The Sun??

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2016, 07:59:38 PM »
It was just a joke. I'm he sure he can handle it as much as he dishes out. He's always saying people are spelling his name wrong.
Besides, posting personal information is "against the rules". So no, I don't want to know anything about him. Not even his bra size.
What! This place has "rules"? Enforced be who?  ::) Jroa  ::) ? If you want rules, try TFES.org.
OK, you should look up who the real "Joe Roa" is. I think jroa would be honoured to be confused with him.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2016, 07:58:49 PM »
The Roa Constrictor.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2016, 11:19:03 AM »
The J Roa constrictor, if you know what I mean. 

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2017, 04:24:43 AM »
The J Roa constrictor, if you know what I mean.
I believe I see what you mean. Not a bad username to pick.
;D ;D ;D Are J Roa constrictors the Chilean variant of the anaconda? ;D ;D ;D

And this is soccer?
Gets a bit rough out there - if I have the right person.

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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2017, 04:37:47 AM »
The J Roa constrictor, if you know what I mean.
I know what you mean. ;)
God is real.                                         
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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2019, 04:47:03 PM »
the ocean is like a flat lake on a mountain
- when you are on that lake shore and you see the sun set , the sun is now lighting another part of the mountain , lower than the lake-
but no matter how big the lake is , you will always be able to see a ship with a telescope , no matter how far it is - but at night you will need a flashlight
Everything, is in EMBRYO, not in mathematics. 
Please look at the 1/4 moon when it's around at noon ; We cannot see anything between it and the sun.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2019, 05:09:35 PM »
the ocean is like a flat lake on a mountain
- when you are on that lake shore and you see the sun set , the sun is now lighting another part of the mountain , lower than the lake-
but no matter how big the lake is , you will always be able to see a ship with a telescope , no matter how far it is - but at night you will need a flashlight

Can you show us an example of a ship, say 1000 miles away, pulled back into view with a really good telescope. I have never seen an example myself.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2019, 05:20:36 PM »
Everything, is in EMBRYO, not in mathematics. 
Please look at the 1/4 moon when it's around at noon ; We cannot see anything between it and the sun.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2019, 05:23:01 PM »
Raa! Well met, friend.
"Never think you can turn over any old falsehood without a terrible squirming of the horrid little population that dwells under it." -O.W. Holmes "Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne.."

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2019, 05:26:00 PM »
together we roam the bubble ; thick or thin
Everything, is in EMBRYO, not in mathematics. 
Please look at the 1/4 moon when it's around at noon ; We cannot see anything between it and the sun.

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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2019, 05:34:53 PM »
the ocean is like a flat lake on a mountain
- when you are on that lake shore and you see the sun set , the sun is now lighting another part of the mountain , lower than the lake-
but no matter how big the lake is , you will always be able to see a ship with a telescope , no matter how far it is - but at night you will need a flashlight
This sounds like the old Greek flat earth from Homer's time. Look what Homer wrote:
Quote from: Homer
Odyssey Translated by Samuel Butler
Moreover, she made the wind fair and warm for him, and gladly did glorious Odysseus spread his sail before it, while he sat and guided the raft skillfully by means of the rudder. He never closed his eyes, but kept them fixed on the Pleiades, on late-setting Boötes, and on the Bear—which men also call the wagon, and which turns round and round where it is, facing Orion: she alone has no share in the baths of Okeanos —for Kalypsō, bright among goddesses, had told him to keep this to his left. Seventeen days did he sail over the sea, and on the eighteenth the dim outlines of the mountains on the nearest part of the Phaeacian coast appeared, rising like a shield on the horizon.
And, though the following might not be a direct translation:

                                          Odysseus Book Two The Return, By Valerio Massimo Manfredi
"And watched until it disappeared over the horizon".

So rather than "ocean being like a flat lake on a mountain" near the end of the 8th century BC it was accepted that the sea was "curved" though they did not see the earth as a sphere more like an up-turned shield with a surrounding curved ocean.

But these Greeks only saw a small part of the earth.
How can your ideas explain the sun rising and setting at different times around the world? That is why Rowbotham postulated the sun circling above the flat earth.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2019, 05:44:51 PM »
imagine the blue sky is an upside down soup bowl and you're standing on the earth -
we are actually standing near the top of a mountain and the mountain is microscopically small inside this bowl -
we say that the earth is flat but there are many mountain and plains all the way to the bowl -
the sun is circling above with one ray focused on mankind -
Everything, is in EMBRYO, not in mathematics. 
Please look at the 1/4 moon when it's around at noon ; We cannot see anything between it and the sun.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2019, 05:52:33 PM »
all lake tops are flat ,
even if they're on the side of a mountain ,
Everything, is in EMBRYO, not in mathematics. 
Please look at the 1/4 moon when it's around at noon ; We cannot see anything between it and the sun.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2019, 06:31:49 PM »
all lake tops are flat ,
even if they're on the side of a mountain ,
I was only posting what Homer wrote but he seemed to accept something hid distant hills with:
   "on the eighteenth the dim outlines of the mountains on the nearest part of the Phaeacian coast appeared, rising like a shield on the horizon"
"And watched until it disappeared over the horizon".

But are "all lake tops are flat"? That is the big question. Look at this:

Chicago from Michigan City, IN
(33 miles from skyline) - the lake ate 1/2 the sun too!
It sure looks like a "curved lake" hiding not only most of Chicago but 1/2 the Sun and all the opposite shore of Lake Michigan.
There are many more similar examples.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2019, 06:42:05 PM »
of course , the camera has to zoom …
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telescopic+view+of+ship+over+horizon

I poked through a bunch of these and am not seeing what maybe you're seeing. The first one on the list shows the top of the sail disappearing over the horizon. It's not very small when it does so.



So are you saying that if you looked at it with a significant zoom, the ship would pop back up and we would see where the hull meets the water line? Like this (perhaps at any distance):


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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2019, 06:44:42 PM »
I understand that it is not possible to polish Homers' telescope, but I just polished Galileos' and I can see street lights in Chicago , but not the sun - wait … maybe if I turn on my flashlight .
Everything, is in EMBRYO, not in mathematics. 
Please look at the 1/4 moon when it's around at noon ; We cannot see anything between it and the sun.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2019, 06:47:26 PM »
of course , the camera has to zoom …
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=telescopic+view+of+ship+over+horizon

I poked through a bunch of these and am not seeing what maybe you're seeing. The first one on the list shows the top of the sail disappearing over the horizon. It's not very small when it does so.
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let me find you a good one



So are you saying that if you looked at it with a significant zoom, the ship would pop back up and we would see where the hull meets the water line? Like this (perhaps at any distance):


Everything, is in EMBRYO, not in mathematics. 
Please look at the 1/4 moon when it's around at noon ; We cannot see anything between it and the sun.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2019, 07:02:41 PM »
lookee du
Everything, is in EMBRYO, not in mathematics. 
Please look at the 1/4 moon when it's around at noon ; We cannot see anything between it and the sun.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2019, 07:07:02 PM »
I saw a video last year about a yacht 140 miles out to sea , and they zoomed on it so that it looked like it was 100 feet away. Can't find. it had a good quality camera .
Everything, is in EMBRYO, not in mathematics. 
Please look at the 1/4 moon when it's around at noon ; We cannot see anything between it and the sun.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2019, 07:13:26 PM »
HERE IT IS ^

Everything, is in EMBRYO, not in mathematics. 
Please look at the 1/4 moon when it's around at noon ; We cannot see anything between it and the sun.

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« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2019, 08:04:58 PM »
HERE IT IS ^


No way that is 140 miles out. it is not over the horizon yet and just below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out.

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« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2019, 08:06:13 PM »
lookee du

and more of the same. Just below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out.


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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2019, 08:32:59 PM »
lol, it is so funny to watch the roundies run around yelling, "It is not true, because round Earth theory tells us!"

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2019, 08:33:51 PM »
I saw a video last year about a yacht 140 miles out to sea , and they zoomed on it so that it looked like it was 100 feet away. Can't find. it had a good quality camera .
I find the claim of "a yacht 140 miles out to sea . . . zoomed on it so that it looked like it was 100 feet away" totally unbelievable.
It's no wonder you can't find it! That camera would need at least a 7400 x zoom lens or a 370 metre lens on a 35 mm camera.

The very best a Nikon P900 can do, even with digital zoom is "approximately 4000mm equivalent in 35mm format".



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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2019, 08:36:53 PM »
HERE IT IS ^



Where did you get the 140 miles out to sea from figure from?

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« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2019, 08:43:25 PM »
lol, it is so funny to watch the roundies run around yelling, "It is not true, because round Earth theory tells us!"
Nobody said "It is not true, because round Earth theory tells us" they said it's not true simply because it's too far away:
I included that the "camera would need at least a 7400 x zoom lens or a 370 metre lens on a 35 mm camera."

In addition I should have added:
That will not work over that sort of distance. On that point jroa is right
Well, at least we agree that the atmoplane is not transparent.
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Lots of things are just too far away to see.  The atmoplane is not perfectly transparent.  You can not see an infinite distance through air.

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« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2019, 09:32:32 PM »
look at Africa from New York with this !
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https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldatlas.com%2Fupload%2F41%2F36%2Fbe%2Fgrantelescopio.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldatlas.com%2Farticles%2Fthe-biggest-telescopes-in-the-world.html&docid=rlm7pepedqKIAM&tbnid=M0CV5Nmv7lmQUM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjv1fnb9LfgAhXMjFkKHUnGCQIQMwg-KAAwAA..i&w=3888&h=2592&bih=462&biw=1086&q=biggest%20stargazing%20telescope%20in%20the%20world&ved=0ahUKEwjv1fnb9LfgAhXMjFkKHUnGCQIQMwg-KAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8
You might find that difficult for a number of reasons. Here are two:

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2019, 09:58:04 PM »
look,,, i'll rent that telescope for a week and set it up near the statue of liberty on a 27 degree angle --- we'll put a camera in it because if people have to wait in line for 11 days to look through the telescope , you'll have to pay the extra rental time
Everything, is in EMBRYO, not in mathematics. 
Please look at the 1/4 moon when it's around at noon ; We cannot see anything between it and the sun.

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Re: The Sun??
« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2019, 10:18:19 PM »
look,,, i'll rent that telescope for a week and set it up near the statue of liberty on a 27 degree angle --- we'll put a camera in it because if people have to wait in line for 11 days to look through the telescope , you'll have to pay the extra rental time

I'm confused (and impressed). You're going to rent this telescope:



Have it shipped from Spain to Battery Park, Manhattan. And have people pay a nominal fee to get a glimpse of Africa from south of Wall St?

Like I said. Impressed. Let us know when it's up and running. I'll fly out for the ribbon cutting.