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Just a mock poll from this forum on the upcoming election. Please vote responsibly, and keep it private.

Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
4 (25%)
Donald Trump (Republican)
9 (56.3%)
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
1 (6.3%)
Jill Stein (Green)
0 (0%)
Darrell Castle, Laurence Kotlikoff, Evan McMullin, Mike Maturen, Rocky De La Fuente
2 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 16

Voting closed: November 06, 2016, 04:00:18 AM

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United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll

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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #240 on: November 13, 2016, 05:37:59 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on November 13, 2016, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: Jane on November 13, 2016, 04:53:43 PM
the fact women have far more to fear than men on something as simple as walking home.

Not for Caley Reece.

https://www.google.com.au/search?site=&source=hp&ei=dQwpWOOxLoy70ASnzYvADA&q=caley+reece&oq=caley+&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.35i39k1j0i67k1j0j0i10i67k1j0.1875.3100.0.4368.8.7.1.1.1.0.435.2059.2-1j4j1.6.0....0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..2.6.1394.3..0i131k1.zCSRhJ2OUag

Trained with her for years when I was younger, still 90% sure she'd kick my ass, except If I got a good double leg, her BJJ isn't as good as her Muay Thai.

Sorry that was a joke.  ;D ;D

I'm gonna stay right out of this one actually.


Your right though. Its generally a Physically stronger person taking advantage of a physically weaker person. It sucks, Its bullying, Its cowardly,  but only a gender thing because woman are usually physically smaller.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #241 on: November 13, 2016, 05:38:24 PM »
So, ignoring proven stats for stock responses which are themselves refuted by the stats. Plus ignoring the point behind unfair judgements and claiming it's all fine, while complaining when a justified one is made with respect to your experience.
If you've heard the argument before, maybe it's because it has merit, rather than because people are conspiring against you.

Note that only one of us provided evidence.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #242 on: November 13, 2016, 05:42:46 PM »
Quote from: getrealzommb on November 13, 2016, 05:34:35 PM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on November 13, 2016, 05:13:33 PM
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Quote from: Space Cowgirl on November 13, 2016, 04:41:46 PM
I kinda started skimming past his posts after I realized he ain't right in the head.

There's no need for that.

I am not right in the head doesn't mean I should be ignored and ridiculed, GRZ does have some issues and it isn't fair to discriminate against any group of people like that.

Especially just for posting things we may disagree with.

I understand people disagree and get annoyed with one another but we are all just branches of the same tree.

Also I haven't really been following this thread, what are we debating now?

Dude, please.

Gender irreverent.... Why bring it up?

Because we're not allowed to say it the other way  ;) (I think you meant "irrelevant")

Also, despite the fact that I think Trump will be a terrible president, I am not a "liberal".  I don't even want to get into my politically incorrect opinions because I've seen what happens to people who do. If you think you're going to somehow hurt my feelings by mentioning "SJWs" and whatever other wingnut labels you've got, you're out of luck.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #243 on: November 13, 2016, 05:44:52 PM »
Quote from: Jane on November 13, 2016, 05:38:24 PM
So, ignoring proven stats for stock responses which are themselves refuted by the stats. Plus ignoring the point behind unfair judgements and claiming it's all fine, while complaining when a justified one is made with respect to your experience.
If you've heard the argument before, maybe it's because it has merit, rather than because people are conspiring against you.

Note that only one of us provided evidence.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/&refURL=https://www.google.com.au/&referrer=https://www.google.com.au/

http://fortune.com/2016/04/12/myth-gender-wage-gap/

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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #244 on: November 13, 2016, 05:52:57 PM »
Quote from: getrealzommb on November 13, 2016, 05:44:52 PM
Quote from: Jane on November 13, 2016, 05:38:24 PM
So, ignoring proven stats for stock responses which are themselves refuted by the stats. Plus ignoring the point behind unfair judgements and claiming it's all fine, while complaining when a justified one is made with respect to your experience.
If you've heard the argument before, maybe it's because it has merit, rather than because people are conspiring against you.

Note that only one of us provided evidence.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/&refURL=https://www.google.com.au/&referrer=https://www.google.com.au/
Congrats, one person's view on one thing I brought up in my post, which completely ignores the fact that my stats did compare women with men in the same jobs, including the social-type jobs you mentioned, and so a link with the best attempt of a response being a lot of waffling, and then something about times they work that still shouldn't show near-universally less pay unless there's a reason women aren't allowed to work longer.
You do realise that just saying a statistic is debunked doesn't make it true?
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #245 on: November 13, 2016, 05:53:44 PM »
Someone getting their feelings hurt is not oppression...

Once again, there are many countries where there is still oppression. Just like there once was here.

Glad you are feeling long winded today getreal, saving me some typing lol.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #246 on: November 13, 2016, 06:00:16 PM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 13, 2016, 05:53:44 PM
Someone getting their feelings hurt is not oppression...

Once again, there are many countries where there is still oppression. Just like there once was here.

Glad you are feeling long winded today getreal, saving me some typing lol.

Heh, I can only argue for what I believe. I cant bare unwarranted "Entitlement" and being a social outcast because "white male privalige"

Its 2am My warm bed is calling though.

The Wife's warmed it up by having an early one... and I got work at 6am so I wont stay much longer..... Another 12 hour day of graft ahead!

I'm just hoping one day Jane and SC can step back and look at the damage they are causing for people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed, potentially being ignored because they cry wolf. People are sick of it.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #247 on: November 13, 2016, 06:06:40 PM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 13, 2016, 05:53:44 PM
Someone getting their feelings hurt is not oppression...
Someone getting repeatedly targeted in ways specific to their community and getting their 'feelings hurt' most times they interact with anyone, for legitimate and justified reasons, is.
But regardless, you're literally the only person talking about that.

Addendum to last post to getreal: only the first link worked before, but the second is still refuted by the stats I gave, and the third has no bearing on the argument I'm making. This is just silly. Instead of sticking to straw men, look at the arguments that are actually being made. Otherwise, I'm done.
The stats I gave came from an unbiased source, a great sample size, acceptable standard deviation, and compared all kinds of factors, including men and women in the same class of job, over a lot of different jobs. Seriously, just look at table 2, last column on the right. There are the facts for you. And your response seems to be to not even click the link.
Wow. So convincing.

Quote from: getrealzommb on November 13, 2016, 06:00:16 PM
I'm just hoping one day Jane and SC can step back and look at the damage they are causing for people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed, potentially being ignored because they cry wolf. People are sick of it.
And maybe one day you'll look at the damage you're causing to people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed because you feel a little uncomfortable when you have to examine it.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #248 on: November 13, 2016, 06:14:21 PM »
All the calls for violence against Trump and/or his voters are kind of interesting to read too.  I've already seen two CEOs of companies backpeddling and apologizing once they realized they screwed up.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #249 on: November 13, 2016, 06:16:29 PM »
Quote from: Jane on November 13, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 13, 2016, 05:53:44 PM
Someone getting their feelings hurt is not oppression...
Someone getting repeatedly targeted in ways specific to their community and getting their 'feelings hurt' most times they interact with anyone, for legitimate and justified reasons, is.
But regardless, you're literally the only person talking about that.

Addendum to last post to getreal: only the first link worked before, but the second is still refuted by the stats I gave, and the third has no bearing on the argument I'm making. This is just silly. Instead of sticking to straw men, look at the arguments that are actually being made. Otherwise, I'm done.
The stats I gave came from an unbiased source, a great sample size, acceptable standard deviation, and compared all kinds of factors, including men and women in the same class of job, over a lot of different jobs. Seriously, just look at table 2, last column on the right. There are the facts for you. And your response seems to be to not even click the link.
Wow. So convincing.

Quote from: getrealzommb on November 13, 2016, 06:00:16 PM
I'm just hoping one day Jane and SC can step back and look at the damage they are causing for people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed, potentially being ignored because they cry wolf. People are sick of it.
And maybe one day you'll look at the damage you're causing to people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed because you feel a little uncomfortable when you have to examine it.
I'm not uncomfortable to examine it. I am not sexist. I believe in equality. I have just seen over the last few years so many charts and tables manipulated to suit the agenda.

Hey if my wife's wages went up, that eases the pressure on me. GREAT

In real life, many woman I speak to, at least In my social circle do not believe in any unfairness. In fact think they have the advantage.

The company I work for has special Leave early and get paid the day privileges for woman who have children but not the men who have children.... I don't care two hoots. Am I oppressed? NO, Its a perk that means that they catch a break with child care. that means looked after children. Brilliant.

Most men in my social circle by choice do heavy manual, dirty, and risky work to earn a decent wage. Most of the women I know work retail, office and care. Not taking anything away from those jobs. but the men do seem to have it a lil rougher.... do we care... not really

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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #250 on: November 13, 2016, 06:23:34 PM »
It has nothing to do with uncomfortable, it is fed up with the liberal hypocrisy and laziness.

It is ok to demonize and practice racism towards the white conservative male, yet everyone else gets babied and given things to for why??

Get demonized for success, rewarded for failure, and liberals are given any hair brained idea they ask for. We have been quiet for so long, just working and plugging away while giving away our fruits to others. But someone has to do it, and we have always been that someone to have to do it.

However, situations like trump or brexit finally woke up those whom have been quiet with their head down plugging away. Saw a chance to actually maybe get some order back, to win again as a nation. Liberals don't like it now that the evil conservatives have been awoken, they lost their free reign to make any nonsense law or movement they wanted without question.

The main ammo of racist, sexist and all the other phrases used has finally become non effective. So now we have the proverbial liberal temper tantrum right in front of us. Practicing "tolerance" as always lol...as long as we agree.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #251 on: November 13, 2016, 06:38:50 PM »
Before the wage gap discussion get too heated I just want to leave this here:

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

The gist of it is that the gap is overstated but real and it can't be reasonably attributed to sexism. 

Freakonomics is a great podcast.  If you're interested in learning about the wage gap beyond what are basically sound bites on TV this is worth your time.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #252 on: November 13, 2016, 06:49:10 PM »
Quote from: crutonius on November 13, 2016, 06:38:50 PM
Before the wage gap discussion get too heated I just want to leave this here:

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

The gist of it is that the gap is overstated but real and it can't be reasonably attributed to sexism. 

Freakonomics is a great podcast.  If you're interested in learning about the wage gap beyond what are basically sound bites on TV this is worth your time.

Id go as far to agree that the gap is small, if any, and that it can't be reasonably attributed to sexism. I bet there is some companies that play outside the rules in both directions. Regardless It's negligible in the west.

The biggest reason given in the article is attributed to time off for family/children and flexible hours. This is not a sexist thing its just an unfortunate part of parenthood.

When my wife took maternity leave (2 years +, she wanted to make the most of her babies).... my hours went up somewhat to make up income. The sense of responsibility and reliance upon me made me work hard for promotions.  Meanwhile my wife's career was stagnant.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #253 on: November 13, 2016, 07:13:17 PM »
Exactly.....^^^

American women "oppression"





Real oppression...





This isn't hearsay....I have spent too much time in middle Eastern countries. In Iran, want to know what happens to a female not escorted?? Speaking without permission?? Incorrect attire?? How about Saudi Arabia?? ....I can keep listing countries if you would like.

Tell you what, I will give you a hint using the poor oppressed American in the first picture........more than likely buried neck deep in dirt then stoned...

Now quit making excuses...it is an embarrassment to people who are actually going through hell. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #254 on: November 13, 2016, 07:39:35 PM »
Is it offensive to over weight people to say the person in the first picture has had quite enough sandwiches?

Oh well too late, I'm honestly trying to stay out of this xD.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #255 on: November 13, 2016, 08:01:26 PM »
"sudo make me a sandwich" would have been all it took...

*sigh* n00bs.
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« Reply #256 on: November 13, 2016, 08:12:21 PM »
Give me an update . . .

Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?
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« Reply #257 on: November 13, 2016, 08:27:09 PM »
Quote from: boydster on November 13, 2016, 08:01:26 PM
"sudo make me a sandwich" would have been all it took...

*sigh* n00bs.

Nerd  ;D ;D
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« Reply #258 on: November 13, 2016, 08:41:38 PM »
I don't think anything will reach liberals.....but not to fear, I have a solution. Liberals can have California, Washington, Oregon, Colorado and the new England states. Possibly another state or two, we will take the rest.

They can also have the white house, but we get the military. We will surely provide protection at a certain percentage of liberal gdp. Also policing if needed, I am sure within a few years citizens and police will be disarmed. Willing to work a nice sum for weapons confiscated. We will also split the national debt half and half when we split. Not fair, but taking one for the team.

People may move to their preference for a year or so after the change, after that, at least on our side you will require passports. We can trade freely as Canada and the us does (I really don't want to lose California's avocados, wine, and olive oil)...

We can also offer loans at low interest when the liberal side goes bankrupt....however, will require land as collateral, starting with Pennsylvania or Michigan.

The liberal side can have the media, we might keep fox, that is still up in the air. More than likely start some new networks.

Liberals can have most of the entertainment industry... especially the Kardashians and the Bruce Jenner robot. All that is free of charge, though most should already be in California or one of the new England states

Now the liberals will be free to do whatever you want without any resistance from us.....may God help y'all...
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #259 on: November 13, 2016, 09:07:42 PM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 13, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Give me an update . . .

Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?

*Waves hand in air frantically*

ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.

Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #260 on: November 13, 2016, 09:31:39 PM »
Quote from: boydster on November 13, 2016, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 13, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Give me an update . . .

Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?

*Waves hand in air frantically*

ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.

Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?

Ehh.  Not a whole lot.  I think the only option left is to "Darmok and Jalad" BHS and Jane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #261 on: November 13, 2016, 09:35:06 PM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 13, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Give me an update . . .

Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?

Get out of here with that talk, you racist commie
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #262 on: November 13, 2016, 09:51:42 PM »
Quote from: crutonius on November 13, 2016, 09:31:39 PM
Quote from: boydster on November 13, 2016, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 13, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Give me an update . . .

Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?

*Waves hand in air frantically*

ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.

Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?

Ehh.  Not a whole lot.  I think the only option left is to "Darmok and Jalad" BHS and Jane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok

Is it bad I knew what this was without the wiki link? A very good episode.

I remember when I saw that as I kid, I was broken hearted for at least a couple hours over the aliens death for such a noble cause.

Not quite sure Jane and I would fair very well. More than likely the enemy would kill us both, or we would kill each other first lol.

But hey....I am willing to try for reasons of peace
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #263 on: November 13, 2016, 11:52:51 PM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 13, 2016, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: crutonius on November 13, 2016, 09:31:39 PM
Quote from: boydster on November 13, 2016, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 13, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Give me an update . . .

Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?

*Waves hand in air frantically*

ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.

Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?

Ehh.  Not a whole lot.  I think the only option left is to "Darmok and Jalad" BHS and Jane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok

Is it bad I knew what this was without the wiki link? A very good episode.

I remember when I saw that as I kid, I was broken hearted for at least a couple hours over the aliens death for such a noble cause.

Not quite sure Jane and I would fair very well. More than likely the enemy would kill us both, or we would kill each other first lol.

But hey....I am willing to try for reasons of peace

I am so glad someone got that reference.

The healing can become.  We just need Jane to agree and access to a zoo with at least a bobcat or larger.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #264 on: November 14, 2016, 12:53:11 AM »
Quote from: boydster on November 13, 2016, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 13, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Give me an update . . .

Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?

*Waves hand in air frantically*

ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.

Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?


This one?

Quote from: boydster on November 13, 2016, 12:10:48 PM
I'm confident that the reasonable majority of people can unify across party lines and say this kind of stupid display exists outside politics and does humanity a disservice.


Some people will ever accept that their personal opinion is a snowflake in a blizzard.

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« Reply #265 on: November 14, 2016, 01:09:41 AM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 14, 2016, 12:53:11 AM
Quote from: boydster on November 13, 2016, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 13, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Give me an update . . .

Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?

*Waves hand in air frantically*

ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.

Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?


This one?

Quote from: boydster on November 13, 2016, 12:10:48 PM
I'm confident that the reasonable majority of people can unify across party lines and say this kind of stupid display exists outside politics and does humanity a disservice.


Some people will ever accept that their personal opinion is a snowflake in a blizzard.

You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. We're all part of the same compost heap. We're all singing, all dancing crap of the world.
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« Reply #266 on: November 14, 2016, 01:30:41 AM »
A pile of snow gives men something to pee our signature into.
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« Reply #267 on: November 14, 2016, 03:58:21 AM »
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This one?


No, this one

Quote from: boydster on November 13, 2016, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 13, 2016, 01:17:29 PM
Not productive, I agree. Nor is actual attempted communication, so I suppose the main question is, what is productive?

The attempted communication is only ineffective because it starts from a disingenuous place. And I'm not just talking about you, I mean political discussions in general. People pick a team, as if their team captain (read: Hillary, Trump, etc) actually gives a shit about them or their values beyond the tally mark they want on election day, and then demonize and dehumanize the other team as if everyone on the other team is part of one giant hive mind.

So what does result in progress? A little bit of understanding. For the liberal, ask yourself why the fuck are so many people fed up with the government that someone of a liberal persuasion is supposed to believe is out to help everyone, and maybe take a second to chew on that instead of dismissing it a garbage words streaming from a crazy person's mouth. For the conservatives, let's be honest that sometimes the right wing hasn't really been there for the working poor who provide the foundation for all of the white collar people that actually benefit from a lot of the policies put forth by the Republican party in the last 20 years or so. And those working poor aren't mostly lazy, drug-addicted welfare queens who deserve their fate.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing on how to move forward. But arguing about how stupid everyone on the other team is, because the other team is being defined by its worst elements, is dragging us all into the shitter and turning people who would otherwise be friends into arch-enemies. It's fucked up. There's a lot of real, actual hatred out there, and over caricatured versions of reality instead of over actual people with actual beliefs, positions, and opinions. It isn't going to get better if no one makes an effort to walk away from the low-hanging fruit that those caricatures are.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #268 on: November 14, 2016, 05:01:03 AM »
Quote from: boydster on November 14, 2016, 03:58:21 AM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 14, 2016, 12:53:11 AM
This one?


No, this one

Quote from: boydster on November 13, 2016, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 13, 2016, 01:17:29 PM
Not productive, I agree. Nor is actual attempted communication, so I suppose the main question is, what is productive?

The attempted communication is only ineffective because it starts from a disingenuous place. And I'm not just talking about you, I mean political discussions in general. People pick a team, as if their team captain (read: Hillary, Trump, etc) actually gives a shit about them or their values beyond the tally mark they want on election day, and then demonize and dehumanize the other team as if everyone on the other team is part of one giant hive mind.

So what does result in progress? A little bit of understanding. For the liberal, ask yourself why the fuck are so many people fed up with the government that someone of a liberal persuasion is supposed to believe is out to help everyone, and maybe take a second to chew on that instead of dismissing it a garbage words streaming from a crazy person's mouth. For the conservatives, let's be honest that sometimes the right wing hasn't really been there for the working poor who provide the foundation for all of the white collar people that actually benefit from a lot of the policies put forth by the Republican party in the last 20 years or so. And those working poor aren't mostly lazy, drug-addicted welfare queens who deserve their fate.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing on how to move forward. But arguing about how stupid everyone on the other team is, because the other team is being defined by its worst elements, is dragging us all into the shitter and turning people who would otherwise be friends into arch-enemies. It's fucked up. There's a lot of real, actual hatred out there, and over caricatured versions of reality instead of over actual people with actual beliefs, positions, and opinions. It isn't going to get better if no one makes an effort to walk away from the low-hanging fruit that those caricatures are.

Thank you for raising your hand and sending me off to find your post.
Naturally, I picked the wrong post.  ::)

This one makes more sense.

There are some new players on offense and defense, but we're still on the same team.




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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #269 on: November 14, 2016, 05:26:00 AM »
Quick final notes:

I didn't give any manipulated stats, I gave the raw data. No sneaky agenda-ing going on. Even if you want to blame it on external causes rather than sexism, you have to answer the question of why those separate causes seem to apply exclusively to women. So far maternity leave is the best you have, ignoring the fact the US system on maternity leave is pretty terrible, the fact it only applies to a handful of women, the fact men would take paternity leave too, all of which meaning the change should only be minimal, rather than substantial and pretty much universal.

BHS, if you're going to complain when others point out 'hurt feelings' then grow up about your victim complex about how conservative white guys are treated. People pointing out when you, unwittingly or otherwise, perpetuate discrimination and dodgy ideals is not oppression.

And Darmoking isn't going to work, they at least had shared logic without shared language, we seem to have the opposite problem. I'd be talking to the monster encouraging it to overthrow the bourgeoisie instincts that make it want to kill us, BHS would insist it eat equally from both of us, it wouldn't work.
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