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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #90 on: December 14, 2016, 01:24:52 PM »
Well obviously any army, any secret service, has non-public expenditures. Now if a government wants more money for whatever, they can choose:

-Try to uphold an insane conspiracy for a relatively small amount of money (NASA doesn't get that much)
-Just invent another secret expenditure for defense (let's call it Area 666, claim you're studying something secret and everyone is OK with it). That's so much easier. No need for crazy conspiracies. And it falls into nothingness compared to other expenditures.

Who's dumb now?
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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #91 on: December 14, 2016, 02:11:22 PM »
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So, when did they switch from mistaken belief to a conspiracy?
This is an exceedingly difficult question to answer. I generally try to avoid conspiracy topics in general, because it seems specious to me, but I will attempt to answer your question because it has been some time since I've posted on the matter.

I think the first trace of "the conspiracy" in general shows up in the 1100's. This is as far back as one can trace the Machiavellian writhings of the House of Guelph-Este. This is not exactly the question I believe you are asking, however. I believe you are asking when the conspiracy expanded to hide the shape of the earth began. This was somewhat later.

The global conspiracy traces to Nuremberg the 14th and 15th centuries and the ascendency of the BGMG under the House of Guelph. In the 15th century cartography was entering an exciting new time. New lands were being found. Previously uncharted islands, indeed even continents, were being added to world maps. The BGMG found a splendid way to find massive amounts of Royal funding (commissions). If you convince burgeoning world powers that their maps are completely inadequate and only a globe can accurately depict the earth, one is in for a lot of commissioned work. Add to that the fact globes became a status symbol in vogue among the wealthy of the period and you have an enormous cash cow.
But this ignores (or only scrapes) the actual depth of the plan. The goal of the BGMG was not map-making or wealth from it. The simple goal was power. To gain influence at court led to all sorts of potential for abuse of such power. This was an age where the court was the center of power; "scientists" vied to have their ideas heard. The difference between living in obscurity and becoming a household name was a "discovery" away.
Further, it was the Age of Discovery, where untold wealth might be a ship's journey away for a kingdom -- indeed this was the genesis of European imperialism. Map makers invented islands and continents to attain funding for expeditions. The closer you find yourselves to the strings of power, the more opportunity for corruption.

Great story. A couple of thoughts...

Given that it was generally believed that the earth was a globe in the 15th century then the contemporary maps would have assumed a globe earth. So surely it would a have been those with evidence of a flat earth and the 'new' maps to go with it who would've been making the big bucks?

Similarly, if, as you argue, making a "discovery" was the key to fame and fortune then I'd have thought discovering the earth was in fact flat would be as big as they come?

Both these points lead me to the question - when was it realised that the idea of a globe earth was a mistake? And by whom?

(Side note: it's helpful to give abbreviated terms in full the first time you use them. The BGMG? Bishop Grandin Marching Ghosts? BGMG Cosmetics?)


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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #92 on: December 14, 2016, 03:38:55 PM »
Well obviously any army, any secret service, has non-public expenditures. Now if a government wants more money for whatever, they can choose:

-Try to uphold an insane conspiracy for a relatively small amount of money (NASA doesn't get that much)
-Just invent another secret expenditure for defense (let's call it Area 666, claim you're studying something secret and everyone is OK with it). That's so much easier. No need for crazy conspiracies. And it falls into nothingness compared to other expenditures.

Who's dumb now?

You are. Lol You don't think things through. Just because you say people would be ok with secret spending doesnt make it true. And reality reflects that... With a planned conspiracy if there is a need for more money, all the government needs to do is announce a new mission. Boom. Enormous cash inflow and any questions about why so much money is needed can be answred with bogus tech costs and research funds. As opposed to... Oh we need so much money for... Ummm.. Stuff...  Secret stuff...We cant tell you... We cant show you... But its for your own good... Trust us...

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #93 on: December 14, 2016, 03:45:48 PM »
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So, when did they switch from mistaken belief to a conspiracy?
This is an exceedingly difficult question to answer. I generally try to avoid conspiracy topics in general, because it seems specious to me, but I will attempt to answer your question because it has been some time since I've posted on the matter.

I think the first trace of "the conspiracy" in general shows up in the 1100's. This is as far back as one can trace the Machiavellian writhings of the House of Guelph-Este. This is not exactly the question I believe you are asking, however. I believe you are asking when the conspiracy expanded to hide the shape of the earth began. This was somewhat later.

The global conspiracy traces to Nuremberg the 14th and 15th centuries and the ascendency of the BGMG under the House of Guelph. In the 15th century cartography was entering an exciting new time. New lands were being found. Previously uncharted islands, indeed even continents, were being added to world maps. The BGMG found a splendid way to find massive amounts of Royal funding (commissions). If you convince burgeoning world powers that their maps are completely inadequate and only a globe can accurately depict the earth, one is in for a lot of commissioned work. Add to that the fact globes became a status symbol in vogue among the wealthy of the period and you have an enormous cash cow.
But this ignores (or only scrapes) the actual depth of the plan. The goal of the BGMG was not map-making or wealth from it. The simple goal was power. To gain influence at court led to all sorts of potential for abuse of such power. This was an age where the court was the center of power; "scientists" vied to have their ideas heard. The difference between living in obscurity and becoming a household name was a "discovery" away.
Further, it was the Age of Discovery, where untold wealth might be a ship's journey away for a kingdom -- indeed this was the genesis of European imperialism. Map makers invented islands and continents to attain funding for expeditions. The closer you find yourselves to the strings of power, the more opportunity for corruption.

Great story. A couple of thoughts...

Given that it was generally believed that the earth was a globe in the 15th century then the contemporary maps would have assumed a globe earth. So surely it would a have been those with evidence of a flat earth and the 'new' maps to go with it who would've been making the big bucks?

Similarly, if, as you argue, making a "discovery" was the key to fame and fortune then I'd have thought discovering the earth was in fact flat would be as big as they come?

Both these points lead me to the question - when was it realised that the idea of a globe earth was a mistake? And by whom?

(Side note: it's helpful to give abbreviated terms in full the first time you use them. The BGMG? Bishop Grandin Marching Ghosts? BGMG Cosmetics?)

In response to your reiteration of the OP and little else contributed, I will say... History is written by the victors.

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #94 on: December 14, 2016, 06:00:09 PM »
In response to your reiteration of the OP and little else contributed, I will say... History is written by the victors.
Yes, you "will say... History is written by the victors", with no evidence that it means anything.

So, forget the past, look at what we have now!

Where is your massive evidence? I went through all your posts and could only find attempts pull down and ridicule the Globe, but no actual evidence for a flat earth.

And I could find no attempts to even answer the few elementary observations I asked about. Now, sceptimatic gave a long winded mish-mash on meaningless explanation that could be demolished in a couple of minutes, but from you, zilch.

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #95 on: December 14, 2016, 07:06:09 PM »
I thought they got funding so they could discover land that would become the property of the funder.  They didn't even care about maps in the beginning.
Also it was rather hard to make an accurate depiction of the earth because they had to draw a round object on a flat map, as i understand it. 
Or was it?

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How does presenting a new theory give one power? 
Entrenching a new paradigm always results in power for one party or another.



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It was a bit more tricky than that.
This was an age of court astrologers and all manner of wonders. Illuminists undermining the power of the Church were part of the fabric of the time.

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Euhm, the link doesn't work. 
In any system you'll always have people that get corrupted

Apologies. The link was working a little over a month ago.
http://web.archive.org/web/20150905054132/http://www.bl.uk/learning/artimages/maphist/deception/fictitioushome/fictitious.html
The conspiracy is simply corruption writ large.
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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #96 on: December 14, 2016, 07:11:56 PM »
Rab, I believe it's because he's not here to argue FET. Otherwise he'd be defending it with facts, evidence, etc. All the while pointing the finger at everyone else. I read through his posts as well and see nothing but troublemaking. In fact, eerily similar to someone else we all know and love..
Arealterribletroll would be more fitting.

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #97 on: December 15, 2016, 12:30:50 AM »
Well obviously any army, any secret service, has non-public expenditures. Now if a government wants more money for whatever, they can choose:

-Try to uphold an insane conspiracy for a relatively small amount of money (NASA doesn't get that much)
-Just invent another secret expenditure for defense (let's call it Area 666, claim you're studying something secret and everyone is OK with it). That's so much easier. No need for crazy conspiracies. And it falls into nothingness compared to other expenditures.

Who's dumb now?

You are. Lol You don't think things through. Just because you say people would be ok with secret spending doesnt make it true. And reality reflects that... With a planned conspiracy if there is a need for more money, all the government needs to do is announce a new mission. Boom. Enormous cash inflow and any questions about why so much money is needed can be answred with bogus tech costs and research funds. As opposed to... Oh we need so much money for... Ummm.. Stuff...  Secret stuff...We cant tell you... We cant show you... But its for your own good... Trust us...
So how do you think they get money for some secret new army device?

Also, please try to not act condescending, it's making you look really silly.
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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #98 on: December 15, 2016, 04:27:25 AM »
Rab, I believe it's because he's not here to argue FET. Otherwise he'd be defending it with facts, evidence, etc. All the while pointing the finger at everyone else. I read through his posts as well and see nothing but troublemaking. In fact, eerily similar to someone else we all know and love..
Arealterribletroll would be more fitting.
FET, facts, evidence ? Is there any way to put these words into one sentence without causing
"                     A startling paradox.
Frederic.
                            A paradox?
Ruth. (laughing)
                            A paradox,
                A most ingenious paradox!
         We’ve quips and quibbles heard in flocks,
             But none to beat this paradox!"

Apologies again to W.S. Gilbert in Pirates of Penzance.

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #99 on: December 15, 2016, 07:07:43 AM »
This thread has become about me  ;D why isn't the OP complaining now? Lol Whatever, ill shepherd the thread for the wolf boy. In regards to the topic, I cant believe the counter arguing users are asking for "evidence" of a conspiracy including the entire earth,.. Where do you suggest I get hard evidence which is indisputable? Any specific links? Lol I believe thats why they made forums, so we can discuss things without throwing useless webpages around.

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #100 on: December 15, 2016, 10:50:37 AM »
why isn't the OP complaining now?
May i point out that i have a real life and that i'm not in here 24/7?

But to do as you asked:

This thread has become about me 
This isn't really on-topic now is it, if you'd just let it slide we could all keep talking about the on-topic stuff.

Rab, I believe it's because he's not here to argue FET. Otherwise he'd be defending it with facts, evidence, etc. All the while pointing the finger at everyone else. I read through his posts as well and see nothing but troublemaking. In fact, eerily similar to someone else we all know and love..
Arealterribletroll would be more fitting.
FET, facts, evidence ? Is there any way to put these words into one sentence without causing
"                     A startling paradox.
Frederic.
                            A paradox?
Ruth. (laughing)
                            A paradox,
                A most ingenious paradox!
         We’ve quips and quibbles heard in flocks,
             But none to beat this paradox!"

Apologies again to W.S. Gilbert in Pirates of Penzance.

That's a task I dare not tackle
Seems rather on-topic to me, keep going.

So now i can get back to the ontopic stuff:
In regards to the topic, I cant believe the counter arguing users are asking for "evidence" of a conspiracy including the entire earth,.. Where do you suggest I get hard evidence which is indisputable? Any specific links? Lol I believe thats why they made forums, so we can discuss things without throwing useless webpages around.
Eumh, as i recall it you guys discard any photo-evidence because of the government conspiracy.  This means that you guys should be giving the evidence, proof.

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #101 on: December 20, 2016, 04:56:11 PM »
This is supposedly a conspiracy - involving virtually all the world's governments (certainly all of the industrialized countries) - to keep the flatness of the planet a secret.  And the conspiracy MUST go back at least to the time of Christopher Columbus, if not long before him, including countries, governments, dynasties, etc., that no longer exist.  In all that time, even with wars and economic calamities, not a single govt ever squealed.  The Watergate Conspiracy involved only about two dozen men and within six months about half were tattling on the other half, but centuries roll by and nobody blabs about the flatness of the earth.

And when we ask about this, the usual explanation is that somehow MONEY IS INVOLVED.  Who would pay off so many people - and why?  The story is that NASA was set up (in 1958) to be a big boondoggle, maintain the fraud of the round earth, and let NASA people steal taxpayer money.  Why set up a govt agency just so thousands of people could steal?  I don't think there is enough money to go around that way.  And look who's supposed to be paid to maintain the fraud - Scientists, people whose careers were intended to reveal truths not promote lies.  Surely not all those scientists are crooked!  And certainly a lot of scientists who support the Round Earth are not showing signs of being well paid!!  Somehow this same thing is supposed to be going on in threadbare countries that definitely cannot afford to pay for non-necessary things. 

If the earth were flat, that would suggest undiscovered lands - where The Edge is located - as well as possible resources over The Edge and down the Side.  A lot of countries, and a lot of big investors, would gladly explore such territory ... if it existed.  Nobody is even trying.

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #102 on: December 20, 2016, 05:35:07 PM »
This is supposedly a conspiracy - involving virtually all the world's governments (certainly all of the industrialized countries) - to keep the flatness of the planet a secret. 
Why do you assume it is governments? I mean, to be sure, some people involved would be in the government,  but you're suggesting something needlessly comprehensive.

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And the conspiracy MUST go back at least to the time of Christopher Columbus, if not long before him,
Why?

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the usual explanation is that somehow MONEY IS INVOLVED. 
While NASA is obviously an ATM for unscrupulous parties, I don't believe money is the primary purpose of a wide-ranging conspiracy regarding the shape of the earth.

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If the earth were flat, that would suggest undiscovered lands - ...
Nobody is even trying.
The rim country is invested with permanent and temporary camps from which governments are doing whatever pleases them there. Have you not read of Byrd's expedition, for example?
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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #103 on: December 21, 2016, 12:25:57 PM »
This is supposedly a conspiracy - involving virtually all the world's governments (certainly all of the industrialized countries) - to keep the flatness of the planet a secret. 
Why do you assume it is governments? I mean, to be sure, some people involved would be in the government,  but you're suggesting something needlessly comprehensive.

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And the conspiracy MUST go back at least to the time of Christopher Columbus, if not long before him,
Why?

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the usual explanation is that somehow MONEY IS INVOLVED. 
While NASA is obviously an ATM for unscrupulous parties, I don't believe money is the primary purpose of a wide-ranging conspiracy regarding the shape of the earth.

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If the earth were flat, that would suggest undiscovered lands - ...
Nobody is even trying.
The rim country is invested with permanent and temporary camps from which governments are doing whatever pleases them there. Have you not read of Byrd's expedition, for example?
Could it be possible he's not telling the truth? Or, if he was able to make it there, why couldn't anyone else?

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #104 on: December 21, 2016, 01:24:52 PM »
Why do you assume it is governments? I mean, to be sure, some people involved would be in the government,  but you're suggesting something needlessly comprehensive.
Let me take a wild guess here.  If i'm not mistaken conning people is still illegal in (as far as i know) all countries.  Telling people that the earth is round when it's actually (supposedly) flat is (from my point of view) conning people.  Especially if you make money whilst doing this.  Yet the government doesn't seem to accuse anyone of conning anyone.  Therefor either the government in total must be conned or the government is in on it.  (Everything supposedly of course).

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And the conspiracy MUST go back at least to the time of Christopher Columbus, if not long before him,
Why?
Let me see, because science back then already knew that the earth was round.  They even knew the diameter of the earth (they were of by a few hundred kilometers, but considering they calculated this Before Christ that was pretty damn accurate).

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the usual explanation is that somehow MONEY IS INVOLVED. 
While NASA is obviously an ATM for unscrupulous parties, I don't believe money is the primary purpose of a wide-ranging conspiracy regarding the shape of the earth.
If not money what then?
Power?  If so I'll need some more explanation on that, i don't see how one gains power from fooling people about the shape of the earth.

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If the earth were flat, that would suggest undiscovered lands - ...
Nobody is even trying.
The rim country is invested with permanent and temporary camps from which governments are doing whatever pleases them there. Have you not read of Byrd's expedition, for example?
I do note the lack of ships leaving antarctica with loads of resources.  You know with greenpeace and the sea shepherds  actively patrolling the waters around antarctica you'd expect someone to notice at least one ship right?

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #105 on: December 21, 2016, 06:37:36 PM »
I think you're making a large number of assumptions,  gg. I will attempt a more detailed reply later.
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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #106 on: December 21, 2016, 08:06:34 PM »
If not money what then?
Power?  If so I'll need some more explanation on that, i don't see how one gains power from fooling people about the shape of the earth.

Really? You need an explanation about how making someone believe a fantasy you created gives the creator power? I see you were smart enough to change your picture from a wolf to whatever it is now. Good idea, the parallels were strong indeed.

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #107 on: December 22, 2016, 02:23:23 AM »
Really? You need an explanation about how making someone believe a fantasy you created gives the creator power? I see you were smart enough to change your picture from a wolf to whatever it is now. Good idea, the parallels were strong indeed.
Something wrong with that?  As i recall you needed an explanation about the difference between volume and concentration. (Also between gravity and gravitational force but that's a tad more complex)

So, no explanation?

I can put the picture of the wolf back up if you prefer that over a photo taken from the ISS of the aurora on earth.  (Just kidding i won't change my profile pic because someone doesn't like it)

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #108 on: December 29, 2016, 08:20:23 AM »
Ionspen first denies that denial of FE is a conspiracy by governments and then supposes that governments have been using The Edge for prison camps.

If there is a conspiracy to conceal the flatness of the Earth, it must go back to before Christopher Columbus because the roundness of the earth was widely accepted among educated people well before Columbus.

If money is being spread around by NASA or some other source to silence talk of a flat planet .... how come nobody on this website has been approached with a nice big bribe?  Seems to me that whoever is running the Round Earth fraud would have made each of us an offer long ago.

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #109 on: December 29, 2016, 09:45:48 AM »
Why would they care about a few posts on the internet? Theyre already spending that bribe money you think we should be getting on lunchboxes with globes on it and movies about space. Who in their right mind would believe a flat earther in the internet when all the obviously rich and successful people are endorsing a globe?

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #110 on: December 29, 2016, 12:39:26 PM »
Ionspen first denies that denial of FE is a conspiracy by governments and then supposes that governments have been using The Edge for prison camps.

If there is a conspiracy to conceal the flatness of the Earth, it must go back to before Christopher Columbus because the roundness of the earth was widely accepted among educated people well before Columbus.

If money is being spread around by NASA or some other source to silence talk of a flat planet .... how come nobody on this website has been approached with a nice big bribe?  Seems to me that whoever is running the Round Earth fraud would have made each of us an offer long ago.
I think you may have to look at what I said again. I'm not a FE'r, I'm not denying anything. Nor do I believe there are government camps along a fictional ice wall.

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #111 on: December 29, 2016, 12:45:27 PM »
Ionspen first denies that denial of FE is a conspiracy by governments and then supposes that governments have been using The Edge for prison camps.

If there is a conspiracy to conceal the flatness of the Earth, it must go back to before Christopher Columbus because the roundness of the earth was widely accepted among educated people well before Columbus.

If money is being spread around by NASA or some other source to silence talk of a flat planet .... how come nobody on this website has been approached with a nice big bribe?  Seems to me that whoever is running the Round Earth fraud would have made each of us an offer long ago.
I think you may have to look at what I said again. I'm not a FE'r, I'm not denying anything. Nor do I believe there are government camps along a fictional ice wall.

You are denying that you are an FE'r.  Do you ever think before you hit the post button? 

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #112 on: December 29, 2016, 02:08:23 PM »
Ionspen first denies that denial of FE is a conspiracy by governments and then supposes that governments have been using The Edge for prison camps.

If there is a conspiracy to conceal the flatness of the Earth, it must go back to before Christopher Columbus because the roundness of the earth was widely accepted among educated people well before Columbus.

If money is being spread around by NASA or some other source to silence talk of a flat planet .... how come nobody on this website has been approached with a nice big bribe?  Seems to me that whoever is running the Round Earth fraud would have made each of us an offer long ago.
I think you may have to look at what I said again. I'm not a FE'r, I'm not denying anything. Nor do I believe there are government camps along a fictional ice wall.

You are denying that you are an FE'r.  Do you ever think before you hit the post button?
Yes, as a matter of fact  I do. I think to myself "I wonder how Jora will reply to this?"

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #113 on: December 29, 2016, 02:12:44 PM »
Ionspen first denies that denial of FE is a conspiracy by governments and then supposes that governments have been using The Edge for prison camps.

If there is a conspiracy to conceal the flatness of the Earth, it must go back to before Christopher Columbus because the roundness of the earth was widely accepted among educated people well before Columbus.

If money is being spread around by NASA or some other source to silence talk of a flat planet .... how come nobody on this website has been approached with a nice big bribe?  Seems to me that whoever is running the Round Earth fraud would have made each of us an offer long ago.
I think you may have to look at what I said again. I'm not a FE'r, I'm not denying anything. Nor do I believe there are government camps along a fictional ice wall.

You are denying that you are an FE'r.  Do you ever think before you hit the post button?
Yes, as a matter of fact  I do. I think to myself "I wonder how Jora will reply to this?"

Before I post I always ask myself, "what would jroa post?"
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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #114 on: December 29, 2016, 04:05:02 PM »
jroa would post the shit, if you know what I mean. 

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #115 on: December 29, 2016, 04:16:19 PM »
“Heaven is being governed by Devil nowadays..” - Wise

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #116 on: December 29, 2016, 04:22:38 PM »
Exact. 

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #117 on: December 29, 2016, 07:34:46 PM »
jroa would post the shit, if you know what I mean.
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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #118 on: December 30, 2016, 02:30:01 PM »
Ionspen first denies that denial of FE is a conspiracy by governments and then supposes that governments have been using The Edge for prison camps.

If there is a conspiracy to conceal the flatness of the Earth, it must go back to before Christopher Columbus because the roundness of the earth was widely accepted among educated people well before Columbus.

If money is being spread around by NASA or some other source to silence talk of a flat planet .... how come nobody on this website has been approached with a nice big bribe?  Seems to me that whoever is running the Round Earth fraud would have made each of us an offer long ago.
I think you may have to look at what I said again. I'm not a FE'r, I'm not denying anything. Nor do I believe there are government camps along a fictional ice wall.

You are denying that you are an FE'r.  Do you ever think before you hit the post button?
Yes, as a matter of fact  I do. I think to myself "I wonder how Jora will reply to this?"

Before I post I always ask myself, "what would jroa post?"

WWJP.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

Scripture, facts, science, stats, and logic is how I argue.

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Re: government conspiracy
« Reply #119 on: December 30, 2016, 03:00:03 PM »
The subject of this topic is of course "government conspiracy", so has anyone what the "official Society" position is on "The Conspiracy"?

Quote from: the Wiki
Place of the Conspiracy in FET

The existence of 'The Conspiracy' is a consequence of the FET. Virtually no one begins with 'The Conspiracy' and develops a belief in the Flat Earth Theory. Flat Earthers starts with the knowledge that the earth is flat, as they believe that all the evidence which they are personally able to collect and verify confirms this fact. As a consequence all the evidence to the contrary, much of which they are unable to personally test/verify is viewed as being false. The existence of such a huge quantity of false information indicates the existence of the conspiracy.

Essentially the reasoning boils down to -
P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth
P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET
C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET is fabricated evidence

P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it
P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)
C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.

Look at
"    P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
     P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth"

Any "personally unverifiable evidence" that "contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated" followed by
        "The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth"!

One simply comment, it is absolutely impossible for any one person or even a small group of (not very dedicated) investigators to determine the shape of the earth, the motion of the sun, moon planets and the stars and all other aspects of the earth.

Nevertheless "The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth", Wow, now we know!