually seen Destination Moon? Any reason why there should be desiccation polygons under the rocket?

When planning the landings they had no definite idea whether the lunar surface was solid or feet deep in dust that would swallow up anything that landed. It wasn't until the Surveyor missions that they got a real idea of what was on the surface.
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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #92 on: January 17, 2017, 03:20:11 PM »
Those images come closer to the theoretical reality of the Moon (crisp, hard, dense, black-and-white, harsh, rigid) than the curvy smooth cuddly-soft sand pit fake hills of Apollo. ::)
And you know that, because...?

Because some people just like to make stuff up. You may have noticed but devoid of facts some people just invent stuff out of thin sir....denpressure, genetically modified penguins, the ether, Antartic ice wall, ......it's a long list.

Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #93 on: January 17, 2017, 04:54:42 PM »
There were some. Some of those were successful, and some of the successful ones provided fairly high quality photographic data from the surface. What's your definition of 'many'?

What's your point?
My point is that information was available. Pay attention.

Many, some, same difference. Who cares when the point is about availability of information.

Many, a few? When you're making up stuff wholesale, who cares about being accurate?

How much relevant information was available? The Surveyor craft provided some, giving a surface-level view. There were 7 Surveyors launched, and 5 successfully soft landed and returned pictures and other data. A few orbiters and some of the Ranger impactors gave "bird's-eye" views; 3 Rangers (7, 8, and 9) returned pictures until impact; Ranger 9 was broadcast live until it hit the moon as intended. Question: what value would the vertical views be for faking a manned landing? We can get vertical views, albeit lower-resolution, using earthbound telescopes; without the probes, those details revealed by the probes wouldn't have been known, anyway, so where's the win?

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Also, since live TV, it's always been possible to fake live footage. It's simply pre-recorded and broadcast with an overlay text that says "LIVE" - why was that impossible and why would that cost billions?

Not true. In the earliest days of TV, it was not possible to pre-record video.
So according to you this movie was broadcast live from the set? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054331/ since it wasn't possible to prerecord?

No. Why would you think that?

From your IMDB link: Spartacus (1960), 3 hr 4 min (184 min) (premiere), Super Technirama 70 (Technicolor).

That was a movie, shot on 70 mm film, with many scenes, shot at different times, not even shot in order, then spliced together to make a feature-length production and copied to 35 mm and 70 mm prints (later to video); various releases were different lengths, meaning they must have omitted and/or added different clips.

It's not a three-hour live video with a single uninterrupted scene. See the difference? I'm not sure why you think this is relevant. Was it because Stanley Kubrick was the director? Did you think Sparticus was supposed to be taking place on the moon so Kubrick could practice?

Films can be converted to video, of course, typically using a telecine system (television cinema, get it? :D), but there are always artifacts unique to film (scratches and spots on the film, for instance, and grain) that come through the conversion, and the telecine system introduces its own artifacts because of the different frame rates; these make it possible to identify when that conversion has been done.

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It might surprise you, but recording video was not as easy even in the 1960s and early '70s as it is now. Recording as much video as was broadcast, seamlessly, would have been difficult, and if attempted, would require a large number of technicians and other people to be "in on the plot". What happened to all of them? Why have none ever spilled the beans in almost 50 years? Where is the evidence for a sufficiently large, evacuated, studio where your supposed recordings were made? There's just too much conspiracy woo here to be convincing.
It might surprise you how well hollywood was actually doing back then.

You apparently didn't realize that Hollywood was using photographic film, not videotape, back then. Even so, they could produce scenes of only limited length. In a live TV production, on the other hand, a single shot could be indefinitely long.

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Research based on an agenda is not research, it's a cover up.

This is what all Apollo hoax "research" is. Your agenda is to deny the accomplishment of the manned moon landings, so you'll simply concoct whatever story, no matter how implausible, and without any actual evidence, you think advances that.
And you're wrong again. My statement is still true. Our agenda is not to deny an accomplishment but to expose a lie. Politics makes government do the most bizarre things. The bigger the lie....right?

Huh? Are you saying the Apollo missions really happened ("not to deny an accomplishment")? What lie are you "exposing", then? The missions happened as claimed, but the live video was faked? That makes no sense at all.

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Where's the actual research showing that a huge indoor film studio with a backdrop they used for different locations on the moon was impossible to do on Earth and it was easier to just go to the moon?

Where's any evidence there ever was such a huge studio that could have been used for such?

You're quite dunce I'm sorry to say. [Nice ad-hom. You must be getting worried about the strength of your argument. I can't say I blame you.] It's not about proof of it existing or not, it's about it being impossible to have one (whether there was or wasn't) Do you get it?

I think we can agree that if it's impossible, there wasn't one. Right?

So, are there any requirements that would not be possible to meet on earth? You could take a stab at 1/6 gravity by overcranking the cameras by a factor of about 2.5 or so and playing the scenes back at standard speed, yielding slow motion; that simulates low gravity in some ways but introduces other anomalies that might be compensated for with very careful scripting, rehearsal, and production. So let's agree, for the sake of argument, that that is at least potentially doable. Behavior of fine particles and light items with large surface area, on the other hand, is not nearly so easy. As far as I know, they simply won't behave like they're in a vacuum unless they're in a vacuum. If you have any reasonably credible evidence to the contrary, please, let's see it. That means the entire studio must be at least a pretty hard vacuum. It might be possible to create a small studio that could be effectively evacuated, but even you suggest a large studio would be needed to create a convincing fake. Currently, the world's largest vacuum chamber, still under construction (by who else but NASA) is 100 feet in diameter and 132 feet tall. It has a floor area of 7,854 ft2. Note that the span of the LM landing gear was 31 ft X 31 ft, so the LM occupied (or at least straddled) an area of 961 ft2, about 1/8 the available floor space. Your proposed studio would have to be much larger.

Do you really think such a structure as the current one would be possible to build before 1969? How about the vastly larger one actually needed?

I'm still waiting to see evidence that something even remotely suitable was (or, for that matter, is) possible. Until then, my money's on impossible.

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Here's an example of a film studio in the 60's " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">7 1/2-minute video

Very nice. I notice that all of the sets were simulating scenes on earth. Some of the sets were even outdoors. Simulating scenes on earth in a studio on earth avoids a lot of the problems of accurately simulating scenes on the moon in a studio on earth.

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Can you show how the technology at the time was even remotely sufficient to fake all the details convincingly? Until you can at least show that it's possible, there is no need to 'prove' it couldn't. Claims that it might have been possible, without anything to back them up, are meaningless.
Check the first post

Check the replies to the first post.

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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #94 on: January 17, 2017, 04:58:48 PM »
The means to fake the landings was readily available in the 60's. They built huge lunar mockups for "training".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237819/NASAs-ingenious-moon-simulator-helped-prepare-Apollo-astronauts-land-gone-before.html
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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #95 on: January 18, 2017, 12:48:49 AM »
The means to fake the landings was readily available in the 60's. They built huge lunar mockups for "training".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237819/NASAs-ingenious-moon-simulator-helped-prepare-Apollo-astronauts-land-gone-before.html
But according to these lot that set didn't exist in the 60's. Prerecording wasn't possible. Simulation wasn't possible. It was impossible to fake according to them. Technology to fake it didn't exist according to them.

Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #96 on: January 18, 2017, 01:35:49 AM »
Many, a few? When you're making up stuff wholesale, who cares about being accurate?
You clearly don't

How much relevant information was available? The Surveyor craft provided some, giving a surface-level view. There were 7 Surveyors launched, and 5 successfully soft landed and returned pictures and other data. A few orbiters and some of the Ranger impactors gave "bird's-eye" views; 3 Rangers (7, 8, and 9) returned pictures until impact; Ranger 9 was broadcast live until it hit the moon as intended. Question: what value would the vertical views be for faking a manned landing? We can get vertical views, albeit lower-resolution, using earthbound telescopes; without the probes, those details revealed by the probes wouldn't have been known, anyway, so where's the win?

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Also, since live TV, it's always been possible to fake live footage. It's simply pre-recorded and broadcast with an overlay text that says "LIVE" - why was that impossible and why would that cost billions?

 
So according to you this movie was broadcast live from the set? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054331/ since it wasn't possible to prerecord?

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No. Why would you think that?
Because you said:
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In the earliest days of TV, it was not possible to pre-record video.

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You apparently didn't realize that Hollywood was using photographic film, not videotape, back then. Even so, they could produce scenes of only limited length. In a live TV production, on the other hand, a single shot could be indefinitely long.

You just don't get it do you? Ok here's another perspective that might help you. You say the moon footage is real which means the video camera that shot the moon footage is real? Following so far?

And while that real live footage from the moon is available today 2017, it means they recorded the live footage correct? Otherwise it wouldn't be available today.

So if the camera is real, and the footage is real then WHY is it impossible to use that same real camera that existed back then to shoot the footage at an earlier date and broadcast it on the day? Why was that "IMPOSSIBLE" beyond a shadow of doubt?

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Huh? Are you saying the Apollo missions really happened ("not to deny an accomplishment")? What lie are you "exposing", then? The missions happened as claimed, but the live video was faked? That makes no sense at all.

What are you on about? How are you added 2 + 2 and reaching -100?
Who said "not to deny without context" automatically means "accept"? If you ask, then I deny otherwise why would I bring it up when then questions need to be asked about bold claims?

What lie am I exposing? What thread are you reading?

"The missions happened as claimed but the live video was faked?" Seriously how much can you possibly pull out of of your arse lol.

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makes no sense at all
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As far as I know, they simply won't behave like they're in a vacuum unless they're in a vacuum. If you have any reasonably credible evidence to the contrary, please, let's see it. That means the entire studio must be at least a pretty hard vacuum.
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Do you really think such a structure as the current one would be possible to build before 1969? How about the vastly larger one actually needed?

I'm still waiting to see evidence that something even remotely suitable was (or, for that matter, is) possible. Until then, my money's on impossible.

Why are you asking for evidence of a large vacuum chamber? Who is even claiming this? The dust argument has been debunked in this thread, other threads, videos and articles. Since the only evidence of observable live behaviour of the lunar surface is from the faked apollo missions it cannot be used as evidence as that's the one under scrutiny. If you have any other video that confirms the bahaviour of dust on the lunar surface to be impossible to fake on Earth then let us know.

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"Space shuttle to launch into orbit - available" Really?
Yep, really. Otherwise how did Apollo reach the moon to play golf right?

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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #97 on: January 18, 2017, 09:14:48 AM »
You may have noticed but devoid of facts some people just invent stuff out of thin sir....

Why are you still so mental?
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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2017, 09:56:54 AM »
Did none of you notice the crap falling out the actor's backpack around 1:30 - 1:35 in this shitty movie?



Any of you think that crap's falling at 'one sixth gravity'?

Meh...

You're all blind as bats & dumb as dogshit & all you ever do is bark like dogs...

Legba sees every single one of you - KABISA!

Toodle-pip, Losers!
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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2017, 10:37:56 AM »
Many, a few? When you're making up stuff wholesale, who cares about being accurate?
You clearly don't

How much relevant information was available? The Surveyor craft provided some, giving a surface-level view. There were 7 Surveyors launched, and 5 successfully soft landed and returned pictures and other data. A few orbiters and some of the Ranger impactors gave "bird's-eye" views; 3 Rangers (7, 8, and 9) returned pictures until impact; Ranger 9 was broadcast live until it hit the moon as intended. Question: what value would the vertical views be for faking a manned landing? We can get vertical views, albeit lower-resolution, using earthbound telescopes; without the probes, those details revealed by the probes wouldn't have been known, anyway, so where's the win?

The Apollo missions had the benefit of the lunar orbiter probes, which took photographs with extremely good resolution, just not good enough to show the same level of detail in the modern probes that show the details taken in the Apollo surface video and TV.

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Also, since live TV, it's always been possible to fake live footage. It's simply pre-recorded and broadcast with an overlay text that says "LIVE" - why was that impossible and why would that cost billions?

 
So according to you this movie was broadcast live from the set? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054331/ since it wasn't possible to prerecord?

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No. Why would you think that?
Because you said:
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In the earliest days of TV, it was not possible to pre-record video.

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You apparently didn't realize that Hollywood was using photographic film, not videotape, back then. Even so, they could produce scenes of only limited length. In a live TV production, on the other hand, a single shot could be indefinitely long.

You just don't get it do you? Ok here's another perspective that might help you. You say the moon footage is real which means the video camera that shot the moon footage is real? Following so far?

And while that real live footage from the moon is available today 2017, it means they recorded the live footage correct? Otherwise it wouldn't be available today.

So if the camera is real, and the footage is real then WHY is it impossible to use that same real camera that existed back then to shoot the footage at an earlier date and broadcast it on the day? Why was that "IMPOSSIBLE" beyond a shadow of doubt?

But what they couldn't do is insert images of Earth into that recording that showed the right weather. What they couldn't do is have the TV signals come from the moon. They couldn't have broadcast details they didn't know about but are confirmed by later probes.

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Huh? Are you saying the Apollo missions really happened ("not to deny an accomplishment")? What lie are you "exposing", then? The missions happened as claimed, but the live video was faked? That makes no sense at all.

What are you on about? How are you added 2 + 2 and reaching -100?
Who said "not to deny without context" automatically means "accept"? If you ask, then I deny otherwise why would I bring it up when then questions need to be asked about bold claims?

What lie am I exposing? What thread are you reading?

"The missions happened as claimed but the live video was faked?" Seriously how much can you possibly pull out of of your arse lol.

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makes no sense at all
Go figure!


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As far as I know, they simply won't behave like they're in a vacuum unless they're in a vacuum. If you have any reasonably credible evidence to the contrary, please, let's see it. That means the entire studio must be at least a pretty hard vacuum.
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Do you really think such a structure as the current one would be possible to build before 1969? How about the vastly larger one actually needed?

I'm still waiting to see evidence that something even remotely suitable was (or, for that matter, is) possible. Until then, my money's on impossible.

Why are you asking for evidence of a large vacuum chamber? Who is even claiming this? The dust argument has been debunked in this thread, other threads, videos and articles. Since the only evidence of observable live behaviour of the lunar surface is from the faked apollo missions it cannot be used as evidence as that's the one under scrutiny. If you have any other video that confirms the bahaviour of dust on the lunar surface to be impossible to fake on Earth then let us know.

Compare the behaviour of dust from the Chang'e-3 landing with the footage taken during the Apollo landings.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #100 on: January 18, 2017, 10:42:38 AM »
Did none of you notice the crap falling out the actor's backpack around 1:30 - 1:35 in this shitty movie?



Any of you think that crap's falling at 'one sixth gravity'?

Meh...

You're all blind as bats & dumb as dogshit & all you ever do is bark like dogs...

Legba sees every single one of you - KABISA!

Toodle-pip, Losers!

Welcome back, Papa Legba.

The straw grasping and air gasping of the silly shills doesn't seem to stop.

They had the choice between spending 130 billion 2015 dollars on an impossible journey or faking it, what would they do?  :-\
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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #101 on: January 18, 2017, 11:28:59 AM »
They had the choice between spending 130 billion 2015 dollars on an impossible journey or faking it, what would they do?  :-\

I just gave you incontrovertible evidence that the Apollo videos are NOT filmed in 1/6th gravity...

And you swerved it, then spammed up a crappy rhetorical question that amounts to 'do thieves like thieving?'.

Thing is, I just searched for a recent post on 'cluesforum', pertaining to yourself...

And it has been hurriedly deleted.

LOTS of hurried deletions going on now Legba's back in town...

LOTS of panic in the shill-osphere!

Meh...

I'll be banned again soon anyway, so fuck it.

Just remember:

Legba SEES you...

Legba sees ALL voodoo...

So knock that shit off eh?

Toodle-pip, Losers!
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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #102 on: January 18, 2017, 11:34:52 AM »
They had the choice between spending 130 billion 2015 dollars on an impossible journey or faking it, what would they do?  :-\

I just gave you incontrovertible evidence that the Apollo videos are NOT filmed in 1/6th gravity...

And I have elaborated on that before.

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And you swerved it, then spammed up a crappy rhetorical question that amounts to 'do thieves like thieving?'.

No, I didn't "spam" anything. Are you drunk?

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Thing is, I just searched for a recent post on 'cluesforum', pertaining to yourself...

That seems highly unlikely.

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And it has been hurriedly deleted.

LOTS of hurried deletions going on now Legba's back in town...

LOTS of panic in the shill-osphere!

Meh...

I'll be banned again soon anyway, so fuck it.

Just remember:

Legba SEES you...

Legba sees ALL voodoo...

So knock that shit off eh?

Toodle-pip, Losers!

Knock which "shit" off exactly?  ???
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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #103 on: January 18, 2017, 12:23:53 PM »
Knock which "shit" off exactly?

The same shit you're doing now that I just pointed out you were doing before...

You know; avoiding the point & spamming rhetorical bullshit instead.

Why are you so mental?

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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #104 on: January 18, 2017, 12:51:27 PM »
Knock which "shit" off exactly?

The same shit you're doing now that I just pointed out you were doing before...

You know; avoiding the point & spamming rhetorical bullshit instead.

Why are you so mental?
It wasn't his normal dreamless sleep, the demon of his mind having control of his unconscious psyche. The demon must've been asleep itself, or dormant for once. Whatever the case, Papa Legba was thrashing in his sleep. The combination of the dark magic he practiced and his natural born disabilities made things very interesting in terms of how he spent his unconscious hours. Which is why he kept those to an absolute minimum.

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The house exploded into flames, and he heard the same familiar bloodcurdling scream of his former love and wife once more, as she started the very fire that killed her, her own mental state having gone south... thanks to digging into his own.

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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #105 on: January 18, 2017, 12:52:14 PM »
They had the choice between spending 130 billion 2015 dollars on an impossible journey or faking it, what would they do?  :-\

I just gave you incontrovertible evidence that the Apollo videos are NOT filmed in 1/6th gravity...

And you swerved it, then spammed up a crappy rhetorical question that amounts to 'do thieves like thieving?'.

Thing is, I just searched for a recent post on 'cluesforum', pertaining to yourself...

And it has been hurriedly deleted.

LOTS of hurried deletions going on now Legba's back in town...

LOTS of panic in the shill-osphere!

Meh...

I'll be banned again soon anyway, so fuck it.

Just remember:

Legba SEES you...

Legba sees ALL voodoo...

So knock that shit off eh?

Toodle-pip, Losers!

That's you papa stil pedalling your bullshit. Looks like the pills ain't working! Have the voices returned?

Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #106 on: January 18, 2017, 12:54:15 PM »
For me the strongest argument is that the soviet union did not cry "FAKE" at the top of their lungs. They would have, if they had the slightest piece of evidence. After all they ruined half their country with this space-race.

Instead, they tracked the lunar capsule, verified the landing and sent their congratulations to the americans.

Horse feathers.

Believes "The Cold War," was actually real and not just a fear mongering propin order to keep the masses under control.

When are you going to stop buying governmental crap?

Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #107 on: January 18, 2017, 01:04:01 PM »
For me the strongest argument is that the soviet union did not cry "FAKE" at the top of their lungs. They would have, if they had the slightest piece of evidence. After all they ruined half their country with this space-race.

Instead, they tracked the lunar capsule, verified the landing and sent their congratulations to the americans.

Horse feathers.

Believes "The Cold War," was actually real and not just a fear mongering propin order to keep the masses under control.

When are you going to stop buying governmental crap?

On top of that the argument that if the SU would cry "FAKE" about Apollo, the US would have cried "FAKE" about Sputnik, Luna and all the other fake "space travels".

But apparently the Soviet freakin' Union has become the standard for the desperate demons and silly shills.  ::)
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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #108 on: January 18, 2017, 01:15:31 PM »
Many, a few? When you're making up stuff wholesale, who cares about being accurate?
You clearly don't

You were the one claiming "many" and "some" were no different, even when the correct description was "a few", not me.
 
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How much relevant information was available? The Surveyor craft provided some, giving a surface-level view. There were 7 Surveyors launched, and 5 successfully soft landed and returned pictures and other data. A few orbiters and some of the Ranger impactors gave "bird's-eye" views; 3 Rangers (7, 8, and 9) returned pictures until impact; Ranger 9 was broadcast live until it hit the moon as intended. Question: what value would the vertical views be for faking a manned landing? We can get vertical views, albeit lower-resolution, using earthbound telescopes; without the probes, those details revealed by the probes wouldn't have been known, anyway, so where's the win?

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Also, since live TV, it's always been possible to fake live footage. It's simply pre-recorded and broadcast with an overlay text that says "LIVE" - why was that impossible and why would that cost billions?

So according to you this movie was broadcast live from the set? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054331/ since it wasn't possible to prerecord?

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No. Why would you think that?
Because you said:
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In the earliest days of TV, it was not possible to pre-record video.

And I stand by that. The earliest days of television were more than ten years before Sparticus was released in 1960, so I don't see the relevance. Your claim that "since live TV, it's always been possible to fake live footage. It's simply pre-recorded and broadcast..." is wrong. Live TV became widespread between soon after the end of WWII and the mid-1950s[nb]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_set#History[/nb][Note: footnotes are wonky in the presence of nested quotes on this site. Click the superscripted item to the left and it will take you to the footnote]. The first practical video recorders became available in 1956[nb]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_tape_recorder#History[/nb], meaning that until almost a decade after the introduction of live TV broadcasting, it couldn't be recorded as video. It was possible to convert film to video and vice-versa, but that film chain always produces telltale artifacts. There were even earlier experimental television systems, and a few thousand electronic television sets using more-or-less modern (for the '50s) standards predated the war, but that does the opposite of supporting your hyperbole since none of that could be recorded as video, either (although, again, film intermediate was possible). Sometimes television shows were filmed by focusing a synchronized movie camera at a monitor for preservation or even distribution to other television stations for later broadcast, but those came with a noticeable drop in quality from the original live production.

So, realistically, no.
 
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You apparently didn't realize that Hollywood was using photographic film, not videotape, back then. Even so, they could produce scenes of only limited length. In a live TV production, on the other hand, a single shot could be indefinitely long.

You just don't get it do you? Ok here's another perspective that might help you. You say the moon footage is real which means the video camera that shot the moon footage is real? Following so far?

And while that real live footage from the moon is available today 2017, it means they recorded the live footage correct? Otherwise it wouldn't be available today.

Is the whole live TV feed of all of those missions available without interruptions to this day? We find various snippets (usually the most interesting parts) all over the Internet now, but the live feeds sometimes lasted for hours.

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So if the camera is real, and the footage is real then WHY is it impossible to use that same real camera that existed back then to shoot the footage at an earlier date and broadcast it on the day?

Because the recording technology of the day would have required breaks.

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Why was that "IMPOSSIBLE" beyond a shadow of doubt?

Because they didn't have the capability to record sufficiently long video at the time.

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Huh? Are you saying the Apollo missions really happened ("not to deny an accomplishment")? What lie are you "exposing", then? The missions happened as claimed, but the live video was faked? That makes no sense at all.

What are you on about? How are you added 2 + 2 and reaching -100?
Who said "not to deny without context" automatically means "accept"? If you ask, then I deny otherwise why would I bring it up when then questions need to be asked about bold claims?
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I don't remember anyone saying "not to deny without context". What I was asking about was this statement:

Our agenda is not to deny an accomplishment but to expose a lie.

What lie am I exposing? What thread are you reading?

Which thread? I would think the quotes should make that clear enough, but in case it's not clear, it's this thread.

Now that that's cleared up, and since you are trying to evade answering the question, I'll presume you have no answer. On the off chance you were just confused yourself about my question, I'll try once more.

What lie are you trying to expose? Is it that you think the manned moon missions were all fake, but some conspiracy (or some group, for some reason) is claiming it's real? Yes or no?

If you answer yes, doesn't that mean you're denying they happened at all, which would be saying an accomplishment never happened, right? How is that different than denying the accomplishment?

If you answer no, does that mean you believe the manned moon landings are not a lie, and did take place? If so, then what lie are you trying to expose?
 
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"The missions happened as claimed but the live video was faked?" Seriously how much can you possibly pull out of of your arse lol.

It's difficult to follow what you were trying to say. No denial of [the] accomplishment, but something is a lie. That was a guess. So what did you mean?
 
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makes no sense at all
Go figure!

Are you admitting that "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, then baffle 'em with bullshit" is your approach to the topic? That would explain a lot.

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As far as I know, they simply won't behave like they're in a vacuum unless they're in a vacuum. If you have any reasonably credible evidence to the contrary, please, let's see it. That means the entire studio must be at least a pretty hard vacuum.
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Do you really think such a structure as the current one would be possible to build before 1969? How about the vastly larger one actually needed?

I'm still waiting to see evidence that something even remotely suitable was (or, for that matter, is) possible. Until then, my money's on impossible.

Why are you asking for evidence of a large vacuum chamber?

Because it would be needed, as explained in the embedded quote above.

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Who is even claiming this?

The ones claiming it was faked in a large studio on earth.

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The dust argument has been debunked in this thread, other threads, videos and articles. [not successfully; if you believe otherwise, citation needed] Since the only evidence of observable live behaviour of the lunar surface is from the faked apollo missions it cannot be used as evidence as that's the one under scrutiny. If you have any other video that confirms the bahaviour of dust on the lunar surface to be impossible to fake on Earth then let us know.

We know the moon has no atmosphere, most directly based on observations of stellar occultations, as well as others. We know how fine particles (and items with little mass but large surface area) behave in the presence of an atmosphere by observation, and we know the behavior of fine particles (etc.) in a vacuum through understanding of fluid mechanics backed by experiments. None of this is particularly exotic. The behavior of this material as shown in the moon-landing films and videos requires a vacuum.

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"Space shuttle to launch into orbit - available" Really?
Yep, really. Otherwise how did Apollo reach the moon to play golf right?

Saturn V, Apollo Command/Service Module, and Lunar Module. The Space Shuttle didn't exist at the time.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #109 on: January 18, 2017, 02:31:00 PM »
Many, a few? When you're making up stuff wholesale, who cares about being accurate?
You clearly don't

You were the one claiming "many" and "some" were no different, even when the correct description was "a few", not me.
 
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How much relevant information was available? The Surveyor craft provided some, giving a surface-level view. There were 7 Surveyors launched, and 5 successfully soft landed and returned pictures and other data. A few orbiters and some of the Ranger impactors gave "bird's-eye" views; 3 Rangers (7, 8, and 9) returned pictures until impact; Ranger 9 was broadcast live until it hit the moon as intended. Question: what value would the vertical views be for faking a manned landing? We can get vertical views, albeit lower-resolution, using earthbound telescopes; without the probes, those details revealed by the probes wouldn't have been known, anyway, so where's the win?

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Also, since live TV, it's always been possible to fake live footage. It's simply pre-recorded and broadcast with an overlay text that says "LIVE" - why was that impossible and why would that cost billions?

So according to you this movie was broadcast live from the set? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054331/ since it wasn't possible to prerecord?

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No. Why would you think that?
Because you said:
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In the earliest days of TV, it was not possible to pre-record video.

And I stand by that. The earliest days of television were more than ten years before Sparticus was released in 1960, so I don't see the relevance. Your claim that "since live TV, it's always been possible to fake live footage. It's simply pre-recorded and broadcast..." is wrong. Live TV became widespread between soon after the end of WWII and the mid-1950s[nb]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_set#History[/nb][Note: footnotes are wonky in the presence of nested quotes on this site. Click the superscripted item to the left and it will take you to the footnote]. The first practical video recorders became available in 1956[nb]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_tape_recorder#History[/nb], meaning that until almost a decade after the introduction of live TV broadcasting, it couldn't be recorded as video. It was possible to convert film to video and vice-versa, but that film chain always produces telltale artifacts. There were even earlier experimental television systems, and a few thousand electronic television sets using more-or-less modern (for the '50s) standards predated the war, but that does the opposite of supporting your hyperbole since none of that could be recorded as video, either (although, again, film intermediate was possible). Sometimes television shows were filmed by focusing a synchronized movie camera at a monitor for preservation or even distribution to other television stations for later broadcast, but those came with a noticeable drop in quality from the original live production.

So, realistically, no.
 
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You apparently didn't realize that Hollywood was using photographic film, not videotape, back then. Even so, they could produce scenes of only limited length. In a live TV production, on the other hand, a single shot could be indefinitely long.

You just don't get it do you? Ok here's another perspective that might help you. You say the moon footage is real which means the video camera that shot the moon footage is real? Following so far?

And while that real live footage from the moon is available today 2017, it means they recorded the live footage correct? Otherwise it wouldn't be available today.

Is the whole live TV feed of all of those missions available without interruptions to this day? We find various snippets (usually the most interesting parts) all over the Internet now, but the live feeds sometimes lasted for hours.

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So if the camera is real, and the footage is real then WHY is it impossible to use that same real camera that existed back then to shoot the footage at an earlier date and broadcast it on the day?

Because the recording technology of the day would have required breaks.

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Why was that "IMPOSSIBLE" beyond a shadow of doubt?

Because they didn't have the capability to record sufficiently long video at the time.

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Huh? Are you saying the Apollo missions really happened ("not to deny an accomplishment")? What lie are you "exposing", then? The missions happened as claimed, but the live video was faked? That makes no sense at all.

What are you on about? How are you added 2 + 2 and reaching -100?
Who said "not to deny without context" automatically means "accept"? If you ask, then I deny otherwise why would I bring it up when then questions need to be asked about bold claims?
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I don't remember anyone saying "not to deny without context". What I was asking about was this statement:

Our agenda is not to deny an accomplishment but to expose a lie.

What lie am I exposing? What thread are you reading?

Which thread? I would think the quotes should make that clear enough, but in case it's not clear, it's this thread.

Now that that's cleared up, and since you are trying to evade answering the question, I'll presume you have no answer. On the off chance you were just confused yourself about my question, I'll try once more.

What lie are you trying to expose? Is it that you think the manned moon missions were all fake, but some conspiracy (or some group, for some reason) is claiming it's real? Yes or no?

If you answer yes, doesn't that mean you're denying they happened at all, which would be saying an accomplishment never happened, right? How is that different than denying the accomplishment?

If you answer no, does that mean you believe the manned moon landings are not a lie, and did take place? If so, then what lie are you trying to expose?
 
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"The missions happened as claimed but the live video was faked?" Seriously how much can you possibly pull out of of your arse lol.

It's difficult to follow what you were trying to say. No denial of [the] accomplishment, but something is a lie. That was a guess. So what did you mean?
 
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makes no sense at all
Go figure!

Are you admitting that "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, then baffle 'em with bullshit" is your approach to the topic? That would explain a lot.

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As far as I know, they simply won't behave like they're in a vacuum unless they're in a vacuum. If you have any reasonably credible evidence to the contrary, please, let's see it. That means the entire studio must be at least a pretty hard vacuum.
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Do you really think such a structure as the current one would be possible to build before 1969? How about the vastly larger one actually needed?

I'm still waiting to see evidence that something even remotely suitable was (or, for that matter, is) possible. Until then, my money's on impossible.

Why are you asking for evidence of a large vacuum chamber?

Because it would be needed, as explained in the embedded quote above.

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Who is even claiming this?

The ones claiming it was faked in a large studio on earth.

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The dust argument has been debunked in this thread, other threads, videos and articles. [not successfully; if you believe otherwise, citation needed] Since the only evidence of observable live behaviour of the lunar surface is from the faked apollo missions it cannot be used as evidence as that's the one under scrutiny. If you have any other video that confirms the bahaviour of dust on the lunar surface to be impossible to fake on Earth then let us know.

We know the moon has no atmosphere, most directly based on observations of stellar occultations, as well as others. We know how fine particles (and items with little mass but large surface area) behave in the presence of an atmosphere by observation, and we know the behavior of fine particles (etc.) in a vacuum through understanding of fluid mechanics backed by experiments. None of this is particularly exotic. The behavior of this material as shown in the moon-landing films and videos requires a vacuum.

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"Space shuttle to launch into orbit - available" Really?
Yep, really. Otherwise how did Apollo reach the moon to play golf right?

Saturn V, Apollo Command/Service Module, and Lunar Module. The Space Shuttle didn't exist at the time.

Nice post, very well presented.

Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #110 on: January 18, 2017, 07:08:32 PM »
You were the one claiming "many" and "some" were no different, even when the correct description was "a few", not me.
What does that have to do with anything? "You clearly don't" was the answer to "who cares about being accurate?" as that was the question. Why ask a question, then use the answer to it for something only remotely related to the question itself? And you expect to defend the moon landing when you can't get basic discussion right? Good luck.

Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #111 on: January 18, 2017, 07:49:30 PM »
So, realistically, no.
Yet you're still not proving it was "IMPOSSIBLE" and it was easier and cheaper to "simply" go to the moon.
 
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Is the whole live TV feed of all of those missions available without interruptions to this day? We find various snippets (usually the most interesting parts) all over the Internet now, but the live feeds sometimes lasted for hours.
It would be available today if the moon landing was real. There'd be hundreds of official recordings as well as unofficial and they would have edited together every live recording for a seamless digital rendering of the GREATEST achievement in history. But they haven't because they didn't go to the moon. It really is that simple.

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So if the camera is real, and the footage is real then WHY is it impossible to use that same real camera that existed back then to shoot the footage at an earlier date and broadcast it on the day?

Because the recording technology of the day would have required breaks.
Have you even seen the live videos? EVERY single frame looks like a break. How could you even tell? I've cut of video tape and sellotaped it from the back and I got almost perfect playback from that. Why do you pretend that "breaks" would be a lengthy bright pink screen or something that would give the fakery away?

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Why was that "IMPOSSIBLE" beyond a shadow of doubt?

Because they didn't have the capability to record sufficiently long video at the time.

Whether they did or didn't, they didn't have to. That's the point

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Which thread? I would think the quotes should make that clear enough, but in case it's not clear, it's this thread.

Now that that's cleared up, and since you are trying to evade answering the question, I'll presume you have no answer. On the off chance you were just confused yourself about my question, I'll try once more.
It's not about the quotes. You're a very confused person. You ask a question and then use the answer for completely unrelated or different thing.

"Evading question" is just an empty phrase from hardcore moon landing believers. There was no question really to answer. A stupid question is usually given a stupid answer unless the stupid question is out of ignorance then it's in the name of learning. Even then the answer was in the statement if you were smart enough to see it.

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What lie are you trying to expose? Is it that you think the manned moon missions were all fake, but some conspiracy (or some group, for some reason) is claiming it's real? Yes or no?
Yes

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If you answer yes, doesn't that mean you're denying they happened at all, which would be saying an accomplishment never happened, right? How is that different than denying the accomplishment?

Denying an accomplishment is invalidating something that happened. Exposing a lie is denying something that never happened. Do you understand the difference?

Example: Scoring a goal from 130 yards
Denying an accomplishment: Judging that the ball didn't cross the line
Exposing a lie: Proving that the video of it was staged

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If you answer no....
I didn't
 
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Are you admitting that "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, then baffle 'em with bullshit" is your approach to the topic? That would explain a lot.
I didn't realise that simple things would baffle you. Normally, anything beyond the understanding of a person is usually referred to as "bullshit" so thanks

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Why are you asking for evidence of a large vacuum chamber?

Because it would be needed, as explained in the embedded quote above.
The embedded video doesn't prove that a vacuum would be needed. If that fools you then it's not my fault and you can't simply brush aside the question of probability based on that.

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Who is even claiming this?

The ones claiming it was faked in a large studio on earth.

I claim it was a large studio. But I am not claiming that it was a large vacuum studio. So why are you making things up?

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We know the moon has no atmosphere, most directly based on observations of stellar occultations, as well as others. We know how fine particles (and items with little mass but large surface area) behave in the presence of an atmosphere by observation, and we know the behavior of fine particles (etc.) in a vacuum through understanding of fluid mechanics backed by experiments. None of this is particularly exotic. The behavior of this material as shown in the moon-landing films and videos requires a vacuum.
But it doesn't. I just told you there's plenty of articles, videos, simulations that PROVES atmosphere as well as the ability to recreate the effects with very premature basic slow motion.

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"Space shuttle to launch into orbit - available" Really?
Yep, really. Otherwise how did Apollo reach the moon to play golf right?

Saturn V, Apollo Command/Service Module, and Lunar Module. The Space Shuttle didn't exist at the time.
[/quote]So I got the vehicle name wrong. Yes shuttles are from the 70's. Spacecrafts are not as you've answered (your own question without realising). The "point" was that it was possible to orbit the earth. One of the things listed in the first post.
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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #112 on: January 18, 2017, 08:15:41 PM »
How about instead of crying on and on, why don't you make a rebuttal to the two videos posted on the first page.
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It's no slur if it's fact.

Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #113 on: January 18, 2017, 08:18:35 PM »
How about instead of crying on and on, why don't you make a rebuttal to the two videos posted on the first page.
Forget the first page, how about refuting the first post with answers instead of a youtube music video with no actual information about the opening post?

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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #114 on: January 18, 2017, 08:28:08 PM »
I thought I'd heard it all but this is new to me.

Do people actually believe that faking the moon landings was impossible and it was easier to just send humans there instead?

On what basis is this claimed?

Here's my take on it:

Requirements to fake a moon landing:

  • Film studio - available
Umm ok

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  • Government controlled and monitored desert - available
Maybe

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  • Video camera - available
Shown to not be availible to fake the footage.

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  • Extremely smart Hollywood producers - available
No one would keep it a secret in this day and age.

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  • Full control over the live feed to the media - available
Maybe

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  • Camera speed control - available
As the videos show, they do not have the control they needed. They cannot slow down the footage to fake low gravity while keeping movements looking normal.

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  • Editing capabilities - available
Ok terrific.

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  • Space shuttle to launch into orbit - available
  • Live footage from orbit - available
  • Ability to return from orbit - done
Umm you may want to check with other people on that.If you can go to space you can go to the moon, this is using your logic.

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So how was it impossible? What exactly was impossible to fake?
As the videos show, you cannot fake the footage with the technology of the time.

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This thread is about the possibility of faking it. Not whether it was faked or not.
"Correlation does not imply causation"
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It's no slur if it's fact.

Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #115 on: January 18, 2017, 08:40:50 PM »
So, realistically, no.
Yet you're still not proving it was "IMPOSSIBLE" and it was easier and cheaper to "simply" go to the moon.
 
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Is the whole live TV feed of all of those missions available without interruptions to this day? We find various snippets (usually the most interesting parts) all over the Internet now, but the live feeds sometimes lasted for hours.
It would be available today if the moon landing was real. There'd be hundreds of official recordings as well as unofficial and they would have edited together every live recording for a seamless digital rendering of the GREATEST achievement in history. But they haven't because they didn't go to the moon. It really is that simple.

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So if the camera is real, and the footage is real then WHY is it impossible to use that same real camera that existed back then to shoot the footage at an earlier date and broadcast it on the day?

Because the recording technology of the day would have required breaks.
Have you even seen the live videos? EVERY single frame looks like a break. How could you even tell? I've cut of video tape and sellotaped it from the back and I got almost perfect playback from that. Why do you pretend that "breaks" would be a lengthy bright pink screen or something that would give the fakery away?

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Why was that "IMPOSSIBLE" beyond a shadow of doubt?

Because they didn't have the capability to record sufficiently long video at the time.

Whether they did or didn't, they didn't have to. That's the point

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Which thread? I would think the quotes should make that clear enough, but in case it's not clear, it's this thread.

Now that that's cleared up, and since you are trying to evade answering the question, I'll presume you have no answer. On the off chance you were just confused yourself about my question, I'll try once more.
It's not about the quotes. You're a very confused person. You ask a question and then use the answer for completely unrelated or different thing.

"Evading question" is just an empty phrase from hardcore moon landing believers. There was no question really to answer. A stupid question is usually given a stupid answer unless the stupid question is out of ignorance then it's in the name of learning. Even then the answer was in the statement if you were smart enough to see it.

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What lie are you trying to expose? Is it that you think the manned moon missions were all fake, but some conspiracy (or some group, for some reason) is claiming it's real? Yes or no?
Yes

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If you answer yes, doesn't that mean you're denying they happened at all, which would be saying an accomplishment never happened, right? How is that different than denying the accomplishment?

Denying an accomplishment is invalidating something that happened. Exposing a lie is denying something that never happened. Do you understand the difference?

Example: Scoring a goal from 130 yards
Denying an accomplishment: Judging that the ball didn't cross the line
Exposing a lie: Proving that the video of it was staged

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If you answer no....
I didn't
 
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Are you admitting that "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, then baffle 'em with bullshit" is your approach to the topic? That would explain a lot.
I didn't realise that simple things would baffle you. Normally, anything beyond the understanding of a person is usually referred to as "bullshit" so thanks

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Why are you asking for evidence of a large vacuum chamber?

Because it would be needed, as explained in the embedded quote above.
The embedded video doesn't prove that a vacuum would be needed. If that fools you then it's not my fault and you can't simply brush aside the question of probability based on that.

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Who is even claiming this?

The ones claiming it was faked in a large studio on earth.

I claim it was a large studio. But I am not claiming that it was a large vacuum studio. So why are you making things up?

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We know the moon has no atmosphere, most directly based on observations of stellar occultations, as well as others. We know how fine particles (and items with little mass but large surface area) behave in the presence of an atmosphere by observation, and we know the behavior of fine particles (etc.) in a vacuum through understanding of fluid mechanics backed by experiments. None of this is particularly exotic. The behavior of this material as shown in the moon-landing films and videos requires a vacuum.
But it doesn't. I just told you there's plenty of articles, videos, simulations that PROVES atmosphere as well as the ability to recreate the effects with very premature basic slow motion.

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"Space shuttle to launch into orbit - available" Really?
Yep, really. Otherwise how did Apollo reach the moon to play golf right?

Saturn V, Apollo Command/Service Module, and Lunar Module. The Space Shuttle didn't exist at the time.
So I got the vehicle name wrong. Yes shuttles are from the 70's. Spacecrafts are not as you've answered (your own question without realising). The "point" was that it was possible to orbit the earth. One of the things listed in the first post.
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Excellent post, thank you.
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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #116 on: January 18, 2017, 09:08:23 PM »
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  • Video camera - available
Shown to not be availible to fake the footage.
Nothing has been shown that proves what you're saying. They stream video to Earth from the moon according to you right? And we say they pre-recorded it. Either way, the video camera WAS available according to both parties. Do you get this point now?

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  • Extremely smart Hollywood producers - available
No one would keep it a secret in this day and age.
No one would? Still doesn't prove that no one "could" - it doesn't make it "impossible" - sticking to the point only. Nothing else.

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  • Camera speed control - available
As the videos show, they do not have the control they needed. They cannot slow down the footage to fake low gravity while keeping movements looking normal.
And as other videos and articles show, it can. So while there's evidence it can be done, the "possibility" still remains

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  • Space shuttle spacecrafts to launch into orbit - available
  • Live footage from orbit - available
  • Ability to return from orbit - done
Umm you may want to check with other people on that.If you can go to space you can go to the moon, this is using your logic.
My point was that it was possible to get into orbit to record the live videos of being in space and show the earth from a distance faked.

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So how was it impossible? What exactly was impossible to fake?
As the videos show, you cannot fake the footage with the technology of the time.
No it doesn't show that. You can keep telling yourself it does but it doesn't. Easy to say "technology not available" but without a list of technologies needed to fake it that wasn't available (as I've provided a list to fake it that was available) this claim is baseless. And the irony... no technology to fake footage but enough technology to reach the moon. Amazing.

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This thread is about the possibility of faking it. Not whether it was faked or not.
"Correlation does not imply causation"
Invalid phrase. You might wanna read more on it.... here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #117 on: January 18, 2017, 11:24:22 PM »
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Is the whole live TV feed of all of those missions available without interruptions to this day? We find various snippets (usually the most interesting parts) all over the Internet now, but the live feeds sometimes lasted for hours.
It would be available today if the moon landing was real. There'd be hundreds of official recordings as well as unofficial and they would have edited together every live recording for a seamless digital rendering of the GREATEST achievement in history. But they haven't because they didn't go to the moon. It really is that simple.

They are available. Youtube alone has the complete TV transmissions from the EVAs, and you can buy them from Spacecraft Films, which has all the TV and 16mm footage (amongst other things) for all the missions.

I have the sets from Apollo 8, 11 and 15.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #118 on: January 18, 2017, 11:30:48 PM »
My point was that it was possible to get into orbit to record the live videos of being in space and show the earth from a distance faked.

You can't film the entire Earth from LEO. You can get the entire Eath in from a geostationary orbit, but that wouldn't show you the Earth rotating over time, which the photos and TV transmissions do.

The TV transmissions from cislunar space en route to the moon could only have been broadcast from where they were said to broadcast, and could only be broadcast at the time they were broadcast, otherwise the meteorological fingerprint from the time of transmission would not match that from satellite images - satellite images that were not available during those transmissions. Everything about the images of Earth filmed, broadcast and photographed over the course of the missions is absolutely and entirely consistent with documented fact and mission timelines - right down to where the subsolar point appears.
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Facts won't do what I want them to.

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Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« Reply #119 on: January 19, 2017, 12:41:47 AM »
Quote from: Alpha2Omega
Is the whole live TV feed of all of those missions available without interruptions to this day? We find various snippets (usually the most interesting parts) all over the Internet now, but the live feeds sometimes lasted for hours.

They are available. Youtube alone has the complete TV transmissions from the EVAs, and you can buy them from Spacecraft Films, which has all the TV and 16mm footage (amongst other things) for all the missions.

I have the sets from Apollo 8, 11 and 15.
Make up your minds. You two moon landing believers can battle this one out.

Conclusion: It was possible to record/edit/cut/modify large lengths of videos.. another point against the claim that it was impossible. Thanks