Kasgarli Mahmut map (11th century) shows the earth is flat

Jackfuck is in already in my ignore list.

No. JackBlack is. Stop your swearing.

And yes, we all know I am in your ignore list because I kept on refuting your garbage.

Jackfuck is in already in my ignore list.

Quote from: Sam Hill on February 03, 2017, 11:14:58 PM

• He was not a poet alone, he was also a well educted and fat-travelling researcher.
• If you believe that "it does not make much sense that it master the map" why do you claim it as evidence that (in your own words, chosen by you for the thread's title) "shows the earth is flat"?  How can it show anything if it does not master the map?
• Why don't you start with the city names as given in the original and see how they are configured in the real world before throwing them all out?  Don't you think that at the very least, the city he chose to place dead center of his map would be correct?

You are a liar man. You, you sir, is a liar, shame on you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_al-Kashgari

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Mehmud Qeshqiri, Мәһмуд Қәшқири) was an 11th-century Uyghur scholar and lexicographer of the Turkic languages from Kashgar.

Al-Kashgari studied the Turkic languages of his time and in Baghdad[1] he composed the first comprehensive dictionary of Turkic languages, the Dīwān Lughāt al-Turk (Arabic: "Compendium of the languages of the Turks") in 1072-74.[2][3][4][5] It was intended for use by the Abbasid Caliphate, the new, Arab allies of the Turks. Mahmud Kashgari's comprehensive dictionary, later edited by the Turkish historian, Ali Amiri,[6] contains specimens of old Turkic poetry in the typical form of quatrains (Persio-Arabic رباعیات rubā'iyāt; Turkish: dörtlük), representing all the principal genres: epic, pastoral, didactic, lyric, and elegiac. His book also included the first known map of the areas inhabited by Turkic peoples. This map is housed at the National Library in Istanbul.[7]

As we see that he  included the map as out of his interest. This is why I claim he found this map from Chinians. The decision has not changed. This is a poet we know very well. And we do not know his any scientific work. You are a shameless liar sir.

Did you even READ the link you posted, and quoted from?  I only ask because it supports my point, which makes it a pretty poor choice for trying to prove ME a liar.

I wonder which of my points you think is a lie. 
Is it number 1, the fact that he was more than a poet?  If so, the part of YOUR rebuttal that YOU put in bold print and underlined (the part calling him a scholar and lexicographer) supports my contention.
Is it number 2, the fact that you brought us this map as proof, but then turned your back on it as not showing anything?  If so, I will ask again: why have you brought us this map, if this map is of no value?
Is it number 3, the fact that the original map actually has labels on the cities?  If so, I still wonder why you have presented this map, when you reject every bit of information included within it?

I am not on the ignore list as of yet.  So maybe he will read this.  Crossed through the only "swear word" Jack said and highlighted Intikam's.  After reading through many of his posts and their's, he is far more prone to insult using "swear words" as many on his list.
Jack's question is valid.  How do you call someone a liar while posting things while making the very parts that support their statements BOLD AND UNDERLINED?  I realise English is not your first language, did you misunderstand?

Quote from: İntikam on February 05, 2017, 11:52:33 PM

Quote from: Sam Hill on February 03, 2017, 11:14:58 PM

Quote from: İntikam on February 02, 2017, 11:56:33 PM

Because after each post I noticed new things. He is actually a poet. So It does not make much sense that it master the map. So in my opinion, he found that map from someone else and in another language like Chinese. Converted it as estimate. But his estimates were wrong about the city names. This can easily be proved. Places it knows on the map. But a few of them are faulty. Map is true as a shape but city names are wrong.

• He was not a poet alone, he was also a well educted and fat-travelling researcher.
• If you believe that "it does not make much sense that it master the map" why do you claim it as evidence that (in your own words, chosen by you for the thread's title) "shows the earth is flat"?  How can it show anything if it does not master the map?
• Why don't you start with the city names as given in the original and see how they are configured in the real world before throwing them all out?  Don't you think that at the very least, the city he chose to place dead center of his map would be correct?

You are a liar man. You, you sir, is a liar, shame on you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_al-Kashgari

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Mehmud Qeshqiri, Мәһмуд Қәшқири) was an 11th-century Uyghur scholar and lexicographer of the Turkic languages from Kashgar.

Al-Kashgari studied the Turkic languages of his time and in Baghdad[1] he composed the first comprehensive dictionary of Turkic languages, the Dīwān Lughāt al-Turk (Arabic: "Compendium of the languages of the Turks") in 1072-74.[2][3][4][5] It was intended for use by the Abbasid Caliphate, the new, Arab allies of the Turks. Mahmud Kashgari's comprehensive dictionary, later edited by the Turkish historian, Ali Amiri,[6] contains specimens of old Turkic poetry in the typical form of quatrains (Persio-Arabic رباعیات rubā'iyāt; Turkish: dörtlük), representing all the principal genres: epic, pastoral, didactic, lyric, and elegiac. His book also included the first known map of the areas inhabited by Turkic peoples. This map is housed at the National Library in Istanbul.[7]

As we see that he  included the map as out of his interest. This is why I claim he found this map from Chinians. The decision has not changed. This is a poet we know very well. And we do not know his any scientific work. You are a shameless liar sir.

Really? Calling him a liar and linking to a source which backs him up?

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was an 11th-century Uyghur scholar and lexicographer of the Turkic languages from Kashgar.

We don't know a single piece of scientific work from you. Why should we trust your bullshit claims about the map at all?

Quote from: İntikam on February 05, 2017, 11:57:12 PM

Quote from: Astronut33 on February 04, 2017, 10:48:16 PM

Quote from: İntikam on January 30, 2017, 04:44:51 AM

He is in my ignore list who is a swearer I don't care.

You are so cute, just shutting out those who disagree with you. Really, you are precious. Can I be on your pitiful list? It would mean so much <3

This is a lie. I ignored them by their swearings that shown in a link in bottom of my sign. All of them are ignored by they are be some son of whores continuesly are swearing me. Maybe sometimes they argue with scientific claimings that I don't care about it. I don't ignore someone by arguments but by other reasons like now how you are doing. Is your this post about matter? No. If you do that again, I'll ignore you as how I do others. This is not an argument, just you are saying lie about me. I'm not the issue, write about issue or fuck off. Isn't clear what I say?

No. You ignored us because you were unable to refute us.
It has nothing to do with swearing, especially not with how often you swear.
They can't all be found in your sig.

You are the one lying. You are lying and slandering everyone on your ignore list.

You are the problem, not everyone you have ignored.

I am not on the ignore list as of yet.  So maybe he will read this.  Crossed through the only "swear word" Jack said and highlighted Intikam's.  After reading through many of his posts and their's, he is far more prone to insult using "swear words" as many on his list.
Jack's question is valid.  How do you call someone a liar while posting things while making the very parts that support their statements BOLD AND UNDERLINED?  I realise English is not your first language, did you misunderstand?

Quote from: JackBlack on February 06, 2017, 12:52:17 AM

Quote from: İntikam on February 05, 2017, 11:52:33 PM

Quote from: Sam Hill on February 03, 2017, 11:14:58 PM

Quote from: İntikam on February 02, 2017, 11:56:33 PM

Because after each post I noticed new things. He is actually a poet. So It does not make much sense that it master the map. So in my opinion, he found that map from someone else and in another language like Chinese. Converted it as estimate. But his estimates were wrong about the city names. This can easily be proved. Places it knows on the map. But a few of them are faulty. Map is true as a shape but city names are wrong.

• He was not a poet alone, he was also a well educted and fat-travelling researcher.
• If you believe that "it does not make much sense that it master the map" why do you claim it as evidence that (in your own words, chosen by you for the thread's title) "shows the earth is flat"?  How can it show anything if it does not master the map?
• Why don't you start with the city names as given in the original and see how they are configured in the real world before throwing them all out?  Don't you think that at the very least, the city he chose to place dead center of his map would be correct?

You are a liar man. You, you sir, is a liar, shame on you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_al-Kashgari

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Mehmud Qeshqiri, Мәһмуд Қәшқири) was an 11th-century Uyghur scholar and lexicographer of the Turkic languages from Kashgar.

Al-Kashgari studied the Turkic languages of his time and in Baghdad[1] he composed the first comprehensive dictionary of Turkic languages, the Dīwān Lughāt al-Turk (Arabic: "Compendium of the languages of the Turks") in 1072-74.[2][3][4][5] It was intended for use by the Abbasid Caliphate, the new, Arab allies of the Turks. Mahmud Kashgari's comprehensive dictionary, later edited by the Turkish historian, Ali Amiri,[6] contains specimens of old Turkic poetry in the typical form of quatrains (Persio-Arabic رباعیات rubā'iyāt; Turkish: dörtlük), representing all the principal genres: epic, pastoral, didactic, lyric, and elegiac. His book also included the first known map of the areas inhabited by Turkic peoples. This map is housed at the National Library in Istanbul.[7]

As we see that he  included the map as out of his interest. This is why I claim he found this map from Chinians. The decision has not changed. This is a poet we know very well. And we do not know his any scientific work. You are a shameless liar sir.

Really? Calling him a liar and linking to a source which backs him up?

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was an 11th-century Uyghur scholar and lexicographer of the Turkic languages from Kashgar.

We don't know a single piece of scientific work from you. Why should we trust your bullshit claims about the map at all?

Quote from: İntikam on February 05, 2017, 11:57:12 PM

Quote from: Astronut33 on February 04, 2017, 10:48:16 PM

Quote from: İntikam on January 30, 2017, 04:44:51 AM

He is in my ignore list who is a swearer I don't care.

You are so cute, just shutting out those who disagree with you. Really, you are precious. Can I be on your pitiful list? It would mean so much <3

This is a lie. I ignored them by their swearings that shown in a link in bottom of my sign. All of them are ignored by they are be some son of whores continuesly are swearing me. Maybe sometimes they argue with scientific claimings that I don't care about it. I don't ignore someone by arguments but by other reasons like now how you are doing. Is your this post about matter? No. If you do that again, I'll ignore you as how I do others. This is not an argument, just you are saying lie about me. I'm not the issue, write about issue or fuck off. Isn't clear what I say?

No. You ignored us because you were unable to refute us.
It has nothing to do with swearing, especially not with how often you swear.
They can't all be found in your sig.

You are the one lying. You are lying and slandering everyone on your ignore list.

You are the problem, not everyone you have ignored.

tsk tsk Mikey.  You will end up on his ignore list.  With the number of posts you have, and not being on his list, you must be in the hall of fame already.

Nah I took a long break from this site, and infrequently visit.  If he was posting much before I left, he must have been even more inconsequential then than now too me.  Also I normally try not to resort to swearing, I fail sometimes, but I try.  I also used to try to be nice to the "entertainment", but one of the entertainers spoiled that long ago. 

Yes I find the Flat Earthers very entertaining.  Much like I find the SJW rioters and KKK idiots very entertaining here in the United States. 

I asked the writing that right up corner a friend know a few Arabis and he corrected that writing as "world map".



I found 3 new places on it:

Iraq, Afghanistan and India. The map started to appereance as follow:



Maybe I'm making some mistakings or maybe I'm not. I am debating this topic for amateur researchers. Please the idiots do not join .

The writings on the four sides say:
Green color is for seas
Red for mountains
Pale light green is for rivers
Yellow is for sand/ deserts

What got my attention in this map was; the curved red line which represents mountains, written behind it "the land of Gog & Magog", and in front of the curve is written "Zul Qarnain Dam".
There is a story in the Holy Qur'an that talks about Gog & Magog being corrupted beings, and Zul Qarnain built a dam, or some kind of barriers to prevent them from attacking nations living in that area!
No one till today know where that dam is built!

What got my attention in this map was; the curved red line which represents mountains, written behind it "the land of Gog & Magog", and in front of the curve is written "Zul Qarnain Dam".
There is a story in the Holy Qur'an that talks about Gog & Magog being corrupted beings, and Zul Qarnain built a dam, or some kind of barriers to prevent them from attacking nations living in that area!
No one till today know where that dam is built!

That's because it is just a story with very little (if anything) to do with reality.

Quote from: İntikam on January 30, 2017, 03:36:38 AM

I asked the writing that right up corner a friend know a few Arabis and he corrected that writing as "world map".



I found 3 new places on it:

Iraq, Afghanistan and India. The map started to appereance as follow:



Maybe I'm making some mistakings or maybe I'm not. I am debating this topic for amateur researchers. Please the idiots do not join .

The writings on the four sides say:
Green color is for seas
Red for mountains
Pale light green is for rivers
Yellow is for sand/ deserts

What got my attention in this map was; the curved red line which represents mountains, written behind it "the land of Gog & Magog", and in front of the curve is written "Zul Qarnain Dam".
There is a story in the Holy Qur'an that talks about Gog & Magog being corrupted beings, and Zul Qarnain built a dam, or some kind of barriers to prevent them from attacking nations living in that area!
No one till today know where that dam is built!

the first thing i see that is wrong is the ratio between water and land,
and than Iraq shall be as big as whole Asia.

Plus, did you really think that 11th century maps are even remotely accurate? America was not even discovered (well, to most) by then.

Oh, but you think the ancient spherical earth idea is up to date and accurate, don't cha? This is what happens when you put your mouth in gear before staring the brain!

Quote from: Kami on January 30, 2017, 05:16:14 AM

Plus, did you really think that 11th century maps are even remotely accurate? America was not even discovered (well, to most) by then.

Oh, but you think the ancient spherical earth idea is up to date and accurate, don't cha? This is what happens when you put your mouth in gear before staring the brain!

This is what happens when you put your mouth in gear before *starting the brain!

Quote from: Kami on January 30, 2017, 05:16:14 AM

Plus, did you really think that 11th century maps are even remotely accurate? America was not even discovered (well, to most) by then.

Oh, but you think the ancient spherical earth idea is up to date and accurate, don't cha? This is what happens when you put your mouth in gear before staring the brain!

Yes, the general idea is up to date, but not quite accurate (depending on exactly what level of accuracy you want). It isn't quite a sphere. It is more a slightly asymmetrical oblate spheroid.
Sure, they didn't know what was covering all of it, but they knew it was basically a sphere (which it is to a decent approximation).

Jackfuck is in already in my ignore list.

im not trying to refute your map here or anything, just out of curiosity. when did the conspiracy to hide the shape of the earth start?

Quote from: Kami on January 30, 2017, 05:16:14 AM

Plus, did you really think that 11th century maps are even remotely accurate? America was not even discovered (well, to most) by then.

Oh, but you think the ancient spherical earth idea is up to date and accurate, don't cha? This is what happens when you put your mouth in gear before staring the brain!

The "ancient spherical earth idea is up to date". Yes, the idea is up to date, but who ever claimed the details of their model were accurate?
If fact, at least in Western astronomy, the earth was considered stationary and the centre if the Universe until after Copernicus' time. Even then it was quite a time before the heliocentric globe was accepted widely.

Not only that, while the distance to the moon was known fairly accurately, but the distances to the (known) planets and the sun took time to determine.

So yes, the basic idea is some 2500 years, but the details have been gradually filled over time.

But Mr physical observer, you do show your ignorance by simply ridiculing what you can't understand.
Still this is what happens when you put your mouth in gear before starting the brain!

By the way, from what I can see there is still no single flat earth model that actually "works".

And this ancient map matters...... why?

This Kasgarli map is obviously being completely misunderstood because of guesswork about the Arabic writing.  I see conflicting notions of what various spots on the map represent.  What I know for sure is that none of those notions look remotely like a proper map of modern workmanship.  I strongly suspect that this was not a map of the world but possibly of a rather small region, as indicated by the very little water shown on the map.  Wikipedia says it is a map of just the area inhabited by Turkic peoples.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_al-Kashgari 

This map is an example that shows that the ancients were not very good at drawing maps. Thank goodness for satellite-enhanced map making.

Well is was in the shape of a circle and had ancient arabic writing on it, so inky there thinks it must be of the flat Earth.  So much like a person motivated by a political ideology, he cherry picks what he want's, usually out of context, fabricates a little, and tries to use it to prove his points, all while someone with half a brain can see its BS.

This map is an example that shows that the ancients were not very good at drawing maps. Thank goodness for satellite-enhanced map making.

you only have to see the ratio of watersurface to landsurface on that map to see that this map can not show the real world.

i think threy drew simply only what was importend at that time, they did not travel the seas therefor why should they draw lots of water.
its simply a map that you know how to read it, if you can you can navigate with it, if not you are screwed.
and as i am writing that, maybe that was also a feature of the map. keeping the information of the map only to certain people. For other people the map is useless.

therefor, we do not know how to read the map and because of that the map is useless for us. Even Intikam does not know how to read the map.

Quote from: İntikam on February 06, 2017, 11:30:50 PM

Jackfuck is in already in my ignore list.

im not trying to refute your map here or anything, just out of curiosity. when did the conspiracy to hide the shape of the earth start?

About 1500's. They misjudged about America. Continually going west to explore america is also possible if the earth is flat. Accepting that it is round that was not necessary they disrupted the maps.