Questions

So, I have just recently discovered this website, and found it very interesting how people have come up with explanations for why the Earth may be flat. However, I have several questions that contradict this theory entirely. 

- What about time zones?
- If the Earth's water is held up by the ice at the edges, the earth accelerating at 9.8 m/s would cause all that water to fling towards the edges due to centrifugal force, and then the water would overflow over the ice or the ice would crack due to the strain, right?
- What about Volcanos, where does that super heated molten rock come from if the earth is flat?
- How about earthquakes, since they are caused by techtonic plates colliding how do these plates move? Are earthquakes actually something else?
- And if there is no gravity, then how does the moon orbit the Earth? What force keeps the moon from simply flying away?
- And how come you cant see the edges from an airplane yet instead a horizon that seems to bend ever so slightly? If the earth were flat, from a plane flying tens of thousands of feet in the air wouldn't you be able to see the edges of the Earth from that high up?
- Also, I have seen many live streams on youtube of live footage from the international space station, where you can clearly see the earth is round and the footage shows the station going around it. What about that?
- And how come other planets and orbital bodies are round but Earth isn't?

I think it is really cool the way you guys come up with reasons for why the Earth is flat, but there are some gaps that need to be filled and I wanted to address them here. 

Note: just giving their BS explanations for the ones I can.

- What about time zones?
Time zones are explained by having the sun act as a spotlight.
They do all sorts of weird nonsense to pretend it works, so their spotlight isn't always a circle and the light bends.

- If the Earth's water is held up by the ice at the edges, the earth accelerating at 9.8 m/s would cause all that water to fling towards the edges due to centrifugal force, and then the water would overflow over the ice or the ice would crack due to the strain, right?
No. Earth isn't spinning. So there is no force forcing the water to the outside except hydrostatics. However they will likely say that force isn't large enough to cause it to break.

- And if there is no gravity, then how does the moon orbit the Earth? What force keeps the moon from simply flying away?
It doesn't it goes in a circle above Earth, typically because it is spinning around the axis like everything else in space (yet as if by magic Earth isn't), and accelerating with Earth.

- And how come you cant see the edges from an airplane yet instead a horizon that seems to bend ever so slightly? If the earth were flat, from a plane flying tens of thousands of feet in the air wouldn't you be able to see the edges of the Earth from that high up?
Nope. They claim you can only see a certain distance before it becomes too difficult to see. They use magic perspective, where the closer things are to your eye level (note: parallel to the Earth's surface, not depending on where you are looking) the earlier they dissapear.

- Also, I have seen many live streams on youtube of live footage from the international space station, where you can clearly see the earth is round and the footage shows the station going around it. What about that?
Fake.

- And how come other planets and orbital bodies are round but Earth isn't?
Earth is round, a disk, just like what we see of other planets. (They won't believe those with decent enough telescopes to tell they are actually roughly spherical instead of a disc).

When the sun is directly over your head, it is noon.  When the sun is directly over the head of someone on the other side of the Earth, it is midnight.  I am not sure what confuses you people about this simple concept. 

When the sun is directly over your head, it is noon.  When the sun is directly over the head of someone on the other side of the Earth, it is midnight.  I am not sure what confuses you people about this simple concept.

Yet in Antarctica at the moment, it is daytime for 24 hours at almost all the research stations, yet the sun goes all the way to the opposite side of the Flat Earth from all these stations during the day! Such a simple concept, yet it cannot explain diddly squat!

Quote from: jroa on November 21, 2016, 06:09:28 AM

When the sun is directly over your head, it is noon.  When the sun is directly over the head of someone on the other side of the Earth, it is midnight.  I am not sure what confuses you people about this simple concept.

Yet in Antarctica at the moment, it is daytime for 24 hours at almost all the research stations, yet the sun goes all the way to the opposite side of the Flat Earth from all these stations during the day! Such a simple concept, yet it cannot explain diddly squat!

I doubt it.  You have around zero credibility around here, so forgive us when we don't believe you when you make outlandish claims with out backing them up. 

.. and FE has zero credibility in the Southern Hemisphere! Apart from about 400000 people who have visited Antarctica in the last 10 years, and dozens of live webcams, and pictures from Japan's Himawari Satellite sent every 2.5 minutes, extrapolating the daylight hours from known cities in the Southern Hemisphere at different latitudes to predict Antarctica's sunlight hours, observations from people who have taken the direct flight from Perth to Johannesburg which shows the brightness to the south at night, all the fishing trawler crew that fish in the deep south at this time of year including the Greenpeace boats that follow the whalers, no there is no proof of 24 hour Antarctic sunlight. What really gets me is that FE'ers seem to just have blinkers on and one track minds! I actually don't believe there are any true FE'ers out there who have done proper due diligence and not conceded defeat. The ones that are left are just perennial conspiracy theorists or people who just love to debate whether or not they have the topic they want or the ones in it for the money (from YouTube or books).
Which one are you jroa? My guess is the debater. You know the earth is a sphere, but you have to defend Flatness! What a shame. It is so much easier to defend the real thing!
I did leave out the FE'ers who are just too stupid to think past, Where is da curve? They are not worth mentioning.

I have never seen the curve, I think that is a valid standpoint to not believe in it. I recently have become a 9/11 truth activist after realizing that what the government has said to have occurred is impossible. That brings me to question other facts they say are true, when in reality they may be carefully created lies. I was not a flat earther when i joined this forum, but I am shocked that I may be becoming one.

I have never seen the curve, I think that is a valid standpoint to not believe in it. I recently have become a 9/11 truth activist after realizing that what the government has said to have occurred is impossible. That brings me to question other facts they say are true, when in reality they may be carefully created lies. I was not a flat earther when i joined this forum, but I am shocked that I may be becoming one.

But you do realise that over 99.9% of people have never seen the curvature directly because you cannot see it even from 40000 feet up! The horizon in all directions at that height is the same distance away so it has to be level to meet up after 360 degrees. The only curvature is the curvature from below you to the horizon and that cannot be seen as it is too slight to notice on a sphere the size of the earth. However, why there is a horizon can only be explained truthfully by spherical earth, on a flat earth the horizon would always fade into a fuzzy atmospheric blur, yet at times it is as clear as a solid line. Perspective, bullshit!

Yes, we realize that the people who come on this forum claiming they've seen the curvature from an airplane are lying.

- And how come you cant see the edges from an airplane yet instead a horizon that seems to bend ever so slightly? If the earth were flat, from a plane flying tens of thousands of feet in the air wouldn't you be able to see the edges of the Earth from that high up?

that's a very good question : round or not, we would see the edges soon or later. The fact we don't see edges means there is ice far beyond antarctica faaar away.

- Also, I have seen many live streams on youtube of live footage from the international space station, where you can clearly see the earth is round and the footage shows the station going around it. What about that?

NASA uses big pools with replicas of the ISS to train astronauts on space walks. I suppose they use it as well to create movies of supposed space-walks

- And how come other planets and orbital bodies are round but Earth isn't?

are they round or do you see them that way? seeing a sphere with two eyes is nothing more than a circle. so it has to be proved that these planets, if they exist, are round.

When the sun is directly over your head, it is noon.  When the sun is directly over the head of someone on the other side of the Earth, it is midnight.  I am not sure what confuses you people about this simple concept.

jroa,

Where I live the sun is never directly overhead. Does this mean that it is never noon here?

How do I determine where the other side of the Earth is, so that I can determine when it is midnight where I am?

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- And how come you cant see the edges from an airplane yet instead a horizon that seems to bend ever so slightly? If the earth were flat, from a plane flying tens of thousands of feet in the air wouldn't you be able to see the edges of the Earth from that high up?

that's a very good question : round or not, we would see the edges soon or later. The fact we don't see edges means there is ice far beyond antarctica faaar away.

Yes, we would see the edges, when you get very high, which people have. And it isn't the antarctic ice wall. Instead it looks like seeing the edges of a ball, and they are not always the same.
If it was flat, you should be able to see the entirety of Earth, even from a somewhat modest height, by the use of a telescope, but no one has.

The only way you can conclude that there is ice(or land) far beyond Antarctica, is if you actually see it.
As no one has provided a picture (not a drawing) of Earth, showing the flat Earth all the way to the ice wall and beyond, you cannot honestly conclude that.

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- And how come other planets and orbital bodies are round but Earth isn't?

are they round or do you see them that way? seeing a sphere with two eyes is nothing more than a circle. so it has to be proved that these planets, if they exist, are round.

That is if you just saw it once, or just from the same direction.
By seeing it from multiple directions (i.e. as it rotates) you can see multiple views of it, all being circles (or as an oval with an insiginificant eccentricity). The only object which is a circle from all views is a sphere. This is what indicates it is a sphere. So you can't tell the moon is a sphere, but you can tell other bodies are, at least if you have a decent telescope so you can see surface features.

Quote from: jroa on November 21, 2016, 06:09:28 AM

When the sun is directly over your head, it is noon.  When the sun is directly over the head of someone on the other side of the Earth, it is midnight.  I am not sure what confuses you people about this simple concept.

jroa,

Where I live the sun is never directly overhead. Does this mean that it is never noon here?

How do I determine where the other side of the Earth is, so that I can determine when it is midnight where I am?

Do you live in Antarctica? 

Do you live in Antarctica?

You are aware that only people living within the tropics get the sun directly overhead, even in your shitty FE models.

Quote from: jroa on November 21, 2016, 02:05:12 PM

Do you live in Antarctica?

You are aware that only people living within the tropics get the sun directly overhead, even in your shitty FE models.

You do realize that common conversation is often not intended to be taken literally, right? 

Quote from: JackBlack on November 21, 2016, 02:34:56 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 21, 2016, 02:05:12 PM

Do you live in Antarctica?

You are aware that only people living within the tropics get the sun directly overhead, even in your shitty FE models.

You do realize that common conversation is often not intended to be taken literally, right?

With FEs, it is hard to tell if they are just making a joke or are stupid enough to believe nonsense like your post implied.

Admittedly, that applies to lots of others as well.

Quote from: Arthur on November 21, 2016, 12:53:37 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 21, 2016, 06:09:28 AM

When the sun is directly over your head, it is noon.  When the sun is directly over the head of someone on the other side of the Earth, it is midnight.  I am not sure what confuses you people about this simple concept.

jroa,

Where I live the sun is never directly overhead. Does this mean that it is never noon here?

How do I determine where the other side of the Earth is, so that I can determine when it is midnight where I am?

Do you live in Antarctica?

jroa,
No I don't live in Antarctica.
If I lived in London England then today I would have seen that the sun only reached a maximum angle of elevation of less than 20 degrees. This is far from directly overhead. Any flat earther in the UK would be able to confirm for themselves that this is true also for wherever in the UK they are located.
If I lived in Harstad Norway then I would have seen that the sun only reached less than 2 degrees, and in a little over a week it wont get above the horizon at all until next year.

So how do you determine when it is noon, if it is not as you described above?

But more importantly how do you determine where the other side of the Earth is?

The Englanders always have to f**k it up for the rest of us.

After reviewing most of the one line material - the only doubt that has not been properly addressed by FE's is the day length differential in the high latitudes as opposed to the tropics on the same longitude..
Admiral Bird and Operation High Jump, the planes crashing, and their leaving only after one week and his assertion that we could we in for WWIII and the subsequent high altitude nuclear tests are the real clincher if we can explain said day length difference..

are they round or do you see them that way? seeing a sphere with two eyes is nothing more than a circle. so it has to be proved that these planets, if they exist, are round.

Because photos have been taken of other planets from multiple angles. And how do you explain Saturn's rings?

After reviewing most of the one line material - the only doubt that has not been properly addressed by FE's is the day length differential in the high latitudes as opposed to the tropics on the same longitude..
Admiral Bird and Operation High Jump, the planes crashing, and their leaving only after one week and his assertion that we could we in for WWIII and the subsequent high altitude nuclear tests are the real clincher if we can explain said day length difference..

No. Several issues remain unaddressed. Some of which are interrelated.
For example, the day length differential also exists in the time zones, which also exists in the orbit of various objects above Earth.
They are yet to explain the horizon and why we can't see all of Earth from a height.
They are yet to address the ISS (dismissing it as fake is hardly addressing it)
They are yet to address why other objects are round but Earth isn't.

They have only superficially addressed timezones in a nonsensical way with the sun acting as a spotlight which makes no sense and isn't supported by reality at all.
The question about water and centrifugal force is pure nonsense.
The question about volcanoes remains unanswered, but has little bearing on the shape.
And the same applies to Earthquakes.

So no, still lots of doubts.

When the sun is directly over your head, it is noon.  When the sun is directly over the head of someone on the other side of the Earth, it is midnight.  I am not sure what confuses you people about this simple concept.

the fact that to get to the other person, the sun doesn't go AWAY, it goes DOWN BELOW the horizon absolutely discredits your point

I have never seen the curve, I think that is a valid standpoint to not believe in it. I recently have become a 9/11 truth activist after realizing that what the government has said to have occurred is impossible. That brings me to question other facts they say are true, when in reality they may be carefully created lies. I was not a flat earther when i joined this forum, but I am shocked that I may be becoming one.

the ONLY way you can become a flat earther is by ignoring absolute evidence, there's tons of evidence discrediting the official 9/11 story we've been fed.. but there's absolutely ZERO evidence supporting the flat earth
there IS however, irrefutable evidence disproving a lot of the flat earth 'proofs' and also irrefutable evidence proving our shape, you either don't read those threads or you purposely ignore the evidence

Yes, we realize that the people who come on this forum claiming they've seen the curvature from an airplane are lying.

agree 100%

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- And how come other planets and orbital bodies are round but Earth isn't?

are they round or do you see them that way? seeing a sphere with two eyes is nothing more than a circle. so it has to be proved that these planets, if they exist, are round.

yes, look at the craters on the moon for instance, they distort towards the edges, showing they're clearly spherical and not discs.. most flat earthers agree other planets are in fact spheres



as for the horizon, if the earth is flat, we wouldn't see a sharp horizon, it would dissappear due to visibility..
if any FE'r disputes that, ask them why they can't see the Eiffel Tower from LA


it's useless trying to convince FE's, they're black belts in cognitive dissonance

the fact that to get to the other person, the sun doesn't go AWAY, it goes DOWN BELOW the horizon absolutely discredits your point

have you studied basic perspective modelling? it's the same principle that cuts the botoom half first of a ship/whatever at the horizon : DIVERGING lines of perspective after CONVERGING  ones

That series of pictures and diagram clearly show a surface with a bend, over which the person is disappearing from the bottom up as they move further away and are blocked from view.

the ONLY way you can become a flat earther is by ignoring absolute evidence, ...

You will never understand.

have you studied basic perspective modelling?

Yes. We have.
Have you?
Perpsective means that objects will take up an angular size that gets smaller as they move away.
Specifically, it is given by the relationship:
tan(angle)=height/distance.

It doesn't magically cut the bottom of objects off.

it's the same principle that cuts the botoom half first of a ship/whatever at the horizon : DIVERGING lines of perspective after CONVERGING  ones

No.
The bottom half is cut off because of the curvature of Earth or because of a hill.
Perpsective doesn't magically cut the bottom off of objects.

You are trying to include the curvature of Earth in perspective so you can pretend perspective explains the curve.

That simply isn't how it works.
The simplest way to show this is to angle the camera down.
If what you say is true, and it is all based upon perspective, the person should entirely re-appear unless they are out of frame.
If what we say is true, they should still be just as cut off.

Yes. We have.

If what we say is true, . . .

Have you been elected leader of them?

Quote from: JackBlack on December 25, 2016, 12:17:50 PM

Yes. We have.

Quote from: JackBlack on December 25, 2016, 12:17:50 PM

If what we say is true, . . .

Have you been elected leader of them?

My dad's favorite dad joke - Who's we? Do you have worms?

Quote from: JackBlack on December 25, 2016, 12:17:50 PM

Yes. We have.

Quote from: JackBlack on December 25, 2016, 12:17:50 PM

If what we say is true, . . .

Have you been elected leader of them?

No. I am using we to describe a group of people like me.

Do you have any rational response to what I have said?

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 25, 2016, 01:23:52 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on December 25, 2016, 12:17:50 PM

Yes. We have.

Quote from: JackBlack on December 25, 2016, 12:17:50 PM

If what we say is true, . . .

Have you been elected leader of them?

My dad's favorite dad joke - Who's we? Do you have worms?

Ugh... Dad jokes... Did you HAVE to post that in here? It feels as if I just ate something really sour...