Marijuana prohibition nearing an end?

Do you have any statistics on death due to weed?

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 12:26:40 PM

You should read up on sugar to see just how bad it is for you. --> in your alternative medicine book? 

Lets try an easy one.  Smoking nicotine.  Cigarettes are insanely more dangerous,, addictive and bad for you than marijuana.  You up for banning smoking?  Good luck.
--> You didn't mention nicotine. I agree nicotine is at least as bad, probably worse.

Smoking kills people. Drinking kills people. Sugar and overeating kills people. Not getting enough exercise kills people. Marijuana ahh... not so much.
--> That's such a crap argument. 1) Death rate is not all that matter. Other aspects, such as quality of life, burden of disease, health care costs etc matter, too. 2) Just because other things are bad doesn't mean weed can't be bad, too 3) just because other things kill, too, doens't mean deaths due to weed are unimportant.

Why are you so shit at using the forum's 'Quote' feature?

You should read up on sugar to see just how bad it is for you. --> in your alternative medicine book? 

Lets try an easy one.  Smoking nicotine.  Cigarettes are insanely more dangerous,, addictive and bad for you than marijuana.  You up for banning smoking?  Good luck.
--> You didn't mention nicotine. I agree nicotine is at least as bad, probably worse.

Smoking kills people. Drinking kills people. Sugar and overeating kills people. Not getting enough exercise kills people. Marijuana ahh... not so much.
--> That's such a crap argument. 1) Death rate is not all that matter. Other aspects, such as quality of life, burden of disease, health care costs etc matter, too. 2) Just because other things are bad doesn't mean weed can't be bad, too 3) just because other things kill, too, doens't mean deaths due to weed are unimportant.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on January 18, 2021, 12:31:13 PM

Do you have any statistics on death due to weed?

Just because you can't really OD with it doesn't mean it can't kill you long term (or short term, if you suicide due to psychological issues).

Are you smoking weed? What is with your quoting? Did you forget how the quote button works?
--> I already explained it. Shitty posts get badly formated answers.

I'd love you to show me all the weed deaths, and all the quality of life issues it causes as opposed to say, drinking.
--> As I explained, deaths isn't the only issues. And just because there isn't good data (I dodn't know, I didn't check) doesn't disprove anything. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

And weed does... what?  Heavy, long term use will cause some brain disfunction, but ever look to see what drinking does to your brain cells?
--> not sure if you're just kidding at this point. Read up on what weed and smoking in general does to your health.

So should we make beer illegal?  We tried that before, it didn't go well. We are finally learning out lesson with weed too.
--> quote me saying cannabis should be illegal.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on January 18, 2021, 12:31:13 PM

Do you have any statistics on death due to weed?

Just because you can't really OD with it doesn't mean it can't kill you long term (or short term, if you suicide due to psychological issues).

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 12:50:36 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on January 18, 2021, 12:31:13 PM

Do you have any statistics on death due to weed?

Just because you can't really OD with it doesn't mean it can't kill you long term (or short term, if you suicide due to psychological issues).

I believe there's a documentary that definitely proves that marijuana leads to jazz music and raping white women.

Quote from: Jamie on January 18, 2021, 12:32:22 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 12:26:40 PM

You should read up on sugar to see just how bad it is for you. --> in your alternative medicine book? 

Lets try an easy one.  Smoking nicotine.  Cigarettes are insanely more dangerous,, addictive and bad for you than marijuana.  You up for banning smoking?  Good luck.
--> You didn't mention nicotine. I agree nicotine is at least as bad, probably worse.

Smoking kills people. Drinking kills people. Sugar and overeating kills people. Not getting enough exercise kills people. Marijuana ahh... not so much.
--> That's such a crap argument. 1) Death rate is not all that matter. Other aspects, such as quality of life, burden of disease, health care costs etc matter, too. 2) Just because other things are bad doesn't mean weed can't be bad, too 3) just because other things kill, too, doens't mean deaths due to weed are unimportant.

Why are you so shit at using the forum's 'Quote' feature?

Answers that badly researched don't deserve the time i'd need to properly format.

I think we need to just decriminalize it.  Basically say "It's not allowed to sell but if we find you with a "personal" amount (whatever that is) then we basically slap you with rehab requirements or something.  No jail time.  No arrests.  Just "Here, get some help, man."

Quote from: Lorddave on January 18, 2021, 01:20:21 PM

I think we need to just decriminalize it.  Basically say "It's not allowed to sell but if we find you with a "personal" amount (whatever that is) then we basically slap you with rehab requirements or something.  No jail time.  No arrests.  Just "Here, get some help, man."

No, no, no... OKAY maybe Amy Winehouse is not the best example for not going to rehab, but she didn't die from the devil weed.

I don't know why someone should be sent off to rehab for a personal amount of weed, as long as they are an adult.

I've had a joint for 5 years, I wonder if it's still good. lol

These results indicate a longitudinal relationship between reductions in cannabis use and improvements in anxiety, depression, and sleep quality. Clinicians treating patients with co-occurring cannabis use and problems with anxiety, depression, or sleep quality should attend to cannabis use reduction as a component of treatment.

The observed deleterious effect of cannabis use on the prognosis of patients with psychotic disorder may involve the same mechanism as the observed deleterious effect of cannabis use on the prognosis of individuals with high levels of liability to psychosis. Further study of gene–environment interactions is likely to help elucidate the exact role of cannabis in the onset and the persistence of psychotic disorders, but there is an urgent need for human and animal studies examining the biological mechanisms involved.

There is little public awareness of the actual and potential cardiovascular effects of cannabis. Although cannabis remains a rare trigger of myocardial infarction, patients who are known cannabis smokers and who have cardiovascular disease should be warned that it will likely aggravate coronary ischaemia, and may even trigger myocardial infarction.

In this meta-analysis of all available published data, we confirm a positive association between the extent of cannabis use and the risk for psychosis. This association was consistent in all the individual studies included, despite differences in the effect size.

Only 15 published studies have investigated the effects of THC in association with exercise protocols. Of these studies, none showed any improvement in aerobic performance. Exercise induced asthma was shown to be inhibited. In terms of detrimental effects, two studies found that marijuana precipitated angina at a lower work-load (100% of subjects) and strength is probably reduced. Some subjects could not complete an exercise protocol because adverse reactions caused by cannabis. An important finding relevant to drug testing was that aerobic exercise was shown to cause only very small rises (<1ng/mL) in THC concentrations

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These results indicate a longitudinal relationship between reductions in cannabis use and improvements in anxiety, depression, and sleep quality. Clinicians treating patients with co-occurring cannabis use and problems with anxiety, depression, or sleep quality should attend to cannabis use reduction as a component of treatment.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28847455/

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The observed deleterious effect of cannabis use on the prognosis of patients with psychotic disorder may involve the same mechanism as the observed deleterious effect of cannabis use on the prognosis of individuals with high levels of liability to psychosis. Further study of gene–environment interactions is likely to help elucidate the exact role of cannabis in the onset and the persistence of psychotic disorders, but there is an urgent need for human and animal studies examining the biological mechanisms involved.

https://academic.oup.com/schizophreniabulletin/article/31/3/608/1894455?login=true

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There is little public awareness of the actual and potential cardiovascular effects of cannabis. Although cannabis remains a rare trigger of myocardial infarction, patients who are known cannabis smokers and who have cardiovascular disease should be warned that it will likely aggravate coronary ischaemia, and may even trigger myocardial infarction.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167527305001890

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In this meta-analysis of all available published data, we confirm a positive association between the extent of cannabis use and the risk for psychosis. This association was consistent in all the individual studies included, despite differences in the effect size.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4988731/

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Only 15 published studies have investigated the effects of THC in association with exercise protocols. Of these studies, none showed any improvement in aerobic performance. Exercise induced asthma was shown to be inhibited. In terms of detrimental effects, two studies found that marijuana precipitated angina at a lower work-load (100% of subjects) and strength is probably reduced. Some subjects could not complete an exercise protocol because adverse reactions caused by cannabis. An important finding relevant to drug testing was that aerobic exercise was shown to cause only very small rises (<1ng/mL) in THC concentrations

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28392338/

etc. pp.

Huh? Are you having a psychotic attack due to smoking too much weed? Or where did I make any claims about death stats?

3) just because other things kill, too, doens't mean deaths due to weed are unimportant.

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 10:51:11 PM

Huh? Are you having a psychotic attack due to smoking too much weed? Or where did I make any claims about death stats?

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 12:26:40 PM

3) just because other things kill, too, doens't mean deaths due to weed are unimportant.

What is the evidence for "deaths due to weed"?

Quote from: Stash on January 18, 2021, 11:19:12 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 10:51:11 PM

Huh? Are you having a psychotic attack due to smoking too much weed? Or where did I make any claims about death stats?

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 12:26:40 PM

3) just because other things kill, too, doens't mean deaths due to weed are unimportant.

What is the evidence for "deaths due to weed"?

Lung cancer. Driving under influence. Suicide due to weed induced psychosis.

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 11:49:21 PM

Quote from: Stash on January 18, 2021, 11:19:12 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 10:51:11 PM

Huh? Are you having a psychotic attack due to smoking too much weed? Or where did I make any claims about death stats?

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 12:26:40 PM

3) just because other things kill, too, doens't mean deaths due to weed are unimportant.

What is the evidence for "deaths due to weed"?

Lung cancer. Driving under influence. Suicide due to weed induced psychosis.

Right. So smoking just about anything isn't going to be great for your lungs, granted. But what about edibles? That's what lots and lots of people do now. And is there any direct evidence that smoking pot does, in fact, cause lung cancer?

Where is the evidence/stats for deaths due to driving whilst high on pot?

Where's the evidence/stats for suicide due to pot induced psychosis?

You say these things happen but you haven't presented anything that says these things happen other than you just saying these things happen. Where are you getting your information from? Specifically about death associated with cannabis use.

Quote from: Stash on January 19, 2021, 12:26:18 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 11:49:21 PM

Quote from: Stash on January 18, 2021, 11:19:12 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 10:51:11 PM

Huh? Are you having a psychotic attack due to smoking too much weed? Or where did I make any claims about death stats?

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on January 18, 2021, 12:26:40 PM

3) just because other things kill, too, doens't mean deaths due to weed are unimportant.

What is the evidence for "deaths due to weed"?

Lung cancer. Driving under influence. Suicide due to weed induced psychosis.

Right. So smoking just about anything isn't going to be great for your lungs, granted. But what about edibles? That's what lots and lots of people do now. And is there any direct evidence that smoking pot does, in fact, cause lung cancer?

Where is the evidence/stats for deaths due to driving whilst high on pot?

Where's the evidence/stats for suicide due to pot induced psychosis?

You say these things happen but you haven't presented anything that says these things happen other than you just saying these things happen. Where are you getting your information from? Specifically about death associated with cannabis use.

I am sure you can google and use pubmed yourself.
Maybe also try stop smoking weed and turn on your brain. If thats still possible after the amount you have smoked.

I am sure you can google and use pubmed yourself.

I don't think anyone is arguing cannabis is healthy?

That's an overly simplistic view of the world you have.

Marijuana prohibition is coming to an end, even if you can't see it.

It wasn't an attack on 'freedom' it was an attack on the left wing by the right wing, and sadly it worked very well.