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Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
4 (25%)
Donald Trump (Republican)
9 (56.3%)
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
1 (6.3%)
Jill Stein (Green)
0 (0%)
Darrell Castle, Laurence Kotlikoff, Evan McMullin, Mike Maturen, Rocky De La Fuente
2 (12.5%)

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United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll

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« Reply #270 on: November 14, 2016, 06:08:54 AM »
You miss my point about explaining my "hurt" feelings. I only show those examples for explaining the hypocrisy of the average liberal agenda.

My feelings aren't actually hurt, I was taught to just keep going, wipe off all the nonsense. That is one reason I cannot stand "safe places" in college. It was already babysitting enough during my stay (if I didn't have all the hard times I did during school, I would NOT have been even CLOSE to ready for the real world) and that was a decade ago. Now is just ridiculous.... pathetic. How is someone suppose to make it in the real world? That is suppose to be the point of college..

That is my biggest fear, not the economy, money, military or anything. It is the mindset that is being passed at such a young age now. Deep seated complete self sense of entitlement, no accountability, complete and total narcissism. On top of all this..... COMPLETE and TOTAL wusses. If people like this haven't already failed they will unless extremely lucky.

I just want people to be strong within themselves, be people that do...not people that talk with no action. Actually look at what they can do for another instead of what can only be done for them. Expect nothing in return, yet willing to give. Actually hold themselves accountable, fix the issues whenever they arise. Simple fact, the mentality that is spreading like a cancer produces nothing but failures. Media, social media, and the entertainment industry just perpetuates this cancer like radiation.

If the mentality were corrected, all the other issues would be corrected without a debate. All the issues with the economy, government etc is just a bi product of this shit mentality, a mirror of one's self. This is what I pray has hope, but fear the slope may be too steep.

I know conservatives have their flaws and nut jobs, though it seems the social democrats in general embrace all these flaws and continue their growth. So I just see it as every aspect of failure looped into one group, not to mention a group that denies what history says about the mentality. So I would imagine that is why I have such a sharp tongue towards the subject.

I am also side stepping the hate that this mentality brings when allowing blind racism or sexism be an escape code for issues of success to just a general conversation.

Just imagine watching your child do drugs and there is nothing you can do to help them....I have no idea what to do to help this very serious issue. I wish I could not care, but I do.



Oh as for the star trek reference....no I would not try to be equal with the creature if I saw it meant harm. I would attempt to figure it out peacefully, however, if I saw it was attempting to kill me or anyone around me (including you), I would do everything in my power to end it's existence. I want peace and communication, however, if pushed and something is going to harm me or someone else, then it just lost its own rights.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #271 on: November 14, 2016, 06:24:10 AM »
Quote from: Jane on November 14, 2016, 05:26:00 AM

And Darmoking isn't going to work, they at least had shared logic without shared language, we seem to have the opposite problem. I'd be talking to the monster encouraging it to overthrow the bourgeoisie instincts that make it want to kill us, BHS would insist it eat equally from both of us, it wouldn't work.

Well both of you got the Darmok reference.  Based on that I'd say there's more cause for optimism than pessimism.
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« Reply #272 on: November 14, 2016, 06:54:10 AM »
Quote from: crutonius on November 14, 2016, 06:24:10 AM
Quote from: Jane on November 14, 2016, 05:26:00 AM

And Darmoking isn't going to work, they at least had shared logic without shared language, we seem to have the opposite problem. I'd be talking to the monster encouraging it to overthrow the bourgeoisie instincts that make it want to kill us, BHS would insist it eat equally from both of us, it wouldn't work.

Well both of you got the Darmok reference.  Based on that I'd say there's more cause for optimism than pessimism.

With Jane being over 10 years younger than I (and if I remember right, you are around my age I think) I was surprised she got it as well. I had figured she missed the next generation era.

I can agree this to me would be a cause of optimism.
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« Reply #273 on: November 14, 2016, 07:07:20 AM »
Darmok!!

Can I supply the beast? I have a few experimental half kangaroo half drop bear half penguins I could donate.

Sorry I am up way too late,  I am also wondering if I should admit I've never watched an episode of Star Trek, had to google that. maybe I should rent the series.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 
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« Reply #274 on: November 14, 2016, 07:38:18 AM »
Quote from: disputeone on November 14, 2016, 07:07:20 AM
Darmok!!

Can I supply the beast? I have a few experimental half kangaroo half drop bear half penguins I could donate.

Sorry I am up way too late,  I am also wondering if I should admit I've never watched an episode of Star Trek, had to google that. maybe I should rent the series.

An Australian beast?  The point of the challenge isn't to straight up murder both of the participants. 

I'm not sure what to say about watching Star Trek.  TNG(the next generation) has by my reckoning, 1/3 very good episodes, 1/3 okay episodes and 1/3 episodes that are so bad there is no point in watching it.

We're in a golden age of TV right now with some really fantastic shows out there.  The scifi genre hasn't kept up.  The last great scifi series I've seen was Battlestar Galactica.
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« Reply #275 on: November 14, 2016, 08:04:55 AM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 14, 2016, 06:08:54 AM
That is my biggest fear, not the economy, money, military or anything. It is the mindset that is being passed at such a young age now. Deep seated complete self sense of entitlement, no accountability, complete and total narcissism. On top of all this..... COMPLETE and TOTAL wusses. If people like this haven't already failed they will unless extremely lucky.

I just want people to be strong within themselves, be people that do...not people that talk with no action. Actually look at what they can do for another instead of what can only be done for them. Expect nothing in return, yet willing to give. Actually hold themselves accountable, fix the issues whenever they arise. Simple fact, the mentality that is spreading like a cancer produces nothing but failures. Media, social media, and the entertainment industry just perpetuates this cancer like radiation.
Completely wrong. The current way of thinking is to go from "Something's wrong," to "How can we fix it?" Instead of being happy with a given lot, part of what's being taught is the attitude to not just roll over and accept, but to act.
You call out entitlement all the time, but it's only ever minor cases you target, and you don't seem to care about the terrific entitlement that the rich seem to have.

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I am also side stepping the hate that this mentality brings when allowing blind racism or sexism be an escape code for issues of success to just a general conversation.
It's not an escape code. They're genuine issues, that need to be dealt with, and part of what this generation does is pay attention. Pervasive issues are going to be relevant to most conversations. That's the whole point.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 14, 2016, 06:54:10 AM
With Jane being over 10 years younger than I (and if I remember right, you are around my age I think) I was surprised she got it as well. I had figured she missed the next generation era.

I can agree this to me would be a cause of optimism.
Don't have to see something when it was on, to see it. Seen all of classic Doctor Who from Jon Pertwee to McGann, for example, and most of what's available of the first two.
DS9's better than Next Generation though.

Quote from: crutonius on November 14, 2016, 07:38:18 AM
We're in a golden age of TV right now with some really fantastic shows out there.  The scifi genre hasn't kept up.  The last great scifi series I've seen was Battlestar Galactica.
Honourable mention to Person of Interest. There's just less overt sci-fi these days because, after so many iconic series, everything is cliche.
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #276 on: November 14, 2016, 08:18:14 AM »
Quote from: crutonius on November 14, 2016, 07:38:18 AM
Quote from: disputeone on November 14, 2016, 07:07:20 AM
Darmok!!

Can I supply the beast? I have a few experimental half kangaroo half drop bear half penguins I could donate.

Sorry I am up way too late,  I am also wondering if I should admit I've never watched an episode of Star Trek, had to google that. maybe I should rent the series.

An Australian beast?  The point of the challenge isn't to straight up murder both of the participants. 

I'm not sure what to say about watching Star Trek.  TNG(the next generation) has by my reckoning, 1/3 very good episodes, 1/3 okay episodes and 1/3 episodes that are so bad there is no point in watching it.

We're in a golden age of TV right now with some really fantastic shows out there.  The scifi genre hasn't kept up.  The last great scifi series I've seen was Battlestar Galactica.

Listen up, nerds. You need to watch The Expanse.  As a BSG fan, you will love it, IMO.

Also, I ditched satellite after 15yrs of paying for SO MUCH CRAP, and I've discovered all the Star Treks are on every single day and night.
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« Reply #277 on: November 14, 2016, 08:47:12 AM »
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I'm just hoping one day Jane and SC can step back and look at the damage they are causing for people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed, potentially being ignored because they cry wolf. People are sick of it.

So, what exactly do you think I've said in this thread that indicates I ignore genuine oppression in favor of those who cry wolf?  Is it because I pointed out some racist shit going on? Or is it because I don't accept World Net Daily and James O'Keefe as legitimate sources?

Listen, most of what passes for activism on the left annoys the shit out of me. I do not think people are gonna die if they're referred to with the wrong pronoun. I do not think people should be protected from ideas and opinions they don't agree with. There's lots of other shit from the left I disagree with strongly... but this doesn't change my opinion that Trump wasn't the right choice for president. I hope he does okay, because this is still my country. I do not want any harm to come to him, because this is still my country, and like it or not, he is gonna be my president. I hope he chooses wise people to advise him, people who care about the country more than their own power. I hope he doesn't still believe he knows more about ISIS than the generals. I hope he finally understands why it's not a good idea to use nukes just because we have them. I hope he gives up the notion that he should change the laws so he can sue people for libel more easily (toughen up buttercup). I hope he treats this job with the gravitas it deserves.

I HAVE LOTS OF HOPE.
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« Reply #278 on: November 14, 2016, 10:09:42 AM »
Quote from: crutonius on November 14, 2016, 07:38:18 AM
An Australian beast?  The point of the challenge isn't to straight up murder both of the participants. 

I'm not sure what to say about watching Star Trek.  TNG(the next generation) has by my reckoning, 1/3 very good episodes, 1/3 okay episodes and 1/3 episodes that are so bad there is no point in watching it.

We're in a golden age of TV right now with some really fantastic shows out there.  The scifi genre hasn't kept up.  The last great scifi series I've seen was Battlestar Galactica.

Yes, we need a beast we could actually defeat if we tried....Please keep that mutant bastard on whatever leash he is currently on.

As for star trek, I would say dodge any of them that have counselor troi's mother, Barkley and worfs son as a story line. That should protect you for the most part from the third that are crap. I would say Q, but you kind of start to warm up to him.


Jane......That statement is not completely wrong, and you know it, unless you are part of the problem and don't "see" it. I can literally list you close to half of my country as an example. Point out individual cases till I can point no more. When something is perpetuated by the parent, media, social media and entertainment industry...pretty hard to escape. As I said, a cancer being flooded with isotopes.

How are the rich entitled? If they find a legal way to become rich, they ARE entitled to their fruits. Saying they are not is as I have said with you... socialism/communism. Saying anyone is not entitled to their fruits not just the rich.



So you think letting black people blanket white people with the racist card like a vague "mystery" boogieman for all problems is ok? Expect free stuff just because of such? Even though all numbers and charts say it is a cultural issue within their race? They have many problems they need to fix themselves.

However, instead of showing them this, making them take accountability for their own failures, giving them things to fix. They are allowed to blanket white people as their entire element of failure because of "racism"...not only that but expect and get free stuff, all on a lie.

Or what about the exact same issue allowed for women...though not as prominent as the black community, certainly still a "thing"...but their word is sexism and a few other key words.

The liberal agenda allows the magic, blanket boogie man be an escape code for all form of accountability. Some how this is healthy?? I don't get one...I am damned from both sides, male and white lol.

Please explain to me how this doesn't cause more hate and barriers?? One side is being said "go ahead and hate them, blame them, here we will even give you free things" yet the other side is the side sick and tired of being blamed for everything when doing nothing. Sure seems like a toxic fire here!


Wow...look, star trek does bring people together. DS9 has always been my favorite star trek. It is a shame we would kill each other first before getting to small talk like that.  Darmok!!
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« Reply #279 on: November 14, 2016, 11:08:18 AM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 14, 2016, 10:09:42 AM
Jane......That statement is not completely wrong, and you know it, unless you are part of the problem and don't "see" it. I can literally list you close to half of my country as an example. Point out individual cases till I can point no more. When something is perpetuated by the parent, media, social media and entertainment industry...pretty hard to escape. As I said, a cancer being flooded with isotopes.
Have you not heard of confirmation bias? if you have a narrative you prefer, you're always going to be able to find individual cases, or twist other instances until they look like what you want, and it's just silly. We get it, you don't like lefties, leave the paranoia behind and focus on facts. The only real example of what you're talking about is on social media, but you can easily find the opposite too, that's just how social media works: people are vocal and over the top.

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How are the rich entitled? If they find a legal way to become rich, they ARE entitled to their fruits. Saying they are not is as I have said with you... socialism/communism. Saying anyone is not entitled to their fruits not just the rich.
Ok, first, socialism and communism are not synonyms and for crying out loud can you please stop acting like they are?
And aside from the repeatedly debunked notion that wealth=effort or effort=wealth or however you want to put it, the entitlement comes when they have more money than they could ever feasibly spend and then balk at paying a bit more tax on their income, when said money could just be stolen out of their bank account and they wouldn't even notice. The entitlement comes when they go after status symbols and multiple skyscrapers rather than save up for a tiny bit longer and pay a little more tax to ultimately save lives.


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So you think letting black people blanket white people with the racist card like a vague "mystery" boogieman for all problems is ok? Expect free stuff just because of such? Even though all numbers and charts say it is a cultural issue within their race? They have many problems they need to fix themselves.

However, instead of showing them this, making them take accountability for their own failures, giving them things to fix. They are allowed to blanket white people as their entire element of failure because of "racism"...not only that but expect and get free stuff, all on a lie.

Or what about the exact same issue allowed for women...though not as prominent as the black community, certainly still a "thing"...but their word is sexism and a few other key words.

The liberal agenda allows the magic, blanket boogie man be an escape code for all form of accountability. Some how this is healthy?? I don't get one...I am damned from both sides, male and white lol.

Please explain to me how this doesn't cause more hate and barriers?? One side is being said "go ahead and hate them, blame them, here we will even give you free things" yet the other side is the side sick and tired of being blamed for everything when doing nothing. Sure seems like a toxic fire here!
I suggest you look at the raw stats rather than numbers from a biased news source, and think about what they're saying, rather than fitting it into the narrative you want. Facts are facts. What isn't going to help is whining about "How dare you point out the entirely true fact that we have advantages over you!" Insisting people be held accountable for circumstances out of their control is beyond ridiculous. No one is blaming white people or men as a whole, just pointing out such people are naturally privileged in the society we live in, and often unwittingly perpetuate certain ideas. The issue arises when said white men or whatever would rather complain about "But I'm not like that!" than take steps to fix or even acknowledge the problems.
You're not fricking 'damned,' you get called out by a few people but otherwise get completely unaffected. Meanwhile, people are struggling to get jobs, be paid, constantly being stereotyped as dangerous or useless, and, oh yes, getting killed. And you're accusing the left of being wusses?
It's not causing barriers, it's acknowledging the ones that already exist.
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« Reply #280 on: November 14, 2016, 06:07:15 PM »
Quote from: Jane on November 14, 2016, 11:08:18 AM
Ok, first, socialism and communism are not synonyms and for crying out loud can you please stop acting like they are?
And aside from the repeatedly debunked notion that wealth=effort or effort=wealth or however you want to put it, the entitlement comes when they have more money than they could ever feasibly spend and then balk at paying a bit more tax on their income, when said money could just be stolen out of their bank account and they wouldn't even notice. The entitlement comes when they go after status symbols and multiple skyscrapers rather than save up for a tiny bit longer and pay a little more tax to ultimately save lives.

You really have no idea that you support socialism do you??? You spout it all the time yet deny it in the same paragraph you are supporting it.

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I suggest you look at the raw stats Than numbers from a biased news source, and think about what they're saying, rather than fitting it into the narrative you want. Facts are facts. What isn't going to help is whining about "How dare you point out the entirely true fact that we have advantages over you!" Insisting people be held accountable for circumstances out of their control is beyond ridiculous. No one is blaming white people or men as a whole, just pointing out such people are naturally privileged in the society we live in, and often unwittingly perpetuate certain ideas. The issue arises when said white men or whatever would rather complain about "But I'm not like that!" than take steps to fix or even acknowledge the problems.
You're not fricking 'damned,' you get called out by a few people but otherwise get completely unaffected. Meanwhile, people are struggling to get jobs, be paid, constantly being stereotyped as dangerous or useless, and, oh yes, getting killed. And you're accusing the left of being wusses?
It's not causing barriers, it's acknowledging the ones that already exist.

You realize you present your own hypocrisy in this paragraph right? Validating other people's "issues" but rejecting validity of issues of someone like my own issues because it doesn't fit into your narrative or "cause"....again, I don't think you see it. Or maybe you do, who knows.

Plus...I have never seen a white person struggle with unemployment.... definitely because of race or gender... ::)

Just another fun proof of my point of the liberal perspective of passing accountability to all but ones self. Well unless you are white and a conservative lol....

Oh in your attempt to mirror on to me these issues. I have stated before i am just using these examples to show the hypocrisy. At the end of the day, I, and all others with my views don't care what is against us, just push against it and figure out a way to win. No excuses....

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 14, 2016, 10:09:42 AM
Jane......That statement is not completely wrong, and you know it, unless you are part of the problem and don't "see" it. I can literally list you close to half of my country as an example. Point out individual cases till I can point no more. When something is perpetuated by the parent, media, social media and entertainment industry...pretty hard to escape. As I said, a cancer being flooded with isotopes.

All you have to say to this is Nuh uh??? Interesting
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« Reply #281 on: November 14, 2016, 06:21:17 PM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 14, 2016, 06:07:15 PM
Quote from: Jane on November 14, 2016, 11:08:18 AM
Ok, first, socialism and communism are not synonyms and for crying out loud can you please stop acting like they are?
And aside from the repeatedly debunked notion that wealth=effort or effort=wealth or however you want to put it, the entitlement comes when they have more money than they could ever feasibly spend and then balk at paying a bit more tax on their income, when said money could just be stolen out of their bank account and they wouldn't even notice. The entitlement comes when they go after status symbols and multiple skyscrapers rather than save up for a tiny bit longer and pay a little more tax to ultimately save lives.

You really have no idea that you support socialism do you??? You spout it all the time yet deny it in the same paragraph you are supporting it.

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I suggest you look at the raw stats Than numbers from a biased news source, and think about what they're saying, rather than fitting it into the narrative you want. Facts are facts. What isn't going to help is whining about "How dare you point out the entirely true fact that we have advantages over you!" Insisting people be held accountable for circumstances out of their control is beyond ridiculous. No one is blaming white people or men as a whole, just pointing out such people are naturally privileged in the society we live in, and often unwittingly perpetuate certain ideas. The issue arises when said white men or whatever would rather complain about "But I'm not like that!" than take steps to fix or even acknowledge the problems.
You're not fricking 'damned,' you get called out by a few people but otherwise get completely unaffected. Meanwhile, people are struggling to get jobs, be paid, constantly being stereotyped as dangerous or useless, and, oh yes, getting killed. And you're accusing the left of being wusses?
It's not causing barriers, it's acknowledging the ones that already exist.

You realize you present your own hypocrisy in this paragraph right? Validating other people's "issues" but rejecting validity of issues of someone like my own issues because it doesn't fit into your narrative or "cause"....again, I don't think you see it. Or maybe you do, who knows.

Plus...I have never seen a white person struggle with unemployment.... definitely because of race or gender... ::)

Just another fun proof of my point of the liberal perspective of passing accountability to all but ones self. Well unless you are white and a conservative lol....

Oh in your attempt to mirror on to me these issues. I have stated before i am just using these examples to show the hypocrisy. At the end of the day, I, and all others with my views don't care what is against us, just push against it and figure out a way to win. No excuses....

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Jane......That statement is not completely wrong, and you know it, unless you are part of the problem and don't "see" it. I can literally list you close to half of my country as an example. Point out individual cases till I can point no more. When something is perpetuated by the parent, media, social media and entertainment industry...pretty hard to escape. As I said, a cancer being flooded with isotopes.

All you have to say to this is Nuh uh??? Interesting

I have no trouble watching you two. It's kind of entertaining really. But you do realize you're never going to convince each other, right? You could agree to disagree and save yourselves the effort having this big long "discussion." Anyway, like I said it is entertaining so it's fine with me if you carry on.

As you were. ;D
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« Reply #282 on: November 14, 2016, 06:29:53 PM »
Quote from: Boots on November 14, 2016, 06:21:17 PM
I have no trouble watching you two. It's kind of entertaining really. But you do realize you're never going to convince each other, right? You could agree to disagree and save yourselves the effort having this big long "discussion." Anyway, like I said it is entertaining so it's fine with me if you carry on.

As you were. ;D

I know I know....you speak the truth..

I could have done such more productive things with my spare time over arguing here. I have a hard time just leaving it alone though. I care about people though, and when you see someone practicing a damaging mind set, I can't help but to fight for that person.

But yes...I am sure it is in vain...and an absolute waste of time. Though...maybe at least a few people are amused lol
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« Reply #283 on: November 14, 2016, 06:34:04 PM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 14, 2016, 06:07:15 PM
You really have no idea that you support socialism do you??? You spout it all the time yet deny it in the same paragraph you are supporting it.
What are you talking about? Yep, I'm a socialist, never denies that, but socialism is a tremendously huge umbrella term, and you're equating every little thing under it with communism for no logical reason.

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You realize you present your own hypocrisy in this paragraph right? Validating other people's "issues" but rejecting validity of issues of someone like my own issues because it doesn't fit into your narrative or "cause"....again, I don't think you see it. Or maybe you do, who knows.

Plus...I have never seen a white person struggle with unemployment.... definitely because of race or gender... ::)

Just another fun proof of my point of the liberal perspective of passing accountability to all but ones self. Well unless you are white and a conservative lol....

Oh in your attempt to mirror on to me these issues. I have stated before i am just using these examples to show the hypocrisy. At the end of the day, I, and all others with my views don't care what is against us, just push against it and figure out a way to win. No excuses....
Straw man. I support the issues with actual evidence behind them: evidence which I have given. So far all your justification comes from anecdotes. At no point have I said white people don't struggle with employment, but that doesn't prevent it being easier for them to get a job. There's literally no logic to most of what you said there, it doesn't come close to addressing, well, anything. One cause does not equal only cause.
This whole mentality of accountability is great, when applicable, but it is not always applicable, and it's that simple. Denying issues doesn't prevent them from mattering. Indeed, this whole system of pretending there's no problem is what makes your goal a pipe dream. Not everyone has equal chances. Deciding "Oh, person who has it much worse than me, soldier on, I believe in you!" is in any way useful is just insulting. All that whole idea does is reinforce and encourage those who are already disadvantaged.

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Quote from: Babyhighspeed on November 14, 2016, 10:09:42 AM
Jane......That statement is not completely wrong, and you know it, unless you are part of the problem and don't "see" it. I can literally list you close to half of my country as an example. Point out individual cases till I can point no more. When something is perpetuated by the parent, media, social media and entertainment industry...pretty hard to escape. As I said, a cancer being flooded with isotopes.

All you have to say to this is Nuh uh??? Interesting
Well given that all you said was a more verbose 'uh-huh!' what else am I meant to say?
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Quote from: Crouton on December 02, 2022, 08:48:03 AM
We all know deep in our hearts that Jane is the last face we'll see before we're choked to death!
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #284 on: November 14, 2016, 06:37:52 PM »
If you both want to end it you're going to have to decide who gets the last word. Would you like me to flip a coin for you? lol
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Re: United States Presidential Election 2016 Public Mock Poll
« Reply #285 on: November 14, 2016, 07:00:58 PM »
Quote from: Boots on November 14, 2016, 06:37:52 PM
If you both want to end it you're going to have to decide who gets the last word. Would you like me to flip a coin for you? lol
Conversations like this usually die out naturally. There's been a lot less substance to the last few posts than some of the earlier ones.


More general point, anyway, as it feels like it's relevant:
When I say I'm a socialist, technically that's not accurate. One of the most important issues with politics is to recognise both what's accessible and doable. My ideal system (for a brief overview) removes government interference, focuses on people earning standing when they can, does have a benefit system reliant on charity from those better off, limits taxes solely to what people choose to give away, etc. The problem is that such a system would fall apart or be horrifically be abused if it was suddenly introduced. It needs people who are used to cooperation, and who recognise that not doing so sabotages everyone. Plus, it falls down in the face if the prejudice that objectively exists these days.
For it to work, people would need to learn to work together, those with more money than they could ever realistically spend would lose their entitlement and happily give away... And honestly, I'll admit I don't know how the system would work with respect to international relations. It'd only work if it was adopted globally, doing away with nation lines. Details of that would just lead to one long side-discussion, so let's stick to the above facts.
It's a grand, lofty ideal, and it'll likely never be reached, and certainly not be realised in my lifetime.
The most important lesson I think anyone can learn about politics is that there's rarely going to be a right answer. Social issues aren't maths problems. (Sort of amusing to me that you've accused me of optimism, when I'd describe a lot of my political views as anything but: they're based on the notion that we're not going to reach the ideal).
My political ideals are based on how we can best approach the ideal within the framework we have already, because it's not something that can be done away with overnight. If people can't be trusted to do the right thing, then the right thing should be enforced: that's what laws are. Certainly a balance needs to be struck with respect to freedom, but the point stands. The policies I stand by come under the umbrella of socialism, but if I had a chance to remake the world from a blank slate, it wouldn't be socialist, of any variety. Are there flaws? Yes, there are just less flaws than the alternative. A few rich people missing out on a skyscraper or getting annoyed because a less talented person is thriving is, to my mind, not as problematic as people dying because they can't get a job.

I might've mixed up what thread which discussion's going in, but I'm tired, so don't judge me.
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Quote from: Crouton on December 02, 2022, 08:48:03 AM
We all know deep in our hearts that Jane is the last face we'll see before we're choked to death!
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